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| spotz | meeting in 7 | 18:53 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 18:59 |
| fungi | ohai | 19:00 |
| spotz | #startmeeting diversity-wg | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 23 19:01:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 19:01 |
| spotz | #topic roll call | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 19:01 | |
| spotz | Hey all | 19:01 |
| ellopunk | hi! | 19:02 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 19:03 |
| spotz | Real quick meeting I think as no updates on the survey | 19:03 |
| spotz | #topic WG session | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "WG session (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 19:03 | |
| spotz | I did put us in for a WG session and I think the topic we were going to submit for the forum still applies | 19:04 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-forum | 19:04 |
| spotz | So basically updating the community on what we've been doing and seeing what folks think we need to be doing/looking into | 19:05 |
| spotz | If anyone has other thoughts let's put them in that etherpad and discuss | 19:05 |
| spotz | Anyone?:) Like I said this has the potential of a very short meeting:) | 19:09 |
| spotz | Ok moving on:) | 19:11 |
| spotz | #topic Sponsored Diversity event in Berlin and/or following summits | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sponsored Diversity event in Berlin and/or following summits (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 19:12 | |
| spotz | This was something ildikov brought up the last meeting and I want to get a feel for what everyone though before talking to Erin and seeing if something like this was even possible | 19:12 |
| fungi | what would the event entail? | 19:13 |
| * ildikov is lurking :) | 19:13 | |
| spotz | SO not wearing my WoO hat.... Which I think is important to note:) This would be possibily a sponsored lunch for diversity folks to meet up, similar to the WoO lunch, but as something we're promoting and not taking away from them | 19:14 |
| spotz | Now keep in mind we're going to run out of lunch spots! | 19:15 |
| fungi | so merging it with the woo luncheon, or "competing" with it, or something else? | 19:15 |
| spotz | Could even be a happy hour. I personally don't want to take away from WoO as that's their thing and I don't want to be a conflict of interest. I'm not sure if the WoO lunch sponsors are specifically Women or would even be open to diversity or more inclined to a diversity event | 19:17 |
| ildikov | if I remember correctly on the Open Source Summit Europe the question was whether they should extend the women in tech lunch to a broader diversity gathering | 19:17 |
| spotz | In the past WoO kinda absorbed diversity stuff due to having more members and being more active, so I'm weary of doing the reverse | 19:17 |
| ildikov | so I wonder whether there's any way to connect these in case we wouldn't ave that many slots open | 19:18 |
| spotz | On US summits there's 4 days. Speed mentoring, woo lunch and community awards, then throw in the git and gerrit which could be moved from a lunch if needed | 19:19 |
| spotz | As a member of the UC I'd rather not miss the awards like I did in Sidney but only so many days | 19:19 |
| fungi | breakfast-n-learn | 19:20 |
| fungi | doesn't quite have the same ring to it, i suppose | 19:20 |
| spotz | So we have a few open questions, is this something we would like to do? And can we find a sponsor, if we can't would the WoO group and sponsor be open to a joint event | 19:21 |
| spotz | fungi - Wake up and learn git and gerrit! | 19:21 |
| ildikov | as for the awards one as it's a recognition type of gathering it's better not to have any WoO or diversity event scheduled in parallel | 19:21 |
| spotz | Correct, which is why in a 3 day summit move lunch and learn to morning as it's a woo sponsored event | 19:22 |
| ildikov | spotz: remembering how painful it was to get up early to go to the WoO breakfast we might want to do a get an afternoon coffee with git instructions... :) | 19:22 |
| spotz | heheh I'm a morning person so it doesn't bother me:) | 19:22 |
| ildikov | I might just want to remember the lot of faces with pain :) | 19:23 |
| ildikov | however it's also international travel for quite a few and we need to think of that too | 19:23 |
| spotz | hehe, and I'd have to talk junlgeboyj into waking up | 19:23 |
| spotz | Anyways regardless of the time we'd have to move git, is this something we'd like to pursue? | 19:24 |
| ildikov | I can help with Git and Gerrit if needed | 19:24 |
| ildikov | although I'm a hard core Git person, don't ask me about git review ;) | 19:24 |
| fungi | those of us travelling west to the conference can probably manage breakfast alertness fairly well | 19:25 |
| fungi | as a hard core git and gerrit person _and_ an a maintainer of git-review, i'm happy to pitch in too | 19:26 |
| ellopunk | True and if it was held on one of the first days before peoples clocks start syncing and excitement is still building more people to attend an early morning event? | 19:27 |
| fungi | just don't ask me questions about running it on windows or mac os ;) | 19:27 |
| spotz | Well in Vancouver we're lunch, so the theorectical moving is for Berlin and beyond | 19:28 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah breakfast in berlin will be a little tough for me, i expect | 19:29 |
| spotz | I try to have folks install ahead of time but usually doesn't happen. The one time we had a windows expert in the room no one needed her:) | 19:29 |
| fungi | making it to sessions on time will be enough of a challenge for me in berlin | 19:29 |
| spotz | fungi - just stay up and then crash the first night:) | 19:29 |
| ildikov | fungi: you can educate me about the advantage of using git review over the basic git commands one of the early mornings :) | 19:29 |
| spotz | But we still haven't answered whether we want to try to have an event:) | 19:30 |
| fungi | i probably wouldn't be any more useful come breakfast time whether i stay up all night or try to sleep | 19:30 |
| spotz | I'm guessing yes though | 19:30 |
| fungi | ildikov: you bet, happy to! | 19:30 |
| ildikov | spotz: I think we can experiment and then decide to keep it or merge with WOO? | 19:30 |
| ildikov | fungi: I don't think you will be able to talk me into using it, but would happy to learn more about it :) | 19:31 |
| spotz | ildikov: Yeah I just wanted to see if there was interest before talking with Erin and Claire as we'd need a sponsor. I'm not 100% we could have one by Berlin | 19:31 |
| fungi | i don't have much of an opinion on whether you should try to get sponsors for a separate event, but would happily try to work it into my schedule if you do | 19:32 |
| spotz | We can also try to have something informal at the PTG | 19:32 |
| spotz | fungi: Sponsors help cover having lunch in the room vs boxed lunches | 19:32 |
| fungi | and i'd be less concerned about completing time-wise with the woo thing, more about the possibility of dividing the pool of sponsors | 19:32 |
| fungi | but yeah, if sponsorship is minimal and not necessarily needed, then maybe that's not a big issue anyway | 19:33 |
| spotz | Well and that's what I'm not sure of, a sponsor might be more I want the diversity one! Or no we sponsor women things! | 19:33 |
| spotz | Might necessitate another Friday drive to Austin | 19:34 |
| spotz | #action spotz talk to Erin and Claire about possibilities and what we might need | 19:34 |
| spotz | Ok anything else on this? Last thing is Open discussion anyways | 19:34 |
| spotz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 19:38 | |
| spotz | Ok we've got 22 minutes if anyone has anything | 19:38 |
| fungi | probably unrelated but there's work underway in openstack-infra to host an instance of limesurvey | 19:41 |
| spotz | versus using survey monkey? | 19:42 |
| fungi | yeah, so that people in our community can play around with arbitrary surveys without having to rely on non-free software, and without telling people to go provide their answers to a third party | 19:42 |
| fungi | it's a spec we've had molding out there for a couple years, but has recently gotten some life breathed into it | 19:43 |
| spotz | Ok let me talk to aprice on that, she owes me like 3 emails. The survey is one of thos items | 19:43 |
| fungi | i think it's probably not intended to compete with whatever more coordinated survey options the foundation provides | 19:44 |
| spotz | Yeah I'm not sure how they put them together | 19:45 |
| fungi | but hoping we end up with an easy way that, e.g., a ptl can ask their team to let them know who will be coming to the next ptg so they can get a headcount, or a group of people can vote on a name for some new feature in their project, or whatever | 19:45 |
| fungi | stuff they wouldn't want to bother the foundation marketing team to assemble and manage | 19:45 |
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| fungi | but which the community seems to end up using google forms and surveymonkey and similar non-free solutions to fill in the gap currently | 19:46 |
| fungi | i should clarify, solutions which are not free/libre open source software | 19:47 |
| fungi | the end up going to gratis (free as in beer) solutions because we don't provide one for them | 19:47 |
| spotz | Yeah, like how we all use doodle | 19:48 |
| fungi | i say "probably unrelated" because odds are you'll want the foundation to manage the diversity survey | 19:48 |
| spotz | Yeah I think because anyone seeing the results will need to sign an NDA they'll have to | 19:49 |
| spotz | As in the unfiltered results | 19:49 |
| spotz | Oh mrhillsman you still about? | 19:51 |
| mrhillsman | i am | 19:51 |
| spotz | mrhillsman: Have you had any contact with the Black Boy Code (I hope I remembered that right) I think aprice had mentioned you had hooked them up and I just remebered we talked about possibly a buddy system | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, we talk every wednesday | 19:53 |
| fungi | spotz: yeah, though i do wonder to what extent the "results nda" extends to whatever service the foundation relies on to host their surveys (i don't think they run it themselves). in theory whoever is the operator of that service has access to the raw results stored somewhere too | 19:53 |
| spotz | Oh sweet, can you see if they're interested in maybe atleast 1 day we try to get their attendees someone to hang with, or at least invite them to the speed mentoring? | 19:53 |
| spotz | fungi: I'm not sure, I would assume it's in their contracts? | 19:54 |
| mrhillsman | yes, i can do that | 19:55 |
| fungi | spotz: right, that's what i was wondering. i suppose i know the right people to get me a copy of the contracts to review | 19:56 |
| spotz | #action mrhillsman follow up so see about buddy system or speed mentoring | 19:56 |
| spotz | mrhillsman: Thank you sir, if we decide we'd like to o the buddy thing we'll need to put a call out soon | 19:57 |
| spotz | fungi: :) | 19:57 |
| spotz | Ok let me close this out | 19:57 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Etherpad for Diversity WG Forum ideas - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-forum Diversity Survey draft - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018_draft" | 19:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 23 19:58:00 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-04-23-19.01.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-04-23-19.01.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-04-23-19.01.log.html | 19:58 |
| fungi | thanks spotz! | 19:58 |
| spotz | Thanks everyone for coming:) | 19:58 |
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