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| EmilienM | mtreinish, amrith : ack, good to know. I'll abandon the revert and give up on topic | 01:03 |
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| EmilienM | mtreinish, amrith: oops I was too fast, it seems like amrith approved the patch. I'll let you guys decide... | 01:04 |
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| EmilienM | mtreinish, amrith, mordred: this test can help Puppet Ci to validate that puppet-trove works: http://logs.openstack.org/32/455432/1/check/gate-puppet-openstack-integration-4-scenario003-tempest-centos-7/35e0b81/console.html#_2017-04-10_19_59_42_567423 | 01:25 |
| EmilienM | if you remove the tempest plugin, please provide a new way to test trove for us | 01:25 |
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| lifeless | dims: oh hai | 01:44 |
| lifeless | clayg: dims: 2.13.0.X is not semver; its also not semver to call a 2.14 pre release 2.13.Y, because if its got any api incompat, you'll end up breaking folk because it appears to be a minor release | 01:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/governance master: Add api-ref and update contributor links for Murano https://review.openstack.org/455493 | 02:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | chenying proposed openstack/governance master: Add karbor planning artifacts for goal-python35 https://review.openstack.org/455497 | 03:06 |
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| nirendra | Hi, Nova placement API checks for max_units which is local_gb for the host. This makes allocation_ratio useless. So if I'm trying to create a VM with 80GB root disk and disk_allocation_ratio as 100, it fails for a host which does not have 80GB local storage | 06:18 |
| nirendra | Is this a known bug? I couldn't find one in Launchpad | 06:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Amrith Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Propose the addition of a status:maintenance-mode https://review.openstack.org/449925 | 10:05 |
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| cdent | dtantsur: I've got some questions on your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ before I make a new version | 10:27 |
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| dtantsur | cdent, responded inline :) | 10:32 |
| cdent | thanks! | 10:32 |
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| cdent | yup, that helps, thanks | 10:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add docs planning artifact for goal-deploy-api-in-wsgi https://review.openstack.org/455641 | 10:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Amrith Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Propose the addition of a status:maintenance-mode https://review.openstack.org/449925 | 10:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add docs planning artifact for goal-python35 https://review.openstack.org/455647 | 10:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Remove empty man_pages setting https://review.openstack.org/455650 | 10:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Amrith Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Propose the addition of a status:maintenance-mode https://review.openstack.org/449925 | 11:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Amrith Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: DNM: This is a test https://review.openstack.org/455665 | 11:19 |
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| amrith | thank you mordred | 11:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Amrith Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Propose the addition of a status:maintenance-mode https://review.openstack.org/449925 | 11:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Amrith Kumar proposed openstack/governance master: Propose the addition of a status:maintenance-mode https://review.openstack.org/449925 | 11:28 |
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| voelzmo | Hey, how is the keystone catalog determined? I'm trying to disable cinderv2 and cinderv3 in my devstack in cinder.conf and cinder's paste-api.ini and they are still in the catalog. | 12:22 |
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| breton | voelzmo: keystone catalog is, well, in keystone | 12:24 |
| breton | voelzmo: most probably it is in the database | 12:24 |
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| breton | voelzmo: you can see it with "openstack catalog list" command (i don't remember if it's list or show) | 12:25 |
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| voelzmo | @breton yeah, that's where I'm seeing that v2 and v3 are still there. So how would I disable cinderv2 and cinderv3? I don't mind setting up a new devstack – but ./stack writes the config files from scratch based on local.conf right? | 12:27 |
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| breton | voelzmo: "openstack endpoint set" and "openstack endpoint delete" will help you i guess. But why do you want it? | 12:30 |
| voelzmo | @breton I need to do some compatibility testing against cinderv1 | 12:30 |
| voelzmo | as in: if only cinderv1 is available, don't fail, but fall back to it | 12:30 |
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| voelzmo | @breton awesome, thanks for that command. Now the catalog only shows v1 | 12:33 |
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| breton | voelzmo: you also probably still need to disable cinderv2 and cinderv3 in cinder.conf and cinder-api and restart everything. | 12:39 |
| voelzmo | @breton that's what I did before, thanks | 12:40 |
| voelzmo | I was just confused that the catalog wasn't re-generated if the list of available APIs changes | 12:40 |
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| voelzmo | Ha, nice. v1 resources don't have a 'name' property, but they use 'display_name' instead. :( | 13:01 |
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| sdague | lbragstad / dstanek - early first stab - https://review.openstack.org/455709 | 13:25 |
| sdague | please let me know what bits are useful, and what aren't | 13:26 |
| lbragstad | sdague awesome - just starred it | 13:26 |
| sdague | voelzmo: the catalog is static data, the apis don't call back to keystone | 13:27 |
| sdague | lbragstad: there are lots of weird things in it, but it should hopefully be a concrete starting point | 13:27 |
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| lbragstad | sdague we'll be able to iterate on it, too | 13:29 |
| mordred | voelzmo: yes, that's right re: name vs. display_name | 13:31 |
| mordred | voelzmo: out of curiosity, what are you doing compat testing on? if you're dealing with v1/v2/v3 cinder things, there's a _bunch_ of code in os-client-config and shade to help deal with all of that | 13:32 |
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| dstanek | sdague: cool, i'll take a look today. thanks! | 13:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/project-navigator-data master: Add a initial single-file version registry document https://review.openstack.org/454688 | 13:44 |
| voelzmo | @mordred the thing I'm testing is the openstack-cpi for BOSH | 13:45 |
| voelzmo | aka the toolchain to install Cloud Foundry and its services with | 13:45 |
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| voelzmo | so shade isn't really useful for us | 13:45 |
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| mordred | voelzmo: ah - gotcha, yeah. you'd need it to be in ruby right? | 13:46 |
| voelzmo | the CPI uses fog-openstack to talk to openstack | 13:46 |
| voelzmo | and yes, it is currently written in ruby | 13:46 |
| voelzmo | I guess that's more or less the issue with shade: it is helpful for a class of applications, but everyone else needs to re-implement the same things | 13:47 |
| mordred | voelzmo: yup. this is the reason we started working on oaktree - but that is not done enough yet for it to be useful to you right now | 13:48 |
| voelzmo | @mordred what's oaktree? sounds intriguing | 13:48 |
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| mordred | voelzmo: gRPC service exposing api backed by shade - so that we can provide an API to all of the languages | 13:49 |
| mordred | (and also not have to poll stuff as much) | 13:49 |
| voelzmo | @mordred it is still depending on a clouds.yml which contains information about each specific cloud, right? | 13:50 |
| mordred | voelzmo: https://github.com/openstack/oaktree and https://github.com/openstack/oaktreemodel ... it's still super young - and we had to go fix afew things in shade once we started working on it, so it's not as far along as 'd like | 13:50 |
| mordred | voelzmo: yes, that's right | 13:50 |
| mordred | voelzmo: I also spoke with fog folks in barcelona about geting some good docs up on clouds.yaml so that other languages could implement support for it | 13:51 |
| mordred | voelzmo: I'm about to push up a proposed update to the vendor format for that along with docs | 13:51 |
| voelzmo | so what is the supposed model then? Many of those settings are heavily depending on the actual configuration, not just the used distribution, right? Will there be a way to, say, generate the entries for clouds.yml? | 13:51 |
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| mordred | well - one of my goals is to get deployments to host a copy of the appropriate vendor data file | 13:53 |
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| mordred | since we can keep vendor files for public clouds, but you're riht, for private clouds based on a distro it's all about the deployer choices and it's hard to find out | 13:53 |
| mordred | we've also talked about writing a tool you could run that would try its best to figure out some of the settings andwrite a file for you - but it might not be perfect | 13:54 |
| mordred | and I just added support to horizon for having a downloadable clouds.yaml with your user information in it | 13:55 |
| voelzmo | @mordred I'm more concerned about private clouds. This is (at least for Cloud Foundry) the most important use-case for OpenStack. Publicly, you have much better options, such as AWS or GCP. | 13:55 |
| mordred | well, "better" by some definitions | 13:55 |
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| mordred | but I understand | 13:55 |
| voelzmo | @mordred ;) | 13:55 |
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| mordred | voelzmo: yes - getting private clouds to provide a proper vendor file will be important - otherwise the user has to do to much guesswork | 13:56 |
| mordred | but I need to propse the new file format first before I can convince people to start providing them :) | 13:56 |
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| mordred | voelzmo: but very long story short - I would like to have vendor files for every cloud, a proper spec for clouds.yaml so it can be consumed in every language and maybe even hopefully an oaktree service everywhere too | 14:01 |
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| voelzmo | @mordred sounds like a good idea. If we would have that, that would definitely make things easier for many people | 14:02 |
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| voelzmo | If you're interested: this is the test suite which we maintain to figure out if Cloud Foundry can be deployed to an OpenStack instance: https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/cf-openstack-validator/ | 14:02 |
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| mordred | voelzmo: awesome | 14:05 |
| mordred | voelzmo: any chance you're coming to the openstack summit in boston? I've got a Forum session on this topic there | 14:05 |
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| d0ugal | Is there a way to disable pbrs autodoc generation? https://docs.openstack.org/developer/pbr/#sphinx-autodoc | 14:42 |
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| voelzmo | @mordred somebody from my team is coming, I can't attend unfortunately | 14:44 |
| voelzmo | Do you have a link or more information on your Forum? | 14:44 |
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| clarkb | d0ugal: looks like yes https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/pbr/tree/pbr/builddoc.py#n171 | 14:53 |
| d0ugal | clarkb: aha, thanks! | 14:53 |
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| mordred | voelzmo: I don't think they've put forum things in schedule yet - but it's Tuesday at 4:40pm in room 102 "Exposing deployer choices to end users without death" | 15:07 |
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| annegentle | sdague aroo? | 17:59 |
| sdague | annegentle: yes | 17:59 |
| annegentle | sdague spelling around doesn't count when you're trying to make actual sounds :) | 17:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/project-navigator-data master: Add initial multi-file version registry documents https://review.openstack.org/454691 | 18:00 |
| sdague | heh | 18:00 |
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| cdent | i feel your email mordred | 18:20 |
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| cdent | but, mordred, I'm concerned about your day drinking | 18:22 |
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| mordred | cdent: I feel your concern for that, but my ability to understand that concern may be a bit imparied | 18:48 |
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| mordred | rosmaita: any chance you feel like educating me on vhd+ovf vs. vhd+bare? | 20:09 |
| rosmaita | mordred: sure | 20:11 |
| mordred | yay! | 20:11 |
| * rosmaita thinking | 20:12 | |
| rosmaita | ok, the easy part is 'bare' for the container format means that all you have is a payload in whatever the disk_format is | 20:12 |
| mordred | basic question is -if I just build an image locally with diskimage-builder (which will make a raw image to start) then I convert it to vhd with vhd-util - did I just made a vhd/bare or a vhd/ovf? | 20:12 |
| rosmaita | so vhd+bare would just be a plain .vhd file | 20:12 |
| mordred | rosmaita: gotcha - so I am probably making vhd/bare images | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | yep | 20:13 |
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| mordred | cool. fwiw, glance on rax seems perfectly content accepting them even though I'm (erroneoulsy) telling it vhd/ovf | 20:13 |
| mordred | so yay! | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | hmmmm .... well, it may ignore what you tell it and assume it's a bare vhd and run tests based on that | 20:14 |
| mordred | that would be friendly of it | 20:14 |
| rosmaita | it will store it as a vhd+ovf (it will package the vhd in ovf format) | 20:14 |
| rosmaita | which is gzipped, so technically ova, i think | 20:14 |
| mordred | ah - if I upload it as vhd/bare will it do that anyway? | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | (that's what i was thinking about) | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | yes, you don't get a choice | 20:15 |
| mordred | neat. I like not getting a choice, that's excellent | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | need to make sure nova gets what it expects | 20:15 |
| mordred | so for all intents and purposes, container_format is kind of ignored here | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | i mean, rax glance needs to do that | 20:15 |
| mordred | yah | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | yeah, container_format is ignored | 20:16 |
| mordred | is it basically always ignored? | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | mordred: pretty sure, gimme a min to check | 20:17 |
| mordred | neat! (I have some code to set it, but I became sure it was wrong - so now I'm thinking I should just not set it) | 20:17 |
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| clarkb | ovf can have additioanl info for disks sizes right? | 20:18 |
| mordred | (like, it seems container_format is maybe useful for nova to know - but in terms of the end-user api, it doesn't do a ton) | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | clarkb: yes, it's supposed to have a manifest file | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | which can be empty, that's what's done at rax | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | so you have a gzipped vhd + empty manifest.mf, i'm pretty sure | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | mordred: well, container_format *will* be set, but as part of the import process | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | so your final image in rax glance will have all appropriate properties on it | 20:20 |
| rosmaita | how are you passing in container_format? as part of the image_properties dict in the import task? | 20:20 |
| rosmaita | mordred: and you may be able to change the container_format as part of an image-update call, but that might make your image not bootable if nova checks it | 20:21 |
| mordred | rosmaita: yah - in the properties dict I thnk on upload | 20:22 |
| mordred | rosmaita: I'm going to test just omitting it | 20:22 |
| rosmaita | omitting it shoudl be find | 20:23 |
| rosmaita | *fine | 20:23 |
| mordred | sweet! thanks - this, i think, has cleared up many things for my brain | 20:23 |
| rosmaita | in fact, according to the docs, anything other than 'name' in there should cause the task to fail | 20:23 |
| rosmaita | https://developer.rackspace.com/docs/cloud-images/v2/api-reference/image-task-operations/#task-to-import-image | 20:23 |
| rosmaita | but the implementation may have been a bit looser than that | 20:23 |
| rosmaita | (apparently!) | 20:23 |
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| mordred | rosmaita: BWAHAHAHAHAH | 20:25 |
| mordred | rosmaita: I do not actually pass it in | 20:25 |
| mordred | rosmaita: :) | 20:25 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool ... don't! | 20:25 |
| mordred | rosmaita: I calculate it, but then don't use it | 20:25 |
| mordred | \o/ | 20:25 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: so, given no tc meeting, you want to chat briefly in IRC over the limits interface proposal | 20:31 |
| sdague | to figure out how off the rails I got it | 20:31 |
| lbragstad | sdague sure | 20:32 |
| lbragstad | cc dstanek in case you're around? | 20:32 |
| clarkb | rosmaita: mordred: one thing before I forget and maybe no one cares anymore but glanceclient requires you to provide a container format and won't error until after the image upload is done | 20:32 |
| clarkb | rosmaita: mordred so if peopel are using glanceclient at all anymore maybe that should be achnged given the info above? | 20:32 |
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| lbragstad | sdague have you had any other thoughts on the DELETE case? | 20:33 |
| lbragstad | sdague i specifically found that to be interesting | 20:33 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: I really haven't on the DELETE case, mostly I was trying to figure out if those interfaces jived with the general flow of keystone things | 20:35 |
| mordred | clarkb: maybe that's why we had the code in the first place | 20:35 |
| lbragstad | sdague yeah - based on the first once over, they seemed to be on (with the exception of the DELETE api) | 20:36 |
| sdague | yeh | 20:36 |
| mordred | while I'm asking people things ... | 20:36 |
| mordred | smcginnis: I've got code in shade making a rest call to os-volume_upload_image - but I can't for the life of me find docs on it - how did I ever come to start calling that and is it safe and a real thing? | 20:37 |
| lbragstad | sdague and just to double check the uniqueness of a registered default comes from (service_type, region, resource_name) | 20:37 |
| sdague | yes | 20:37 |
| rosmaita | clarkb: that's only if you create an image ... the "classic" image import as used at rackspace has you do an import, and then glance creates the image for you | 20:37 |
| lbragstad | sdague ok | 20:37 |
| sdague | I think from the unified limits concept spec, we kind of settled on that | 20:37 |
| lbragstad | right | 20:38 |
| lbragstad | this is probably getting into the implementation details, but do we need a standarization of resource_names? | 20:38 |
| lbragstad | in reading through the examples, having the size part of the naming convention has to be there for the project_default integer to make sense | 20:39 |
| sdague | lbragstad: standardize how? | 20:40 |
| * mordred likes standardizing names | 20:40 | |
| lbragstad | like - these are the resource types for nova? | 20:40 |
| lbragstad | ram_mb, core, etc... | 20:41 |
| lbragstad | cores* | 20:41 |
| sdague | so, honestly, I think that's going to become somewhat intractable | 20:43 |
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| sdague | I think it's kind of fine to leave the payload to the service | 20:43 |
| lbragstad | i think "resource_name": "ram", "project_default": 10 | 20:43 |
| sdague | and just make a schema | 20:43 |
| lbragstad | ok | 20:43 |
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| sdague | the preregistration of the resources in keystone means we can make sure we don't have garbage, they are scoped to a service-type, so we know that we can't end up in a situation where they conflict between services | 20:44 |
| sdague | beyond that, I think we probably should just say lower case, and some string lengh | 20:44 |
| EmilienM | lbragstad: hey, sorry. I'm afk today / tomorrow and Thursday. please let me know how can I help here or by email | 20:45 |
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| lbragstad | ok - so other than that it's up to the operator to register sane default of some kind following a naming convention that is hopefully easy to understand? | 20:45 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM i just wanted to give you a heads up that we've implemented - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/policy-in-code | 20:46 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM so from a deployment project perspective, that might help reduce some clutter in your policy file for keystone | 20:46 |
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| EmilienM | I haven't read my emails yet but have we announced that information to our deployers community? | 20:47 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM not on the mailing list | 20:47 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM but i can send something out if that helps | 20:47 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: well, my assumption is that services will have scripts to do that, like the endpoint registration today | 20:48 |
| sdague | lbragstad: they are going to have to match what the services need | 20:48 |
| lbragstad | sdague ah, sure | 20:49 |
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| lbragstad | sdague so, how is nova going to know which resource_name to use for cores? | 20:49 |
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| lbragstad | because nova will need to know which limit to use when calculating usage | 20:51 |
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| EmilienM | lbragstad: yes, it would be great to send an email with [deployment] tag and explicitly explain and also socialize this new feature; so people understand how they can now solve this problem, comparing to how they did before | 20:54 |
| EmilienM | lbragstad: by giving all informations they need to consume this feature (is there any doc? etc) | 20:55 |
| sdague | lbragstad: because it will be "cores", that's going to be what nova expects. | 20:55 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: I guess my expectation is there is going to be a little script with nova "set default limits" that is going to set the known nova keywords into keystone | 20:56 |
| sdague | that lives in the nova tree, and is a thing you do after installation | 20:56 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM done | 20:58 |
| lbragstad | sdague aha | 20:58 |
| lbragstad | sdague ++ ok - that makes sense | 20:58 |
| lbragstad | i like that idea | 20:58 |
| lbragstad | i was mainly worried about the name of the resource in keystone getting mismatched with what nova expects | 20:59 |
| lbragstad | i feel like allowing that to happen would be confusing | 20:59 |
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| rosmaita | sdague: do you have a minute for a quick nova api question about the list servers call? | 21:00 |
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| sdague | rosmaita: actually, I'm just closing up shop for the day and have to make dinner | 21:02 |
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| rosmaita | sdague: np, was just going to ask if the booleans in the query string are strict 'true' 'false' or permissive | 21:02 |
| rosmaita | like will accept 'yes' 'no' or 1 0 | 21:03 |
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| sdague | rosmaita: it seems to resolve to here - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/d52bcc616f2d1c0df7bad8a6f5a00adc7ad1fb27/nova/api/validation/parameter_types.py#L188-L194 | 21:05 |
| sdague | so, not strict | 21:05 |
| rosmaita | cool, ty ... enjoy your dinner! | 21:05 |
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| EmilienM | lbragstad: I'm not sure if you sent the email yet but i'm looking forward to reading it | 21:12 |
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| lbragstad | EmilienM i sent it to the operator list | 21:23 |
| lbragstad | EmilienM http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-April/013169.html | 21:26 |
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