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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Wiki is broken with database problems, we are working to resolve it08:30
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Wiki problems have been fixed, it's up and running08:38
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arslanqhi guys, is there any API available through which i can check that what service plugin or core plugin for neutron i am using ?09:14
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add a "docs:install-guide-verified" tag  https://review.openstack.org/44553610:01
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add a "docs:install-guide-verified" tag  https://review.openstack.org/44553611:10
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Add a "docs:install-guide-verified" tag  https://review.openstack.org/44553611:12
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amrithgreetings ... did we finally decide not to do log translations any longer?12:00
amrithi.e. all the _, _LE, _LI, _LW stuff must now go?12:00
amrithI know it came up on the ML but I didn't realize that it had been decided.12:00
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Dinesh_Bhoramrith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446762/12:04
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amrithDinesh_Bhor, the thing that is confusing about this is the following12:18
amrithhttp://markmail.org/message/cp7bjhuhqq6gcger12:18
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amrithfrom dhellmann12:18
amrithNow, I understand the idea of getting rid of all _[L[EW]] strings12:19
amrithbut what does it mean to say that we retain them for API messages?12:19
amrithand that change hasn't merged :)12:20
amrithdhellmann, yt?12:22
Dinesh_Bhoramrith: aah, thanks. I am also curious to clear this now.12:24
amrithalso, code uses _, _LE, _LW, _LI. what are we removing? all of them or only the _L* things?12:24
amrithremoving all the _ things will be a nightmare12:25
Dinesh_Bhoramrith: I guess we are only removing _L* and keeping _12:26
amrithThat's interesting. what do we do, make the _L* into _ or just lose them?12:27
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Dinesh_Bhoramrith: just remove them: Nova- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447466/2,  cinder- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443976/12:29
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amrithwell, but they don't use naked "_"'s12:30
smcginnisamrith: We still want _() for exception messages that may get returned to end users.12:30
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amrithor do they?12:30
amrithhey smcginnis12:30
smcginnisamrith: But all the _L[I|E|W] can be removed.12:30
smcginnisamrith: :)12:30
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amrith_LE can't go to users?12:30
smcginnisamrith: No, anything that can go to the user should use _().12:30
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amrithwell, we have common code which hurls exceptions and these get passed back to the user (sometimes)12:31
smcginnisamrith: The rest should only be for log messages, and it was pretty overwhelming from end users that there wasn't value there.12:31
amrithso we really can't say for sure where the bloody thing will end up12:31
amrithso I get it that _LE and _LW can change to (nothing)12:31
smcginnisamrith: If it may or may not get to the user, I think it should use _().12:31
amrithbut just _?12:31
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amrithso it isn't a matter of just remove _LI and _LW, it is more like remove _LI and _LW and any _'s which may go only to log files ...12:32
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amrithso we still have loads of LOG.info(_("Have a nice day dude!"))12:32
amrithkinds of things12:32
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amrithso that now has to change too ...12:32
amrithto LOG.info("Your day just got to be shit")12:32
smcginnisamrith: Well, technically _() should not have been used for anything that just went to the log, but yes.12:32
smcginnisThat LOG.info(_("wrong")) was not correct.12:33
amrithgrep -r 'LOG.info(_("' . | wc -l12:33
amrithreturns 23512:33
amrithLOG.error 5412:34
smcginnisamrith: Should probably fix that anyway then. :D12:34
smcginnisamrith: In Cinder we had hacking checks to make sure that wasn't done.12:34
amrithbut exceptions remain translated12:34
amrithyeah, I've only in the last couple of years been enforcing the 'no random code cleanup without a hacking rule' rule12:35
smcginnisamrith: Definitely - this should stay: raise YoureScrewedException(_('Good luck with that'))12:35
amrithso now, for the first time, we can safely say that if you LOG.debug(_("..."))12:35
amrithit will kick you out befor eyou can merge12:35
amrithoh, we have that one. we use it a lot. but we're polite ...12:35
sdaguesmcginnis: did you write a script to process all of yours in one go?12:36
amrithraise TroveRandomException(_('Undefined error ' +12:36
amrith''.join(random.choice(string.lowercase) for x in range(10))12:36
amrith)12:36
smcginnissdague: No, with the formatting differences I decided a script would get too complicated. I just went through and edited files and grep'd for anything I may have missed.12:37
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smcginnisThen a lot of :%s/_LE//g and cleanup.12:37
sdaguesmcginnis: fair, yeh, I was doing a few hear and there over coffee in the morning12:37
amrithno sdague see: https://review.openstack.org/447839, https://review.openstack.org/44780912:37
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smcginnissdague: It just ended up being a little time consuming, but really not too bad.12:38
smcginnissdague: Removing the local definitions of _LE, etc. made it pretty obvious if anything was missed.12:38
sdaguesmcginnis: yeh, the nova code would make it way too merge conflicting to do that12:38
amrithwell, then once you do the substitutions, you have re-indent the code for python rules :)12:38
sdagueamrith: if you enforce those12:38
smcginnissdague: I was surprised there were not more merge conflicts in Cinder.12:38
amrithsdague, we've had a slow creep of people wanting to add more and more hacking rules12:38
amrithand this random indentation bullshit has crept in12:39
amrithso we will be in merge hell for a lifetime with this change, especially given that some companies are going to use this as a way to divide up the workload and get N contributors on trove.12:39
amritheach will fix a half dozen files ...12:39
amrithand given that our gate now passes about 3% of time time, I figure that by the release ZZ2 they will have them all merged12:40
smcginnisamrith: That's why I decided to use the big hammer and get it all done in one go. No point in dragging it out.12:40
amrithsmcginnis, I have been using that exact expression for a different solution recenty.12:40
amriths/recenty/recently/12:41
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smcginnisLooks like all docs jobs are failing for Cinder but it looks like other projects are fine.12:51
smcginnisAnyone else seeing: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'poll'12:51
smcginnishttp://logs.openstack.org/75/446475/6/check/gate-cinder-docs-ubuntu-xenial/cb8b02a/console.html#_2017-03-21_11_43_39_58231812:51
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smcginnisDoesn't look related to any Cinder code, but I don't see other failures.12:52
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amrithsmcginnis, I'm seeing something failing due to designate but not this poll thing12:57
sdaguesmcginnis: eventlet12:58
sdaguesee ihar's post to the ML on the change that neutron made12:58
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smcginnissdague: Ah, must of missed the post. I'll take a look. Thanks for the pointer.12:58
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Sahara Artifacts to deploy through WSGI  https://review.openstack.org/44111713:02
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add sushy under Ironic governance  https://review.openstack.org/44504613:02
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add IRC channel to rpm-packaging  https://review.openstack.org/44686313:03
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smcginnissdague: Any idea if eventlet does some kind of monkey patching on select? That failure is in the python proper subprocess code.13:13
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sdaguesmcginnis: all I know is what's in ihar's email13:13
smcginnisack13:13
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bulatHi. Folks please take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447318/13:43
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openstackgerritRoman Podoliaka proposed openstack/governance master: placement-osc-plugin: an OSC plugin for Placement service  https://review.openstack.org/44811714:14
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: Move DIB from TripleO to Infra  https://review.openstack.org/44561715:35
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auvipyhello guys15:41
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auvipyI was looking for some info about openstack internship15:42
auvipyCoding15:42
auvipyKeystone/Infra - LDAP testing job15:42
auvipyAlthough the OpenStack Identity Service (keystone) supports LDAP as identity backend, we currently don’t have any functional tests running in such scenario. We would like to add a new job to OpenStack’s CI where keystone would be deployed with LDAP as the identity backend. This project involves several pieces of the OpenStack upstream infra/CI.15:42
auvipyDifficultyMedium15:42
auvipyTopicsKeystone, Infra, CI15:42
auvipyRequired skillsPython, Bash15:42
auvipyExtra skillsTests on CI, but we'll teach you15:42
auvipyMentorrodrigods15:42
auvipyStatusLooking for candidates15:42
auvipyProgramMay 2017 - August 201715:42
auvipyabout this idea15:42
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rodrigodshi auvipy, the mentor would be me15:43
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auvipyhi rodri :D15:43
auvipygithub.com/auvipy15:43
auvipythis is my github profile15:43
auvipyI would like to know about contribution/bug list/any general guidelines15:44
rodrigodsauvipy, let's chat in the pvt15:44
auvipyOK15:44
auvipyplz pm me15:44
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: Move shade into its own top-level team  https://review.openstack.org/44642616:36
openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/governance master: More gracefully handle intra-openstack moves  https://review.openstack.org/44819116:36
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EmilienMdims: o/ I would love your feedback on [deployment][tripleo] Next steps for configuration management in TripleO (and other tools?) when you have time16:44
EmilienMjaypipes: ^ also fyi16:44
EmilienMit's highly related to the threads about etcd, etc16:44
jaypipesEmilienM: cool, will read.16:44
EmilienMthx16:44
dimsEmilienM : i thought i replied on that thread16:45
EmilienMdims: this one? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114246.html16:46
dimsah apologies16:47
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EmilienMdims: no worries16:49
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed openstack/governance master: Resolution on OpenStack's mission for cloud applications  https://review.openstack.org/44703116:51
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Update keystone goals for python 35 support  https://review.openstack.org/44821117:46
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mordredzaneb: I haven't read the whole thing yet -but I like your first paragraph very much17:57
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zanebgood start :)17:58
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dimssmcginnis : for the record, only way to fix eventlet is to get rid of it :)17:59
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smcginnisdims: Or properly handle calls to poll(). :)18:01
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dimssmcginnis : if you saw the prev bug, that was logged by me :)18:01
smcginnisdims: I did. Do you know why poll() is removed in the first place?18:02
smcginnisdims: Seems like with the better thing would be to NOT remove poll and just reroute it internally.18:02
smcginnisdims: Or remove it upstream so it's not an issue.18:04
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mordredzaneb: I have read the rest of it and like the vast majority of the words you have written18:09
mordreddims: I agree re: eventlet18:09
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zanebmordred: excellent. I look forward to your comments on the others :)18:09
mordredzaneb: I have just provided them18:09
mordredzaneb: most of my comments are some form of the word yes18:09
* zaneb goes to read18:09
mordredzaneb: I realize I may have missed a fun opportunity to say yes in multiple languages. crap18:10
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zanebmordred: there's always patch set 3 ;)18:14
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mordredzaneb: oh golly don't I know it18:17
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zanebmordred: I replied to your comment with some possible updated wording18:44
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iwonkaHi everyone19:44
iwonkaI'm applying to Outreachy internships and I want to work for Sahara19:44
iwonkaand I'm trying to set up dev env19:44
iwonkaand I can run the client, but I do not have the dataprocessing service19:45
iwonkadoes anyone knowhow to solvethis issue?19:45
clarkbiwonka: hi there. Looks like sahara has an irc channel at #openstack-sahara (logs at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-sahara/) they may be able to give you better sahara specific dev env advice19:45
clarkbiwonka: as for general dev env things, devstack is a common tool used by many devs19:45
clarkbiwonka: there are directions for using devstack to set up sahara at https://docs.openstack.org/developer/sahara/devref/devstack.html19:46
iwonkaI talked with elmiko on openstack-sahra and he sent me here19:46
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iwonkaI followed the guide you sent me19:46
clarkbiwonka: ok that guide is maintained by the sahara devs... not sure why they would send people here to debug it further :/ did ./stack.sh complete successfully and print out ip addresses for the dashboard and things like that?19:47
iwonkayes, it did19:47
clarkbiwonka: the next thing I would debug is whether or not the service shows up in your catalog19:49
iwonkaelmiko said "at a guess it sounds like the dataprocessing plugin is not making it into the deployed openstack command"19:49
clarkbiwonka: you will want to source openrc && openstack catalog list (I think thats the set of commands to use)19:49
iwonkaso that's probably the reason to send me there19:49
clarkbiwonka: yes you need to have enable_plugin sahara git://git.openstack.org/openstack/sahara in your local.conf (its documented at that page I linked)19:49
clarkbbut then its up to sahara's plugin to configure the service19:50
iwonkathe comamnd you sent shows a table and one of the things is named sahara and type is dataprocessing19:50
clarkbiwonka: awesome. That means it thinks it installed something19:51
clarkbcan you check if anything is listening at the url for that service?19:51
iwonkahow?19:51
clarkbcurl against it and see what you get back19:51
clarkbor use netstat -lnp and compare port numbers19:51
clarkbcurl $url_from_catalog_list19:52
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iwonkanetstat -lnp | grep 8386 (the port I found in endpoints) gives:19:53
iwonkatcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8386            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      14305/python19:53
clarkbawesome, so there is a python process listenign there. now if you ps -elf | grep 14305 you can likely confirm it is a sahara process19:54
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clarkband with that done we should be confident that the service is available. So next question would be what are you observing that tells you the sahara service isn't available? and lets debug from there19:54
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iwonkayeah, it seems to be sahara19:55
iwonkalike /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/sahara-api --config-file /etc/sahara/sahara.conf19:55
clarkbya that should be sahara service for data processing19:56
iwonkawhen I do openstack --help | grep data i get19:56
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iwonka                        HMAC key for encrypting profiling context data19:56
iwonka  software deployment metadata show  Get deployment configuration metadata for the specified server.19:56
iwonka  stack resource metadata  Show resource metadata19:56
iwonka  stack resource signal  Signal a resource with optional data.19:56
iwonkaso there's no dataprocessing19:56
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clarkbgotcha, openstackclient comes with a small base set of commands supported, the rest are added via plugins from various project clients. You likely need to install python-saharaclient to get their openstackclient plugin (its also possible they don't have an openstackclient plugin and you need to use python-saharaclient directly, I'm not sure).19:58
clarkbto check that run `pip freeze | grep sahara` and seeif python-saharaclient shows up19:58
iwonkait gave -e git://git.openstack.org/openstack/sahara@1931533ca21116f9d3b3cf2a30b76244dba1da53#egg=sahara19:58
clarkbiwonka: but no 'python-saharaclient' string?19:59
iwonkano, that's all the output19:59
clarkbif not then next you will want to pip install python-saharaclient and then retry your openstack command19:59
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clarkbif that then works, you could propose a patch to the sahara devstack plugin to install python-saharaclient for ease of use (I can walk you through that process too if you like)19:59
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clarkbhttps://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/sahara/tree/devstack/plugin.sh#n239 looks like it may already try to install saharaclient so something else may be going on (but lets not get ahead of the earlier debugging and see if that fixes it)20:01
clarkb(actually I see the problem so we can fix this once we confirm it works with the proposed steps)20:02
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iwonkaon openstack-sahara channel they suggested installing in in virtualenv20:03
clarkbthats fine too, but not necessary (and by default none of the installing devstack does is in a virtualenv so its probably not necessary)20:03
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iwonkaokay20:04
clarkbonce you have it installed and confirmed to be working let me know and I can explain what broke here and we can work on a patch to fix it20:04
iwonkaokay, I'm waiting for openstack to restart, sorry for the delay20:05
clarkbno rush, I'll be around20:06
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add naming poll info for R release  https://review.openstack.org/44573320:06
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/governance master: Add Golang CTI  https://review.openstack.org/41035520:11
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance master: Add Golang CTI  https://review.openstack.org/41035520:20
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iwonkaclarkb: I enabled sahara-dashboard in my local.conf and after restarting openstack I have dataprocessing20:40
iwonkaso it's one solution to the problem20:40
iwonkaI can test whether the other one works20:40
clarkbiwonka: cool. If you look at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/sahara/tree/devstack/plugin.sh#n168 you will see this function to install python-saharaclient which installs the openstackclient plugin. The problem is it only installs it if the flag to install it from source is set20:41
clarkbiwonka: so you want to add an else clause to that that contains `pip_install python-saharaclient`20:41
clarkbiwonka: you can see an example of using the pip_install function at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/sahara/tree/devstack/plugin.sh#n15520:42
clarkbthat way the client will be installed from pypi and not just when the source install is specified20:42
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clarkbiwonka: if you want to make that edit and push it to sahara I would be happy to help20:44
iwonkayes, I want to20:45
iwonkaI've submitted one patch earlier today, so should I wait for it to be accepted?20:46
clarkbyou don't need to wait before submitting a new patch20:46
clarkbI would go ahead and add the else block to pip_install python-saharaclient and push that to gerrit20:47
clarkbthen let me know the change number and I can review it20:47
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iwonkasure, thanks20:48
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iwonkaclarkb: pip_install example you sent me has something in square brackets. should I use them? I think pip_install is openstack predefined function, am I right? (i couldn't find any documentation other than to pip install, but with ' ' not '-')21:01
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clarkbiwonka: the square brackets you can ignore (thats a special way to install optional dependencies for a package. What it says in that example is install the optional dependencies for tooz related to zookeeper. In this case no optional dependencies are needed, we just want python-saharaclient). As for pip_install thats defined by devstack. Since the devstack plugin is executed within the context of21:02
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clarkbdevstack it can use any of the devstack functions. I will get a link to where it is defined in a moment21:02
clarkbiwonka: in this case its going to make sure we pip install to the correct python that devstack is using (among other things)21:03
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iwonkaclarkb: ok, I changed it21:04
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iwonkashould I fill a bug report? and then submit it as a solution?21:05
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clarkbiwonka: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/inc/python#n219 that is where it is defined21:05
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clarkbiwonka: thats probably the most correct way to do it yes21:05
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clarkbiwonka: I have to step away from the computer for about 20 or 30 minutes, happy to keep helping if you have more questions (just keep aksing and I will answer as I am able)21:08
iwonkaclarkb: ok, thanks21:08
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EmilienMttx, sdague : do you know who started https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-user-api-improvements ?21:18
EmilienMclarkb: ^21:19
EmilienMI'm wondering who by the colors :)21:19
mriedemdidn't mordred start that thread?21:19
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clarkbwas me21:20
EmilienMmriedem: maybe but in that case he would write at 3rd person line 1221:20
EmilienMI knew it! thx clarkb :)21:20
clarkbI am yhe two greens anf 90% of the text21:20
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EmilienMclarkb: do you want to be the moderator?21:21
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clarkbya I put my name on it on the etherpad mordred had shown interest in the past but I cant speak for him21:22
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EmilienMok21:22
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EmilienMclarkb: did you propose Future of UX in OpenStack ?21:29
clarkbno I did not21:29
clarkbI think that may have been ttx?21:29
EmilienMor wait, I see ttx and Shamail21:29
EmilienMclarkb: yeah sorry21:29
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clarkbiwonka: ok I am mostly back around for the next few hours. Feel free to link me to the gerrit change review when its up and I can review it21:45
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iwonkaclarkb:21:49
iwonkaI messed with git a little bit21:50
iwonkaand I wasn't sure if the patch was actually submitted21:50
clarkbiwonka: did you run `git review`? if you did it should have written out the url to the change in its output21:50
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iwonkahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/448291/21:51
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clarkbiwonka: ok I left a couple reviews. One is mostly argument for why this is correct approach, the other is for way to address the inline comment on handling branch info21:56
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clarkbiwonka: basically you want to use pip_install_gr which will install the client using the version specified in openstack's global requirements (which is branch aware)21:56
iwonkaclarkb: ok, and can I ask come silly questions?21:57
clarkbsure, I'm happy to answer as best I can21:57
iwonkaso, I didn't realise the repo changes so often and I really have to run git pull21:58
iwonkaso this version of the patch is based on older version of repo21:58
iwonkanow I've updated it21:58
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iwonkaand I tried to resubmit the patch, based on up-to-date version21:59
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iwonkaand I couldn't, it said there's nothing to commit21:59
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iwonkaso I deleted the branch, made a new one and I want to make changes in this new branch21:59
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iwonkaand I'm not sure how to submit this change22:00
iwonkaI mean22:00
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clarkbiwonka: easiest thing might be for me to walk you through it from start to finish22:01
iwonkaokay22:01
clarkbiwonka: the first thing you want is to update master to reflect what upstream master is22:01
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clarkbif you do a `git remote update` this will teach your local repo about any upstream changes without modifying your checked out copy. Start there then run `git status` whcih will tell you if you are up to date or behind and if you are behind it will let you know if you can fast forward22:02
iwonkaup to date22:02
iwonkaso it's okay22:03
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clarkbcool, now if you `git review -d 448291` it will fetch your change from gerrit and check it out into a branch for you. Go ahead and do this now to get a "clean" checkout of that change22:04
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iwonkadone22:07
iwonkait said it switched to branch with the bug22:08
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clarkbperfect, now you want to `git rebase -i master`22:11
clarkbthat should give you an editor with a line like "pick somehash "yourchangetitle" just save and quit if thats what you get22:11
iwonkait is22:12
iwonkabut I have to change the commit message22:12
iwonkait's not here?22:12
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clarkboh yes if you want to change the commit message too then change pick to reword I think22:14
clarkblet me double check22:14
clarkbyes replace "pick" with "reword" and it will let you change the commit message22:14
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iwonkaokay, shorter message they say22:15
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iwonkais something like ''install saharaclient if sahara-dashboard is not enabled" ok?22:16
clarkbiwonka: the general rule is 50 characters for the title line. then 72 to subsequent paragraphs22:16
clarkbiwonka: I would say "install saharaclient from pypi if not from source"22:17
iwonkaok22:17
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iwonkaI saved and closed and it opened another editor22:18
clarkbwhat does this one say? is it complaining about merge conflicts?22:18
iwonkano22:19
iwonkaChanged devstack/plugin.sh to install saharaclient with pip if sahara-dashboard is not enabled.22:19
iwonkaand then Change-Id22:19
iwonkaand Signed-Off-by22:19
clarkbah ok I think you might have edited on the rebase interactive menu which doesn't take effect. Just make the changes you want to see reflected here22:19
clarkbthen save and quit22:19
iwonkadone22:21
clarkbdoes it complain about merge conflicts at this point? if not then you can run `git review` and it should update your change22:22
clarkb*update your change in gerrit22:22
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iwonkait complained when runnning git review22:24
mordredEmilienM: I'm excited to learn more about "Future of UX in OpenStack"22:24
iwonkaErrors running git rebase -p -i remotes/gerrit/master22:25
iwonkaCannot rebase: You have unstaged changes.22:25
iwonkaPlease commit or stash them.22:25
iwonkaIt is likely that your change has a merge conflict. You may resolve it in the working tree now as described above and then run 'git review' again, or if you do not want to resolve it yet (note that the change can not merge until the conflict is resolved) you may run 'git rebase --abort' then 'git review -R' to upload the change without rebasing.22:25
iwonkathis is the error22:25
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clarkbiwonka: what does "git status" say also use http://paste.openstack.org for large text pastes (easier for people using irc)22:26
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EmilienMmordred: me too :-)22:27
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iwonkait says one file was modified22:29
iwonkaI didn't add it22:29
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clarkbiwonka: if you run `git diff` it will show you what the modifications are. If you want those modification then you can git add them. If they are unrelated you can `git stash save` which will temporarily save them then y ou can `git stash pop` after to restore the modifications22:30
iwonkaI added the changes (it was changing pip_install to pip_install_gr22:31
iwonka)22:31
iwonkaand now git review22:31
iwonka?22:31
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clarkbiwonka: no first git commit --amend (this will update the previous commit shown by git log -1) to include your changes that you just added22:31
clarkbthen git review22:32
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iwonkaupdated changes22:33
iwonkathank you so much22:33
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mrhillsmancan someone point me to a doc that explains or explain for me this statement, 'push for making "bin-packing" more central requirement'22:54
mrhillsmani am not sure what i found regarding bin packing is right22:55
mrhillsmanespecially in the context of openstack22:55
clarkbwhat is the context of the statement?22:56
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mrhillsmanentire statement is - push for making 'bin packing' more central requirement and use it to drive resolving unresolved monitoring challenges/convergence22:57
mrhillsmancontext is related to addressing user pain points/unanswered requirements22:58
mrhillsmani may have to prod a ML to find out who wrote it and get them to explain if it still is not clear22:58
clarkbin the context of openstack maybe scheduler related in order to get desired density out of hypervisors or storage? but I don't know how that is related to monitoring23:00
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mrhillsmanyeah, i think i may have to try to get the person who wrote it for clarity23:01
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mrhillsmanthx clarkb23:03
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