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| cdent | efried: I've left some comment on the cyborg etherpad. Let me know if additional questions come up as I have no good way to watch/track that. | 12:26 |
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| cdent | efried, mordred : this service-type-authority patch feels a bit stuck: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/633854/ any thoughts to add? | 13:58 |
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| mordred | cdent: I think maybe it's worth raising at a TC meeting or on the TC list - and get the TC to weigh in (they defer to that core team generally, but in cases of conflict or strife I think it's TC call) | 14:10 |
| mordred | I'm fine with operator-logic though and have +2d | 14:11 |
| cdent | mordred: there already was an office hours discussion about it, which is why several tc members have already commented on the review | 14:11 |
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| mordred | cdent: ah. gotcha. | 14:11 |
| mordred | cdent: maybe we should pull a few of the options and do a quick condorcet poll sent to the TC? | 14:11 |
| cdent | the issue, at this point, it seems, is that there may be confusion on what the type should _mean_ | 14:11 |
| mordred | cdent: can you explain that in different words? | 14:11 |
| cdent | try this: It's probably easier for one of the three of us to have an opinion on what the correct thing is, and state that and then be done | 14:12 |
| cdent | (where the three of is is "the cores who are around these days") | 14:12 |
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| mordred | cdent: totes | 14:16 |
| mordred | cdent: but - like - can you clarify the issue and "confusion on what the type should mean" | 14:17 |
| mordred | do you mean confusion on what service-types should mean generally, or confusion on what adjutant's should be trying to express? | 14:17 |
| cdent | like, man, no, because my brain is tired and I'm, like, pulling a straws and was hoping you or efried would jus fix it ;) | 14:17 |
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| cdent | a combo of both really, but mostly the former as clarifying that might help to drive the latter decision | 14:18 |
| mordred | nod | 14:19 |
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| mordred | I guess for me I think of it in terms of the phrase "The XXX service" or "I want to use the XXX service" - where X is a somewhat generic description of the types of resources the service has | 14:20 |
| mordred | cdent: hrm. jay's suggestion isn't bad | 14:23 |
| mordred | I could be on board with that too - given the reasoning he states | 14:24 |
| cdent | say so, that'll move things along at least | 14:25 |
| mordred | done | 14:27 |
| cdent | cool, thanks | 14:28 |
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| efried | cdent, mordred: yeah, I've been deliberately staying out of that, because I don't really have (the context for) an opinion. | 14:40 |
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| efried | cdent: Thanks for the feedback on cyborg APIs. | 14:53 |
| cdent | any clarification needed, or did I make sense (for once)? | 14:53 |
| efried | cdent: all makes sense to me, particularly since you echoed my thoughts in a couple of cases :) | 14:54 |
| efried | Mainly it's reassuring that there are no show-stoppers in here. | 14:54 |
| cdent | bias confirmation ahoy! | 14:54 |
| efried | We'll see what Sundar thinks | 14:54 |
| cdent | yeah, it's not perfect, but it is mostly sane | 14:55 |
| efried | perfection == enemy of progress, or something? | 14:55 |
| cdent | the important questions are mostly to do with how it evolves from here, and with APIs that's one of the areas in which some deliberation is more important than some others | 14:55 |
| cdent | something like that | 14:55 |
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| efried | cdent: Oh, there was something we've been meaning to ask about on that note: | 15:00 |
| efried | what does it take to set up v2.0 of the API such that microversions can be added later? | 15:01 |
| efried | I assume whatever anticipatory framework is necessary, if any at all, is fairly minimal. | 15:01 |
| cdent | there needs to be a discovery doc at the root of the endpoint that looks somewhat like the one that placement produces | 15:02 |
| cdent | and you need to send an 'openstack-api-version: accelerator(?) 2.0' header in the response | 15:02 |
| cdent | https://pypi.org/project/microversion_parse/ can do _some_ of that for you | 15:03 |
| cdent | but is probably overkill if you just want the very basics | 15:03 |
| cdent | (it's no longer just a parser, it also provides wsgi middleware) | 15:03 |
| cdent | it doesn't, however, deal with providing the discovery doc | 15:04 |
| cdent | cribbing from placement is a reasonable strategy | 15:04 |
| efried | cdent: I suspect the only thing we'll want to do out of the gate is make sure we're not painting ourselves into a corner where we would have to do something major. | 15:04 |
| efried | Yes, definitely had every intention of cribbing from placement, but may need some hints as to which parts need to be cribbed. | 15:04 |
| cdent | those two main steps I mentioned above are sort of the basics | 15:04 |
| cdent | you're basically making a declaration of "2.0 is my first and only microversion" | 15:05 |
| efried | Thanks, I'll pass this info along to Sundar. | 15:05 |
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| cdent | feel free to drag me in whenever | 15:06 |
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| cdent | dtantsur: if, in my copious (ha!) free time I wanted to play with using placement with standalone ironic is there a) a good way to get started, b) a concept of a "fake ironic node" | 15:39 |
| dtantsur | yes to both | 15:40 |
| dtantsur | cdent: 1. https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/contributor/dev-quickstart.html#deploying-ironic-with-devstack | 15:41 |
| dtantsur | 2. this is with devstack, you'll get VMs serving as fake BMs (so you'll be able to deploy, etc) | 15:41 |
| dtantsur | alternatively, follow https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/contributor/dev-quickstart.html#exercising-the-services-locally and you'll end up with truly fake nodes (nothing real behind them) | 15:42 |
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| cdent | is there a local.conf somewhere that I can borrow that creates a devstack without nova, or if I want that is alternative option the better choice? | 15:43 |
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| jroll | cdent: I think you want bifrost for standalone | 16:00 |
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| jroll | it has a fake baremetal mode | 16:00 |
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| jroll | hrm, is that documented? | 16:00 |
| jroll | cdent: aha, here it is: https://docs.openstack.org/bifrost/latest/user/howto.html#manually-test-with-virtual-machines | 16:04 |
| jroll | bifrost will give you ironic running in standalone mode, locally (no containers and such), with rabbit and mysql. keystone and neutron optional (opt-in) | 16:05 |
| cdent | thanks jroll I'll add that to the list of links to pay attention to when I clone myself | 16:05 |
| jroll | :) | 16:05 |
| cdent | I heard from the cloud native people that bare metal is the only part of openstack that matters ( ;D ) so I want to hitch placement to that ... | 16:06 |
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