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| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/governance master: [I18n] Renew & add Zanata dev members as extra ATC https://review.openstack.org/451625 | 02:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/governance master: [I18n] Renew & add Zanata dev members as extra ATC https://review.openstack.org/451625 | 02:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Move shade into its own top-level team https://review.openstack.org/446426 | 09:12 |
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| dims | jaypipes : mordred : https://review.openstack.org/451860 | 15:22 |
| dims | sent an update to the ML thread as well (etcdgw) ^ | 15:23 |
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| aloga_ | johnthetubaguy: regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438640 if you want I can try to elaborate better on the use-case via IRC | 15:37 |
| aloga_ | johnthetubaguy: maybe it is more clear :) | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | aloga: would be good to chat, I didn't get why you would not charge for under 1 hour of usage | 15:56 |
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| aloga | johnthetubaguy: :) | 15:57 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: I do not mean that this is always like that, but some providers may wish to do so | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | aloga: sure, I they would have to customise/re-configure the scheduler in the usual way | 15:58 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: for instance, AWS does like that | 15:58 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: so, what I mean, is that the policy should be configurable as well | 15:58 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: (via pluggable stuff, like we're doing now with filters and weighers) | 15:59 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: not something hardcoded | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | aloga: right, its just using the same system, you can change it in the usual ways, surely that enough? | 15:59 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: indeed :) | 15:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | aloga: OK, so maybe its just my wording in the spec that doesn't make it clear, this is about the default filter and weights | 16:00 |
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| aloga | johnthetubaguy: perfect! we're on the same track then | 16:01 |
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| aloga | johnthetubaguy: IRC is faster and better than gerrit :) | 16:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | aloga: +1 all that | 16:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | aloga: I am curious what you think about the quota discussion in there, it feels like they have to have separate quota | 16:02 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: that's one of the rough edges indeed | 16:03 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: I do think that these should be on a separate quota | 16:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | aloga: yeah, thats what I was thinking, it seems almost useless without that | 16:04 |
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| aloga | johnthetubaguy: otherwise you have to grant a large quota to your users, and then the quota becomes useless | 16:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 16:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think this is useful when you allow folks to "nick" other peoples regular quota, until they want it | 16:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | basically using quota as a reservation system | 16:06 |
| aloga | yes, indeed | 16:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | that and leaving space to do live-migration based shuffles, you just kill off all the premptable instances when you need to do that thing | 16:07 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: another aspect, not in my original spec and not in yours | 16:07 |
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| aloga | johnthetubaguy: is what happens when the user has not consumed its quota, but there are no more preemptible slots available | 16:07 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: some people think that the request should not end in an error, but be queued | 16:08 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: I disagree with them though | 16:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, thats definitely and error, in my head at least | 16:08 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 16:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, queuing system is something for outside of Nova | 16:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | good point, we should be explicit about that | 16:09 |
| aloga | that's out of scope IMO here | 16:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, totally | 16:09 |
| aloga | otherwise, this gets much more complicated, and I do not think it is worth adding that complexity here | 16:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the real question here, is with this set of behaviours, how could you build it outside of Nova, and I don't see how you could right now, but all those other bells and whistles could totally live outside of nova | 16:10 |
| aloga | johnthetubaguy: related with this, I totally agree with you in the "this is not a batch system" section | 16:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats a useful tool, and mesos might do that for you some how, but its not a Nova thing | 16:11 |
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| aloga | johnthetubaguy: I have to leave, nice to chat with you :) | 16:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | aloga: and you, talk soon | 16:14 |
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| lbragstad | sdague thanks for pushing a new patch set to the unified limits spec - i'll review the latest today for sure | 17:56 |
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| sdague | lbragstad: great, thanks | 18:02 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Hi, around? I have a question of sqlalchemy 1.1 | 19:53 |
| zzzeek | therve: hi | 19:53 |
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| therve | zzzeek, mistral just got the update, and it breaks the test suite | 19:53 |
| therve | zzzeek, Wondering if there is some known upgrade issue, especially around mutable usage | 19:54 |
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| zzzeek | therve: small issues w/ upgrades are to be expected typically people are asking me for help where we can usually look in http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_1_1/changelog/migration_11.html and find the change in question | 19:55 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Yeah I skimmed through this, but couldn't find anything relevant to that issue | 19:56 |
| therve | I saw the new MutableList/Set, but I don't think it would impact MutableDict for example | 19:56 |
| zzzeek | therve: feel free to share details / stack trace / etc | 19:56 |
| therve | Yes sorry, one sec | 19:57 |
| therve | zzzeek, From what I understand, we have this column https://github.com/openstack/mistral/blob/master/mistral/db/v2/sqlalchemy/models.py#L172 | 19:57 |
| therve | And changes to the dict aren't detected properly anymore with 1.1.7 (while working with 1.0.17) | 19:58 |
| therve | https://github.com/openstack/mistral/blob/master/mistral/db/sqlalchemy/types.py is where those types are defined | 19:58 |
| zzzeek | therve: i see nothing wrong with the code here | 20:00 |
| zzzeek | therve: you can make an isolated script using this type directly as a test | 20:00 |
| therve | zzzeek, That's a good idea, I'll try to write something | 20:00 |
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| zzzeek | therve: works for me: http://paste.openstack.org/show/604918/ | 20:08 |
| zzzeek | therve: what often is happening is, somehting somewhere else is not working, causing the changes you think are being made to not actually occur as expected | 20:08 |
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| therve | Ah | 20:10 |
| therve | zzzeek, It doesn't with JsonLongDictType | 20:10 |
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| therve | Hum wait I have garbage | 20:11 |
| zzzeek | therve: http://paste.openstack.org/show/604920/ | 20:11 |
| zzzeek | mysql + jsonlongdict | 20:11 |
| therve | zzzeek, Yeah sorry | 20:11 |
| zzzeek | therve: anyway, anytime you have a regression, this is the job we usually have to do :) make little tiny proof of concepts til the broken part is found | 20:12 |
| therve | zzzeek, Yeah, it's just deep down inside the pile of stuff nobody wants to ever look at :) | 20:13 |
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| zzzeek | therve: when you find it, it will be technical debt b.c. SQLA's changes are always in the direction of better explicitness/correctness | 20:15 |
| therve | zzzeek, Thanks for you help, those small examples are good find | 20:15 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Found it http://paste.openstack.org/show/604924/ ! | 20:52 |
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| zzzeek | therve: OK, looking | 21:02 |
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| zzzeek | therve: looking like SQLA regression so far | 21:06 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Thanks for looking. Have to go now, I'll open a bug tomorrow | 21:11 |
| zzzeek | therve: I got it, ill open the bug | 21:11 |
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| therve | Ah great, thanks again | 21:11 |
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