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| jamespage | icey, tinwood: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474907/ should now pass the ovs experimental checks - running atm | 09:28 |
| icey | jamespage: fantastic, I've been watching it waiting on a jenkins experimental pass ;) | 09:28 |
| jamespage | I disabled three additional tests over ocata; one of them would point to a bug in the interface hotplug code (for which I'm raising a bug now) | 09:28 |
| jamespage | icey: in other good news the tempest fixes we needed for interface hotplug configuration bits have landed, so we can drop a few exclusions for the gate | 09:29 |
| jamespage | icey, tinwood: I've pushed up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476432/ | 09:29 |
| icey | yay! | 09:29 |
| jamespage | which makes the ovs check part of the gate | 09:29 |
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| icey | do we want to wait on landing that until the currently running check passes? | 09:30 |
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| jamespage | icey, tinwood: the mitaka branch has unknown status for testing; its EOL anyway so I'm going to not spend cycles on fixing anything there | 09:30 |
| jamespage | icey: no - we'll validated it afterwards by re-enabling the interface hotplug tests and checking things out | 09:31 |
| tinwood | jamespage, icey, I'll scan over those reviews too; still absorbing information! | 09:31 |
| jamespage | andymccr: btw the pike nova-lxd driver should be OK for unpinning now - it will work with both the newer tap based interface approach for linuxbridge, and the original approach using bridges directly | 09:32 |
| jamespage | we have an outstanding bug with linuxbridge in that you can't use it without ignoring vif plugging failures.,.. | 09:32 |
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| jamespage | tinwood, icey: I'd like to get that fixed this cycle, but it will require some re-engineering in the vif plugging code | 09:33 |
| tinwood | jamespage, ack | 09:33 |
| jamespage | the plus side is that it simplifies the lxd end of the wiring as all vifs become pre-created physical devices from LXD's perspective | 09:33 |
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| andymccr | jamespage: cool thanks! will unpin the neutron bits | 09:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Mention how to contact the TC https://review.openstack.org/476450 | 10:09 |
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| jamespage | icey: hmm there is still something racey in the driver @newton | 10:46 |
| jamespage | random networking scenario tests keep failing | 10:46 |
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| icey | Ack jamespage | 10:46 |
| jamespage | tinwood, icey: I think we're hitting the rule of diminishing returns here: ocata and pike both work fine with ovs | 10:46 |
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| jamespage | we know the driver has improved over the last 12 months and the number of fixes we're likely to target to newton now is small | 10:47 |
| icey | jamespage: when is Newton eol? | 10:47 |
| jamespage | towards end of this year I think | 10:48 |
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| icey | jamespage: seems weird that tempest can't find an ipv4 address but I can clearly see oen: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24924130/ | 11:01 |
| icey | s/oen/onen | 11:01 |
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| frickler | icey: seems that that port is DOWN though and thus skipped | 11:17 |
| icey | agreed frickler | 11:18 |
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| jamespage | icey: I have a general bad smell type feeling around vif plugging in newton | 11:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Clarify release model choices https://review.openstack.org/476479 | 11:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: Update guide to match recent changes https://review.openstack.org/476480 | 11:50 |
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| kashyap | Huh, one endless naming discussion after another on the list | 12:57 |
| kashyap | It's like every 6 months we have these meandering threads about renaming and governance. | 12:58 |
| kashyap | I think there should be less "governance", and more "fix the frelling bugs, one at a time" | 12:58 |
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| ttx | kashyap: governance matters. But yes, somehow those renaming threads get more attention than they really deserve | 13:10 |
| kashyap | ttx: Sure, not denying Governance matters | 13:10 |
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| kashyap | ttx: I don't want to say more unconstructive things, and I know the job is hard enough as-is to get these things sorted out. | 13:10 |
| apuimedo | ttx: I'm here | 13:10 |
| ttx | apuimedo: true that it's a bit weird that you would configure one but not the other, but... | 13:11 |
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| ttx | apuimedo: I think that's because /if/ the application logic picks up Method.FORK you kind of need to be able to customize what that will call | 13:11 |
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| ttx | (context for everyone else: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476489/2) | 13:12 |
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| ttx | apuimedo: so it looks a bit weird to be able to customize this and not that, but it might actually make sense | 13:17 |
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| ttx | I'll have to dive deeper to see if that actually makes sense. Maybe dhellmann is already deeper :) | 13:23 |
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| dhellmann | if the deployer needs to be able to control how sudo works, that's one thing. but choosing whether or not sudo is being used feels like an internal application decision. | 13:24 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, I can see that now. The code looks like someone forgot to make the default value confiugurable, but in that case that was probably on purpose | 13:33 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: right | 13:37 |
| ttx | apuimedo: what do you think ? | 13:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance master: add a tool to get the PTL contact details easily https://review.openstack.org/476520 | 13:39 |
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| ttx | Office hours for TC members starting on #openstack-tc, feel free to join and reach out | 15:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/project-team-guide master: a few clarifying updates https://review.openstack.org/476628 | 17:01 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, stevemar : I approved the 3 patch series of updates to the team guide, and added ^^ with a couple of wording changes | 17:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Update guide to match recent changes https://review.openstack.org/476480 | 17:06 |
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| stevemar | thanks for the clarifying one dhellmann | 17:10 |
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| srwilkers | afternoon everyone, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but is it possible for a hosted project to get a wiki page on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki? and if so, what are the necessary steps to do so? | 20:19 |
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| clarkb | srwilkers: you should be able to just create it | 20:22 |
| srwilkers | clarkb: yeah, just figured it out. thanks :) | 20:22 |
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| apuimedo | dhellmann: ttx: any alternative suggestion? | 20:30 |
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| apuimedo | my concern is that we use oslo.privsep indirectly, via os-vif | 20:38 |
| apuimedo | so, if it can't be done via configuration | 20:38 |
| apuimedo | it means potentially changing the API of both os-vif and oslo.privsep | 20:39 |
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| dhellmann | apuimedo : IIUC, the option was to control whether to use fork or rootwrap? that seems like something that should be controllable in the api already | 21:20 |
| apuimedo | it is | 21:20 |
| apuimedo | in a very roundabout way | 21:21 |
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| apuimedo | dhellmann: you have to give up on on demand start | 21:21 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+bug/1673832/comments/3 | 21:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1673832 in kuryr-kubernetes "os_vif.plug() at cni fails with privsep issue when using ovs-firewall" [High,Triaged] | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | apuimedo : I don't know what "on demand start" means | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | or why you consider setting the method to fork explicitly is round-about | 21:23 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: if you do not call start, it will be automatically called for you if there is not a channel | 21:23 |
| apuimedo | and for that, it is effectively hardcoded to use rootwrap | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | is a channel a privsep thing or a kuryr thing? | 21:23 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: privsep | 21:23 |
| apuimedo | let me link you to the module I'm talking about | 21:24 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.privsep/blob/master/oslo_privsep/priv_context.py#L203-L204 | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | the patch you linked to attached to that bug looks like it's mucking around with things it shouldn't to force the use of fork, so I agree that's not great; but it seems like the app or module or whatever could be written to do that | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | does the fork method not also automatically start the channel? | 21:26 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: you can't select the fork method | 21:26 |
| apuimedo | unless you start the fork immediately | 21:26 |
| apuimedo | then, since a channel will already exist, that's what will be used | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | why is that a problem? | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | I mean, aside from clearly having to make application changes to support that | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | is it a bug that fork works that way, or is there some technical limitation that requires it? | 21:27 |
| apuimedo | well, it's making forking a second class option. It is also something ugly to work around | 21:28 |
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| apuimedo | since you may not be calling any privsep method at all | 21:28 |
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| apuimedo | but you will either have to wrap the os-vif plug | 21:28 |
| apuimedo | and unplug | 21:28 |
| apuimedo | to start then | 21:28 |
| apuimedo | and check the innards to see if there is a channel | 21:28 |
| apuimedo | or you start the fork regardless of if you will ever call any privsep stuff | 21:29 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: this is just how it is written, not a bug | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | you seem to consider that a design flaw | 21:29 |
| apuimedo | (unless poor API taste is a bug) | 21:29 |
| apuimedo | :P | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | and I'm trying to understand if it's just because it's annoying, or because you think there's really something wrong | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | I can see, from a security standpoint, not wanting to fork after a bunch of extra threads are started, so asking to have that done early | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | but I don't know if that's why the lib was designed the way it is | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | perhaps the thing to do is make the rootwrap method understand that it doesn't need to run sudo if it is running as root? | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | unless I guess it's been told to change to some user other than root | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | know what I mean? | 21:31 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: hard to know what was intended, since both methods came at once | 21:31 |
| apuimedo | in the codebase | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | ok. well, let's talk about a way to fix this that doesn't require the deployer to understand the internals of the app and plugin | 21:31 |
| apuimedo | dhellmann: fork is better than rootwrap without sudo | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | 1. fix privsep's rootwrap mode | 21:31 |
| apuimedo | since it drops caps | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | 2. fix the app to always use fork | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | 3. fix the app to use fork only when the plugin requires it | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | 4. other? | 21:32 |
| apuimedo | well... I'm trying to do some minimal changes (as minimal as possible) | 21:32 |
| apuimedo | to oslo.privsep | 21:33 |
| apuimedo | and to os-vif | 21:33 |
| apuimedo | so that it's easy for consumers of both | 21:33 |
| apuimedo | so to os-vif initialize method I'd be able to pass the Method.FORK | 21:33 |
| apuimedo | (defaulting to rootwrap not to unsettle things) | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | ok, that seems like it may be a reasonable approach | 21:34 |
| apuimedo | and then see how I can propagate that to be passed on PrivContext initizalization | 21:34 |
| apuimedo | the issue is doing that in a way that existing 'hacks' will not stop working will make the change awkward | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | existing hacks? | 21:35 |
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| apuimedo | dhellmann: like the workaround in the bug I linked to | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | ok. well, I'm not sure how strong our commitment is to support the use of a lib by bypassing it's api instead of improving it, so *shrug* | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | I have to step away, but let me know how that goes or when you have a patch to review | 21:36 |
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| apuimedo | ok, thanks | 21:44 |
| apuimedo | I also had to step away. Was putting the kid to sleep | 21:44 |
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