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openstackgerrit | Rico Lin proposed openstack/governance master: Update email for heat ptl https://review.openstack.org/434570 | 01:09 |
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dhellmann | notmyname : I've been trying to arrange for folks to be in the room at different times. I have some other rooms I need to be in both days, so I won't be there 100% of the time. If you add your name and a few times to the etherpad, I will try to be there for at least one of them so we can talk details | 03:22 |
dhellmann | notmyname : see the "availability at ptg" section at the top | 03:22 |
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notmyname | dhellmann: I'm asking more in general for the team, in addition to myself | 03:49 |
notmyname | dhellmann: so it sounds like it's a "designated meeting point" without a particular schedule itself. just a place to talk if two people decide to talk about that | 03:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add standard deprecation assertion tag for Barbican https://review.openstack.org/420816 | 11:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update email for heat ptl https://review.openstack.org/434570 | 11:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Dave McCowan proposed openstack/governance master: Add stable branch assertion tag for Barbican https://review.openstack.org/421283 | 12:20 |
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dhellmann | notmyname : that's how we're going to end up using it because of schedule conflicts, yes | 12:36 |
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cdent | mordred: good luck fighting that fight | 12:44 |
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mordred | cdent: this is what happens when I read a mailing list before first coffee is done | 12:45 |
cdent | mordred: I hate to deny you your coffee, but maybe that should happen more often? | 12:45 |
cdent | not that I always agree with you, but it is so refreshing to see some strong opinions | 12:46 |
sdague | wait, there is a new mordred fight? | 12:46 |
* sdague must have missed that email | 12:46 | |
mordred | sdague: see the tripleo mascot thread | 12:46 |
mordred | sdague: because I imagine you would not otherwise read it | 12:47 |
sdague | oh, yeh | 12:47 |
mordred | cdent: I may not always be right, but I can usually be counted on to have a point of view and express it with gusto :) | 12:47 |
sdague | heh | 12:48 |
cdent | me gusta gusto | 12:48 |
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jordanP | mordred, shade attach_volume method is a pain...: if I pass it wait=True, the methods returns a volume object but if I pass it wait=False is return a volume_attachment object | 13:34 |
jordanP | mordred, worth : vol = cloud.create_volume(); cloud.attach_volume(server, vol, wait=True); cloud.detach_volume(server, vol) raises a big "Volume %s is not attached to server %s" exception | 13:36 |
jordanP | *worse | 13:36 |
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jordanP | 30min to figure out that the correct calls to make is | 13:36 |
mordred | jordanP: LOVELY | 13:36 |
jordanP | vol = cloud.create_volume(); vol = cloud.attach_volume(server, vol, wait=True); cloud.detach_volume(server, vol) | 13:36 |
jordanP | I am unsure about the correct fix though | 13:37 |
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mordred | jordanP: shouldn't it always return a volume_attachment? returning the volume for wait seems like a mistake? | 13:38 |
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jordanP | yeah, it should always return a volume attachment | 13:39 |
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mordred | which means detach_volume should accept a volume _or_ a volume_attachment I think | 13:39 |
jordanP | but then I don"t know how to do my calls: attach_volume() followed by detach_volume() won't work. I would have to insert a volume = get_volume(volume), to "refresh" the volume attachments | 13:39 |
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mordred | (since it's reasonable to want to say "please detach this volume from this server" and also "please detach the volume referenced by this volume_attachment" | 13:40 |
jordanP | I also think that this block: | 13:41 |
jordanP | dev = self.get_volume_attach_device(volume, server['id']) | 13:41 |
jordanP | if not dev: | 13:41 |
jordanP | raise OpenStackCloudException( | 13:41 |
jordanP | "Volume %s is not attached to server %s" | 13:41 |
jordanP | % (volume['id'], server['id']) | 13:41 |
jordanP | ) | 13:41 |
jordanP | is trying to be too clever | 13:41 |
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jordanP | basically it means I would always have to pass to detach_volume not the original volume (the one returned by the create call) but whatever is returned by the attach_volume method | 13:42 |
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mordred | jordanP: yup. I totally agree. let's remove that bit, and then do a little bit of introspection to see if we got an attachment or a volume - and just make the detach call | 13:44 |
jordanP | ok, I'll do that then | 13:44 |
mordred | cool. thanks! | 13:45 |
mordred | jordanP: btw - there is also an #openstack-shade channel if you ever have need for it - although I obviously lurk in just about all of the channels :) | 13:45 |
jordanP | yeah, good point | 13:46 |
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cdent | EmilienM: I hope you have a big g&t budget | 13:59 |
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EmilienM | cdent: I don't, but as a PTL, I expect generosity from my team :-P | 14:00 |
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cdent | EmilienM: I think maybe we should buy some really nice gin and some tonic and set up shop in the one of the rooms. And that'll be it for the whole week: lots of nice talking in that room, but you can only speak if you've got a g&t. | 14:02 |
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EmilienM | cdent++ | 14:04 |
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mordred | EmilienM, cdent: +100 - I will join to that room | 14:06 |
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EmilienM | mordred: that room is called an Alcool store | 14:06 |
EmilienM | I'll stay around it | 14:06 |
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mordred | \o/ | 14:07 |
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cdent | EmilienM, mordred : http://o4d.com/ | 14:14 |
EmilienM | "ARE YOU AT LEAST 21 YEARS OLD?" | 14:14 |
EmilienM | well, in spirit or for real? | 14:14 |
EmilienM | because otherwise no :D | 14:15 |
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ttx | #success mikal: achievement unlocked -- being quoted in LWN security section | 15:40 |
openstackstatus | ttx: Added success to Success page | 15:40 |
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andymccr | jamespage: when you're about - do you know if/when nova-lxd is going to branch for stable/ocata? | 15:44 |
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annegentle | #success Craig Sterrett and the App Dev Enablement WG: New links to more content for the appdev on https://developer.openstack.org/ | 16:36 |
openstackstatus | annegentle: Added success to Success page | 16:36 |
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mordred | mikal: wow nice. can I hang out near you and bask? | 16:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Petr Kovar proposed openstack/governance master: Add more docs links to Telemetry https://review.openstack.org/435017 | 17:00 |
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jaypipes | dtroyer: once again, I find myself clapping while reading your email (the response on Making the Kitchen Great Again thread) | 17:47 |
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jaypipes | also, mordred, I never want to picture you with your "old man's pants on" again. | 17:50 |
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cdent | jaypipes: mordred might need your shirt | 17:52 |
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jaypipes | cdent: :) | 17:52 |
mordred | jaypipes: :) | 17:52 |
jaypipes | cdent: I have since showered and put on a more reasonable and comfortable black t-shirt. | 17:52 |
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cdent | and we all feel much better for it | 17:53 |
cdent | I could see it from here | 17:53 |
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jaypipes | cdent: indeed. I no longer look like an orange highway barrel. | 17:53 |
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jaypipes | edleafe, mordred: can I have a place at the old-folks' home too? | 18:14 |
jaypipes | sounds cozy. | 18:14 |
mtreinish | jaypipes: don't you already live in one? | 18:16 |
mordred | jaypipes: dude. I'm not sure we know how to get you to leave :) | 18:16 |
jaypipes | mtreinish: as soon as I wrote the above, I *knew* I was walking into that one :) | 18:16 |
mtreinish | haha | 18:16 |
* jaypipes waves from God's waiting room. | 18:17 | |
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dtroyer | jaypipes: the sad thing it I'm about to write my own version of the origination of that thread with my own not-shiny-sexy project that is losing core deveopers | 18:22 |
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jaypipes | dtroyer: which one? osc? | 18:24 |
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dtroyer | yup | 18:24 |
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jaypipes | dtroyer: is it dying, or is it mature and doesn't necessarily need a big contributor team? | 18:27 |
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dtroyer | it isn't dying, but it isn't getting the kind of contributors we need to sustain it, in that most are working on specific projects, then move on when that is done. | 18:28 |
dtroyer | the cores we've lost recently are due to management direction, not lack of personal interest | 18:29 |
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edleafe | jaypipes: you and mordred have a ways to go to catch up to me :) | 18:30 |
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dtroyer | watch out Ed, I'm closer to you than they are… :) | 18:30 |
jaypipes | edleafe: :) | 18:31 |
jaypipes | dtroyer: I see... | 18:31 |
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dtroyer | jaypipes: having a platinum foundation member CEO tell me that "clients are not important" was very telling, and explained a lot a couple of years ago | 18:32 |
dtroyer | OSc is at the point that I need to get noisy about the siruation before it gets into bad shape (it isn't there, yet) | 18:32 |
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cdent | harlowja: opinionated fingernails++ | 18:33 |
harlowja | cdent lol, ya, i mean jeez folks | 18:33 |
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harlowja | cdent of course the opinions we decide on should be mine, obviously | 18:34 |
harlowja | lol | 18:34 |
cdent | I've long been of the opinion that if basement-hacker can't play with it easily, then of course the vast majority of engagement will be corporate and easy to lose | 18:35 |
cdent | but unfortunately things are hard to change | 18:35 |
mordred | dtroyer: I will reply to your email either with support, or with an amusing anecdote, or with a rage filled diatribe. It's likely I will not know which one I'm writing | 18:35 |
harlowja | mordred u aren't that old yet... | 18:36 |
harlowja | i don't think u qualify for the old people discount yet | 18:36 |
mordred | harlowja: remind me who you are again? | 18:36 |
harlowja | the guy who u leave your savings to | 18:36 |
harlowja | in your will | 18:36 |
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mordred | oh neat! | 18:36 |
harlowja | and your house | 18:37 |
harlowja | don't forget the house | 18:37 |
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mordred | harlowja: how about this pile of moldy rags and rotting meat? should I leave them in the house or have them moved? | 18:37 |
mordred | or maybe those are the things I'm leaving you and the house goes somewhere else | 18:38 |
mordred | it's easy to get confused | 18:38 |
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mordred | jaypipes: wait ... are we actually using #openstack-dev for random chatting? | 18:38 |
harlowja | mordred u can leave the, it's ok, i can clean them up | 18:40 |
harlowja | just all the random crap u have hoarded, if u could get that out of the way, that'd be nice | 18:40 |
mordred | harlowja: dood. only thing I hoard are moldy rags and rotting meat | 18:41 |
harlowja | lol | 18:42 |
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harlowja | u must be related to like a squirrel or something | 18:42 |
harlowja | except not hoarding nuts | 18:42 |
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harlowja | maybe u are a meat squirrel | 18:47 |
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jaypipes | mordred: pretty much, yeah :) | 18:57 |
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sdague | mordred: because I think you were one of the people that brought up and complained about this previously - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010 | 19:32 |
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mordred | sdague: complaining sounds like a thing I'd do | 19:32 |
sdague | actually checking that project_id is a thing on quota calls | 19:32 |
mordred | sdague: ZOMG | 19:32 |
mordred | clarkb: ^^^ | 19:32 |
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mordred | sdague: THANK YOU | 19:33 |
mordred | sdague: I spent an entire day at one point trying to figure out how quotas worked - the problem was that they took project id not project name | 19:33 |
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sdague | mordred: yeh, it's not a 100% solution, because the cloud op might not have given enough permissions for the admin on the nova side to make that call, but when it can check, it will | 19:34 |
sdague | fail open at this point | 19:34 |
clarkb | mordred: and didn't it do something weird like "succeed" when you gave it name? | 19:34 |
clarkb | and you could even list quotas against the name and you'd get them back as you set them | 19:34 |
sdague | clarkb: oh, yeh, it always succeeds now | 19:35 |
clarkb | but that didn't reflect reality when nova booting | 19:35 |
sdague | because it's just litterally storing keys in a db | 19:35 |
clarkb | sdague: well specifically the issue was run quota show on name and it would say your things were correct | 19:35 |
clarkb | sdague: then you'd go nova boot and hit a quota error | 19:35 |
clarkb | most confusing thing ever | 19:35 |
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sdague | clarkb: yep, keys in a database | 19:35 |
sdague | store foo a | 19:35 |
sdague | get foo -> a | 19:35 |
sdague | doesn't mean that foo is related to anythign | 19:35 |
mordred | yup | 19:36 |
mordred | this is a big win | 19:36 |
sdague | mordred: well, you'll get it in pike | 19:37 |
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sdague | mordred/clarkb: spec addendum if you want to take a look to make sure this aligns with your desired behavior - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435016/ | 19:38 |
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mordred | sdague: love it | 19:41 |
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sdague | stevemar / mordred / lbragstad is there some existing classes to easily fake out keystoneauth1 for testing it in other projects? | 21:56 |
sdague | my use case is writing some sensible unit tests on the nova side for that project_id validate | 21:56 |
mordred | sdague: I believe there is a fixture in the ksa repo - although I don't use it and just use requests_mock ... | 21:57 |
mordred | one sec | 21:57 |
mordred | sdague: pinging morgan | 21:58 |
mordred | sdague: also, jamielennox | 21:58 |
sdague | if you have a good requests_mock pattern, that's cool too | 21:58 |
jamielennox | sup? | 21:58 |
mordred | sdague: I have a good requests_mock pattern, but I do not believe I have an easily reusable requests_mock pattern | 21:58 |
sdague | I just realized that in order to test this I need something that looks like a real context | 21:58 |
lbragstad | huh - morgan's not here? | 21:58 |
mordred | jamielennox: sdague's question from above | 21:58 |
sdague | that already had content from keystone | 21:58 |
mordred | sdague: totes | 21:59 |
sdague | jamielennox: context for this is this nova patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/ | 21:59 |
jamielennox | the fixtures in ksa create the HTTP responses | 21:59 |
jamielennox | so you can combine them with requests-mock to actually do realistic network exchanges | 21:59 |
jamielennox | but we don't have like a mockout that stubs out the whole auth process | 21:59 |
sdague | jamielennox: you got a good example of that in use? | 21:59 |
jamielennox | it's something i've considered but not had chance to explore | 22:00 |
sdague | so I can crib the pattern | 22:00 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/3/nova/identity.py I was just starting to do unit tests, and it becomes: oh, mock context.get_auth_plugin(), session, also session.get | 22:01 |
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sdague | which, you know, is what it is, but would love to have a little more of a real simulator for that | 22:01 |
mordred | morgan: tl;dr - sdague is working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/ | 22:01 |
mordred | morgan: 22:01:19 sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/3/nova/identity.py I was just starting to do unit tests, and it becomes: oh, mock context.get_auth_plugin(), session, also session.get | 22:02 |
mordred | right before you joined | 22:02 |
jamielennox | sdague: so creating some real tokens are here: https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/tests/unit/v3/client_fixtures.py#L66 | 22:02 |
sdague | it's one of those "wrote it in devstack, totally works" oh... unit tests ... god there is a lot I need to build | 22:02 |
morgan | yeah i thought we had some fixtures, maybe we want a nice canned "discovery+auth->token" fixture (requests_mock) | 22:02 |
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sdague | yeh, I guess that's really what I would love. Keystone in a box. Here is a json that describes my keystone, including users, and it patches out keystoneauth calls to go through it | 22:04 |
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morgan | because we should just provide a nice requests_mock fixture that does that the keystoneauth way. | 22:04 |
morgan | i wouldn't actually patch keystoneauth, just do some mocking so requests is handled. | 22:04 |
mordred | yup | 22:04 |
morgan | at the socket layer | 22:04 |
morgan | but we don't have a test fixture like that at the moment | 22:05 |
mordred | and honestly that would/could make it fairly easy for nova to have unittests that requests_mock out interactions with glance and cinder and neutron | 22:05 |
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mordred | nope. we need one - it would open up a nice can of usefuleness | 22:05 |
sdague | mordred: yeh | 22:05 |
morgan | it shouldn't be too terrible to build | 22:05 |
morgan | it would kill a ton of ick in shade too | 22:05 |
mordred | maybe we should find 10 minutes to talk about it next week- spec it out for someone | 22:05 |
morgan | shade tests* | 22:05 |
sdague | mordred: ++ | 22:05 |
morgan | mordred: sounds like a plan | 22:05 |
sdague | yeh, this would be kind of a fun thing to build | 22:05 |
mordred | cause seriously - requests_mock is the best thing ever | 22:05 |
sdague | yeh, it's pretty good | 22:06 |
morgan | that sounds like something ksa should supply in an optional extra or some such | 22:06 |
mordred | and even though it's killing morgan right now, its increase in value of shade' sunittests is astronomical | 22:06 |
morgan | that can be installed for test purposes | 22:06 |
morgan | mordred: i'm still about to drink myself to death | 22:06 |
mordred | morgan: ++ | 22:06 |
mordred | morgan: I know | 22:06 |
morgan | mordred: i'm going to tell Brie to blame you when that happens | 22:06 |
mordred | morgan: it's ok - the feeling never goes away - you just slowly start to not notice it | 22:06 |
sdague | I still assume you want to actually hook a little higher up into keystoneauth1 so that it understands the idea of services and the like, but maybe I don't quite get the layers | 22:06 |
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mordred | sdague: nope - you totally just mock out a catalog response | 22:07 |
morgan | sdague: i was actually thinking of giving an interface that lets you specify a catalog (Services et al) and mock out the responses + auth | 22:07 |
mordred | sdague: so the only thing that winds up being mocked are the requests calls themselves | 22:07 |
morgan | mordred: ++ | 22:07 |
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sdague | ok, because we invent a bunch of hostnames in the catalog? | 22:07 |
morgan | that way if keystoneauth does something dumb... or a request changes we see it | 22:07 |
morgan | sdague: yep, infact we use example.com for everything in shade | 22:08 |
morgan | and requests_mock just says "oh yah, that URL, here is the actual http response you'd get" | 22:08 |
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sdague | morgan: ok, well, we'd need to do host name separtion right, so that session.get('/v3/foo', ks_filter={service: identity}) knows where to go | 22:08 |
sdague | right? | 22:08 |
morgan | same as if requests did it, just w/o actually doing the socket stuff | 22:08 |
sdague | given that requests_mock will care | 22:09 |
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mordred | yup | 22:09 |
morgan | yeah we do identity.example.com for example in shade | 22:09 |
sdague | ok | 22:09 |
jamielennox | sorry trying to do a meeting at the same time | 22:09 |
morgan | though... we really should do example.com/identity </rant about suburl> | 22:09 |
mordred | morgan: we really should | 22:09 |
jamielennox | i would be up for a testing only plugin in ksa that would eliminate people needing to know the token exchange dance | 22:10 |
mordred | BUT - it turns out that doesn't matter for the mechanism | 22:10 |
jamielennox | it shouldn't be too hard, just get into it | 22:10 |
sdague | maybe, it mostly doesn't matter, and people use A records all the time for reals | 22:10 |
morgan | mordred: turns out it does, but ... not for this conversation | 22:10 |
jamielennox | can draw up some plans and discuss at PTG | 22:10 |
morgan | yeah i think the quick and dirty is: Talk at the PTG, spec it out, and code it shortly after | 22:10 |
sdague | jamielennox: ok, cool, you know what, I'll take some time tomorrow to write up some interface ideas as well | 22:11 |
sdague | and we can figure out a time to compare notes | 22:11 |
mordred | sdague: https://github.com/openstack-infra/shade/blob/master/shade/tests/unit/base.py#L263-L278 and https://github.com/openstack-infra/shade/blob/master/shade/tests/unit/test_flavors.py#L21-L44 ... except morgan just changed our interface here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434516/2 | 22:11 |
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sdague | yep, ok | 22:11 |
mordred | sdague: but if you look at the base thing you can see the ugly version of doing it - and also where morgan is taking it in that review - in case any of that is useful for context | 22:11 |
sdague | ok, time to run for the day, but this all seems like it is evolving into an interesting plan | 22:12 |
mordred | \o/ | 22:12 |
morgan | mordred: sigh... still breaking on the QS stuff. | 22:12 |
morgan | mordred: ugh | 22:12 |
mordred | morgan: yah | 22:12 |
mordred | morgan: well - if it makes you feel any better, my patches broke on nova listing servers | 22:12 |
morgan | mordred: might need to explicitly qs=false | 22:12 |
morgan | erm =true | 22:12 |
morgan | always | 22:12 |
morgan | i still don't get why it passes sometimes locally | 22:13 |
morgan | s/sometimes/most of the time/ | 22:13 |
morgan | mordred: i mean... it passed in py35 and 27, there just not in coverage | 22:13 |
jamielennox | sdague: excellent, it's already friday here so discussing it next week is like the earliest to get something out anyway | 22:13 |
morgan | mordred: ... i think there is a bug in requests_mock somewhere ... will need to play "find the bug" | 22:13 |
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mordred | morgan: me either - but I also don't understand http://logs.openstack.org/81/434481/4/gate/gate-shade-dsvm-functional-neutron/d30fd89/console.html#_2017-02-16_21_31_47_010631 | 22:14 |
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jamielennox | oh? | 22:14 |
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morgan | jamielennox: yeah have a test that is failing intermittantly | 22:14 |
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morgan | something in how request mock is matching the URI | 22:14 |
morgan | i'll poke at it when i am less ... "OMG PACKING" | 22:15 |
jamielennox | morgan: so the only thing i know of that can be a problem there is sometimes case sensitivity can bit you in funny ways | 22:15 |
jamielennox | but if you're doing fairly static responses it shouldn't be an issue | 22:16 |
morgan | well, it's qs vs non-qs matching | 22:16 |
morgan | so i think there is something wonky with complete_qs vs non-complete_qs matching | 22:16 |
morgan | and sometimes matchers are picky | 22:16 |
morgan | i am certain if i pass complete_qs in both cases it will work as expected | 22:16 |
morgan | but that doesn't make for resolving why it sometimes passes and sometimes fails | 22:17 |
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morgan | which shouldn't ever be the case if the same matcher is registered each time | 22:17 |
morgan | same matchers* in the same order | 22:17 |
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morgan | anyway, worth chasing down. i'm sure it'll be some edge case thing. | 22:18 |
jamielennox | so case sensitivity in qs is where the bug is, there's a workaround if you think that might be it | 22:18 |
morgan | excecpt we're using static qs keys with uuid.uuid4().hex | 22:18 |
jamielennox | i'm not sure why complete vs non-complete would be a problem | 22:18 |
morgan | it should be always LC | 22:18 |
morgan | like i said, i'll poke at it | 22:19 |
morgan | i have an idea where the issue is | 22:19 |
jamielennox | morgan: yea, anyway it's complete vs non-complete is something i've used, but not heavily so let me know what you find | 22:19 |
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morgan | just need to focus on getting packed so i can get on a plane tomorrow | 22:19 |
* morgan grumps about funeral before PTG | 22:19 | |
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morgan | mordred: also, delta wont upgrade brie because she didn't have medallion status and I did a non-full-priced-fare. the companion upgrade is ... absurd. | 22:20 |
morgan | mordred: made me sad | 22:20 |
mordred | morgan: yah | 22:21 |
morgan | mordred: had to have them un-upgrade me becaus ei cou;dn't do it myself, hours on the phone. but hey got $70 voucher for the next flight. | 22:21 |
morgan | *eyeroll* | 22:21 |
mordred | morgan: it's super frustrating the way they do it all | 22:21 |
* morgan needs to remember to file expense report for airplane ticket tomorrow. | 22:21 | |
mordred | morgan: oh - do you need to put complete_qs on the one without a qs too? | 22:21 |
morgan | mordred: i bet that will make it consistent | 22:21 |
mordred | (this may be an argument in favor of just defaulting it to true always | 22:21 |
morgan | mordred: but i expect there is a deeper issue at play | 22:22 |
morgan | i think we'll run into issues setting it true always actually | 22:22 |
morgan | buuuutttt.... | 22:22 |
morgan | give me a day or two to debug. | 22:22 |
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morgan | i think i know what is going on, just needs a little tweaking. | 22:23 |
* morgan would like to not need to specify complete_qs in all cases unless its the only option | 22:23 | |
mordred | morgan: ++ | 22:24 |
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