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| d0ugal | I might be making this up, but is there an oslo project for creating instances of the python-*client's? | 10:05 |
| d0ugal | it seems to be something that is duplicated in many places and I think I read something about a oslo project tot remove that duplication | 10:05 |
| d0ugal | My google-fu is failing me | 10:05 |
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| therve | d0ugal, That's somewhat what shade was at one point before reimplementing everything :) | 10:06 |
| d0ugal | hah | 10:06 |
| therve | It's definitely something that both heat and mistral would use | 10:08 |
| therve | d0ugal, Oh python-openstacksdk though | 10:09 |
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| d0ugal | therve: does that use the clients or do its own thing? | 10:11 |
| d0ugal | I think it just implements them all again too | 10:12 |
| d0ugal | lol | 10:12 |
| therve | Yeah :/ | 10:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/governance master: Propose Nova Platform Working Group https://review.openstack.org/442387 | 12:12 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy, ttx: I wonder if naming that proposal "Nova *" doesn't exacerbate the concerns voiced by ttx in his comments on the review, especially if there is no other working group that is working on other forms of compute? | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, maybe | 12:22 |
| cdent | Is the issue here really "figure out how nova (in concert with other projects) can get more done"? | 12:22 |
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| cdent | If so, say so | 12:22 |
| cdent | s/more/more of the right things/ | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the Nova based constellation of project, in some sense | 12:23 |
| cdent | Another way to think about this (as a mental exercise, not as an actual thing to do?) would be ask: How can we get Nova out of the critical path for people making advancements in compute? | 12:23 |
| * cdent isn't sure | 12:24 | |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/governance master: Propose VM and Bare-metal Platform Working Group https://review.openstack.org/442387 | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: slight tweak ^ | 12:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: for me its about providing users with a good user experience for getting VMs and baremetal, including the storage and networking, in a good way that can be consumed both directly by humans and by higher level services | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: attempting to express that in the doc now | 12:32 |
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| cdent | The navie obvious question in response to that "for me..." is why include baremetal or why exclude containers. | 12:34 |
| cdent | s/navie/naive/ | 12:34 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/governance master: Propose VM and Bare-metal Platform Working Group https://review.openstack.org/442387 | 12:34 |
| cdent | I know you've thought about that already, I'm just predicting people's reactions. | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I see bare metal and VMs as where you run higher level services, such as containers | 12:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now not everyone thinks that way, there are pros and cons to that approach | 12:35 |
| cdent | in joe's public cloud, when I provision a VM, it is running on some baremetal, but I didn't provisiont that. Could think of that the same way when I provision a container? | 12:36 |
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| sdague | cdent: you could, but I think it just devolves pretty quickly after that point. The solutions to a ton of these problems are quite different in that context. | 12:40 |
| cdent | sdague: I know. I'm not disputing the approach john's taking, merely trying to predict some of the responses so that the documentat can address those from the outset. | 12:41 |
| sdague | and it would be nice to make progress on those in a more limitted context, especially if we are starting to swim in the direction of kubernetes as symbiotic adjacent technology | 12:41 |
| ttx | cdent: "container" is a bit overloaded in that statement | 12:41 |
| cdent | ttx, yes definitely | 12:42 |
| ttx | I think it's totally fine to use container (as a packaging format) in this VM/baremetal stack | 12:42 |
| sdague | cdent: yeh, fair, I just think we sometimes spend too much time hedging against criticisms instead of painting "if we did this, and we got these results, this would be really good, and tons of people would like it" | 12:42 |
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| ttx | But if you want to deploy a set of containers/pods you probably want a full COE | 12:42 |
| ttx | which may or may not run on top of VM/baremetal :) | 12:43 |
| sdague | ttx: well, it runs on top of someone's VM/baremetal | 12:43 |
| ttx | sdague: right, but necessarily this VM/baremetal stack | 12:43 |
| sdague | whether or not you provisioned it yourself, it was provisioned with openstack for you, or something else is the only question | 12:44 |
| ttx | although I would really prefer if K8s-on-Cinder-Neutron-and-Keyston would provision minions using Ironic, but that's just me | 12:44 |
| cdent | sdague: true (about spending too much time), but recent email threads have made it pretty clear that a fair number of people continue to feel disenfranchised in various ways, and addressing that or at least keeping it in mind is ... friendly | 12:44 |
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| sdague | ttx: so duplicate the compute API into Ironic? Or would bare metal just have a completely different API than vms? | 12:55 |
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| mugsie | cdent: ++ | 12:56 |
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| ttx | sdague: no, I meant that the K8s kublet self-provisioning engine could all in the Ironic admin API | 12:57 |
| ttx | call* | 12:57 |
| sdague | ttx: so no multi tenancy? | 12:58 |
| ttx | sdague: multitenancy would be handled at K8s level (single cluster, multiple tenants) | 12:58 |
| ttx | sdague: there are a few wrappers around kubernetes that are working on providing that | 12:59 |
| sdague | ttx: got it | 13:00 |
| ttx | (on top of keystone, cinder and Neutron) | 13:00 |
| sdague | are they ensuring that different tenants don't run on the same physical host? | 13:00 |
| ttx | sdague: missing details, but I assume they would | 13:00 |
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| sdague | given that the security isolation of containers is pretty porous | 13:00 |
| ttx | otherwise it would be a bit of a joke :) | 13:00 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, it does seem you could go that route, or just orchestrate with the existing nova api and provision more capacity on demand | 13:01 |
| sdague | especially if you end up with content you don' | 13:01 |
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| sdague | t want in a container (for various reasons) | 13:01 |
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| ttx | sdague: yes, that doesn't make the Magnum approach wrong or redundant, either. Just two ways to slicing the stack | 13:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: the K8s having multi-tenant wrappers was news to me too, no idea what they do either | 13:14 |
| jroll | sdague: ttx: fwiw, we've begun talking a bit in ironic land about being more multi-tenant, e.g. quotas, tenants owning nodes, things like that | 13:14 |
| mugsie | afaik it currently very basic | 13:14 |
| mugsie | it is * | 13:15 |
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| mugsie | but it all depends on the auth layer put in front as well | 13:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think all of these options are cool, and interesting, its just I would like a group to focus on the packaging up all infrastrcture, and running services (like a full COE) on top of that infrastructure | 13:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't rule out those other options, its just that group gets to ignore them in *its* priority setting, in some sense | 13:16 |
| sdague | jroll: yeh, I'm a bit aware. I just worry that you pretty much end up having to reimplement large parts of nova to get all that, at which point you are just maintaining multiple versions of that | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: it sounds a bit that way to me too | 13:17 |
| jroll | sdague: yep, we're intentionally taking it slow to try not to do that | 13:18 |
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| jroll | or try to do less of that, at least | 13:19 |
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| dims | johnthetubaguy : sdague : the multi-tenant thing is here - https://github.com/hyperhq/hypernetes - not in the main kubernetes repo | 13:34 |
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| sdague | dims: ah, ok, so they are launching in "hypercontainers". So they are sharing physical hosts, and assume this model protects them. Interesting. | 13:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: the HPC folks I heard from on Friday kinda said regular server virt using Nova (once tuned) costs around 1%, but it seems well worth it for the gains you get in most cases, which was interesting | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | that wasn't what I expected to hear | 13:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: "Hyper.sh applies hardware-enforced isolation to containers, combining the security of virtual machines with the performance and immutability of containers." not sure what that means though | 13:49 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, I've been hearing that for a while | 13:49 |
| sdague | even 4 years ago the general overhead was down to about 3%, kvm has been massively instruction path optimized | 13:49 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, I'm not sure either, I've been hunting through source trees to figure out what that means, but I'll stop git grepping now :) | 13:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: this might be the missing bit: https://blog.hyper.sh/runv-bring-isolation-to-docker.html | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems a bit like the micro xen thing, to some extent | 13:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | actually, maybe not | 13:53 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right, the thing I don't get about that, is the slow to boot thing is IO read of the disk image, but IO isolation is often important. And the bind mount bypasses that under the assumption that the host kernel can't be compromised there. | 13:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it seems hypernetes and magnum compete, and in a way runV and nova kinda compete | 13:58 |
| sdague | yeh, mostly it's just academic at this point. Having spent time with xen years ago, and seeing the current set of qemu exploits that have been out there, I am skeptical of "we rubbed some world switch bits in here, so it's secure" :) | 13:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | funny, a CVE just dropped into the announce list just before I went for lunch | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | now running QEMU in a container to limit Xen exploits a little, thats what XenServer does (although they call it tweaking cgroups I think) | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: melwitt: seeing bug patterns emerge around this kind of thing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1672624 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672624 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Ceph volumes attached to local deleted instance could not be correctly handled" [Undecided,New] | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | dtroyer: we're talking about creating a placement service OSC plugin in nova, is that the right direction to go? i remember a session in austin about osc plugins and i thought the osc team wanted projects owning their own plugins in their own trees so the osc team didn't need to manage them. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: nvm, i'm told we should just have it live in it's own repo, like openstack/placement-osc-plugin or something | 14:46 |
| dtroyer | mriedem: my gut reaction is that is the right approach here, even if it lives in novaclient for a time. This is an admin -only API, correct? | 14:46 |
| dtroyer | I think that's best. | 14:46 |
| mriedem | yes it's admin-only | 14:46 |
| dtroyer | also, this would be a great time to not just copy the way the Client object is built from novaclient. :) | 14:46 |
| mriedem | i believe we'd just be using ksa | 14:47 |
| mriedem | like we do inside of nova today to talk to the placement api | 14:47 |
| dtroyer | if you keep the manager/resource paradigm though the Client is what holds the Manager objects. | 14:48 |
| sdague | dtroyer: so why not contribute it directly inline to osc? | 14:48 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: we won't have that | 14:48 |
| dtroyer | mriedem: ok | 14:48 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: this is just ksa to make the request, get the json blob and use that to print a table output or whatever for CLI | 14:48 |
| dtroyer | sdague: a) it's a new API, b) its admin-only, c) we stopped adding new APIs to OSC a long time ago (Neutron was last) | 14:49 |
| sdague | dtroyer: yeh, we went strip down here | 14:49 |
| dtroyer | coolness, thanks | 14:49 |
| mriedem | dtroyer: that confirms what i remember from the session on osc in austin | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | dtroyer: are you aware of any existing repos that are solely just an osc plugin? | 14:52 |
| mriedem | or are the osc plugins all wrapped up in their related projects? | 14:52 |
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| dtroyer | they are usually connected to their Python API libs, there is at least one that is not and I can't recall which one it is offhand | 14:53 |
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| dtroyer | I have a few unofficial plugin-only repos, it works finr | 14:53 |
| dtroyer | fine | 14:53 |
| mriedem | i was just looking for examples | 14:54 |
| jroll | mriedem: the one in python-ironicclient should be a fine example for that, just know there's extra cruft to provide ironic CLI and a python SDK | 14:55 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:55 |
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| jroll | start here https://github.com/openstack/python-ironicclient/blob/master/setup.cfg#L24 | 14:55 |
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| dtroyer | mriedem: the original plugin template I made is at https://github.com/dtroyer/osc-plugin and should still be good | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | ok thanks. I'll start a nova blueprint to at least track this, maybe we can get some osic people to work on it. | 15:00 |
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| mriedem | jroll: i'll probably start with dtroyer's reference so people don't get confused with how the ironic osc plugin is using ironicclient | 15:01 |
| mriedem | since we won't have that for the placement osc plugin | 15:01 |
| jroll | mriedem: makes sense :) | 15:02 |
| mriedem | nothing personal of course :) | 15:02 |
| cdent | mriedem: for sake of history: dtroyer's example is where I started when exploring this topic way too early | 15:02 |
| dtroyer | and just for fun, here's the plugin I made for debugging stuff, includes actual command classes: https://github.com/dtroyer/osc-debug | 15:03 |
| cdent | guys guys guys I heard that mriedem hates ironic and wants to kill it | 15:04 |
| mriedem | cdent: so the examples helped or you got into the weeds? | 15:04 |
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| jroll | cdent: yay, less work for me! | 15:04 |
| cdent | mriedem: there just wasn't any point continuing on the work: this was about a year ago | 15:04 |
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| cdent | (mriedem: that's what I mean by "too early". the examples were useful, although I'd admit that it took me a while to grasp the abstractions. I think I ended up in a bit of a "meh, I'll use curl or gabbi" state) | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | dansmith: may I ask for a favour? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438412/ that's basically a no-brainer but blocks some significant work on neutron side. | 15:12 |
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| dansmith | ihrachys: yep, got it | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | thanks a bunch | 15:13 |
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| dtantsur | jeblair, hi! does gertty have a python API to its database or is the database structure documented anywhere? | 16:01 |
| jeblair | dtantsur: gertty.db exists, but is not meant for external consumption, so it's not documented or guaranteed to be stable. | 16:02 |
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| dtantsur | I see. I just needed to do some local analysis of data from gerrit, and realized that I already have a database of reviews right in my home directory :) | 16:04 |
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| jeblair | dtantsur: it should be pretty usable by a one-off script. | 16:34 |
| dtantsur | yeah | 16:35 |
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| jeblair | dtantsur: here's something i had laying around: http://paste.openstack.org/show/602719/ | 16:36 |
| dtantsur | jeblair, great, that's what I needed. thanks | 16:37 |
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| dims | SpamapS : ping | 17:15 |
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| SpamapS | dims: pong, wassup? | 17:17 |
| SpamapS | dims: (currently juggling another conversation, so expect latency) | 17:17 |
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| dims | SpamapS : were you going to propose some new base service(s)? | 17:19 |
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| SpamapS | dims: ttx has been driving that, and has sort-of proposed DLM(a tooz fronted DLM, specifically), and sort of Barbican (though that may be more of "a castellan fronted key manager") | 17:23 |
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| dims | ack thanks SpamapS | 17:23 |
| SpamapS | dims: I think at this point we're just taking projects' temperature, but I'd expect ttx to propose some governance doc changes based on what we learned in ATL | 17:24 |
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| dims | sounds good SpamapS | 17:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: Move DIB from TripleO to Infra https://review.openstack.org/445617 | 18:48 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: indeed | 19:39 |
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| mmedvede | I've noticed that when devstack manages services with _run_process old log file contents are lost. E.g. if start_nova_compute() is used, previous n-cpu.log is lost. Does anyone know if this is intentional? | 20:15 |
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| mmedvede | I am trying to debug a problem in ironic, and I might be missing some data because ironic devstack plugin restarts nova service | 20:16 |
| cdent | mmedvede: it's a symlink isn't it? pointing to a new file? | 20:16 |
| clarkb | ya the old file should have a timestamp on it iirc | 20:16 |
| mmedvede | cdent: if it is so, the old file is not uploaded by the job. If it is the same file, the contents are lost | 20:17 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: yes we only upload the "current" file by default iirc | 20:17 |
| clarkb | this is because ltos of CI reuse their test hosts | 20:17 |
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| cdent | mmedvede: sorry, didn't realized you were talking about in CI | 20:18 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: still, I have a slight suspicion that log timestamp is not changed when ironic restarts nova | 20:18 |
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| mmedvede | in any case, any reason we can not use >>&"logfile" redirect? it would prevent overwriting an old log | 20:20 |
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| clarkb | mmedvede: yes the reuse case | 20:20 |
| mmedvede | ok, missed that | 20:20 |
| clarkb | you don't wantto upload the lsat 100 tests' logs on every job | 20:20 |
| clarkb | clayg was going to look into setting up a journald logger | 20:21 |
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| clarkb | whcih would make it easy to do something like give me all the nova logs since $timestamp (eg job start) | 20:21 |
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| clarkb | clayg: ^ is that far enough along that we could potentially poke at it? | 20:22 |
| clayg | clarkb: lol, no | 20:22 |
| clayg | I am interested in moving swift's devstack setup away from the current mixture of interactive screen's and background jobs - you suggested user systemd scripts would be an attractive way to tackle that | 20:23 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: so, looking at stack.sh, it appears that CURRENT_LOG_TIME is set per stack.sh run. Would that then make sense to append to log instead of overwriting logs while using _run_process() ? | 20:24 |
| clayg | the small amount of time I've been able to spend on swift's devstack integration has been focused on mod_wsgi and ssl - not how it's started | 20:24 |
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| clarkb | mmedvede: ya that could possibly work | 20:25 |
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| mmedvede | clarkb: ok, I'll propose a patch, and we can discuss there | 20:30 |
| mmedvede | https://review.openstack.org/445647 | 20:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance master: Move DIB from TripleO to Infra https://review.openstack.org/445617 | 20:57 |
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| sdague | cdent: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ - what's the process to move that in? | 21:01 |
| sdague | because I feel like it's probably as good as any first reissue of these guidelines is ever going to be | 21:01 |
| cdent | dtroyer: so gophercloud? I don't really have skin in this game but I'm curious | 21:01 |
| sdague | and living with nothing being formally backed by the api-wg seems odd | 21:02 |
| cdent | sdague: several people have said they are going to provide more input who haven't yet, and I was hoping to get that before finalizing | 21:02 |
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| cdent | and nobody (besides me as far as I know) has commented on the big conversation that notmyname, mugsie and rocky had (and is linked there) | 21:03 |
| mugsie | cdent: and I owe you a write up of my thoughts | 21:03 |
| dtroyer | cdent: when golang-client was created there were at least 4 other OpenStack golang client things around, none of which did auth correctly. gophercloud was still very rax-specific, and recently (a year or more?) that has changed | 21:04 |
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| mugsie | dtroyer: yeah - but things have changed - why the need to re implement it? | 21:04 |
| dtroyer | I am not saying that. | 21:04 |
| mugsie | like, gopher cloud is weird, and has its quirks | 21:04 |
| cdent | mugsie: thank you, I'd like to see that when you get a chance. I'm reluctant to verify something which thus far has been verified mostly by the aleady converted | 21:04 |
| dtroyer | I'm not exactly sure who is | 21:04 |
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| mugsie | but it does work | 21:05 |
| dtroyer | but I'm also not going to abandon that because it does serve a need or two | 21:05 |
| mugsie | OK - I had assumed it was abandoned | 21:05 |
| edleafe | cdent: is the main concern from notmyname the whole beating people with sticks thing? | 21:05 |
| mugsie | if it is not - thats great | 21:05 |
| * notmyname was just reviewing that conversation | 21:05 | |
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| cdent | edleafe: there are a mix of concerns | 21:06 |
| dtroyer | besides a test ground for the CTI, I also want a place to do the ksa-style bits on golang | 21:06 |
| dtroyer | the kinds of stuff that has similar semantics to what we're doing in python | 21:06 |
| dtroyer | that's my reason for not wanting to just capitualte to gophercloud | 21:06 |
| notmyname | cdent: edleafe: no, my concern is giant test matrixes for versions of services, plugins, extentions, backends, api features, and deployments | 21:06 |
| cdent | edleafe: my main issue is that a lot of comments have been made lots of places other than the review which have not been reflected on the review and that means that the review is incomplete | 21:07 |
| edleafe | cdent: agreed | 21:07 |
| edleafe | cdent: but at some point it's gotta be SOGOTP | 21:08 |
| cdent | edleafe: yes, of course, | 21:08 |
| sdague | cdent: it is, but, I also kind of feel like it's not like the process of that review has been opaque, folks knew about it. At some point we move forward. | 21:08 |
| edleafe | notmyname: what giant test matrixes do you have in mind | 21:08 |
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| cdent | sdague: a) sure, but b) what's the rush, really? | 21:09 |
| edleafe | notmyname: with different features all at the same version, won't the API responses be the same? | 21:10 |
| sdague | cdent: because the api-wg declared that the previous rules aren't their guidance any more | 21:10 |
| sdague | and now we're in void | 21:10 |
| mugsie | sdague: its a pretty big change | 21:10 |
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| mugsie | that I would reckon a lot of people don't a) know about, or b) understand the impact | 21:11 |
| sdague | I don't understand why commit, and revisit if needed is a bigger issue than keep it open and keep everyone having to have a 10% attention on the stream in case it changes from what they agreed to | 21:11 |
| notmyname | edleafe: TBH, I haven't context shifted into thinking about this change, so i'm not ready to discuss it at length right now. we should keep this in gerrit so it can be async | 21:11 |
| edleafe | notmyname: cool. I strongly prefer it in Gerrit too | 21:12 |
| sdague | yeh, definitely all the comments should be in gerrit | 21:12 |
| cdent | sdague: it's simply and bluntly this: on monday morning (before the afternoon where you participated) there were many opinions presented which are not even remotely reflected on the review. Important opinions that I as the organizer of the refactoring don't want to leave out of the permanent record so I've been trying to make sure that everyone has a chance. | 21:12 |
| cdent | I agree that we're timing out on that. I've been very "generous". | 21:13 |
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| sdague | cdent: ok, can we set a deadline on that? | 21:13 |
| cdent | But when I witness the degree of emotion and investment that people had that day (and others) I'm not willing to blithely dismiss it simply because I'm already willing to agree with what is currently in the document. | 21:14 |
| sdague | cdent: sure, and that comes back to my openning question: what's the process to move that in? | 21:14 |
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| cdent | My intent was to set a deadline of "very soon" given that it was going to be discussed in today's "opens" on the tc agenda, but we ran out of time, so I'm not sure what's next, I'll have to think about it. | 21:15 |
| sdague | which seems to be: a) declare when the end of the comment period will be, so people know this isn't going to hold out forever. | 21:15 |
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| ttx | sdague: should we close it in a Forum session in Boston ? Or would that be too late ? | 21:17 |
| sdague | ttx: honestly, that's much further out than I would have stated | 21:17 |
| cdent | I think it ought to be possible to do it much sooner than that | 21:17 |
| ttx | yeah | 21:17 |
| cdent | edleafe is right about at some point people need to get on with it if they have something to say | 21:18 |
| sdague | cdent: for me there is the logistical reason, if we said comment period is over in 7 days, I could commit over the next week to check every other day to respond to things. | 21:18 |
| sdague | if it's any longer than that, I will probably only check weekly or less. | 21:19 |
| sdague | which is going to slow down any conversations, for good or bad | 21:19 |
| dims | notmyname : did you want to talk about golang-commons? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | dims: I think I got the answer I was looking for. the tc as a whole expects to the the step one of the flavio resolution before your work is done | 21:20 |
| cdent | sdague: I don't think you need to worry about it going astray if you're not able to give it constant attention. In fact I would even hope that it woud be okay for it to go astray (if it did) as that astray-ness would represent the common wisdom. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | dims: the only question was if we were supposed to wait until after your stuff and dean's stuff is done before doing our proposal, and the answer i heard was "don't wait" | 21:20 |
| sdague | cdent: ok, I guess it's unclear to me what the inertia of various points is. And also how much time I should be spending on collatoral like some of the microversion architecture and usage docs, in case things are going to get odd there. Because that seemed to at least by one of the contention points. | 21:21 |
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| sdague | anyway, I need to go push around a bunch of snow, so have a good evening folks | 21:22 |
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| cdent | sdague: I'll send some email about it tomorrow and give it a seven day deadline and try to get some of the outliers to participate | 21:22 |
| edleafe | cdent: we know some of the main voices in the room that morning. Perhaps a post to the dev ML specifically asking them for input by a particular deadline might at least help us feel like we tried to listen to everyone? | 21:22 |
| dims | notmyname : ack on that. do you still think we can get some grass roots efforts like this going right away? we have the repo, looking for people who can help | 21:22 |
| edleafe | cdent: jonx | 21:23 |
| edleafe | jinx, even | 21:23 |
| notmyname | dims: I'm actually just sitting down right now to write up some stuff for the broader swift team about what's happening related to the specific problems we have and how golang is part of the solution | 21:23 |
| cdent | sdague: history and meaning of the microversion architecture remains meaningful, regardless of the stability guidelines | 21:23 |
| dims | cool thanks notmyname | 21:23 |
| notmyname | dims: so that's a roundabout way to say that yes we're interested and want to be involved, but I don't care about golang as much as solving the problems, and golang is one part of the overall solution | 21:24 |
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| dims | ack notmyname | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | dims: and I'm definitely paying attention to the work you've started. excited to see what's there :-) | 21:29 |
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| dims | thanks notmyname. hope some of those efforts stick. | 21:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/governance master: Add Golang CTI https://review.openstack.org/410355 | 21:44 |
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| ayiris | Hi .. I am new to openstack. I am currently trying to follow this link https://developer.openstack.org/firstapp-libcloud/getting_started.html. But I get the following exception when I run the script given in this page. | 23:21 |
| ayiris | libcloud.common.exceptions.BaseHTTPError: 400 Bad Request Instance network is not ready yet. Can someone please help me with this? | 23:21 |
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| clarkb | ayiris: I think you may have a tenant with no networks | 23:22 |
| clarkb | ayiris: you may need to configure a networking, subnet, router, and all that depending on how your target cloud is set up | 23:23 |
| clarkb | ayiris: https://developer.openstack.org/firstapp-libcloud/appendix.html has a little more details | 23:23 |
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