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| spotz | Meeting in 30 minutes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 17:33 |
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| spotz | #startmeeting diversity-wg | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 12 18:03:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 18:03 |
| cdent | o/ | 18:03 |
| spotz | #topic Roll-call | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll-call (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 18:03 | |
| spotz | Hey cdent! How's the hand? | 18:03 |
| cdent | I have the giant bandage off now, and just small bandages over the steri strips now. It seems to be healing well and quickly. Thanks for asking. | 18:04 |
| cdent | this was just after the hostpital: https://tank-binaries.s3.amazonaws.com/c47f9277fc0144c18c14783b227e058e.jpe | 18:04 |
| spotz | We'll give folks a few minutes, time change is throwing everyone off. | 18:04 |
| cdent | (SFW) | 18:04 |
| spotz | Not good! | 18:05 |
| cdent | There won't be any lasting damage | 18:05 |
| spotz | That's good, I'm missing the tip of one finger, only bad part is the nail is a little weird | 18:05 |
| spotz | 2 more minutes and we'll start, I know you corrected a type:) And aprice has added the choices from the original to the ether for us | 18:07 |
| spotz | I manage to typo saying typo... | 18:07 |
| cdent | My inability to type is contagious | 18:08 |
| spotz | Ok this will be really quick I guess, let's give the draft a look over with the responses. I'd like a few more eyes before we do anything with it though | 18:09 |
| spotz | #topic Draft review | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Draft review (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 18:09 | |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018_draft | 18:10 |
| * cdent clicks | 18:10 | |
| spotz | So the 4 questions with no choices we'll use the choices from the mozilla survey that are on the bottom of the pre-draft question etherpad | 18:11 |
| cdent | Was there previous discussion on including code and documentation in the same contribution response? I'm aware of some people who are comfortable with one but not the other? | 18:11 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018 | 18:12 |
| spotz | cdent: I believe it was a result of both count for ATC | 18:12 |
| cdent | Depending on the sorts of correlations we want to make separating those might be useful. But it might also be dispiriting to some | 18:13 |
| cdent | That ones a multi-response or a one-response? | 18:13 |
| spotz | cdent I don't remember if the original had any multi-choices but we could add them were needed in addition to the other(fill in the blank) | 18:14 |
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| spotz | cdent I think I'd almost rather see the contribute code/docs and revide code/docs be the breakout there. I think you're right about it being dispiriting if we don't think of docs as code | 18:16 |
| cdent | Yeah, there are lots of ways to go. I think it depends on how we want to understand the resulting data. | 18:18 |
| spotz | I think we want to get an idea of where people are in the community, what areas are more/less diverse. Then once we know that we can see how we can start helping to change the lesses to being more diverse | 18:20 |
| cdent | I suppose we can always follow up later if we want to try to see if there are gravity wells (or repellers) in traditionally code v traditionally doc areas | 18:21 |
| spotz | I'll almost guarantee that right now docs is probaly one of the most diverse projects | 18:22 |
| cdent | Do we know why? | 18:22 |
| spotz | And probably historically as well | 18:22 |
| cdent | IS THERE MAGIC SAUCE WE CAN SPREAD ELSEWHERE!!!!??? :) | 18:23 |
| spotz | Well Rackspace used to provide a large number of tech writers which were female. | 18:23 |
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| spotz | So I'd say that's a main reason. But beyond gender diversity I can't say except it's a recommended place to start | 18:24 |
| * cdent nods | 18:26 | |
| spotz | And that's one thing we need to keep in mind we're not just looking at gender diversity | 18:26 |
| cdent | Yeah, my thinking on docs v code above was that people who are ESL may find code easier to approach than docs, in some circumstances | 18:27 |
| spotz | Could be as code is code. What about a follow up to if you select code/review ask what projects? Though that might scare some folks off thinking we'll ID them | 18:28 |
| cdent | Yeah, I don't think we want to be chasing that kind of detail, not when we are asking all these other questions | 18:29 |
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| spotz | ok added a note for that one which we can send to the list and maybe get feedback before the next meeting. Any other questions you want to hit? Not sure if you want to go in order or just pick ones you see? | 18:31 |
| cdent | That was the only one that made me think any additional thoughts. | 18:34 |
| spotz | Ok | 18:34 |
| spotz | #topic CHAOSS update | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CHAOSS update (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 18:35 | |
| spotz | I forgot the meeting was taking place and ildikov was at the PTG. I've updated my calendar to remind me so will attend tomorrow | 18:35 |
| spotz | #topic Diversity at the PTG | 18:36 |
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| spotz | We didn't do anything officially but anything you want to add from observations? | 18:36 |
| * cdent thinks | 18:37 | |
| cdent | Nothing more than the usual: events based on english speech need to be more conscious of people who don't speak english. | 18:38 |
| cdent | s/english/english easily/ | 18:38 |
| spotz | And non-US as well | 18:38 |
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| spotz | I think that's a really good point and maybe something we can remind speakers of prior to Summit, maybe a superuser article or an email sent from speakersupport | 18:39 |
| spotz | #action spotz touch base with aprice about Diversity WG doing something pro-active before summit | 18:40 |
| cdent | +1 | 18:41 |
| spotz | I'll put that on my whiteboard so I don't forget:) | 18:41 |
| spotz | Ok put on the board that'll help:) | 18:42 |
| spotz | Anything else? | 18:42 |
| cdent | Not from me. | 18:42 |
| spotz | Last item then:) | 18:42 |
| spotz | #topic open discussion | 18:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: diversity-wg)" | 18:43 | |
| spotz | You have anything? | 18:43 |
| cdent | nope! | 18:43 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review and correct or offer alternatives - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018_draft Next meeting 3/12 @19:00 UTC" | 18:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 12 18:43:52 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-03-12-18.03.html | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-03-12-18.03.txt | 18:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-03-12-18.03.log.html | 18:43 |
| spotz | Thanks for coming cdent:) We got a few good things out of it even with just us:) | 18:44 |
| cdent | excellent | 18:44 |
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