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| slaweq | hello, is git.openstack.org down for everyone or it's only me? | 07:52 |
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| kashyap | slaweq: Only you :-) | 07:57 |
| slaweq | kashyap: yep, I just found that it works from my mobile :/ | 07:57 |
| kashyap | slaweq: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/git.openstack.org | 07:57 |
| kashyap | :-) | 07:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: any chance I pick your brain around tooz and etcd3-gw? | 12:30 |
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| dims | johnthetubaguy : sure | 12:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: so good news, networking-generic-switch had a good that needs tooz for locking, and they used that. | 12:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: I dug deep and say our http client for etcd | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | been thinking about how to deploy this | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | three neutron servers, each have etcd on them | 12:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | does the locking to make sure number of ssh connections is correct using a lock on etcd, all good ness | 12:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: questions is what URLs to give each of the neutron server | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: I see the options of: each talk to localhost, each talk to HA proxy, each given a list of all the known hosts | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: are there docs on what is the correct thing to do? | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: seems like the last option would be my preferred option, but doesn't seem possible in tooz, unless I miss-read the code | 12:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: sorry, totally bombarded you with info there! | 12:35 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : there are multiple ways to setup etcd clusters, here's the static one - https://coreos.com/etcd/docs/latest/op-guide/clustering.html#static | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: I missed a bit, kolla-ansible is using the static setup | 12:40 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : advertise-client-urls is basically the url we need to specify in the openstack service config file - | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: I got the impression that was local to each host, let me double check kolla-ansible | 12:41 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/kolla-ansible/tree/ansible/roles/etcd/defaults/main.yml#n12 | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: thats the one | 12:43 |
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| dims | johnthetubaguy : we'd need "{{ internal_protocol }}://{{ api_interface_address }}:{{ etcd_client_port }}" in the nova or neutron config file | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: without a LB in place, thats going to be three different URLs I thought? | 12:43 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : no need for LB's. the static cluster talks to each other | 12:43 |
| dims | like rabbitmq | 12:44 |
| dims | yes 3 different url(s) | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, that bit I fine with | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just if I only configure with one URL, if that node dies, I can't talk to etcd | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | some tools seem to take a list of URLs, but not tooz | 12:45 |
| dims | the nova or neutron process on that node will be the only ones talking to etcd on that node that died | 12:45 |
| dims | no? | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, its not terrible, just not idea | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | ideal | 12:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we gave it a list, if we take out the etc on that node (upgrade or whatever) we just fail over to the next node, etc | 12:46 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : let me check the kubernetes docs, to see if they do anything different | 12:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: thanks, appreciate going through that, sounds like our plan A is the way you would suggest, each node speaks to their own | 12:47 |
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| dims | johnthetubaguy : the kube-apiserver seems to allow multiple etcd servers in a list (http://dims.dynu.net:6080/?q=--etcd-servers&i=nope&files=&repos=kubernetes), so yeah, we should consider adding that support in tooz and etcd3-gateway | 12:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | dim: cool, thanks, these folks might be tempted to help add that, not sure yet | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: I think they saw something similar with vault, but I couldn't find that in the config | 12:58 |
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| dims | johnthetubaguy : https://www.vaultproject.io/docs/configuration/storage/etcd.html#address | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: heh, thanks, I was totally on the wrong doc page | 13:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dim: I guess one quick thing, 3.2.5 is probably new enough, I think thats CentOS 7 latest, seems to have the new interface | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess the tip is only 3.2.8, so that's not too bad I guess | 13:04 |
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| dims | johnthetubaguy : the kubernetes folks are on 3.1.x still - https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/49393 so yes, 3.2.x should be good | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks for your help! | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | (as always!) | 13:06 |
| dims | :) my pleasure | 13:06 |
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| mriedem | SpamapS: can you explain what you mean when you continue to say that the rebuild feature in nova is not "scalable"? | 15:57 |
| mriedem | i'm not really sure what that feature has to do with scalability | 15:57 |
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| mriedem | SpamapS: do you mean the time spent waiting for the server to rebuild rather than just create a new one? | 15:58 |
| SpamapS | mriedem: VMs that stick around forever make the HV's more precious. | 15:58 |
| SpamapS | Just creating a new one means pushing the load to a hypervisor that the scheduler wants new load to go to. | 15:59 |
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| mriedem | you can live migrate the vm to another hv if you need to drop the old one | 15:59 |
| SpamapS | live migration is quite a bit more costly than spinning up a new one. | 16:00 |
| mriedem | yeah i'm not saying it's ideal, or the first thing you'd want to do | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | and it has to happen when the operator decides to do it, instead of when the user decides. | 16:00 |
| dansmith | SpamapS: that depends on your arch really | 16:00 |
| SpamapS | dansmith: indeed, rbd backed make it a pretty quick RAM transfer. :) | 16:01 |
| dansmith | SpamapS: with shared storage and postcopy, it's not really heavier | 16:01 |
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| SpamapS | dansmith: I'm a big proponent of shared storage and basically always paying the cost of migration, rather than doing it all at once, when you're in an emergency. | 16:01 |
| dansmith | not sure why it matters given it's a widely used feature | 16:01 |
| SpamapS | It also is something that operators have to support, another surface for failure to get below the cloud and out of self-service. | 16:03 |
| mriedem | clarify "it" here, rebuild or live migrate? | 16:03 |
| SpamapS | rebuild | 16:03 |
| mriedem | you can disable rebuild via policy if you really want to | 16:03 |
| SpamapS | I definitely want to. :) | 16:03 |
| mriedem | problem solved | 16:04 |
| mriedem | disable shelve while you're at it | 16:04 |
| SpamapS | But I also want cellsv2 migration from cellsv1 working. Is that done? (I honestly don't know.) | 16:04 |
| mriedem | ask cern | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | SpamapS: you're at godaddy now right? and they have cellsv1. | 16:04 |
| SpamapS | We're stuck on Liberty, pondering just freezing our Liberty cloud and spinning up a Pike cloud with cellsv2 | 16:04 |
| mriedem | we haven't heard anything from them since boston | 16:04 |
| SpamapS | Every upgrade is a few weeks of porting cellsv1 patches forward. | 16:05 |
| mriedem | clean split is one way to go | 16:05 |
| SpamapS | It would be worth it to keep the cloud running if we knew there was an automatic migration waiting for us around Pike time. | 16:06 |
| SpamapS | (I might even be able to contribute to such a migration) | 16:06 |
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| SpamapS | But to keep things on topic.. the point is, of course I can turn rebuild off. But Nova dev supporting and expanding rebuild means ya'll are not working on the hundreds of bugs, and features that I actually do need. | 16:07 |
| sdague | SpamapS: it's a feature that at least 4 operator teams have said is useful, and it's functionally pretty small and contained, and doesn't back us into any corners | 16:08 |
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| mriedem | SpamapS: nova dev is not working on an automated cells v1 migratoin | 16:09 |
| sdague | also asked for by teams that provide a lot of upstream support / feedback | 16:09 |
| mriedem | SpamapS: none of us work for companies that have large cells v1 clusters, pre-prod or otherwise, to test any of that kind of development | 16:10 |
| mriedem | there are some basic docs and CLIs but we'd need actual feedback from existing cells v1 deployments on if those are helpful and if not, what is missing | 16:10 |
| SpamapS | mriedem: seems like the migration would actually be pretty straight forward. Slurp all the instances out of each cell into the cells db, possibly with a notification consumer so it stays up to date. Upgrade each cell to cellsv2. Upgrade API to use shiny new cellsv2 which is already populated with lookups. I'm sure there are nasty details hidden though. | 16:11 |
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| sdague | SpamapS: you are definitely welcome to dive into it. We've been down this path on the n-net -> neutron bit, where it's complicated enough with folks local environments that "should be simple" is not. And it requires a ton of validation. | 16:12 |
| sdague | And, to the best of my knowledge, no one runs cells v1 upstream in production | 16:13 |
| sdague | it's all with local patches as well | 16:13 |
| SpamapS | sdague: I don't mean to demean the feature or those that use it. It's a transitional feature though, IMO. Cloud native things shouldn't need rebuild. | 16:13 |
| sdague | that's fine | 16:13 |
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| sdague | but people don't only use openstack for cloud native things | 16:14 |
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| SpamapS | So true, such as, my employer. :) | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | As klindgren says "Turns out people like keeping cows as pets." | 16:15 |
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| mriedem | SpamapS: "expanding rebuild means ya'll are not working on the hundreds of bugs, and features that I actually do need." - what bug fixes and features do you need? | 16:15 |
| mriedem | not trying to be an ass, | 16:15 |
| mriedem | it's a legitimate request for feedback | 16:15 |
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| sdague | or, in a less flippant way, it turns out some problems are worth automating into HA 12 factor land, because of the payoff | 16:15 |
| mriedem | the user survey does'nt provide that | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | mriedem: to be honest, most of our most pressing bugs are already fixed in Mitaka, Newton, Ocata, and Pike. | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | and we have backported some to our nasty old Liberty | 16:16 |
| sdague | and some are just fine to be manual doinking around VMs | 16:16 |
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| mriedem | SpamapS: heh, i've had that discussion internally a lot lately too... | 16:16 |
| mriedem | "you know, this is fixed in pike..." | 16:16 |
| sdague | that require a human to do things to them from time to time, because that human's time over a year is orders of magnitude less than 12 factoring | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | sdague: +1, pets never go away. :) | 16:17 |
| sdague | mriedem: heh, maybe if people didn't build giant forks | 16:17 |
| sdague | and could upgrade | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | Right, the problem is we're forked hard. | 16:17 |
| mriedem | sdague: hey, if openstack were public cloud ready (tm) then those forks wouldn't be needed | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | My understanding is the Liberty upgrade consumed 2 people for 6 months. | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | And then they were like "oh crap, in that time, 2 more releases came out" | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | So we're trying to accelerate our own automation to make all the things that aren't porting patches forward go faster. | 16:18 |
| sdague | right, first rule of open source, never maintain a long term fork | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | But it would be nice to be _dropping_ patches at the end of that rainbow. | 16:18 |
| mriedem | you've basically described the same issue we have internally | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | sdague: in hindsight, I wonder if OpenStack would have been better served by merging cellsv1 | 16:19 |
| SpamapS | I've been railing against its complexity for years. But I've come to grips with the need for control plane sharding that cellsv2 provides. I'm glad we'll have a scaling answer built-in now. | 16:19 |
| mriedem | you meant *not* merging cellsv1 right? | 16:20 |
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| SpamapS | mriedem: my understanding is that cellsv1 users almost all maintain large patch stacks on top of it. Am I mistaken? | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | And that at some point, there was basically a hard decision no to merge any cellsv1 related patches, and focus on v2. | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | I may have my history wrong, since I was on the "we don't need no steenking cells" train for a while and thus probably not paying attention to the code around it. | 16:24 |
| mriedem | SpamapS: i don't know how large the patches godaddy has vs for example cern, | 16:25 |
| mriedem | for feature function or just bug fixes | 16:25 |
| mriedem | there was a decision at one point to feature freeze cells v1 to focus on v2 | 16:26 |
| SpamapS | Right. We have a stack of patches to give us some networking separation via cellsv1 I think. I believe they came from Nektar | 16:26 |
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| mriedem | there was an etherpad of collected cells v1 patches from large cells v1 deployments, maybe around the time of the milan ops meetup? | 16:28 |
| mriedem | i remember going through it at the time and pointing out that several were just bug fixes that no one had taken the time to upstream | 16:28 |
| mriedem | there were other major things for feature parity in the api which we didn't accept b/c we froze cells v1 | 16:28 |
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| SpamapS | mriedem: also are there any large cellsv2 deployments that you know of? | 16:33 |
| SpamapS | Or is it still just a little bit too new for anybody to have done something that crazy. ;) | 16:34 |
| mriedem | not that i know of, not multi-cell anyway | 16:35 |
| mriedem | pike is the first release to support multi-cell in the api | 16:35 |
| mriedem | and not many large deployments are goign to be at pike yet | 16:35 |
| SpamapS | Right, was hoping there was maybe some intrepid user who had gotten ahead of the curve. ;) | 16:35 |
| mriedem | cern is going to be the first one i think | 16:35 |
| mriedem | belmiro is supposedly cooking up the plan for their upgrade | 16:36 |
| mriedem | tssurya: ^ | 16:36 |
| SpamapS | I'll definitely be interested in how that goes. | 16:36 |
| SpamapS | We'll be on Mitaka soon-ish, and then we need to evaluate whether or not to keep plowing through up to Pike or build a fresh new Pike/Queens cloud with cellsv2 and just migrate our workloads and HV's over time. | 16:37 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: ok don | 16:52 |
| mriedem | *done | 16:52 |
| dansmith | mriedem: wrong channel? | 16:53 |
| mriedem | uh yes | 16:53 |
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| xarses | Given the openstack python sdk, how is one expected to CRUD flavor properties? https://developer.openstack.org/sdks/python/openstacksdk/users/proxies/compute.html Seems to have no clue, and flavor_create took kwargs from me that it did nothing with (I initially figured that sending properties would have done it, but its ignored | 17:59 |
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| eumel8 | hi | 20:28 |
| eumel8 | JFYI: translation import jobs are back. Pls give your +WF to push back translations to the repos. | 20:28 |
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| mriedem | xarses: did you try asking in the #openstack-sdks channel? | 20:41 |
| xarses | nope, too many channels, too few pointers to them | 20:42 |
| mriedem | google openstack ir | 20:42 |
| mriedem | *irc | 20:42 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IRC | 20:42 |
| mriedem | top hit | 20:42 |
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| mriedem | i have no idea if it's a dead channel or not, but it's worth a shot | 20:42 |
| xarses | ya, no. Id expect the documentation to point to the right place | 20:42 |
| xarses | which it points nowhere | 20:43 |
| mriedem | i know mrhillsman loves sdks so maybe he's there | 20:43 |
| mrhillsman | reading | 20:43 |
| xarses | nearly every wiki page I've come to via google is many many many ... many releases old | 20:43 |
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| mriedem | so not knowing anything about the sdk code, | 20:44 |
| mriedem | you come into https://github.com/openstack/python-openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/compute/v2/_proxy.py#L69 | 20:44 |
| mriedem | and pass through some kwargs | 20:44 |
| xarses | https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#flavors-extra-specs-flavors-os-flavor-extra-specs is the missing api | 20:45 |
| mriedem | which i guess should be for the properties in this thing https://github.com/openstack/python-openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/compute/v2/flavor.py#L33 | 20:45 |
| mriedem | ok so you can't create a flavor with extra specs | 20:45 |
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| xarses | well you can do it in the cli, soo *bashes head into all the desks* | 20:45 |
| mriedem | which cli? | 20:46 |
| mriedem | openstackclient? | 20:46 |
| xarses | I only found the api via --debug --verbose | 20:46 |
| xarses | yep | 20:46 |
| mriedem | yeah extra specs is separate | 20:46 |
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| mriedem | ok, so anything osc is doing is just papering over the calls as a convenience | 20:46 |
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| mriedem | something the sdk should do too... | 20:46 |
| mriedem | wow i didn't realize you couldn't specify extra specs on flavors in the sdk | 20:46 |
| mriedem | kind of important... | 20:46 |
| xarses | yes, note the hed desk | 20:46 |
| xarses | s/hed/head | 20:47 |
| mriedem | mrhillsman: i thought i heard something about the company you work for caring about implementing gaps in the sdks? | 20:47 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 20:47 |
| mrhillsman | you did my friend | 20:47 |
| mriedem | well tarnations | 20:47 |
| mriedem | ok so again, not knowing shit about the sdk code, | 20:48 |
| mrhillsman | seems like a reasonable one to care about :) | 20:48 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/python-openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/compute/v2/flavor.py#L20 is the API | 20:48 |
| mriedem | like https://github.com/openstack/python-openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/compute/v2/flavor.py#L59 | 20:48 |
| mriedem | ok | 20:48 |
| mriedem | so there should be like a FlavorExtraSpec class | 20:48 |
| mriedem | i wonder how good the ci is on this project | 20:48 |
| mriedem | or who would know if anyone is already working on this | 20:49 |
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| mriedem | because i'm interested in a side project | 20:49 |
| mriedem | a side hustle if you will | 20:49 |
| clarkb | mriedem: I hear the vikings need help at running back | 20:49 |
| mriedem | my knees won't help them either | 20:49 |
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| mriedem | or my passing arm | 20:49 |
| mrhillsman | dtroyer maybe is or knows? | 20:50 |
| mriedem | xarses: well let me apologize on behalf of the sdk for not having this basic functionality | 20:50 |
| * dtroyer pokes head in… | 20:50 | |
| mriedem | it's in novaclient of course, but i'm guessing you want to use the sdk for the sdk | 20:50 |
| xarses | should I just create a https://developer.openstack.org/sdks/python/openstacksdk/users/resource2.html then and figure out how to map the base and id? | 20:51 |
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| dtroyer | The SDK is known to be a bit behind on microversion stuffs | 20:51 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: this is not even close to a microversion | 20:51 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: the sdk doesn't support flavor extra specs | 20:51 |
| dtroyer | ok, I don't knwo where that came into being | 20:51 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: how would one find out if anyone is already working on this? assuming jump in the sdks channel and ask around/ | 20:52 |
| mriedem | ? | 20:52 |
| xarses | uh, ya I can use novaclient, didn't know it had it | 20:52 |
| dtroyer | ask in -sdks, briancurtin still checks in occasionally so it's a safe bet he is probably not working on it, but there are others scratching their particular itches | 20:52 |
| xarses | its not the first thing that's missing (:cough: neutron dhcp agents :cough") but its the first issue I've had with nova | 20:53 |
| mriedem | xarses: https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/v2/flavors.py#L55 | 20:53 |
| dtroyer | fwiw, if/when OSC ever switches to use the SDK for compute I anticipate find a LOT of these things... | 20:53 |
| dtroyer | The SDK is known to be at least as complete as OSC on NEtwork API, as OSC uses only the SDK there | 20:54 |
| xarses | mriedem: woot, thanks | 20:54 |
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| mriedem | np | 20:55 |
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| xarses | dtroyer: as of 0.9.14, its missing neutron.list_dhcp_agent_hosting_networks neutron.remove_network_from_dhcp_agent neutron.add_network_to_dhcp_agent and I couldn't ever find how to do neutron.list_agents(agent_type='DHCP agent') | 20:57 |
| xarses | neutron being an instance of get_legacy_client('network') from os_client_config | 20:58 |
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| dtroyer | os-client-config uses neutronclient, so totally different code, OSC does not use that | 20:58 |
| dtroyer | I am not surprise it may be incomplete | 20:59 |
| xarses | I normally work with an instance of os_client_config.make_sdk() | 20:59 |
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| dtroyer | o-c-c muddies thoe waters a bit, osc avoids that entire module | 21:00 |
| xarses | osc as in the cli client? | 21:01 |
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| dtroyer | yes, openstackclient | 21:02 |
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| xarses | oh, ya its missing the dhcp agent calls also, but OSC can give me network agents. I wasn't able to at the time I wrote that to figure it out via the SDK | 21:03 |
| dtroyer | Anything OSC does have for Network is via the SDK so it may be helpful to look there | 21:03 |
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| xarses | thanks all | 21:07 |
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| xarses | I have a way forward and can erase my popen call =P | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | heh np | 21:08 |
| mriedem | xarses: novaclient is going to have the most nova python api binding support for a python library out there | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | because the nova team maintains it and makes sure the latest microversions are implemented in it | 21:08 |
| xarses | =( | 21:08 |
| mriedem | there is shade, which i haven't used, but heard good things, but it doesn't have microversions | 21:09 |
| mriedem | as far as i know | 21:09 |
| xarses | I'm only trying to use this on a Mitaka cloud | 21:09 |
| mriedem | novaclient should work on your mitaka cloud | 21:09 |
| xarses | ya, but the client interface isn't as uniform as sdk is | 21:10 |
| mordred | mriedem: it totally has microversions | 21:10 |
| mriedem | mordred: oh didn't realize | 21:10 |
| mriedem | thought that was wip | 21:10 |
| mriedem | xarses: right, i won't say novaclient isn't full of weird warts | 21:10 |
| mordred | mriedem: well - it's always WIP because just having them doesn't mean *using* them in a manner that makes sense | 21:11 |
| xarses | its the best of the in project clients, dont get me wrong | 21:11 |
| xarses | but I love that I can expect every interface to behave the same from sdk | 21:11 |
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| mordred | that is a good thing :) | 21:12 |
| mordred | xarses: is your current issue just related to flavor extra specs - or should I read more of the scrollback | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | mordred: the sdk doesn't support extra specs | 21:13 |
| mriedem | is the main point | 21:13 |
| mriedem | i'm trying to figure out if i should think about working on that in the sdk | 21:13 |
| mriedem | as a side project | 21:13 |
| xarses | flavor extra-specs was the main issue, everything else was riffing on completeness of the sdk | 21:13 |
| mordred | nod. | 21:14 |
| mordred | well - I tend to recommend people use shade if they're doing python-based development to consume the openstack APIs | 21:14 |
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| mordred | we just adopted the sdk codebase into the shade team, so I'm expecting to do a bunch of merging stuff over the next cycle | 21:15 |
| xarses | I give shade to shade, because IDK what it's doing for me | 21:15 |
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| mordred | xarses: it's the python SDK that we use behind ansible's OpenStack modules (and soon salt's as well) as well as openstack-infra's nodepool project | 21:16 |
| mordred | https://docs.openstack.org/shade/latest/ | 21:17 |
| mordred | xarses: it's main focus so far has been on hiding deployer differences between different openstack clouds so that you can write code that works across clouds well, but what it does may not be what everyone is looking for out of an SDK, which is, of course, fine | 21:18 |
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| xarses | story of our lives | 21:19 |
| xarses | =) | 21:19 |
| mriedem | mordred: is there anything that states what the max supported microversion is in shade? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | i'm looking through docs and release notes | 21:19 |
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| mordred | mriedem: 'max supported microversion' isn't really a concept that makes sense from a shade pov | 21:21 |
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| dtroyer | mriedem: the notion of max-supported-microversion for a client is a bit different, as I don't know of anyone who intends to supprt every microversion in order, IOW, that notion just doesn't make sense (to me anyway). | 21:22 |
| mriedem | well, there are microversions which take different things in the request, or return different things in the response | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | and presumably the client lib needs to know how to handle those differences | 21:22 |
| dtroyer | sure, for the specific API that is changed | 21:22 |
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| mordred | yah - but on a call by call basis | 21:22 |
| mriedem | right, which is what novaclient does | 21:22 |
| dtroyer | but if I add support for 2.51, that is not going to imply that I also support 2.50 | 21:22 |
| mordred | no - novaclient does it globally at the constructor time | 21:22 |
| mriedem | i'm not talking about that | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | i mean like this https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/v2/quota_classes.py#L51 | 21:23 |
| mriedem | if making a PUT /os-quota-class-sets request, | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | novaclient python api binding code knows which things can go in the request based on microversion | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | or, for example, | 21:24 |
| dtroyer | right. but the notion of max-supported-version would imply that 2.49 is also implemented and supports (which may be true for novaclient, but not necessarily any other client) | 21:24 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack-infra/shade/blob/master/shade/openstackcloud.py#L6507 would fail for 2.37 | 21:24 |
| mriedem | and passing nics='auto' | 21:24 |
| mordred | yah - I understand - I'm saying that since they are opt-in, for each call that shade may make it will want to decide if it wants to do so with a microversio - like if there is any benefit to doing so | 21:24 |
| mordred | mriedem: yah- but shade does not request 2.37 for that call | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so you can pass a microversion to use? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | *can't | 21:25 |
| mordred | nope. and never will be able to | 21:25 |
| mordred | that's for shade to deal with for you | 21:25 |
| mriedem | ok, i didn't realize that then | 21:25 |
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| clarkb | because the idea is you tell shade what you want, then it figures out how to make that happen in $cloud. That includes figuring out public IP addressing but alos which microversion is required to perform an action etc | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ok so using the 2.37 example, if shade checked that nics was a string with value 'auto' or 'none' it would check to see if it can request 2.37 and if not, fail | 21:26 |
| mriedem | right? | 21:26 |
| mordred | so - when we add support for nics='auto' - we'll add client-side code in shade to do what nedes to be done - and if the cloud supports server-side nics='auto', then we'll use it, otherwise we'll simulate client-side | 21:26 |
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| mordred | mriedem: yes | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ok, got it | 21:26 |
| mordred | mriedem: or - it would simulate the behavior by creating the correct objects with additional api calls | 21:26 |
| mordred | mriedem: all of that is to say - we now support doing things with microversions - but as of yet have not added many calls or logical branches that take advantage of this | 21:27 |
| mordred | (basically just finished the python-*client ectomy, so I expect much work realted to that sort of thing this cycle) | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | final question | 21:30 |
| mriedem | we can still all be friends right? | 21:30 |
| xarses | morded nics=callback? | 21:31 |
| xarses | I have a weird topology where network assignment is very hard for openstack to work with | 21:31 |
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| xarses | basically I have routed provider networks, w/o the openstack version to support it, And I've had to write quite a bit to work around it already | 21:33 |
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| mordred | mriedem: of course we can! | 21:35 |
| mordred | xarses: oh - that sounds like fun indeed - what would a callback to nics do in your case? | 21:35 |
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| xarses | I have to go magic the az out of the compute node that it might end up on and then match it to network that works in that az | 21:37 |
| mriedem | whew | 21:37 |
| xarses | also, I have to work around small subnets so I might have to throw out az's based on the vlan not having ip's | 21:38 |
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| xarses | as it stands I "pre schedule" vm's to a az and network with availability | 21:38 |
| xarses | because its awful to figure by hand | 21:39 |
| mordred | xarses: well - fwiw, it's not THAT much crazier than the auto_ip logic we already have - although I think your particular case might be hard to add because normal end users don't have much visibility into compute nodes | 21:39 |
| clarkb | I thought neutron tracked IP availability even with provider networks (because it still runs dhcp for them right?) | 21:40 |
| mordred | xarses: but we've actually got a ton of logic to try to figure out which neutron metworks might be the ones that provide the thing you're looking for | 21:40 |
| mriedem | sort of sounds like the routed networks-based scheduling stuff with nova + placement + neutron... | 21:40 |
| clarkb | I guess it may not expose that to you very well if looking to select a network/az based on that | 21:40 |
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| mordred | "xarses | basically I have routed provider networks, w/o the openstack version to support it," ... | 21:40 |
| mordred | so I think that means the openstack in question is not new enough to have the nova + placement + neutron support | 21:40 |
| xarses | ya, also they are new data structures for the newtworks | 21:41 |
| xarses | and a quick scan implies no migration too for existing networks | 21:41 |
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| mriedem | mordred: that's a trick | 21:42 |
| mriedem | "nova + placement + neutron support" isn't a thing yet | 21:42 |
| mriedem | :) | 21:42 |
| mriedem | except in specs | 21:42 |
| mriedem | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/implemented/neutron-routed-networks.html | 21:42 |
| xarses | the cloud in question is on Mitaka | 21:42 |
| mordred | mriedem: well then - it makes sense that it doesn't exist in that cloud :) | 21:42 |
| mriedem | hey, at least we're working on updating the rebuild API! | 21:43 |
| mriedem | because SpamapS said he couldn't live without rebuild | 21:43 |
| mordred | people keep telling me we should explore using rebuild ... | 21:44 |
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| tonyb | diablo_rojo_phon: https://review.openstack.org/509654 when you have time ;P | 21:50 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | tonyb: getting my laptop out now :) | 22:18 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo_phon: Thanks. Sorry to intrude. | 22:19 |
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| tonyb | diablo_rojo_phon: Can *can* do code review on a phone (not that I'd *ever* do that) | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | tonyb: I'd argue with the new gerrit change screen it's impossible. With the old gerrit change screen it was possible, but not the best | 22:22 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: fir call I admit I hvaen't done it since the update | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | although some one did tell me about an android gerrit app, I've never tried it though | 22:23 |
| clarkb | the update is much much better | 22:23 |
| clarkb | fwiw | 22:23 |
| clarkb | you can actually comment on diffs and it shows you unified diff by default on mobile | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: 2 * 0 = ? | 22:23 |
| clarkb | its still not amazing or anything but way more useable | 22:23 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | tonyb: not intruding at all :) I had to get it out anyway to deal with some other things. | 22:27 |
| tonyb | curse those other things! life would be so much easier without them ;P | 22:28 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Haha indeed | 22:34 |
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