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| spotz | hey - 30 minutes I think until meeting | 15:26 |
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| spotz | oops have an hour:) | 15:59 |
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| SWDevAngel | Hi | 16:02 |
| spotz | hey | 16:05 |
| spotz | aprice: Ok just put in a speaker support request for the conflicts to try to move the results away from Chasing Grace cause otherwise the session will be empty | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | i will have to miss the meeting, i have a conflicting appointment | 16:39 |
| spotz | cmurphy: Thanks for the heads up, see you Sunday morning at OUI once I get there | 16:40 |
| spotz | #startmeeting diversity-wg | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 22 17:00:15 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 17:00 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 17:00 |
| spotz | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 17:00 | |
| spotz | SWDevAngel: ping | 17:00 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, lol is the the only one on the ping list? | 17:00 |
| SWDevAngel | Hi | 17:00 |
| SWDevAngel | Ha! Don't worry Kendall - I got pinged too! ;) (I was timezone challenged and logged in an hour ago!) | 17:01 |
| spotz | I had the same timezone issue as I'm used to this running right after UC:) | 17:02 |
| spotz | We should make an official ping list though:) | 17:02 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 17:02 |
| SWDevAngel | Yes, I'd vote for that. (Sorry... but that's how hectic it is these days... I ALWAYS appreciate the ping! ;) | 17:02 |
| spotz | Ans I just added a ping list spot to the top of that:) | 17:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Just set your calendar block to be in UTC and it scales correctly :) | 17:03 |
| SWDevAngel | Ahhhhhh, nice pro-tip! | 17:03 |
| spotz | I have that which is why I rely on my calendar. My work one also has one column for my time zone and one for Luxembourg:) | 17:03 |
| diablo_rojo | SWDevAngel, especially now that google has support for UTC (previously I set everything to Rekjavik) | 17:03 |
| spotz | #topic Summit | 17:04 |
| SWDevAngel | Yeah - iCal won't let me do it on the Mac... but I can do it from the phone. go figure... | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 17:04 | |
| diablo_rojo | Another reason added to the list to be anti-apple ;) | 17:04 |
| spotz | Currently working with Jimmy to move the Survey Results session as it's currently up against the Chasing Grace screening which it can't compete against | 17:05 |
| spotz | It would be an empty room and I'd have to ditch the UC session to man it | 17:06 |
| SWDevAngel | Agreed. Let's not try and compete with Chasing Grace! That would kind defeat the purpose. ;) | 17:07 |
| SWDevAngel | What day is that? (Please say Tues or Wed) | 17:07 |
| spotz | Yeah, and I keep getting put in to run sessions and don't know about it:( | 17:07 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel: Tuesday right after the Diversity Lunch I believe, I'll double check | 17:08 |
| SWDevAngel | Great! | 17:08 |
| SWDevAngel | I'm checking too... | 17:08 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, therein lies the problem with being involved with so many things | 17:08 |
| spotz | 1:40-2:20 for Chasing Grace | 17:08 |
| SWDevAngel | @diablo_rojo and with being SO POPULAR (@spotz) | 17:09 |
| fungi | i very much appreciated the ml post with the list of diversity-relevant sessions. thanks spotz! | 17:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes that was wonderful | 17:09 |
| spotz | fungi: Yeah need to send a correction for the survey results and add Chasing Grace once Jimmy and I get that finalized:) | 17:09 |
| fungi | as diablo_rojo, i will attempt to be present for as many as possible, but ETOOMANYHATS | 17:10 |
| fungi | my hat recursion has reached the interpreter's stack limit | 17:10 |
| spotz | Ok Survey results are 2:30-3:10 on Wednesday now:) | 17:11 |
| spotz | Ok so updated email will go out after this meeting. | 17:11 |
| spotz | diablo_rojo: Can you give updated counts for Speed Mentoring on Monday? | 17:11 |
| * diablo_rojo looks | 17:12 | |
| spotz | I asked Nicole if Intel had any idea of available lunches just in case that will allow us to have some walk-ins for mentees at least | 17:12 |
| diablo_rojo | 12 total RSVPS: 5 metees and 7 mentors | 17:13 |
| diablo_rojo | (2 of those 7 are you and me spotz ) | 17:13 |
| SWDevAngel | Okay cool for the Survey results. I can be there. (My session is the 3:20 time slot on Wed.) | 17:13 |
| spotz | Ok and I mainly RSVPed to get it to show on my schedule though I always step in and mentor if short handed | 17:14 |
| spotz | so at this point in time it'll be almost one on ones:) Can yo email Nicole and I the mentors when you get a chance? | 17:15 |
| spotz | And then probably again over the weekend as people had signed up over the weekend at Berlin and I didn't know to reach out to them | 17:15 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, sure. I will send that to you later this afternoon | 17:16 |
| spotz | I'm hoping we'll have the pronoun stickers again and that this time due to no customs the'll actually make it there for registration. Also crossing fingers for an alcohol free section at the mixer this time around. | 17:16 |
| fungi | i think someone said the stickers have already arrived in denver and are being held for us | 17:17 |
| spotz | All other evening activities will be with Alcohol, I did not attempt to schedule an alternative event this time around as it would have to be private | 17:17 |
| spotz | fungi: Sweet:) | 17:17 |
| fungi | i *could* be mistaking that for something else though. so much going on | 17:17 |
| spotz | And with only 3 days of Summit it really just seemed kind of tight to get something in | 17:18 |
| fungi | but anyway, they're supposed to be prominently placed at the registration counter | 17:18 |
| spotz | :) | 17:18 |
| spotz | So that's Monday as far as Diversity. Tuesday now is the Diversity Networking Lunch and as mentioned I'll re-email out with the Chasing Grace screeening | 17:19 |
| spotz | There is the sponsored party that night which I'm assuming is also Lauren's fairwell? | 17:20 |
| fungi | that's what i gather | 17:20 |
| spotz | Which is one reason I'm not attempting another outing on Tuesday so we can properly say goodbye to Lauren as a community | 17:20 |
| fungi | wes just confirmed for me that pronoun stickers are supposed to be made available at the reg counter this time, so sounds like that's all set | 17:21 |
| spotz | Wednesday is now the Diversity WG BoF - which is the we need mentoring leaders session, followed by the D&I WG session where I will not say 'guys' and then at 2:30 we will now have the survey results session | 17:22 |
| spotz | So unless I missed something that is all the diversity related/sponsored sessions | 17:23 |
| spotz | Anyone have anything else in regards to this? | 17:24 |
| spotz | #topic Survey Results | 17:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Survey Results (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 17:25 | |
| spotz | I still need to go through the data that was returned from the CHAOSS folks to aprice and myself to put the slides together for next week but a few things to note | 17:25 |
| spotz | 2015 - we had 445 males and 73 females which were the only options. Keeping inmind I think we had 1/5th the responses this time we had 81 males, 34 females, 7 gender nonconforming, 1 gender variant, 1 genderfluid, 1 gender confusion, 1 gender indifferent and 1 genderless so we definitely had more selections there then when it was M/F/Other which I think is important to note | 17:28 |
| spotz | Statistically on the questions where prefer not to say was an option I think we were a bit higher on that response | 17:29 |
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| SWDevAngel | Thanks Amy- I just put ALL of that in my cal! Super helpful! (Also, if you type in "diversity" in the summit schedule most of that pops up now with the corrected new times, so that's cool! :) | 17:30 |
| spotz | Blank responses unfortunately skew some things in my opinion but I'll check with Matt and see what he thinks we should do with those | 17:31 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel: Yeah I was searching on diversity to find the stuff or my name, but that's how I missed the Chasing Grace conflict until I had a UC conflict | 17:31 |
| SWDevAngel | Yeah - lots going on! (Which is cool!) | 17:32 |
| SWDevAngel | I'll sadly miss the Mentoring as I don't arrive until Monday night (late). Definitely want to be there for Lauren's THANK YOU and sendoff! | 17:32 |
| spotz | Survey results don;t stand a chance in the hype and attendance against Chasing Grace | 17:32 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel: Make sure yo RSVP on eventbrite | 17:33 |
| SWDevAngel | To the Diversity lunch? Orr..... | 17:33 |
| spotz | Well if you want in for the diversity lunch RSVP from the OpenStack site or you will not get in. Lauren's sendoff if it's at the night event is RSVP on eventbrite | 17:34 |
| SWDevAngel | Yes, I did that (for the lunch) | 17:34 |
| spotz | As no lunch is provided at summit this year we're stressing people need to RSVP for speed mentoring and diversity lunch as they won't be let in | 17:35 |
| SWDevAngel | And okay - thanks for the heads up. Didn't realize that. I was only aware of that Trillio party Tuesday night. | 17:35 |
| spotz | I think Trillio is one of the sponsors I'd have to go look, mainly signed up for if it was the Lauren fairewell | 17:35 |
| spotz | So please tweet/retweet any pushes for speed mentoring and networking lunch due to RSVPs | 17:36 |
| spotz | Ok anyone want to discuss the very exciting survey results? I will make sure the session slides are available after I make them:) | 17:37 |
| spotz | And I've popped the email off to Matt about dealing with the blanks. | 17:39 |
| fungi | happy to talk about survey results, sure | 17:41 |
| spotz | hehe | 17:41 |
| spotz | Ok will need to go into the written responses but in 2015 51% mentioned barriers to participation which is how we ended up with the Git and Gerrit session from Tokyo to Berlin. in 2019 its up to 62% saying there's barriers to participation. Definitely as a group we will need to go through them. Just need to make sure anyone who needs an NDA to see the raw results has one signed and the results will be distributed | 17:44 |
| spotz | privately or I'll need to go through and make some generalizations | 17:44 |
| fungi | i expect generalizations will be useful regardless, since it's hard to talk about the issues with anyone who doesn't sign an nda otherwise | 17:45 |
| spotz | Geography is mentioned a few times, in regards to timezones, events | 17:46 |
| spotz | Hrm one mention of Gerrit review process:( | 17:46 |
| spotz | Someone doesn't know about devstack:( | 17:47 |
| spotz | Some things seem project specific like developer docs, cliqish, cross project silos. | 17:48 |
| spotz | Not sure how to get started:( | 17:48 |
| fungi | geography is not a huge surprise. objections to the community's established workflows on the other hand seems likely missing the point. it's like saying you aren't contributing to the linux kernel because you can't e-mail patches to a mailing list | 17:48 |
| spotz | hard to get code reviewed/merged if you're not known:( | 17:48 |
| fungi | yes, though that's not really a diversity issue is it? | 17:49 |
| spotz | Unfortunately we don't have the information to tie things together like the cliqish one which also mentions agism | 17:50 |
| fungi | yep, if we can figure out that people aren't reviewing someone's code because they're not friends with the right people or because of their age, then those are things we can try to address | 17:50 |
| fungi | if it's complaints about the learning curve, on the other hand, i personally have a hard time believing that folks of all walks of life aren't equally capable of learning how to perform complex tasks given sufficient training and documentation | 17:51 |
| spotz | Yeah so not really Diversity unless we can tie things together but we're the only ones who ask the questions. We asked in 2015, WoO was extremely active and we ran Git and Gerrit for like 7 summits until this one and always had about 20 people in the room | 17:52 |
| spotz | Well one person complained about the developer docs bein a barrier, but we don't know what project to attempt to help there. | 17:52 |
| spotz | I know some projects are definitely better then others as far as docs | 17:53 |
| fungi | and was it a barrier because the docs were poorly written? if so, probably equally discriminatory to all regardless of who they are | 17:53 |
| spotz | I think lacking, but I'm not afraid to ask questions on channels and the lists. A new person probably is | 17:53 |
| spotz | eww toxic masculinity..... I really want to know what project for that:( | 17:54 |
| spotz | 6 minute warning FYI | 17:54 |
| fungi | i'm more interested in survey results which indicate challenges due to privileging one specific group over others, so "toxic masculinity" definitely counts | 17:55 |
| fungi | whereas "poor documentation" not so much | 17:55 |
| spotz | And some are lime me, doing it on their own time and not enough time in the day which we can't help | 17:55 |
| spotz | lime=like:) | 17:55 |
| fungi | i think we would love to help make getting involved easier for people with little free time, but yes that's a very hard (and known) problem to tackle | 17:56 |
| spotz | But we ask the question very open ended so get non-diversity controllable answers and some which are | 17:56 |
| fungi | totally agree, i think it's more on us to filter out the diversity-relevant feedback from the general project/community feedback | 17:57 |
| spotz | And to encourage people just to respond we don't have enough to tie things together like the toxic masculinity one cause I've never run into it | 17:57 |
| spotz | So I can't say oh I know which project:( We can only hope to ask that person to come forward priveately | 17:57 |
| fungi | i am unfortunately probably too blind to it to feel like i would reliably spot it | 17:58 |
| fungi | but i also don't know what specific qualities are associated with masculinity by the responding individual, nor what amount of those registers as toxic | 17:58 |
| spotz | I can only say I've been lucky enough not to run into it or for it to not be bad enough for me to notice it but just cause I idle on a channel doesn't mean I read all the messages | 17:59 |
| spotz | Correct | 17:59 |
| spotz | Ok one minute | 17:59 |
| spotz | #topic Open Discussion | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 17:59 | |
| spotz | Anyone have anything before we break? | 17:59 |
| SWDevAngel | I'm good! Thanks Amy!!! See you Tues! | 18:00 |
| fungi | thanks spotz!!! | 18:01 |
| spotz | See everyone Sunday/Monday/Tuesday depending on when I run into you:) | 18:01 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Please review the survey at https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/OpenStackDiversity and let spotz and/or aprice know if there's anything that needs updating per http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-06-18-19.00.log.html" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 22 18:01:22 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2019/diversity_wg.2019-04-22-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2019/diversity_wg.2019-04-22-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2019/diversity_wg.2019-04-22-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
| fungi | looking forward to it, as always | 18:02 |
| spotz | See you all soon! | 18:05 |
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