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| spotz | Meeting in 1 hour and 17 minutes | 17:43 |
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| cdent | thanks for the reminder spotz | 18:39 |
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| spotz | cdent: It's as much for me:) | 18:52 |
| cdent | I turns out I never added anything to my calendar. Is the plan "every other week" or something else? | 18:52 |
| ildikov | cdent: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Diversity_Working_Group_Meeting | 18:59 |
| cdent | thanks ildikov | 19:00 |
| ildikov | cdent: not 100% sure we stick with the every two weeks though, but I used the calendar file from there so far | 19:00 |
| ildikov | today it matches :) | 19:00 |
| spotz | #startmeeting Diversity-WG | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 12 19:01:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Diversity-WG)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 19:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:01 |
| cdent | hai | 19:01 |
| spotz | #topic Roll Call | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Diversity-WG)" | 19:01 | |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 19:01 |
| spotz | Agenda for those who need it:) | 19:01 |
| spotz | We'll give folks a few minutes though I need to leave on time for an appointment in San Antonio at 2:45 ay | 19:02 |
| eumel8 | o/ | 19:02 |
| spotz | Let's go ahead and get started and any stragglers can catch up:) | 19:03 |
| spotz | #topic Survey First Draft | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Survey First Draft (Meeting topic: Diversity-WG)" | 19:04 | |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018_draft | 19:04 |
| spotz | Over the last 2 meetings we have pretty much gone over the original draft survey, the final questions and some of the questions from the Mozilla survey. I have combined them down to that draft | 19:05 |
| cdent | that seems a reasonable set. not too onerous | 19:06 |
| spotz | cdent There might be 1 or 2 more then the original but we also removed a few so we should be about the same. | 19:07 |
| spotz | If anyone has any better wording for any of them please add the re-write under the current version | 19:07 |
| * cdent will review more properly tomorrow | 19:10 | |
| spotz | After we have a consensus on the questions, the next step will be the responses to go with them. I think we should go with the response choices from the Mozilla survet for gender, disability and English if there are no objectives I think those were pretty inclusive | 19:10 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 19:11 |
| cdent | agree | 19:11 |
| ildikov | +1 | 19:11 |
| spotz | I'm not 100% the list I put for race/ethniticity is complete, I put 2 versions of the US census together. I had to re-type from an image but I think everything is spelled alright. If anyone can think of any additions or seperations needed again add under what's there | 19:12 |
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| nicoleh | hi there! | 19:14 |
| spotz | I'm definitely not sure we're covering all of the African content there, as I'm only mentioning the grouping of Middle Eastern and Northern Aftica | 19:14 |
| spotz | Hey nicoleh welcome | 19:14 |
| nicoleh | thanks amy! | 19:14 |
| spotz | And I don't want to accidently offend anyone with those 2 'other' groupings | 19:15 |
| spotz | Does anyone want to continue with this or take some time to go over and add to the etherpad later? We will be skipping the next meeting for those going to the PTG | 19:16 |
| ildikov | I feel like we should have an 'other, please specify' field everywhere we gave options... | 19:17 |
| fungi | i agree | 19:17 |
| fungi | i don't think we can ever assume we've covered every possible answer | 19:17 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 19:17 |
| spotz | ildikov: Ok that'll be every question I think. I'm pretty sure we can do that with Survey Monkey, or have a follow-up optional question as the other | 19:18 |
| ildikov | spotz: cool, that sounds good | 19:18 |
| spotz | fungi: Oh I know we won't:( Almost every reource I looked at was US based | 19:18 |
| ildikov | I wasn't sure whether I'm paranoid or others feel this way too :) | 19:19 |
| spotz | My biggest fear is offending someone by using a US based description of something | 19:19 |
| spotz | ildikov: The hope is to have enough choices they won't need it, but yeah it needs to be there. We'll need to put a group together to collate no matter what I think | 19:20 |
| spotz | So let's put a deadline of next meeting for comments/re-writes which is a month. Hopefully a small number for discussing during the meeting and then make some progress on responses to go with the questions | 19:22 |
| spotz | That work for everyone? | 19:22 |
| * cdent nods | 19:23 | |
| fungi | sounds reasonable | 19:23 |
| ildikov | works for me | 19:24 |
| spotz | Ok next topic then | 19:24 |
| spotz | #topic CHAOSS | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CHAOSS (Meeting topic: Diversity-WG)" | 19:24 | |
| spotz | ildiko any updates? I'll try to make the next call but will be in Dallas at the office so may not make it | 19:24 |
| ildikov | so there's a Diversity and Inclusion group within the CHAOSS project | 19:25 |
| ildikov | they are working with the Mozilla people as far as I know | 19:25 |
| ildikov | so far I couldn't find the time to participate | 19:26 |
| spotz | ildikov: I'll try to make the next one if I do miss Tuesday | 19:26 |
| ildikov | I know that they are looking into activities like ours and as they have the Bitergia guys around too they are aware of our survey and activities in this area as well | 19:26 |
| nicoleh | yes, there's a Diversity & Inclusion group within the CHAOSS project ... i've been part of that ... | 19:26 |
| ildikov | there's a working group call tomorrow | 19:26 |
| spotz | Oh tomorrow? That I can make! I am so calendar challenged:) | 19:27 |
| ildikov | 12pm Central Time on Zoom: https://unomaha.zoom.us/j/720431288 | 19:27 |
| nicoleh | the research that we've been working on with bitergia helped to frame the basis of that working group | 19:28 |
| ildikov | spotz: yep, it's on the 13th :) | 19:28 |
| nicoleh | we have a call with them tomorrow | 19:28 |
| ildikov | nicoleh: +1 | 19:28 |
| spotz | nicoleh: will you be on that noon call too? | 19:28 |
| nicoleh | i can join that call too | 19:29 |
| nicoleh | our call tomorrow morning is focused on prep for a joint session at open source leadership summit | 19:30 |
| spotz | Great the more the merrier. Anyone else have anything in regards to CHAOSS or needs more information? | 19:30 |
| nicoleh | focused on the working group | 19:31 |
| ildikov | if anyone wants to read more about what chaoss is: chaoss.community is the web site | 19:32 |
| fungi | i'd be curious to listen in but have an opendev event planning call at the same time. will there be meeting minutes published? | 19:32 |
| ildikov | and the diversity and inclusion metrics repo is this one: https://github.com/chaoss/metrics/blob/master/1_Diversity-Inclusion.md | 19:32 |
| spotz | fungi: We can see if they record it? | 19:35 |
| fungi | nah, i'll just get updates from people who attend ;) | 19:35 |
| spotz | And hopefully we can align some of our question reposnses to CHAOSS as well as the previous survey | 19:36 |
| ildikov | the regular weekly calls have minutes | 19:36 |
| ildikov | I think Georg will publish one after tomorrow's meeting too | 19:36 |
| fungi | where do they keep their meeting minutes? | 19:37 |
| ildikov | the minutes of the monthly call is on the wiki: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/chaoss/metrics | 19:40 |
| ildikov | not sure about other meetings :/ | 19:41 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:42 |
| spotz | Cool thank Ildiko | 19:43 |
| spotz | Let's go ahead and move on as we have 17 minutes left | 19:43 |
| spotz | #topic Diversity at Summit | 19:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Diversity at Summit (Meeting topic: Diversity-WG)" | 19:43 | |
| spotz | I've got ahead and submitted a session to review the old survey and hopefully the new one, or at least what are goals are for it. I know it's early but I'd also like to see what folks think about having either a formal group meeting or at least a session where people can come to ask questions beyond that presentation if it gets accepted | 19:44 |
| cdent | a forum session of some kind might be useful, especially if it is oriented towards a particular topic | 19:46 |
| fungi | yeah, forum seems more appropriate than a conference talk | 19:46 |
| fungi | but i may be biased | 19:46 |
| spotz | I wasn't quite sure if we qualify for forum or not, but I was hoping at the least a WG slot | 19:47 |
| fungi | i don't see why community diversity wouldn't be a valid forum topic, personally | 19:48 |
| ildikov | yeah, I think it should qualify, quite an important discussion topic | 19:49 |
| fungi | if the goal is to get other people from the community to come and discuss, rather than just having a working group session for working group business | 19:49 |
| spotz | fungi: More that we're not under TC or UC, but then again neither are the new SIGs | 19:49 |
| fungi | the forum isn't really supposed to be team-specific sessions anyway | 19:49 |
| fungi | more like "here's a problem we need to tackle" | 19:49 |
| spotz | Definitely want new folks, new ideas and lost of questions with hopefully answers | 19:49 |
| spotz | lots | 19:50 |
| ildikov | +1 | 19:50 |
| ildikov | the Forum is also not designed by these umbrellas as fungi said | 19:50 |
| spotz | Cool then will definitely request a forum space:) | 19:51 |
| fungi | yeah, ideally it's supposed to be topics cutting across multiple facets of the community at large | 19:51 |
| spotz | We definitely qualify there:) | 19:51 |
| ildikov | :) | 19:53 |
| spotz | Ok made note so I don't forget on the agenda for Forum session. For Tokyo there was a lot of 'Diversity Messaging' from looking at the old notes, I think as we get closer we can see what if any we want to have in that regards. And it'll give me more time to maybe summarize old notes for the group | 19:53 |
| spotz | Anyone else have anything else to discuss Summit wise? OR we can move to OPenDiscussion for the last 7 minutes | 19:54 |
| spotz | #topic Open DIscussion | 19:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open DIscussion (Meeting topic: Diversity-WG)" | 19:55 | |
| spotz | If we have any that is:) | 19:55 |
| fungi | *crickets* | 19:57 |
| spotz | Ok I'm gonna take the silence as we're good! For those travelling to Dublin safe trips and I'm SOOO jealous:( | 19:58 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:58 |
| spotz | I do take payments in Connemara Ponies, and Durbarry Galway Boots....:) | 19:58 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 12 19:58:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-02-12-19.01.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-02-12-19.01.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-02-12-19.01.log.html | 19:59 |
| spotz | Thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
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