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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Use io.open instead of open in extensions https://review.openstack.org/529025 | 10:41 |
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| brokencycle | Hi! I am playing with devstack and wondered why devstack forcibly installs an ancient version of pip. | 11:18 |
| brokencycle | Any insights, please? | 11:18 |
| brokencycle | My system's version would be 9.x, but the version which is being downloaded, is 6.x. | 11:20 |
| brokencycle | This is for pike. | 11:20 |
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| clarkb | brokencycle: it should do the opposite actually. The intent is to use get-pip.py to install latest which is 9.0.1 iirc | 15:53 |
| clarkb | brokencycle: if you have logs you can share that may be helpful for debugging | 15:53 |
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| lbragstad | smcginnis: jungleboyj mriedem we did come to consensus on an initial approach for unified limits - the spec just merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/ | 17:58 |
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| smcginnis | lbragstad: Great - thanks for the heads up! | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | yep - let us know if you have questions from a consuming-service perspective | 17:59 |
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| jungleboyj | lbragstad: Thanks, I will take a look. | 18:27 |
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| ihrachys | zzzeek, heya! | 20:47 |
| zzzeek | hey ihar | 20:47 |
| ihrachys | zzzeek, about that flush error I was asking the other day | 20:47 |
| ihrachys | I read logs some more and I think I misread them in the past somewhat. flusherror happens after retry decorator triggered in the same thread / handler | 20:48 |
| ihrachys | so I am thinking, maybe it's the previous attempt 'cached' previous state of the IPAllocation object in the session; then we retry to create the same model again and get the flush eror | 20:48 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: if the retry decorator is keeping the same session in place and you are creating a new object iwht the same PK that would be there from the previos retry then yes | 20:49 |
| ihrachys | would calling expire_all / refresh / expire on retry triggered help in that case? | 20:49 |
| ihrachys | I was digging expire and found this patch of kevinbenton from a while ago that does expire_all on retry: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370686/ | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: mmm to clean out the .new collection....you need to either rollback() or expunge_all() | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: you can't expire an object that wasnt flushed yet | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: usually wehn you "retry", you've gotten an error and you want to throw away the transaction. if you need that within a transaction, there's a savepoint in place | 20:50 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: because what if that row did get flushed, then you retry...you need to roll back the transaction | 20:50 |
| ihrachys | zzzeek, we use context manager for context.session.begin so it should rollback already no? | 20:51 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: i never know w/ neutron b.c. half the time im looking at a plugin that does everything differently | 20:53 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: neutron main is supposed to be on enginefacade which doesn't call begin() | 20:53 |
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| ihrachys | this is the method that is 'retried': http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py#n683 | 20:53 |
| ihrachys | zzzeek, I think enginefacade migration was not completed and then contributor left | 20:54 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: IIUC this will throw an exception, retry decorator catches it, and since there is no transaction declared inside the method, like a savepoint, no rollback | 20:54 |
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| ihrachys | zzzeek, add_auto_addrs_on_network_ports in line 692 is the method that will open transaction with .begin | 20:55 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: Ann Kamyshnikova ? she left ? | 20:56 |
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| ihrachys | well she definitely reduced her involvement. I see her from time to time but not often. | 20:56 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: if it uses the context manager then an exception throw will trigger a rollback and the session will be empty | 20:57 |
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| ihrachys | which means that whatever creates dup IPAllocations is called consequently inside the retried method and can't span retries? | 20:59 |
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| ihrachys | this is where add_auto_addrs... is defined: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/db/ipam_pluggable_backend.py#n449 | 21:01 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: im not sure, im saying that if the session.begin() occurs inside of add_auto_addrs_on_network_ports(), then it will rollback everyting it does if an exception occurs | 21:01 |
| ihrachys | the IPAllocation models are exposed through relationships of Port: Port.fixed_ips | 21:02 |
| ihrachys | and we also create them directly with .add | 21:02 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if that could be a problem | 21:02 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: So i see two exceptions being caught and not re-raised | 21:03 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: but those wont trigger your retry either if they dont raise | 21:03 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: i also see some enginefacade shoved in there...wow | 21:03 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: this code makes no sense | 21:04 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: it is using non-enginefacade: with context.session.begin(subtransactions=True): then inside that, its using enginefacade: with db_api.context_manager.writer.using(context): | 21:04 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: i have no idea what that will do | 21:04 |
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| ihrachys | should we replace writer.using with context.session.begin(subtransactions=True) for the time being? I am not sure whoever touched the code lately was fully aware of distinction between two. | 21:05 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: "Do the insertion of each IP allocation entry within | 21:06 |
| zzzeek | # the context of a nested transaction, so that the entry | 21:06 |
| zzzeek | # is rolled back independently of other entries whenever | 21:06 |
| zzzeek | # the corresponding port has been deleted." what is a "nested" transaction, do they want to use a SAVEPOINT? | 21:06 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: or do they want to use a totally new, indepndent transaction ? | 21:06 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: so we don't have ann or kevin benton anymore to look into this? b.c. they were following the patterns on this | 21:07 |
| ihrachys | they probably don't want to bubble up right away because we need to call deallocate for ipam driver before failing, otherwise the latter may not be aware of the address it just 'allocated' not being used because of the faiulure. | 21:07 |
| zzzeek | im really shocked that enginefacade integration in neutron main stopped, and that the codebase is now stuck using both styles, that is realy bad considering how pervasive neutron's problems with creating resources with retry are | 21:08 |
| ihrachys | zzzeek, yeah we don't have any of them. | 21:08 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: someone in neutron has to be the new person to work with this stuff | 21:08 |
| ihrachys | but then, maybe I read the code wrong because the only case where we call deallocate for ipam driver is db_exc.DBReferenceError | 21:09 |
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| ihrachys | I will talk to mlavalle about the mess | 21:10 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: is allocated.create() where the error is originating? | 21:11 |
| ihrachys | yeah. it's our object that essentially just does another begin(subtransactions=True) and .add inside | 21:12 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: theres *another* begin() inside that??? | 21:12 |
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| ihrachys | sorry, it does db_api.autonested_transaction | 21:12 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: which is...the same thing | 21:12 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: the point of enginefacade is to get rid of all those broken patterns | 21:13 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: the moment someone years ago typed the words "begin(subtransactions=True)" in openstack, that was the first step to disaster | 21:13 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: that flag is there literally to stop people from nesting begins without knowing what they are doing | 21:14 |
| zzzeek | it's like a "OK you know what you're doing right?" flag | 21:14 |
| ihrachys | yeah, the pattern is 'I dunno where it's called from and why, so let's sprinke some magic and see if it helps' | 21:14 |
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| ihrachys | but regardless, shouldn't all nested transactions unravel correctly when error happens? and session will be empty? | 21:16 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: yes but i dont know that the mixture of context.session.begin and db_api.context_manager.writer.using() are going to play nicely togehter | 21:17 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: also the "flush_on_subtransaction" ann refers to there has been merged months ago | 21:17 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: i did that with kevin | 21:17 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: but also from the point of view of the database, if you are not using a savepoint, nothing is "nested". there's just a single transaction. it gets rolled back | 21:18 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: unless you are using two different sessions | 21:18 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: the use of savepoints looks like session.begin_nested() in the old system and context_manager.writer.savepoint.using() it the new system | 21:19 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: what's needed here is to design exactly what rows you want to SELECT/ INSERT / etc. within what transactions, like a sequence diagram | 21:20 |
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| ihrachys | zzzeek, the embedded 'subtransaction' logic is to be able to proceed with allocating addresses for other ports if one of them failed. for what I understand, if you don't have a subtransaction and reference error is raised, you can't safely proceed with the session | 21:24 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: a "subtransaction" is nothing, it is not real | 21:24 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: it is just code in a block | 21:25 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: you are talking about a savepoint | 21:25 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: a savepoint is a point at which you can partially roll back towards in a database transacvtion, while retaining the changes that proceeded before the savaepoint was established | 21:25 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: the "autonested" thing, I need to look at it, that might be doing begin_nested() which does do a savepoint | 21:26 |
| ihrachys | right. that's what begin(subtransactions=True) does right? | 21:26 |
| ihrachys | autonested_transaction does: | 21:27 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: nope | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | if sess.is_active: | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | session_context = sess.begin(nested=True) | 21:27 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: nested=True is a savepoint | 21:27 |
| zzzeek | subtransctions=TRue is not | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | oh ok. | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | hm see here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404715/52/neutron/db/ipam_pluggable_backend.py | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | I think the replacement was not retaining semantics | 21:27 |
| ihrachys | this is the patch that Ann landed as part of facade work | 21:28 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: if you run a test and turn on connection_debug=50 for oslo.db you will see ROLLBACK TO SAVEPOINT, BEGIN SAVEPOINT etc int he logs | 21:28 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachys: yes, that is correct | 21:29 |
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| ihrachys | and since objects already do nested, we shouldn't need any line above .create() at all | 21:29 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: though also i dont know what the interaction of db_api.context_manager and context.session would be, it is likely they are the same session | 21:29 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: yah maybe, it woudl be good if you could run it with logging and confirm | 21:30 |
| zzzeek | ihrachys: but yes that patch does appear to change semantics | 21:30 |
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| ihrachys | ok I will try to kill the writer.using since it doesn't make sense anyway | 21:32 |
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| ihrachys | zzzeek, btw flush_on_transaction was already applied in neutron-lib: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-lib/tree/neutron_lib/db/api.py#n25 | 22:19 |
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