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| chatter29 | allah is doing | 00:21 |
| chatter29 | sun is not doing allah is doing | 00:21 |
| chatter29 | to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger | 00:21 |
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| ttx | c06: this is the default openstack development channel. You might find more devstack-specific discussions on #openstack-qa | 11:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Stop requiring public IRC meetings https://review.openstack.org/462077 | 11:16 |
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| sdague | is there anyone from the glance team that could get python-glanceclient working again? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466385 | 12:51 |
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| mriedem | clarkb: do you remember a forum session where documenting config drive came up? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i'm assuming one of the many app-dev focused sessions | 14:21 |
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| fungi | i don't think i attended that one, whichever it was | 14:22 |
| mriedem | rockyg had a note about it but she's not around atm | 14:22 |
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| clarkb | mriedem: I dont rember specificqlly but that is in my etherpad of notes on api things that I need to distill further | 14:24 |
| mriedem | clarkb: so https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-user-api-improvements ? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | L195 | 14:25 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:25 |
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| sdague | rosmaita: any help on landing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466385 ? | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve McLellan proposed openstack/governance master: Update searchlight pike TC goals https://review.openstack.org/467641 | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | clarkb: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117401.html | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/governance master: Etcd as a base service https://review.openstack.org/467436 | 14:44 |
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| clayg | Does the default zuul template thingy for the python unittest jobs already plumb PYTHONHASHSEED=random into the execution environment somehow? | 19:19 |
| clayg | gate seems to be better at catching mistakes in unittests with dict order dependency problems - was thinking it might be worth trying to crib somehow and stuff it in tox | 19:20 |
| clarkb | clayg: tox does it by default | 19:21 |
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| clayg | of course it does | 19:22 |
| * clayg goes again to try and learn remember how make tox run a single file | 19:23 | |
| clarkb | it should also record the hashseed it used so that you can reproduce failures | 19:23 |
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| mordred | clayg: tox -epy27 -- swift.tests.test_something.TestClass.test_method should work ... or really - tox -epy27 -- $however_you_pass_single_things_now | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | mordred: they use nose still iirc so its the nose posargs format but otherwise ya | 19:27 |
| mordred | ah - yah swift.tests.test_something:TestClass.test_method ... | 19:27 |
| clayg | yeah nose can take the module name as a path to a file - so I can tab it out | 19:28 |
| clayg | which i do... all... the... time | 19:28 |
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| clayg | you can also do like `./some/path/to/place/with/some/tests` | 19:29 |
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| clayg | and it doesn't take .... running time now ... jesus 1m51.563s to tell me "i didn't run any tests" | 19:31 |
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| mordred | clayg: that seems excessive | 19:36 |
| mordred | oh well, first time it was bulding a venv | 19:37 |
| mordred | that should not be long like that next time | 19:37 |
| mtreinish | mordred: depending on the size of the test suite discovery can be kinda slow | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | but I don't remember if nose always does discovery or not | 19:38 |
| mordred | it can - but probably not 1.51 I'd hope | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | it's been a long time since I had to use it | 19:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance master: Respond to wsgi goal for Cinder https://review.openstack.org/467731 | 19:39 |
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| mtreinish | no hopefully not that long, but discovery just imports the modules. So you know download wikipedia on import :p | 19:39 |
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| mtreinish | mordred: there used to be a bad bug in tempest (back in havana iirc) where it would do a ton of api traffic on import if there was a config file present | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | discovery took minutes until that was fixed... | 19:40 |
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| clayg | sorry - i'm trying to find somewhere I can plug in profile - but each turn of the crank is >1m!!! ;P | 19:42 |
| clayg | umm... pdb.set_trace() doesnt work - or at least I can't see it's output - it's seemed to have paused the test run so I can pull stack but ... | 19:45 |
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| clayg | do people really *use* tox for *development*? It seems like an uphill battle everytime I try :'( | 19:45 |
| clayg | maybe I just keep doing the thing that wfm :'( | 19:46 |
| clayg | I'm such a luddite | 19:46 |
| clayg | l | 19:46 |
| clayg | no wait... I think... maybe I can pass nose args from the tox commandline here - 💡 | 19:48 |
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| clayg | yeah, ok - so tox just punts to nose - stopping the running test doesn't really get me back any farther than the local tox venv's insallation of nosetests entrypoint - but at least I know how that works now | 19:50 |
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| clayg | so 88s in run_install_command - which seems to be doing something with... idk, pip? packages? | 20:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Major Hayden proposed openstack/governance master: Add ansible-hardening to OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/467744 | 20:02 |
| clayg | `pip install -chttps://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/plain/upper-constraints.txt -U --no-deps -e /vagrant/swift` ??? but it seems to be quick when *I* do it in my own venv? I mean .... 8-16s there's some variability | 20:06 |
| jroll | clayg: using vagrant shared volumes? | 20:07 |
| jroll | those are super slow | 20:07 |
| clayg | yes... they are... | 20:08 |
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| clayg | and I won't be surprised to find out "this thing that tox does that takes 100ms on a filesystem in the vm takes 10x (1s) across a vboxsf" - but if I find out "tox is stating every file above the working tree where the code is installed" ... that's not great either | 20:11 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: just fwiw...i run into that same exact problem with tox, so I typically ended up just using .unittests or if I need to pdb, use nosetests directly | 20:15 |
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| clayg | i through some effort managed toget the toxworkdir to be *not* on vboxsf awhile ago - but... well I obviously don't know what's going - that's why i'm profiling... but the "meat" of https://github.com/tox-dev/tox/blob/master/tox/venv.py#L281 seems to be the _pcall - but that's not what's slow (or at least it's not slow when I run the same command in a | 20:16 |
| clayg | different context... hrmmm) | 20:16 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: but then we have to put PYTHONHASHSEED=random in our ENV and openstack has already SOLVED this problem - how can we just go "reinventing the wheel"!? | 20:17 |
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| clayg | sorry mordred - you're supposed to tell me to "be nice" now ;) | 20:18 |
| clarkb | well we didn't solve the problem tox did :) | 20:18 |
| clarkb | we just happened to get it for free as a result | 20:19 |
| clayg | not very well terribly well for my workflow apparently :\ | 20:19 |
| tdasilva | clayg: yeah, it sucks, maybe we will need to use notmyname's approach of rsyncing the code for every change??? | 20:19 |
| clarkb | also this is an area where swift is different than openstack | 20:19 |
| clarkb | so I'm not sure openstacky things are likely to be helpful | 20:19 |
| clayg | bummer! | 20:20 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: re discovery I don't think nose runs that step it does its own thing | 20:20 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: which possibly is also slow | 20:20 |
| mordred | clayg: I see no non-nice things that are available for such responses on my end. I mean - I have bots written to look for them and everything | 20:20 |
| mordred | zomg. is tox on github now? | 20:21 |
| * clarkb grabs swift and checks if its slow pain here too | 20:21 | |
| * mordred too | 20:21 | |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: yeah, nose definitely does it's own thing. I just can't remember exactly what that is | 20:24 |
| clarkb | clayg: it seems pretty not slow locally | 20:24 |
| clarkb | clayg: tox -epy27 installed deps and is now running tests | 20:24 |
| mordred | yah. same here - I mean, I'm now running the entire test suite which isn't _super_ fast - but it's churning through | 20:25 |
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| clarkb | ya that | 20:25 |
| clayg | it's not the tests that are slow - i mean a few of the tests are slow and that's annoying - but I rarely run all of them - and I definitely don't run more than a few when I'm working on them - so it's the overhead of getting into "run the test - change asssertions fix code - run the test - refactor - run the test - ..." | 20:26 |
| mordred | real 0m13.584s -> that's me running (or failing to run) a single requested test | 20:26 |
| mordred | although it's still clearly doing something at the top and at the end that I do not expect | 20:26 |
| mordred | in the tox.ini file are these lines: | 20:27 |
| mordred | commands = find . -type f -name "*.py[c|o]" -delete | 20:27 |
| mordred | find . -type d -name "__pycache__" -delete | 20:27 |
| clayg | that's a lot less than what I'm running into - thanks for confirming the problem is on my end - that's a very helpful data point - thanks | 20:27 |
| mordred | which is doing a find through the tree at the outset | 20:27 |
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| mordred | real 0m5.666s is what I have if I remove the find and just run test.unit.common.test_utils:TestUtils.test_whataremyips_bind_to_all | 20:28 |
| mordred | there's still a pause at the end after the nose summary has printed that I don't fully understand | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Major Hayden proposed openstack/governance master: Add ansible-hardening to OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/467744 | 20:34 |
| mordred | fwiw - if I run using testr instead of nose, it's similar time | 20:34 |
| mordred | if I use ttrun to just run a the tests in a single class in the virtualenv - it is quick as expected - but also I get: | 20:35 |
| mordred | WARNING: Unable to modify I/O scheduling class and priority of process. Keeping unchanged! Check logs for more info. | 20:35 |
| mordred | and also | 20:36 |
| mordred | Unable to read test config /etc/swift/test.conf - file not found | 20:36 |
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| clarkb | mordred: clayg it also looks like its collecting coverage by default | 20:39 |
| clarkb | that is likely to slow things down too | 20:39 |
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| mordred | ah. yes. coverage | 20:40 |
| clayg | the slow part is *in* the pip command in run_install_command - https://gist.github.com/clayg/337adcc321ebf1c0d03935c6ccb3d1bc | 20:41 |
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| clayg | I mean... after killing those 84 seconds on my machine (that seem to be 4-5s on everyone else's) there's probably *other* things that might also be worth speeding up ;) | 20:41 |
| clarkb | clayg: also the install should be a one time cost | 20:42 |
| mordred | clayg: oh now nice - I mean, that is configured in your tox.ini to use pip install -e for intsalling the code ... and it _shouldn't_ re-intsall each time | 20:42 |
| mordred | if it's running an install each time that is definitely non-optimal | 20:42 |
| clayg | oh... you mean you think it shouldn't even be *in there* - not just that it should be faster? | 20:45 |
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| clayg | self._needs_reinstall(setupdir, action) isn't exactly fast... and it sure says True | 20:47 |
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| mordred | clayg: self._needs_reinstall being True sure seems like a bug in this case | 20:54 |
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| clayg | mordred: thanks for the tip - that was it - i do some hackery to make my tox_workdir *not* be the same filesystem that swift in (basically /vagrant/swift/.tox is not a good place for my virtualenv) - that trickery involves (for some reason) temporarily hacking setup.py changing it's mtime and throwing off the comparison to i guess the egg_info | 20:55 |
| mordred | aha! | 20:56 |
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| clayg | yup - ok, I hack setup.py because it was a good entrypoint to fix replace os.link with shutil.copy (?) - i'm sure *that* was something with not being able to make a hardlink between filesystems - but I don't remember which tool was assuming the install source and path were on the same fs? maybe they stopped! | 20:58 |
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| Anticimex | sqlalchemy question... is there any occurance of a dialect-specific query override somewhere in openstack tent i can look at? | 21:19 |
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| clayg | no wait... maybe this sin't my fault - tox has decided that my "egg_info" is the *directory* `/vagrant/swift/swift.egg-info` - but that directory has existed since 2016 - my setup.py (and the files *in* egg_info have changed more recently than that) - blowing away the .egg-info dir and reinstalling seems to make tox happy - but... why would that dir | 21:20 |
| clayg | necessarily be younger than setup.py... if setup.py was *ever* updated reinstall will not *recreate* the .egg-info dir? | 21:20 |
| Anticimex | i'm looking at https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/storage/sqlalchemy/models.py#L172 and, i think, here want to explicitly provide the sql code to issue when populating an object corresponding to the GET /v2/resource/<resource_id> query, if the backend is pg | 21:20 |
| Anticimex | or perhaps it's somewhere else i should hook in, just started looking | 21:21 |
| clarkb | Anticimex: zzzeek is likely the best person to ask | 21:21 |
| Anticimex | def __getobjet__(self, foo): if dialect == pg: run this much better query instead of the sqla compilation result | 21:21 |
| Anticimex | clarkb: ok, thx :) | 21:21 |
| Anticimex | zzzeek: awake? :] | 21:22 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: yes..... three levels into existing support, nobody talks to me for like 6 months and this week, *boom* | 21:22 |
| Anticimex | maybe it's the wrong place to hook in though, at the object/model level, since i assume sqla do all these advanced inference and whatnot | 21:23 |
| Anticimex | still, seems potentially correct | 21:23 |
| Anticimex | zzzeek: pm? | 21:23 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: high level waht are you trying to do ? | 21:23 |
| Anticimex | run a highly optimized statement instead of the sqla compiled result | 21:23 |
| zzzeek | isnt the ceilomter "SQL" backend depreacted anyway ? | 21:23 |
| Anticimex | (highly optimized as in it actually uses the existing indices instead of full seq scan) | 21:23 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: when i've looked at ceilomter SQL, it had many many big big SQL issues and there was little interest in taking my suggestinos how to fix it | 21:24 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: in practice, ppl used mongodb backend and now gnocchi | 21:24 |
| Anticimex | well, it is, i think because this (and possibly a few more) selects were running full seq scans ;) | 21:24 |
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| Anticimex | yeah but we use pg and will continue to do so | 21:24 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: it had a lot more probs than that, what sort of SQL changes are you looking to do that change the format of the SELECT | 21:24 |
| Anticimex | zzzeek: i spent 3h and came up with this: https://gist.github.com/Millnert/53f471bdd7b173d09e15a60882082a78 | 21:25 |
| Anticimex | so with 141M sample rows with my little tuning for pg planner, i think i achieved O(n) -> O(log n) | 21:25 |
| Anticimex | 30000x faster | 21:25 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: OK that is a SQL standard query you can write that using SQLAlchemy normally | 21:27 |
| Anticimex | now i want to put my new cool query into the sqla somewhere just as a poc if nothing else, and then i guess fork it for sth like 1 year, after which possibly do a simpler psycopg2 db dispatcher from ceilometer | 21:27 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: oh, it scrolls down, wait | 21:27 |
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| Anticimex | and aim our rating engine directly at the pg backend | 21:27 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: ok you want the any(array_Agg) thing | 21:28 |
| Anticimex | yeah, the query i want to put in is https://gist.github.com/Millnert/53f471bdd7b173d09e15a60882082a78#file-get_resource-sql-L362 | 21:28 |
| Anticimex | i have to analyze this more, because i think this is just one of several queries ceilometer's sqla put outs | 21:28 |
| Anticimex | but i want to start whacking away in the code :] | 21:28 |
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| Anticimex | zzzeek: do you have any pointers or best examples on how to do such a thing? | 21:32 |
| Anticimex | and like i said, i believe the query is only one of a few queries sqla executes when populating a Resource class object | 21:32 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: that part looks like: from sqlalchemy import any_; any_(cast(select([func.array_agg(Resource.internal_id)].where(Resource.resource==uuid).as_scalar(), ARRAY(BigInteger)) | 21:33 |
| Anticimex | and i don't know if i should hook in closer to the API (ie somewhere "soon" after GET /v2/resource/<resource_id>, or, in the model place | 21:33 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: that's the WHERE part, the rest is standard join() / group_by() | 21:33 |
| Anticimex | ok | 21:33 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: you'd need to look in Session.bind and look at session.bind.name for "postgresql" | 21:34 |
| zzzeek | or similar | 21:34 |
| Anticimex | interesting. i was thinking to just do some con.execute(mycoolstatement). but i guess that doesn't get parsed correctly into the object w/o some additional glueing? | 21:34 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: here's any_: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_1_1/core/sqlelement.html#sqlalchemy.sql.expression.any_ | 21:34 |
| Anticimex | zzzeek: and also: where in the ceilometer sqla code should i aim my efforts in your opinion? | 21:35 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: havn't looked at ceilometer in a long time, i guess theyve moved to Core SQL queries | 21:35 |
| Anticimex | the object classes in model are from sqlalchemy.ext.declarative_base at least ( https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/storage/sqlalchemy/models.py ) | 21:35 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: whereever they run those queries right now you'd want to switch off and run your special ones | 21:35 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: OK this is still ORM | 21:36 |
| Anticimex | yeah | 21:36 |
| Anticimex | is my guess to override some class-def right? and conditionally do something different if dialect == pg | 21:37 |
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| zzzeek | Anticimex: i dont see any "api.py" here or any queries | 21:37 |
| Anticimex | i'm basically as new to the code as you (or newer). i'll grep a bit | 21:38 |
| Anticimex | ok i guess it's here: https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/storage/impl_sqlalchemy.py | 21:39 |
| Anticimex | i've worked with hibernate circa 2005.. so i'm a bit rusty on ORMs, but i guess the main principels remain the same | 21:40 |
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| zzzeek | Anticimex: here it is https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/storage/impl_sqlalchemy.py#L427 | 21:41 |
| zzzeek | so in methods like taht, I'd break out "_create_query_generic()" and "_create_query_postgresql()" methods | 21:41 |
| Anticimex | i'm not 100% certain it's get_resources (plural) though. the API method, https://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/webapi/v2.html#get--v2-resources-(resource_id) , returns a specific resource and i don't see resource_id as parameter there | 21:42 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: set up a dispatch, one neat way is to use oslo.db's dispatch https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo_db/sqlalchemy/utils.py#L907 | 21:42 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: it's one of those methods | 21:43 |
| Anticimex | oh, my bad, perhaps that's "resource=None" in the method definition | 21:43 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: that might not be the method but 95% sure you're in that file | 21:43 |
| Anticimex | yeah i suppose | 21:43 |
| Anticimex | i could python-gdb step through a request also to see the stack walk i suppose | 21:44 |
| Anticimex | cool, looking into that | 21:44 |
| Anticimex | this is great feedback | 21:44 |
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| Anticimex | zzzeek: do you know of any uses of that functionality? | 21:51 |
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| Anticimex | dispatch_for_dialect | 21:51 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: oslo.db uses it a lot | 21:51 |
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| Anticimex | my greps just return the examples. :/ | 21:52 |
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| Anticimex | this one example? https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo_db/sqlalchemy/provision.py#L632 | 21:53 |
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| Anticimex | zzzeek: i think i got it now, thanks | 21:57 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: ok | 21:57 |
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| * mordred is excited to see Anticimex and zzzeek doing the database things | 21:58 | |
| zzzeek | mordred: but postgresql | 21:58 |
| zzzeek | :) | 21:58 |
| Anticimex | pg ftw | 21:58 |
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| Anticimex | i dislike gnocchi as solution rather than fixing the queries | 21:59 |
| Anticimex | but i guess i can't turn around the ceilometer-api kill thing | 21:59 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: the ceilometer SQLAlchemy backend does too many queries | 21:59 |
| zzzeek | Anticimex: it has no caching | 21:59 |
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| Anticimex | so the ~1y out current plan is to just make a simple ceilometer-dispatcher using something simpler, like psycopg2, which is efficient (batch inserts etc), and outputs to pg (or perhaps cockroachdb?) | 22:00 |
| mordred | zzzeek: hey man - I'm not prejudiced. any love to the database tier is great from my perspective | 22:00 |
| Anticimex | since ceilometer-api is dieing, we would just point our proprietary rating thing directly against it | 22:00 |
| Anticimex | and instead of O(zillion) http gets, issue like 1-3 selects | 22:00 |
| Anticimex | the problem now is that 4 months into ceilometer-population of a 25% utilized 16-compute-node cluster we have 141M rows and a GET /v2/resource/<resource_id> thing takes 31 sec :D | 22:01 |
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| Anticimex | right now we run the rating once a month, and last time it took like 10h | 22:01 |
| Anticimex | now it's been running for 16h and it seems to be like 40% done | 22:02 |
| Anticimex | and this with 4x parallel-speedup since last month :] | 22:02 |
| Anticimex | but a correct fix is to teach ceilometers sqla to instruct pg to do indices-based queries | 22:03 |
| Anticimex | and then zomg speed2000 | 22:03 |
| zzzeek | personally I get pretty irritated at the growing reliance on ARRAY datastructures in the PG world to solve problems | 22:03 |
| Anticimex | ah well, yeah, you could of course bring this one level out and over into pg land and the pg planner design | 22:03 |
| Anticimex | but that's.. a bit out | 22:04 |
| Anticimex | the case here is that the planner as per 9.6 can't know if these (sub-)selects will return 0,1,5 or 1000 rows which it needs to know to estimate whether to do indice scan, bitmap, bitmap heap, or just full sequence scan (i'm sure there's 10 more types) | 22:05 |
| Anticimex | so sure, if someone improved that, that'd be great | 22:05 |
| Anticimex | but by convertging the subselect into something of fixed size you feed the planner with something it can know | 22:05 |
| Anticimex | apparently.. | 22:05 |
| Anticimex | *shrug* just learned today :D | 22:05 |
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| Anticimex | and then it becomes happy and does the scan from btree index instead | 22:06 |
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| clayg | mordred: yup - blowing away the swift.egg-info dir and reinstalling got me down from ~100s to 16s (compared to 1s with jus nose /shrug) | 22:23 |
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| clayg | clarkb: I'm not sure using someone's solution to their problem necessarily gains me a solution "for free" - i certainly have the opportunity to exercise their solution in an environment they weren't expecting and uncover coupling/assumptions that aren't universal? I guess it's always a trade off with any dependency - even something like test tooling. | 22:26 |
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