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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add OpenStackClient Pike goal information https://review.openstack.org/466392 | 08:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add Queens goal split out tempest plugins https://review.openstack.org/369749 | 08:21 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Fix comment about design summits https://review.openstack.org/454070 | 08:21 |
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fungi | #status log Free space for logs.openstack.org reached 40GiB, so an early log expiration run (45 days) is underway in a root screen session. | 09:57 |
openstackstatus | fungi: finished logging | 09:57 |
fungi | infra-root: ^ | 09:57 |
fungi | also, remember i'm gone most of today, returning around the time for the listserv maintenance at 20:00 | 09:57 |
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fungi | oh, heh, i meant to say all that in #openstack-infra | 12:44 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/governance master: uwsgi goal for Telemetry https://review.openstack.org/468418 | 13:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add Queens goal to add collection links https://review.openstack.org/468436 | 14:36 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add Queens Goal for full discovery alignment https://review.openstack.org/468437 | 14:36 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add shade acknowledgement of tempest plugin goal https://review.openstack.org/468438 | 14:38 |
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mordred | fungi: I was wondering this morning :) | 14:52 |
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* smcginnis had something he wanted to ask mordred and can't for the life of him remember what... | 14:56 | |
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smcginnis | mordred: Oh! Question about oaktree. | 14:56 |
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smcginnis | mordred: Is that a similar concept to leakypipes "enamel" stuff? | 14:57 |
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leakypipes | smcginnis: nah, different... | 14:57 |
smcginnis | OK, guess I need to do some reading then. :D | 14:57 |
mordred | smcginnis: oaktree is service that essentially exposes shade over gRPC | 14:58 |
mordred | smcginnis: could be run locally by a user if they wanted, could be run bya deployer - would be multi-cloud aware so you can talk to all of your clouds over one connection | 14:59 |
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mordred | smcginnis: but basically driven by the original goal of "find a way that non-python folks can get the shade happies and that they can opt-in to if they don't have a deployer who feels like running one for them" | 15:00 |
smcginnis | mordred: So it doesn't sugar coat anything, just exposes a different (shadier?) protocol for accessing the cloud. | 15:00 |
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mordred | smcginnis: yes. completely different protocol - gRPC == protobuf over http/2 if you haven't touched it much - supports bidirectional and streaming and return channels out of the box | 15:01 |
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smcginnis | mordred, leakypipes: So any interest in taking some of the enamel concepts and doing it over that? | 15:01 |
mordred | smcginnis: but also different (and shadier) in that there is one api - not a collection of them - and the api is always there and if a cloud doesn't doa thing the api defines, the api returns an appropriate error code | 15:02 |
leakypipes | smcginnis: yes. it's just a time thing... | 15:02 |
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smcginnis | OK, cool. It seems like the two are each addressing part of an overall problem. | 15:02 |
smcginnis | Don't get me wrong - each a good piece to fix. | 15:03 |
mordred | one could imagine an enamel backend implementation of oaktree grpc api that is a better deployer version | 15:03 |
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mordred | since it's talking to message bus and whatnot | 15:03 |
mordred | which would be really neat | 15:03 |
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smcginnis | mordred: I'm seeing more and more need for something like that. | 15:04 |
mordred | "as a deployer, deploy oaktree-enamel and have oaktree poll your cloud less" "as a dev with a non-oaktree cloud, deploy the shade version" and talk to it | 15:04 |
smcginnis | +1 | 15:04 |
mordred | smcginnis: yah - I'll be cranking on oaktree again as soon as I'm done with restification in shade | 15:04 |
smcginnis | mordred: Awesome. I'd offer to help, but I don't like making empty promises. :D | 15:04 |
mordred | :) | 15:05 |
mordred | smcginnis: and once the current todo list in oaktree is done, I'll add "look at what integrating leakypipes' enamel work on the backend would look like" and let y'all know | 15:05 |
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mordred | (I'd been brainstorming about what an "optimized local version that talks to the message bus" would look like - so it seems like a decent win and path to that) | 15:05 |
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leakypipes | mordred: enamel was/is intended to be a REST API that would perform the "porcelain" tasks that so many people want the lower-level services like Nova, Neutron and Cinder to "just automatically do for them" | 15:08 |
mordred | leakypipes: yup | 15:08 |
leakypipes | mordred: whereas shade was built to paper over (properly) the differences between OpenStack cloud deployments. | 15:09 |
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smcginnis | enamel papers over the low-level calls. We can combine the two and call it the Wallpaper project. | 15:10 |
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mordred | leakypipes: yup. BUT - if there is an enamel, then many of the multi-step tasks shade is doing could be done with way less polling | 15:11 |
mordred | smcginnis: hahaha. | 15:11 |
leakypipes | mordred: ya | 15:11 |
leakypipes | smcginnis: I suppose it's better than the Shitticket project. | 15:11 |
smcginnis | Hah! | 15:12 |
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mordred | leakypipes: :) | 15:14 |
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sdague | mordred: oh... another conversation just reminded me | 16:06 |
sdague | one of the reasons that I made the yaml flat list inside of os-api-ref was because of the context of editing it | 16:06 |
sdague | because you are now in an inner block of rst, which your editor might understand and do smart indentation for | 16:07 |
sdague | but this is now radically different syntax | 16:07 |
sdague | and so you either get no help, or anti help, depending on how rst aware things are | 16:07 |
sdague | vs, a yaml file, where you get editor help | 16:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add Queens goal to add collection links https://review.openstack.org/468436 | 17:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add Queens Goal for full discovery alignment https://review.openstack.org/468437 | 17:04 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add Queens goal to add collection links https://review.openstack.org/468436 | 17:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add Queens Goal for full discovery alignment https://review.openstack.org/468437 | 17:26 |
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mordred | sdague: really? the list is in a block argument to .. rest_parameters:: ... how would an editor know what the inner content of that block argument should be? or do you mean an editor might assume that the block argument contents are just rst and the - list could be mistaken for bullets? | 17:32 |
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sdague | mordred: the second thing | 17:32 |
mordred | nod | 17:33 |
sdague | the auto guessing indentation because of rst ends up being kind of frustrating | 17:33 |
mordred | my editor frequently guesses indentation wrong, so I may just have a mental block on that topic | 17:34 |
sdague | so depending on how helpful your editor is for rst, actually makes it anti helpful for mixed mode | 17:34 |
sdague | my editor does not | 17:34 |
sdague | but it does there | 17:34 |
sdague | so, definitely some bleed through from what is easy / annoying in my env | 17:35 |
sdague | which isn't to say your idea shouldn't go in | 17:35 |
sdague | just something I'd forgotten | 17:35 |
sdague | the first pass of os-api-ref did all the yaml inline | 17:35 |
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sdague | which I did by hand, for the servers CRUD pages | 17:36 |
mordred | yah - I don't have a helpful idea on that one except for moving the other stuff to an external file too - but that seems more yuck | 17:36 |
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sdague | and the things I hated about that created the parameters file | 17:36 |
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sdague | yeh, I honestly think it's a bit less yuck | 17:36 |
sdague | your inline approach here | 17:37 |
sdague | as it's just bullets still | 17:37 |
sdague | Things got really really bad trying to do long form paragraphs inside of embedded yaml inside of rst | 17:37 |
mordred | ++ | 17:37 |
sdague | because you loose word wrap | 17:38 |
mordred | the editor helping with doing the right indentation for those is super important | 17:38 |
mordred | yup | 17:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add Queens Goal for full discovery alignment https://review.openstack.org/468437 | 19:15 |
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