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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Explictly highlight Tempest python versions https://review.opendev.org/681203 | 10:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Explictly highlight Tempest python versions https://review.opendev.org/681203 | 10:13 |
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| frickler | mugsie: can you -w 679798 again? also, is there a backup plan in case centos 8 doesn't get released in time? is there a deadline on our side for that? | 12:15 |
| mugsie | frickler: done | 12:18 |
| mugsie | and, I have no idea what we do it centos missed the cut off - I think we just have to live with 2.7 for another cycle | 12:19 |
| mugsie | which is les than good. if anyone has any contacts in the CentOS group - finding out a rough timeline would be great | 12:19 |
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| cdent | mugsie: instead of live with 2.7 for another cycle, why not just drop centos for a cycle. Why we always letting other people hold us up? | 12:25 |
| mugsie | cdent: - that is an idea | 12:25 |
| frickler | cdent: I was about to write the same, +1 from me | 12:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance master: Remove CentOS 8 from list of OSes for Ussuri https://review.opendev.org/681242 | 12:35 |
| mugsie | frickler: cdent ^ | 12:35 |
| cdent | thanks mugsie | 12:36 |
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| mugsie | mnaser: re CentOS - the release work is not even started | 14:27 |
| mnaser | mugsie: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2019-September/017680.html | 14:29 |
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| mugsie | If we leave CentOS in the list, we have to add 2.7 back. and I am really not happy about writing py27 code, after the language is retired | 14:30 |
| mugsie | "watch this space" is basically what that says | 14:31 |
| mnaser | i dont want to add py27 either | 14:36 |
| mnaser | mugsie: but i think centos 7 is doing something about that | 14:36 |
| mugsie | in 7.7 | 14:36 |
| mnaser | something about shipping py3 in the cr repos or something | 14:36 |
| mugsie | which is also late | 14:36 |
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| mnaser | i wonder what's going on there | 14:37 |
| mnaser | i just dont want to throw an os under the bus because its late, its a huge OS.. | 14:37 |
| mnaser | many of the multi-million core cloud deployments that i know of use it | 14:37 |
| mugsie | also, the way we currnetly word it, we generally go for the defualt version installed, or one in the main repos | 14:37 |
| mugsie | we could change that, but thats how it currently stands | 14:38 |
| mnaser | oh look | 14:38 |
| mnaser | https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS7.1908 | 14:38 |
| mnaser | i think they just added 7.7 to mirrors yetserday | 14:38 |
| mnaser | or maybe not | 14:39 |
| mugsie | mnaser: I know, and I feel bad about that, but us removing them from this page doesn't force projects to stop testing with it | 14:39 |
| mnaser | it does send a certain message :) | 14:39 |
| mugsie | it just says that projects that want to drop 2.7 can | 14:39 |
| mugsie | which is fine, and a good thing to do - RH/CentOS have had decades to get this in place | 14:40 |
| mnaser | i think this doesnt hurt redhat more than it hurts our users | 14:40 |
| mugsie | it hurts our devs by forcing another release with 2.7 | 14:41 |
| mnaser | i don't think we're more than a few days (maybe) away from 7.7 at least | 14:42 |
| mnaser | rhel 7.7 seems to have been released aug 6th | 14:42 |
| mugsie | but then we have to test a: building images, b: enablying CR repos c: install python 3 from them d: devstack/tempest etc on top of this | 14:42 |
| mugsie | rhel 8 was may | 14:43 |
| mnaser | let me see who i can talk with to solve this instead of deleting an os from our books | 14:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update member roster based on Sept 2019 election https://review.opendev.org/680356 | 14:43 |
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| cdent | my understanding wasn't that it was deleting an os from the books, it was for a cycle | 14:44 |
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| mugsie | cdent: ++ | 14:44 |
| cdent | which seems totally fair. We are not obliged to do everything for everyone, all the time. | 14:44 |
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| mnaser | except that we have many users that rely on said os | 14:48 |
| mnaser | should they reinstall ubuntu for a cycle too? :) | 14:48 |
| mugsie | it is less than 6 months until 2.7 is gone. the extension was in 2014, and everyone knew at that point 2.7 was gone 1/1/2020. | 14:49 |
| mugsie | they should consider a different OS if the OS of choice can't keep up with a 10+ year migration plan | 14:49 |
| mugsie | like, there is down to the wire, and then there is not having a version with py3 90ish days out from the deadline of a 4000ish day long process | 14:52 |
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| cdent | I'm confused. I thought "Tested Runtimes" meant, these are the test runtimes. Not "you can't use this" | 14:56 |
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