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| openstackgerrit | Lingxian Kong proposed openstack/governance master: Add mistral-lib to governance list https://review.openstack.org/454409 | 01:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Hesketh proposed openstack/governance master: Fix comment about design summits https://review.openstack.org/454070 | 01:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ankur proposed openstack/governance master: feature-classification: a common lib for FeatCl frameworks https://review.openstack.org/452548 | 02:56 |
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| namnh | Hi everyone | 03:30 |
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| namnh | are there any pepple family who has a lot of experience with Grenade project? | 03:32 |
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| namnh | dtroyer, Hi Mr.Troyer. could I ask you a option? | 03:34 |
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| clarkb | namnh: my guess is dtroyer isnt currently near a computer due to timezones but if you ask someone may be able to answer | 03:40 |
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| namnh | Hi clarkb, thanks for your reply. i would like to ask him that are there any ways to grenade can run functional test? do you know? | 03:42 |
| clarkb | my understanding is grenade is focused on upgrade testing of a running cloud so functional testing of specifc projects is likely not in scope | 03:43 |
| namnh | clarkb, i think so too. I am adding a gate_grenade for Barbican. the core-review hope we can add functional testing when running grenade to ensure that everything is ok. | 03:46 |
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| namnh | clarkb, so I need to confirm this information, currently I don't find any ways to do this | 03:47 |
| clarkb | namnh: it runs tempest to check the cloud works after install and after upgrade | 03:48 |
| clarkb | so I think you'd configure it to run tempest tests for barbican | 03:48 |
| namnh | clarkb, I did this job. But I'd like to configure to run the barbican functional tests. so i think i need to confirm whether grenade can do this or not before configuation :) | 03:51 |
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| clarkb | I dont think its somethibg it does put of the box you can likely modify the job to run those tests after grenade is done | 03:52 |
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| namnh | clarkb, sure, I can do this without grenade, but I hope that grenade can run automatically. I just want to confirm this infromation before trying to config :) | 03:54 |
| namnh | clarkb, but I think grenade will not do this job. | 03:55 |
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| clayg | EmilienM: :'( - it's probably more fair to say "clayg doesn't want this patch" than to say "they/swift doesn't want this patch" - I'm not sure anyone else really feels/understands that changing the version produced by sdist when git history is available to be > the actual major.minor version we've released is ... wrong? Is wrong the right word? I think it's not helpful in the net general sense. | 05:56 |
| clayg | EmilienM: heh, for quip (hoping mordred will forgive me) it's not really a "patch" so much as a "commit message" ;) | 05:57 |
| clayg | EmilienM: If it helps at all we *are* overdue for a release? I'm guessing when we release and tag 2.14.0 somehing on your end will automatically start working again - and maybe that'll be good enough until this happens again next cycle? | 05:58 |
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| clayg | sigh, but I worry my radar is off | 06:04 |
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| clayg | heh, is the the current rdo package? https://github.com/rdo-packages/swift-distgit/blob/rpm-master/0001-remove-runtime-requirement-on-pbr.patch I think do something similar :P | 06:07 |
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| giuseppe1992 | Hi | 08:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add a "docs:follows-policy" tag https://review.openstack.org/445536 | 11:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/project-navigator-data master: Add a initial single-file version registry document https://review.openstack.org/454688 | 11:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/project-navigator-data master: Add initial multi-file version registry documents https://review.openstack.org/454691 | 11:58 |
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| cdent | mordred: OMG THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE EMAIL | 12:10 |
| cdent | I _feel_ this email | 12:10 |
| mordred | cdent: and I feel you feeling the email | 12:11 |
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| cdent | there are some rather good choices this time, I reckon | 12:14 |
| mordred | cdent: I agree! | 12:16 |
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| mordred | zaneb: hate to do this to you, but I have a strong disagreement with one of the new sentences in your governance patch, which is otherwise amazing | 12:32 |
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| dims | folks, we have just 5 candidates for TC... please consider running! | 12:35 |
| mordred | dims: wow, the times they have a-changed | 12:36 |
| dims | sad mordred | 12:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Add shade response to Pike community goals https://review.openstack.org/454703 | 12:40 |
| mordred | dims: or - maybe we're reaching a point of shared consensus enough that we don't have a ton of people feeling like they have a viewpoint that needs urgently to be heard (that's the optimistic view) | 12:41 |
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| cdent | mordred, dims: last time people didn't nominate themselves until the last moment, which this time around is sunday | 12:45 |
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| cdent | and there's likely some confusion about the change in pattern (with the middle week) | 12:46 |
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| sdague | yeh, there always is a lot of leaving things to the last minute | 12:47 |
| cdent | is there a definition of sufficient candidates to make a legit vote | 12:47 |
| sdague | cdent: nope | 12:47 |
| cdent | it would be very disappointing to get in by default | 12:47 |
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| dtroyer | we'd love ya anyway cdent | 12:51 |
| dtroyer | sdague is right, though, the pattern is for last-minute announcements | 12:51 |
| * cdent nods | 12:51 | |
| dtroyer | or at least last day | 12:51 |
| cdent | I know it isnt really practical, but I think it ought to be easier/more formalized to nominate other people. | 12:52 |
| mordred | do we have a specific rule preventing that? | 12:53 |
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| mordred | I mean, the nomination is a patch to a repo - one could argue that you should be able to nominate someone else and then have them +1 it as an ack | 12:54 |
| cdent | true | 12:54 |
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| cdent | in the past, though, I've been told that because of the "need to be sure you have support of your employer and time etc", it's probably not a great move | 12:55 |
| mordred | well- I mean, the human could always -1 the nomination | 12:55 |
| mordred | the argument could easily be made that self-nomination feels too much like self-promition so anybody with even a smidge of impostors syndrome wouldn't think of taking the step | 12:56 |
| mordred | but could be gratified by someone else doing it enough to go see support from their employer | 12:56 |
| mordred | (just thinking out loud, of course) | 12:56 |
| dtroyer | I don't think the current rule prevents nominating others, but I haven't read that part in a while | 12:56 |
| mordred | I always just depend on ttx's memory to know what the rules are | 12:57 |
| dtroyer | mordred: that's a good point in using a nomination to get the internal support | 12:57 |
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| mordred | dtroyer, sdague, dims: while I've got you here - don't forget to add openstack/project-navigator-data to your watched projects | 12:59 |
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| sdague | mordred: honestly, I think the better option than nominating someone else, is talking to them about it and asking them to run | 13:00 |
| mordred | flaper87, ttx, johnthetubaguy, fungi, EmilienM, mtreinish, thingee, stevemar: ^^ you too | 13:00 |
| mordred | sdague: nod. that's certainly an acceptable step | 13:01 |
| EmilienM | mordred: thanks for the reminder, I didn't have it in Gertty until now! | 13:01 |
| mordred | woot! | 13:02 |
| * mordred has been useful for today, can start drinking | 13:02 | |
| cdent | sdague: the advantage of a written nomination is the way in which you can wield it with your management. that may be lame, but could be a factor for some people. | 13:02 |
| EmilienM | mordred: no wait 5pm | 13:02 |
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| cdent | there we go one, more just in | 13:08 |
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| jhesketh | I had written it earlier, but was sitting on it and contemplating if it was something that I would actually be useful at.. If elected I hope I can add value and be of service to the community | 13:12 |
| cdent | jhesketh++ | 13:12 |
| ttx | cdent: we do self-noimination to avoid having the nominated have to confirm they are OK to run | 13:17 |
| ttx | We used to have other people nominate candidates, but that increased the amount of work election officials have to do | 13:17 |
| cdent | yeah, the practical reasons are, uh, practical. but I sometimes wish the world was different :) | 13:18 |
| ttx | You would be surprised how much cat herding was necessary to have people confirm they were ok to run. Delayed the whole process by a week | 13:18 |
| ttx | The alternative would be to have everyone nominated on the ballot and then ask people if they are happy to serve once elected. But then you don't really have campaigning | 13:19 |
| cdent | things work as they are now, as long as there is sufficient behind the scenes encouragement of potential | 13:20 |
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| zaneb | mordred: I knew there was a pretty good chance of something like that happening once we started putting technical stuff in there :D | 13:24 |
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| mordred | zaneb: :) | 13:26 |
| cdent | speaking of nominating: zaneb, I think you should consider running for TC again | 13:27 |
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| mordred | zaneb: this is why it's important to keep things in platitudes and not in with technical details | 13:27 |
| zaneb | lol | 13:27 |
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| zaneb | mordred: replied on the review | 13:38 |
| zaneb | mordred: tl;dr I support whatever you and sdague can agree on doing with the footnote :) | 13:38 |
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| mordred | zaneb: woot! | 13:40 |
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| zaneb | cdent: I will copy-and-paste you the same PM I just sent dims on that subject ;) | 13:47 |
| cdent | roger that | 13:47 |
| dims | zaneb : w00t | 13:47 |
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| mordred | sdague: when you have a sec, I'd love to chat about zaneb's governance patch so we can agree | 14:05 |
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| sdague | mordred: ok, sure | 14:08 |
| mordred | sdague: (I just put in a follow up suggestion in the patch - which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447031) | 14:09 |
| mordred | sdague: but my big worry is that I don't want to accidentally express what would become _the_ tech solution in this doc - but I get what you're saying about showing that there is at least a possible way | 14:11 |
| sdague | mordred: ok, I'm fine with you softening it | 14:11 |
| sdague | it is in a foot note, and a "for instance" so it seems like an idea | 14:11 |
| mordred | (I do think we should decide on one single solution and drive it hard - I just have a hunch that's going to need to be a much deeper argument about which approach can work for everyone) | 14:12 |
| mordred | sdague: cool | 14:12 |
| mordred | zaneb: ^^ sdague and I are good, I think | 14:12 |
| sdague | mordred: yeh, my concern was just exposing some plausible promiss so that people knew what they were buying into a bit | 14:13 |
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| flaper87 | mordred: ++ | 14:14 |
| zaneb | mordred, sdague: how's this? http://paste.openstack.org/show/605760/ | 14:14 |
| mordred | zaneb: looks great to me | 14:14 |
| sdague | wfm | 14:15 |
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| zaneb | oh, forgot the bit at the end | 14:15 |
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| mordred | I don't think it's needed - I think the for instance does it for me | 14:15 |
| zaneb | could put "Obviously the exact technical solutions will be determined through the usual open design process." | 14:16 |
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| mordred | zaneb: I also like that sentence :) | 14:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications https://review.openstack.org/447031 | 14:24 |
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| zaneb | mordred, sdague: done | 14:24 |
| mordred | zaneb, sdague: thanks! | 14:24 |
| zaneb | no worries | 14:24 |
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| dave-johnston | Hi Guys, I've been looking to spend some of my work time contributing to Openstack. So far I've been struggling to find a good starter bug. Can anyone suggest a good place to start (lots of low hanging fruit bugs seem to be assigned, while others seem to have previous commits rejected due to disagreement over the fix). | 15:40 |
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| clarkb | dave-johnston: I've always suggested people start in an sub area that interests them. Then if you find that a lot of low hanging fruit bugs are already taken or ran into controversy over fixes I'd directly reach out to the PTL of the project in question and see if they know if things are actually being fixed, sort out disagreements, or maybe point at some other good work item for contribution | 15:48 |
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| dave-johnston | clarkb: Thanks. | 15:49 |
| dave-johnston | clarkb: Is there a list of the sub areas - or do you mean Nova, Neutron, Heat etc ? | 15:50 |
| clarkb | dave-johnston: yup | 15:50 |
| dave-johnston | clarkb: Cool. I'll see if I can find the team lead details , and take it from there | 15:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/governance master: update pike goal document for trove/python35 goal https://review.openstack.org/454700 | 16:15 |
| amrith | stevemar, that ok? ^^ | 16:16 |
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| stevemar | amrith: almost :) http://docs-draft.openstack.org/00/454700/2/check/gate-governance-docs-ubuntu-xenial/998f7eb//doc/build/html/goals/pike/python35.html#trove | 17:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/governance master: update pike goal document for trove/python35 goal https://review.openstack.org/454700 | 17:41 |
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| stevemar | amrith: ^ | 17:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance master: Add enterprise-wg repo for User Committee https://review.openstack.org/454859 | 19:10 |
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| amrith | stevemar, thanks | 19:28 |
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| voelzmo | Hey there! What is the best way to run a devstack on a mac currently? | 20:14 |
| voelzmo | I tried https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack-vagrant but that fails horribly in all kinds of cases | 20:16 |
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| dtroyer | not sure how up-to-date devstack-vagrant is, but it should do fine in any VM you can build, say starting with a xenial UEC image | 20:23 |
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| dtroyer | where 'it' == running devstack directly in a vm | 20:23 |
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| voelzmo | @dtroyer so people handcraft their devstack setup? There is no solution that 'just works' as vagrant would be? | 20:27 |
| dtroyer | you can use vagrant to build your vm, sure, but I've split my workflow into 1) build a xenail vm, 2) install devstack | 20:27 |
| dtroyer | rather than try to do it all at once, there are a lot of moving parts | 20:28 |
| dtroyer | I have a library of common local.conf files for various uses, clone devstack, copy in a local.conf and go | 20:29 |
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