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| ldl | ask a question. | 10:43 |
| ldl | : the openstack user's password is use which encryption method? | 10:43 |
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| ldl | who can help me with this? | 11:22 |
| ldl | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/110171/whats-the-encryption-method-does-the-openstack-user-password-use/ | 11:22 |
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| fungi | ldl: for the current release, keystone (if storing passwords itself) lets you choose between pbkdf2 and bcrypt. i don't have time to dig up references for you right now, but you might have more luck asking in #openstack-keystone instead of in here | 12:01 |
| fungi | or tag your question on ask.o.o with "keystone" if you haven't already | 12:02 |
| fungi | that might attract people who have subscribed to that tag specifically | 12:02 |
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| ldl | ok | 12:03 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | sdague: Hi these two needs your attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490903/5, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500753/ whenever you get time. | 12:58 |
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| sdague | Dinesh_Bhor: cool, those look good | 13:01 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | sdague: thank you | 13:02 |
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| sdague | Dinesh_Bhor: actually, one issue with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500753/2 after I checked by centos vm | 13:03 |
| sdague | it should be an easy fix, just detect location of kill with which before setting it in the unit files | 13:03 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | sdague: Okay, I will do that, thanks | 13:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: are you around for a quick VM & BM SIG catchup? | 13:34 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: yep | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: thanks for the updates over on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-vmbm | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: wondering about the best timing for going through things | 13:35 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: i was curious about that too | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: would tuesday afternoon work for you? | 13:36 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: i know for keystone i blocked off two half days to dedicated to baremetal/vm discussions | 13:36 |
| lbragstad | which is pretty broad | 13:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: ah, you mean in the keystone room later in the week? | 13:36 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: no on monday and tuesday | 13:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: ah, got you | 13:37 |
| lbragstad | i just didn't want to get double booked when baremetal/vm sessions were happening | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: I think I saw that on your etherpad now you mention it | 13:37 |
| lbragstad | i listed those https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-queens-ptg | 13:37 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, there is a heap of that that is keystone related, so it would be good to work through that | 13:37 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that's kinda what i was thinking | 13:37 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: do you have an idea in mind of when you want to talk about other things? | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | Upgrades has its own thing I think | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | for me I want to be in the TC room for quite a lot of those discussions | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I was thinking of slotting a communication bit around that stuff | 13:39 |
| lbragstad | that makes sense | 13:39 |
| lbragstad | if we want to talk about unified limits, i think we should have morgan present | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ | 13:39 |
| lbragstad | and he'll be there tuesday for sure | 13:39 |
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| lbragstad | would three hours on tuesday be enough time to go through all the keystone-related baremetal/vm topics? | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | unsure really | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I want to make sure we keep time for general communication stuff, we haven't really done anything on that | 13:42 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 13:42 |
| lbragstad | we can break the keystone stuff up too | 13:42 |
| lbragstad | between two days if that makes it easier | 13:42 |
| lbragstad | we've allocated for it on our end | 13:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: sorry distracted looking through all these etherpads, probably better to keep your plan A on timings | 13:57 |
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| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: ok i started a schedule at the bottom | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, you did, sweet | 13:58 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: feel free to modify it | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: I sneakily added you as the SIG co-chair btw, I hope that is OK :) | 13:59 |
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| lbragstad | sounds like voluntolling ;) | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, you were doing the work, so I added you :) | 13:59 |
| lbragstad | sounds good | 13:59 |
| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: so you don't want anything on monday morning then? | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: I assumed lots of other sessions going on at the same time then | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: but I am not 100% sure at this point | 14:02 |
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| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: ok - that's fine | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | no TC sessions at that time, so maybe that is a good time | 14:02 |
| lbragstad | monday morning has some upgrade discussions | 14:03 |
| lbragstad | in the skip-level-upgrades room | 14:03 |
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| lbragstad | are we planning on having a different upgrade discussion (looking at item 6)? | 14:04 |
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| lbragstad | johnthetubaguy: do you know who was driving the cross project interactions stuff? | 14:22 |
| lbragstad | or the cross project scheduling? | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: not sure really, I thought it was more folks have rooms, and we argue out who talks to who when? | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: ttx might know more | 14:23 |
| lbragstad | oh - i meant that Boston topic listed in the etherpad | 14:24 |
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| lbragstad | 4. Cleaner cross project interactions | 14:24 |
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| lbragstad | jungleboyj: johnthetubaguy mriedem rough baremetal/vm schedule; http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/121926.html | 15:20 |
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| jungleboyj | lbragstad: Thanks! | 15:21 |
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| sdague | lbragstad / johnthetubaguy can I rain on your parade for a moment? | 15:36 |
| lbragstad | sdague: sure | 15:36 |
| lbragstad | what's up? | 15:36 |
| sdague | I'm concerned that the schedule for the vm/bm is really spread thin | 15:37 |
| sdague | it's a lot of 40 minute sessions | 15:37 |
| sdague | 1/3 of which have no owner | 15:37 |
| sdague | 1/3 of which have "find an owner" as a key goal | 15:37 |
| sdague | that feels like it will not be productive in producing output | 15:37 |
| lbragstad | that's a good point | 15:37 |
| lbragstad | a lot of these were carry over from Boston, but i'm not sure who was driving some of them | 15:38 |
| sdague | yeh | 15:38 |
| lbragstad | or if the owners from boston were lost somewhere? | 15:38 |
| sdague | if we don't know who is driving them, they should probably go in a bin and not be given the floor | 15:38 |
| sdague | I think picking 3 topics, and giving each 1/2 a day would be more effective | 15:38 |
| lbragstad | sdague: yeah | 15:39 |
| sdague | because, at 1/2 a day, you could actually get details sorted out | 15:39 |
| sdague | like application credentials and policy seem to have critical mass for that | 15:39 |
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| lbragstad | good point - i was thinking 40 minutes wasn't enough, but i'm glad you called that out | 15:39 |
| lbragstad | it was a starting point | 15:39 |
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| sdague | yeh, so I'm going to put some annotations in the etherpad trying to move some stuff off the agenda | 15:41 |
| lbragstad | sdague: cool - i'm following along | 15:41 |
| sdague | the value of PTG is having the flexibility to spend longer time to dive into things | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 putting owner-less items in the can | 15:41 |
| lbragstad | agreed - having an idea of when certain things were going to happen would be useful, too | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: lbragstad: frankly I am tempted to go back to drawing board a bit, so nothing much explicitly happened as the SIG, but some efforts grew legs and made progress, what do we actually need? | 15:44 |
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| sdague | so, what I would suggest is | 15:45 |
| sdague | Mon morning - scrub looks like too many other conflicts | 15:45 |
| sdague | Mon afternoon - App Creds or Policy | 15:45 |
| sdague | Tues morning - which ever of above was not yet done | 15:45 |
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| sdague | Tues afternoon - leave open to figure out if a 3rd important topic emerges | 15:46 |
| lbragstad | ack - i'm good with that | 15:46 |
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| lbragstad | there are a bunch of topics that look specific to nova/cinder/ironic, but do we need to make sure those get included in other sessions? | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: lbragstad: +1 | 15:47 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: I think if a topic is important enough it will emerge on those schedules by itself | 15:47 |
| lbragstad | I just want to make sure something isn't dropped because of a bad copy/paste between etherpads or missing information | 15:47 |
| lbragstad | ok | 15:47 |
| sdague | lbragstad: right, but I think being lossy is also ok. Important topics lost in copy / paste will come back because people will make sure they come back up | 15:48 |
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| sdague | unimportant topics lost in copy / paste that no one speaks of again, never needed the time in the first place | 15:48 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that makes sense | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its really a room for important stuff that hasn't grown big enough to get its own room | 15:49 |
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| lbragstad | well - we do have a room for policy | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | with a bit of catalyst stuff to make sure we get the right people in there | 15:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, talking about it twice would be a bad outcome | 15:50 |
| lbragstad | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/policy-queens-ptg | 15:50 |
| lbragstad | i've been advertising ^ but not much traction | 15:50 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly, maybe policy has space then. | 15:50 |
| lbragstad | that's also specific to the policy in code initiative | 15:50 |
| lbragstad | but i'm happy to help projects with other policy problems there if we have the bandwidth | 15:51 |
| sdague | you know, if the whole output of the vm/bm room was just concrete action on app creds, that would still be a huge win | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: very true | 15:51 |
| sdague | so, mostly I'd figure out if zaneb and mordred have other conflicts, and optimize around that | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: you OK running with that? | 15:51 |
| * lbragstad feels like keystone just stole the baremetal/vm limelight | 15:51 | |
| lbragstad | yeah - i can take point on app creds | 15:52 |
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| lbragstad | fwiw - ildikov might have more information about the multi-attach stuff | 15:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I hit a wonderful bug the other day that made me think more about layering services... | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | so unable to build any instances in a cloud | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | sahara built some instances using heat | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | user delete an instance in Nova, it left the port behind | 15:54 |
| * ildikov needs to read back | 15:54 | |
| johnthetubaguy | it was ironic... so the port blocked any other build to the matching mac address on the machine | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | no idea who created the port | 15:55 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: yes | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | (without digging really hard) | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh my | 15:55 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: this is precisely the sort of scenario that is problematic | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just wanted to get that one off my chest, lol | 15:55 |
| mordred | we don't have any way of attaching sub-resources to a parent resource to 'own' them | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I mean the app creds is totally needed before any of the next bits | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | but needed in a way that enables the next bit | 15:56 |
| mordred | *sometimes* a port or a floating-ip should share the lifecycle of a server they're with | 15:56 |
| mordred | *sometimes* they should not | 15:56 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: yup | 15:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mordred: for me it should be just like volumes, but that's a whole other thing | 15:57 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: from my "no clue how the backend works but I know how I use the api" POV ... | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: yeah, totally | 15:57 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: and using floating-ips as an example | 15:57 |
| mordred | there are two forms of fip create - you can do a create/attach sequence - create fip, attach fip to server | 15:57 |
| mordred | or you can do create_fip(server.port) - which creates the fip and binds it to the port in one go | 15:58 |
| mordred | is seems like the first one is a great way for the user to express "I want to control the lifecycle of the fip please" | 15:58 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: so before solving for that, could you make the debug better by having some more standardized resource action log. Like litterally just a standard for recording when and by who everything was created | 15:58 |
| mordred | and the second it "I need this server to have a fip and I want it to go away when the server goes away" | 15:58 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 15:58 |
| mordred | sdague: double ++ if such a log was retreivable via an API call | 15:59 |
| mordred | so that an end-user can access it | 15:59 |
| sdague | because just recording more info, probably is tractable. Coupled life cycles are hard | 15:59 |
| mordred | totally | 15:59 |
| ildikov | lbragstad: sdague: we have a Cinder/Nova slot for multi-attach which can work if that's the full scope of what you would like to discuss | 15:59 |
| mordred | I mean - a bunch of the neutron objects have an "owner" field | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the who done it, working with the layering is a great start | 15:59 |
| mordred | which is or can be helpful ... which gets you "did I create this or did nova create it for me" | 15:59 |
| lbragstad | ildikov: yeah - i'd rather that be in a single room with interested people instead of duplicating it | 15:59 |
| mordred | expanding that to cover a few more things perhaps while doing the resource lifecycle log | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | ildikov: makes scheduling easier for people who want to be there | 16:00 |
| mordred | could potentially be a decent win without a huge amount of churn - unless that would be harder than I think sdague ? | 16:00 |
| ildikov | lbragstad: sure, I meant more that we're now looking into standalone services, etc. so you can multiattach volumes outside Nova too in theory, once Cinder is ready for that | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | mordred: does tuesday afternoon or monday morning work for you to talk about application credentials | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | (kmalloc gets in on tuesday fyi and i know he had input there) | 16:01 |
| mordred | lbragstad: tuesday is a better bet - monday is sure to be full of zuulv3 related things | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | mordred: ack | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | zaneb: ^ | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | need to check with zaneb as well | 16:01 |
| sdague | I expect zaneb is on a plane atm if he's coming to CO | 16:01 |
| sdague | or... wait, is he in the states now? | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | ok - so revised and simplified schedule is: | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | mon morning is scrubbed because it conflicts with tons of other stuff | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | mon afternoon is rbac and policy improvements | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | tuesday morning is application creds | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | tuesday afternoon is anything else that gets brought up as an important thing we need to discuss | 16:02 |
| mordred | sdague, johnthetubaguy: also, if such an owner field (or some other name) was settable with some sort of semantics, then maybe as a user I could say create_fip(server.port, owner='server:{server.uuid}') | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | lbragstad: sweet, lets see if that matches everyone | 16:03 |
| mordred | sdague, johnthetubaguy and then as a user I could at least look for such a field on resources and know what they were intended for | 16:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: it got dropped when the instance was delete here, I was thinking more about the identity of who created it, but you are right, there is both here | 16:03 |
| mordred | doesn't mean nova wold auto-delete that if an owner field was set or anything - but just a general way for me to add those relationships as annotations would go a long way | 16:03 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: yah - and 'owner' is probably a bad name for the thing I'm talking about | 16:04 |
| sdague | mordred: yeh, I honestly don't know if I'd want to start trying to change internals. More like figure out what's already coming out in notifications / action logs and consolidate | 16:04 |
| mordred | but there is a simple version of this which is just "I want to let myself and other people know that I believe these resources are related" | 16:04 |
| sdague | then you end up enhancing various projects to make that a more complete picture | 16:04 |
| sdague | mordred: tags? | 16:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I like the building block approach there sdague | 16:05 |
| sdague | adding arbitrary tags to resources lets users build their own workflows and relationships with them | 16:05 |
| mordred | sdague: yah - definitely with the notifiation/action-logs - as long as we can figure out a way to surface that to a user | 16:05 |
| kmalloc | Monday afternoon I'll be in. | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: sweet - we're working on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-vmbm | 16:06 |
| kmalloc | Cool. | 16:06 |
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| mordred | sdague: tags could maybe be good if we can get agreement on them existing on resources across the board... but ... | 16:07 |
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| cmurphy | sdague: did anything ever happen with these todos for unified limits? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117186.html it looks like at least the first one happened as a comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/ | 16:07 |
| mordred | sdague: I'd love to at leats brainstorm about what a medium to long term future might look like with services being able to annotate relationships themselves, and potentially as a shorter-term thing allow users to do that themselves (since conceptually we ARE just talking about somethign that looks like tags here) | 16:07 |
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| mordred | sdague: which might just mean that we use tags, but in the future define some standard tags that services can use | 16:08 |
| mordred | sdague: or tell people "tags prefixed with openstack: are intended to be set by openstack services" or something | 16:08 |
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| mordred | so that maybe in the future if we get to a place where it makes sense to do so, we can have nova add a "openstack:compute:blah" tag to a neutron fip it creates for a user without fear of breaking people if the tags were 100% free-form | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: unified limits needs a champion to drive it. sdague and I have interest in it happening, but no time to drive it ourselves (across the board). I can help some, but am limited in what I'll be able to do. | 16:09 |
| sdague | cmurphy: no... I've dropped that ball, and have not yet sent out email fully mea culpa on that | 16:10 |
| sdague | yeh, we definitely need a new driver | 16:10 |
| sdague | I figured post PTG I'd send an update one way or another | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | ++ | 16:10 |
| sdague | if we get folks that want to drive those things, cool. And if not, just set expectations | 16:10 |
| cmurphy | I'm mostly wondering whether we should try to bring it up at the PTG given that we don't have anything new to talk about since boston | 16:11 |
| cmurphy | sounds like probably not | 16:11 |
| sdague | cmurphy: the thing I want to bring up is figuring out if it's important enough to anyone to push forward on it | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | Finding a driver and making sure we have interest or sidelining it is about where I'd land on what needs to be brought up for it | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | sdague: beat me to typing it | 16:12 |
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| sdague | it's a good idea, it would make the system better, but I've got a pile of good ideas that will make the system better over in this corner rotting away | 16:12 |
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| sdague | so... not worth really poking at them unless it's important enough for someone to spend time on them | 16:12 |
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| cmurphy | yeah I think there are higher priorities for this cycle | 16:12 |
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| kmalloc | But we should find out how important it is for folks so we have a real way to guage interest | 16:13 |
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| lbragstad | i wouldn't mind driving the unified limits stuff, but i'm going to be tied up with tons of policy work this release | 16:14 |
| sdague | yeh, so maybe the mea culpa should get emailed today then. That would at least let people think about if they really care about it. | 16:15 |
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| clarkb | efried: because I am curious, what is your pdb + devstack services in a systemd world process? is it just directly executing the execstart command in the unit or is there some btter way? | 18:15 |
| efried | clarkb No, that's it. | 18:16 |
| clarkb | ok cool, thats how I would do it if put on the spot | 18:16 |
| efried | clarkb There very well may be a better way. | 18:16 |
| efried | clarkb There's almost certainly a way to do a port-based remote debugger attach thingy. But I haven't gotten anywhere near that. | 18:17 |
| efried | If one were to set that up, one could attach directly to the systemd process. | 18:17 |
| clarkb | ya | 18:17 |
| efried | It's even possible that PyCharm pro can do that. | 18:17 |
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| clarkb | $(systemctl cat devstack@n-cpu | sed -n -e's/ExecStart=\(.*\)/\1/p') may want a helper command in devstack tools | 18:19 |
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| efried | clarkb systemctl show devstack@n-cpu.service -p ExecStart --no-pager | 18:30 |
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| clarkb | oh nice no need for sed | 18:32 |
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| efried | clarkb Wellll... | 18:34 |
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| clarkb | efried: does it print it as a key value? | 18:36 |
| efried | clarkb ExecStart={ path=/usr/local/bin/nova-scheduler ; argv[]=/usr/local/bin/nova-scheduler --config-file /etc/nova/nova.conf ; ignore_errors=no ; start_time=[Tue 2017-08-22 11:50:40 EDT] ; stop_time=[n/a] ; pid=43651 ; code=(null) ; status=0/0 } | 18:37 |
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| efried | clarkb FYI https://review.openstack.org/501834 ( sdague smcginnis jgriffith ) | 18:39 |
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| smcginnis | efried: Hah, so the way to use pdb with devstack now is to not use devstack? :) | 18:40 |
| smcginnis | efried: Thanks though, that is very helpful. | 18:40 |
| efried | s/devstack/systemd/ ? Yeah, at least that's how I do it :) | 18:41 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that. | 18:41 |
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| efried | smcginnis See discussion above with clarkb - there's probably a way to attach a debugger to the systemd process. But I don't know how. And that may be out of the realm of sanity for most folks. Whereas most folks can understand "run these commands and inject your breakpoint" | 18:42 |
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| smcginnis | efried: Yeah, I had tried looking into attaching to the running process, but that got pretty ugly, pretty quick. | 18:43 |
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| jgriffith | efried ping | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | efried: smcginnis https://pypi.python.org/pypi/remote-pdb looks like easy mode remote pdb | 19:16 |
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| smcginnis | Huh, that could be convenient if it would work for this. | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | it should since all its doing is opening a tcp socket | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I don't have a devstack install right now otherwise I would test it | 19:21 |
| clarkb | efried: but might make a good addition to your doc update to have ^ as an alternative | 19:21 |
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| smcginnis | clarkb: I believe you still need to run the process outside of systemd. But could be a nice additional way to debug, especially for those like me that run devstack on lab VMs. | 19:23 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: I don't think you need to run it outside of systemd. All the double forking stuff should happen before python really starts running | 19:23 |
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| efried | jgriffith Pong, sorry, lunch. | 19:53 |
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| efried | clarkb smcginnis I'll look into that. I have a devstack I can play with. sdague also suggested a script clarkb - starting to think it may be a good idea :) | 19:55 |
| smcginnis | Anything we can do to make this developer friendly would be great. | 19:55 |
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| jgriffith | efried your documented method works great, thanks!!! | 19:59 |
| efried | jgriffith Glad to hear it! | 19:59 |
| jgriffith | efried I kept messing with the remote debuggers and wasn't having very good luck so this is great! | 20:00 |
| efried | (I never know when something's gonna work differently in my oh-so-quirky PowerVM environment) | 20:00 |
| jgriffith | efried LOL | 20:00 |
| efried | jgriffith oh - have you played with https://pypi.python.org/pypi/remote-pdb as suggested by clarkb above? | 20:00 |
| efried | Save me some headaches... | 20:00 |
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| mtreinish | efried: just reverse all the bits it should work fine after :p | 20:03 |
| efried | mtreinish Nah, tried that. | 20:04 |
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| efried | clarkb jgriffith smcginnis mtreinish Well, remote_pdb seems to work just fine. I'll submit another docs patch... | 20:18 |
| jgriffith | efried clarkb no, I tried epdb | 20:20 |
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| efried | remote-pdb worked exactly as described in the docs. It's almost not worth enumerating the steps. (But I will.) | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | well geesh, I'd like to revert my ML posting at this point then please | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | although I'm glad I mentioned it as there are simple solutions that a number of us didn't find on our own so... that's good I suppose | 20:22 |
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| efried | jgriffith Absolutely, no regrets. You're obviously not the only one who was wanting the debugging solution under systemd. You spoke up, and action was taken, and now we have docs. | 20:46 |
| cdent | efried, jgriffith : collaboration of the day award | 20:47 |
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| efried | jgriffith cdent smcginnis clarkb mtreinish -- remote-pdb documented via https://review.openstack.org/501870 | 20:47 |
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| cdent | almost perfect efried, important typo | 20:50 |
| smcginnis | cdent: The space? :) | 20:50 |
| cdent | no, devstack -> systemd | 20:50 |
| cdent | but that space is indeed an immense sin | 20:50 |
| cdent | if I could -2, I would for that | 20:50 |
| cdent | but only for efried | 20:51 |
| efried | cdent Thanks, fixing. (I definitely deserve to be nitpicked for typos wherever possible. I earn that treatment in spades.) | 20:51 |
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| efried | cdent Done. | 20:52 |
| cdent | woot | 20:53 |
| cdent | biab | 20:54 |
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| efried | Bonus with remote-pdb: if you use the anonymous set_trace() (don't specify a port), it always picks a free port for you - so you can use it for multithreaded services (like n-api) and open a separate telnet session to each thread-aka-pdb-session. | 21:13 |
| efried | jgriffith clarkb smcginnis cdent mtreinish ^ | 21:14 |
| cdent | power! | 21:14 |
| smcginnis | efried: Pretty useful in a multiple thread situation! | 21:14 |
| efried | definitely - more convenient than vanilla pdb, which is somewhere between noisy/messy (if your breakpoint only hits one thread) and impossible (if it hits multiple). | 21:16 |
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| jgriffith | efried clarkb thanks to both of you, that's fantastic | 21:22 |
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| efried | :) | 21:22 |
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| SamYaple | +1 rbdb for everything | 21:32 |
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