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| spotz | Meeting in 1 hour! | 18:00 |
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| spotz | #startmeeting diversity_wg | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 29 19:02:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 19:02 |
| spotz | #topic Roll Call | 19:02 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 19:02 |
| aprice | o/ | 19:02 |
| spotz | Not sure who's about but I figured I'd get us started | 19:02 |
| spotz | Today's agenda is on the top here: | 19:03 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 19:03 |
| spotz | Welcome ildikov and aprice:) | 19:03 |
| aprice | hello there :) | 19:04 |
| ildikov | hi :) | 19:05 |
| spotz | We'll give 2 more minutes to see if we get anyone else then we'll move on to our questions review:) | 19:05 |
| cmurphy | hi o/ sorry i'm late | 19:05 |
| spotz | Hey cmurphy | 19:05 |
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| spotz | #topic Old Survey Question revamp | 19:06 |
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| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/diversity-survey-spring-2018 | 19:06 |
| spotz | Does anyone have any comments about the first 4 question? We left off still discussing #5 | 19:07 |
| annabelleB | I’m sure this has been discussed…but the second question is written oddly | 19:08 |
| annabelleB | sorry, first | 19:08 |
| annabelleB | line 3 | 19:08 |
| spotz | And if I start typoing a lot yell at me to use the other keyboard:( | 19:08 |
| spotz | In which country? annabelleB? | 19:08 |
| aprice | I think that the line 3 question could be removed | 19:09 |
| annabelleB | What’s the information we’re trying to get out of that? | 19:09 |
| aprice | it doesn't really add actionable things that a diversity survey would achieve | 19:09 |
| annabelleB | +1 | 19:09 |
| aprice | whereas the next question would be useful | 19:09 |
| spotz | We were keeping reside, and removing citizen at birth | 19:09 |
| aprice | perfect | 19:09 |
| spotz | There's notes from last meeting at the end of the lines:) | 19:10 |
| annabelleB | “What country do you live in?” is a simplier way for ESSL people | 19:10 |
| spotz | And we will need to better word everything:) These were the draft questions I still had access to | 19:11 |
| spotz | aprice had the action item to get the real questions asked out of Survey Monkey | 19:11 |
| aprice | I'm sorry - I will pull now and put into the etherpad | 19:12 |
| annabelleB | spotz: do you want to walk through and reword as a group, or do you want to assign someone to redraft and we go from there? | 19:12 |
| spotz | Cool thanks:) And for some I wouldn't be surprised if worded the same | 19:12 |
| spotz | annabelleB: Right now I'd like to get what we're keeing, what we're adding. Then we can decide how we want to word them. We might end up with multiple related questions so flow of wording will be important | 19:13 |
| annabelleB | okay | 19:14 |
| cmurphy | I just happened to see https://github.com/drnikki/open-demographics on twitter, i bet we could pull a lot of content directly from that | 19:14 |
| spotz | And so far we've thrown out 1 and are combining 2 and might use some of mozilla's stuff if it fits | 19:15 |
| annabelleB | cmurphy: this looks really helpful | 19:15 |
| spotz | cmurphy: It's definitely got some of the things we've been discussing | 19:16 |
| spotz | plopping it in the agenda for reference | 19:17 |
| ildikov | cmurphy: nice catch! | 19:17 |
| annabelleB | the open demographics seems like a really good starting point rather than starting with the old survey. It looks like they’ve done a ton of research about how you ask some of these very personal questions | 19:17 |
| aprice | I have placed the previous survey questions in bottom of the etherpad. Based on how close it is to the current questions, we may have already reviewed :) | 19:18 |
| spotz | annabelleB: It'd be nice to have some continuity so we can say we've improved/declined in these areas. That's the main reason to decide what we want to keep | 19:19 |
| annabelleB | do we feel like the old survey has good enough data to try and have historical data? Or is it okay to call it a wash and start over? | 19:19 |
| annabelleB | last I heard there were a lot of concerns about the response rate and the way questions were asked, so may not warrant so much concern about maintaining historical data | 19:20 |
| spotz | annabelleB: It's the only data we have. Was it great no | 19:20 |
| aprice | we had 538 responses for the previous survey | 19:20 |
| annabelleB | oh that’s not too shabby—nvm the response rate bit | 19:20 |
| aprice | for context, it was conducted in October 2015 prior to the Tokyo Summit | 19:21 |
| spotz | And I think there are alot of surveys out there like this github repo, the Mozilla survey, etc. We can borrow from to make ours better but we need to decide what we want to keep, and how to incorporate more information without it growing I'd say beyond 20 questions? | 19:22 |
| spotz | Looks like we were at 16 before and have already tossed 1 | 19:23 |
| spotz | Hoing off the new questions. I say keep how do you participate. How often do you interact I think might be important | 19:24 |
| spotz | Ha cool just noticed the religion one was already worded in the direction we were going:) | 19:25 |
| spotz | Looking at where we as if someone considers themselves a racial/ethnic minority it looks like we have never asked for them to identify themselves | 19:27 |
| spotz | I think that is some vital information we're missing | 19:28 |
| aprice | can we include the sample mozilla one in the etherpad? I feel like i have heard that one cited multiple times | 19:30 |
| spotz | aprice The survey is no longer available but I did save (I hope some questions) | 19:31 |
| spotz | In coming to etherpad | 19:32 |
| spotz | Ok I'll have to go back and clean it up but ones I saved that I thought were relevant to us are now under the section aprice added | 19:33 |
| spotz | Doesn't look near as nice on the ether wiethout some of the tables | 19:33 |
| spotz | Now We should ask country vs region, it's data we generally have available to use. I did like the area question underneath it but maybe because I don't live in a city:) | 19:34 |
| annabelleB | I’m not sure that one’s as actionable, and I’m all for a shorter survey | 19:36 |
| ildikov | I guess the difference here really appears when the infrastructure is not that developed outside of the city | 19:37 |
| ildikov | annabelleB: +1 | 19:38 |
| spotz | Yeah like I said I just thought it was cool so kept it plus the region one. | 19:39 |
| spotz | The age one we'd have to compare to how it lines up with our previous one, I think that's important to keep the same or close to what will be in CHAOSS | 19:39 |
| annabelleB | spotz: on the region one, if you have country, you can create region if the diveristy WG decides it’s interesting | 19:40 |
| annabelleB | trying to keep striking out so you don’t get survey taker fatigue | 19:40 |
| spotz | annabelleB: Yeah and in this case it's better to collect the narrower data | 19:40 |
| ildikov | spotz: +1 | 19:40 |
| spotz | I like the wording on the English as well as the disability ones from Mozilla | 19:41 |
| spotz | I don't think the technology question applies to us | 19:41 |
| ildikov | spotz: in CHAOSS it would be interesting to see a wider selection of questions with suggestions on how to narrow it down for a shorter survey and having maybe follow up questions or a longer survey to get more actionable data | 19:41 |
| ildikov | spotz: agreed on the technology one | 19:43 |
| spotz | Mozilla kinda duplicates the transgender question as it's actually covered in 13. Where do you identify on the gender spectrum? And I think that is a great one that covers most everything | 19:43 |
| spotz | 15 looks awful in the either pad but it's one of thos rate from 1-X charts which could have some useful data | 19:44 |
| spotz | I think 16, 17 and 23 might be worth using. SOme of the others I've got there have value but not for this I don't think | 19:46 |
| spotz | And we're at the 15 minute mark. | 19:47 |
| spotz | I have the WSJ article on the agenda and Open discussion or we can keep weeding through? | 19:47 |
| annabelleB | I think it’d be more valuable to keep pushing through the questions | 19:51 |
| spotz | annabelleB: Ok let's spend the last 9 minutes on that. | 19:52 |
| annabelleB | +1 on mozilla’s 23 | 19:53 |
| spotz | Noted on top annabelleB | 19:56 |
| spotz | I put a note in but we have 3 minutes left. Should we add a racial.ethnicity question before asking if someone feels like their are a minority? | 19:58 |
| spotz | If anyone is typing we've got 1 minute left | 19:59 |
| annabelleB | yes | 19:59 |
| spotz | Ok noted. And I'm going to end the meeting log but will be about between here and the OUI meeting | 20:00 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 29 20:00:34 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-01-29-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-01-29-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-01-29-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| spotz | And I need to go throw the horse hay real quick:) | 20:00 |
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