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| kbaegis | Hi all. I have devstack working (finally), but two things appear to be malfunctioning on stable/newton | 00:20 |
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| kbaegis | 1, the glance tab on horizon doesn't appear to be successfully talking to glance-api | 00:20 |
| kbaegis | Glance sees the default devstack images fine with openstack image list | 00:20 |
| kbaegis | But I don't get ANYTHING when I go to the image tab | 00:20 |
| kbaegis | 2, I can't create instances. It's a dead javascript void | 00:21 |
| kbaegis | This would be fine if I were simply using the cli, but I need to show some folks horizon | 00:22 |
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| kbaegis | Any advice? Any fixes coming down to stable/newton? Fungi? | 00:22 |
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| kbaegis | Here's my localrc | 00:26 |
| kbaegis | https://hastebin.com/inomumapit.makefile | 00:26 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: See http://www.openstack.org/ptg -- the only subtlety is that the Arch WG would be only Tuesday and the Stewardship WG would be only Monday (as indicated in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Pike/Etherpads) | 08:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhang Ni proposed openstack/governance: Adding Fuxi-kubernetes as a Kuryr sub-project https://review.openstack.org/423791 | 09:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: add repo for Enterprise Working Group workload reference architecture https://review.openstack.org/423413 | 10:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance: OpenStack Pike Community Goal: deploy-api-in-wsgi https://review.openstack.org/419706 | 12:58 |
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| EmilienM | notmyname, dims ^ can you review again, please? | 13:01 |
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| cdent | EmilienM: 'rawr' means something like "I'm holding up my viscious kitten paw making you do things, where's my treats?" | 13:18 |
| EmilienM | cdent: ;) | 13:18 |
| cdent | Are you doing a road trip after the ptg? | 13:18 |
| EmilienM | cdent: can you vote in the review please? | 13:19 |
| cdent | Yeah, will do, haven't really got started yet today, but it's at the top of the list. | 13:19 |
| EmilienM | cdent: I'm not doing road trip after PTG, I have to come back here and pass an exam (pilot) | 13:19 |
| cdent | Does that mean the next PTG you'll fly? :) | 13:20 |
| EmilienM | cdent: BUT I have a breaking news for you | 13:20 |
| * cdent holds his breath | 13:20 | |
| EmilienM | cdent: something I don't want to tell on IRC :-) | 13:20 |
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| dims | EmilienM : still looks good :) | 13:31 |
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| EmilienM | dims: thanks | 13:34 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: ACK, I'm interested in SWG too tho.. so I'll probably just come in Sunday :) | 14:48 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: oh, wait... no infra Wed-Fri? | 14:51 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: well, infra out to help others on Wed-Fri, yes | 15:07 |
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| cdent | ildikov: If there's something like proofreading to be done on training materials, I'd be into that. | 16:29 |
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| ildikov | cdent: great, thank you! | 16:30 |
| cdent | just keep me in the loop and I'll try to help out | 16:30 |
| ildikov | cdent: if you have any ideas on training exercises we have an etherpad for that: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-exercises | 16:31 |
| cdent | will put that in my queue to look at and think about | 16:31 |
| ildikov | it contains the current list of exercises, we definitely have room for improvement there | 16:31 |
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| ildikov | cdent: it's quiet now, but you can find open reviews here once we put our minds around this again a bit more: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides | 16:32 |
| ildikov | cdent: thanks for offering your help! | 16:32 |
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| ildikov | cdent: you can find me easily if you have any questions, comments, ideas etc., I'm happy to discuss :) | 16:33 |
| ildikov | cdent: are you coming to the PTG? | 16:33 |
| cdent | ildikov: until yesterday I was not, but I've been travel granted | 16:33 |
| ildikov | cdent: \o/ :) | 16:35 |
| cdent | my reaction too :) | 16:35 |
| ildikov | :) | 16:35 |
| jroll | nice | 16:35 |
| jordanP | dims, ping you here ? about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421524/ | 16:38 |
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| cdent | rosmaita: if you can get in on this thread that would be good to make sure we get a diversity of voices: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110384.html | 16:42 |
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| rosmaita | cdent: ty, will take a look | 16:50 |
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| cdent | ossum, thanks | 16:50 |
| cdent | (I'm writing another followup now) | 16:50 |
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| dims | jordanP : pong | 17:07 |
| jordanP | dims, great. So I am unsure why you wanted to skip the backup tests ? | 17:08 |
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| jordanP | I am about to submit a change that will unconditionaly run the back tests (given c-bak service is here) | 17:08 |
| dims | jordanP : give me a sec | 17:09 |
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| dims | jordanP : swift is not ready for py35, we have added a ci job in tempest/devstack/nova for dsvm+tempest+py35 (example http://logs.openstack.org/36/411936/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-py35-ubuntu-xenial-nv/6333226/logs/) | 17:10 |
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| dims | jordanP : so swift is disabled in this test. when swift is disabled, those tests fail | 17:11 |
| dims | jordanP : so what's the best way to handle this situation? | 17:11 |
| jordanP | I see. One option is to remove c-bak from the ENABLED_SERVICES | 17:12 |
| jordanP | because in devstack, lib/tempest we have | 17:12 |
| jordanP | if ! is_service_enabled c-bak; then | 17:12 |
| jordanP | iniset $TEMPEST_CONFIG volume-feature-enabled backup False | 17:12 |
| jordanP | fi | 17:12 |
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| jordanP | so in addition to disabling Swift, you would also disable c-bak which looks reasonnable | 17:13 |
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| dims | jordanP : right makes sense (http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/devstack-gate.yaml#n648) | 17:13 |
| dims | we need to make the change there ^ | 17:13 |
| jordanP | yep, that would be just one more line | 17:13 |
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| dims | jordanP : may i request you to patch that up please? | 17:14 |
| jordanP | lol, that's bold :) But I'll do it | 17:14 |
| dims | jordanP : thanks! :) distracted with a couple of things and did not want you to wait for me | 17:15 |
| jordanP | np | 17:15 |
| dims | thanks jordanP ! | 17:15 |
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| jordanP | dims, : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424756/ | 17:26 |
| dims | +1 jordanP | 17:27 |
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| trevormc | hi ildikov, I'm a year into contributing to openstack and am interested in getting active in upstream training. Do you think being a mentor/coach would be a good fit for me and where do i sign up? :) | 17:44 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: hi :) | 17:44 |
| ildikov | trevormc: sure, of course, consider yourself signed up! :) | 17:45 |
| trevormc | ildikov: that was easy, what now? | 17:45 |
| ildikov | trevormc: the links in the mail are kind of good for starting point | 17:45 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: here you can find an etherpad with the current exercises, we're looking for more and improvements to the already existing ones: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-exercises | 17:46 |
| trevormc | yeah I see the conversation above, and the repo here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides | 17:46 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: with the team we are meeting every two weeks here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Training-guides_Team_Meeting | 17:47 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: it's more about the material and administrational stuff for now and discussing some activities | 17:47 |
| ildikov | trevormc: good to catch up with people who're maintaining the training material | 17:48 |
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| trevormc | ildikov: I attended the upstream-training at the last summit and am looking forward to helping out. I'll be at the next meeting to get warmed up to everyone at least. | 17:48 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: if we have a few volunteers around I'll try to organize a gathering maybe even before the PTG | 17:48 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: BTW, are you coming to the PTG? | 17:49 |
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| trevormc | ildikov: Yes most likely, just need some final confirmation. | 17:49 |
| ildikov | trevormc: that would be great if you can come | 17:50 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: I will keep you updated regardless of the PTG with where things are | 17:51 |
| ildikov | trevormc: please check the material/etherpad and let me know if you have any questions | 17:51 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: we also have a few open bugs I'm happy to chat about that too | 17:51 |
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| trevormc | ildikov: I hope I can go too, thanks for keeping me in the loop. I may be adding something to the etherpad, we'll see if it gets on there before the meetings. I'll see if I can take a crack at a bug. | 17:53 |
| ildikov | trevormc: I quickly created an etherpad to have a list of people who volunteered to help out: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-team | 17:57 |
| ildikov | trevormc: would you mind add yourself there please? Just name, IRC nick and mail, so I can contact you | 17:57 |
| trevormc | ildikov: Yes I can | 17:58 |
| ildikov | trevormc: great, thanks | 17:58 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: and feel free to add items to the etherpad(s) or ping me anytime if you have questions/ideas/suggestions | 17:59 |
| trevormc | ildikov: yeah I think my org has some ideas I can push through. I'll have to sync with them on this topic. | 18:00 |
| ildikov | trevormc: for the exercise etherpad please keep the authorship color or add your IRC nick there for instance so if we discuss thoughts from there we know which one is from whom | 18:00 |
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| ildikov | trevormc: what org are you with? | 18:01 |
| trevormc | ildikov: att | 18:01 |
| ildikov | trevormc: oh that sounds great! | 18:01 |
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| cdent | mordred: if you've got time/energy it would be great if you could expand on your comment "using microversions to add new functionality is great. Using it to make breaking changes means microversions are no longer microversions and are instead all major version bumps just called something else" in | 18:16 |
| cdent | this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110384.html | 18:16 |
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| cdent | dtroyer: you too ^ | 18:34 |
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| cdent | sigmavirus: and you know, of course you too on ^^ | 18:43 |
| sigmavirus | cdent: why would I comment on something related to APIs? =P | 18:44 |
| cdent | ppppphhhhbbt | 18:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: OpenStack Pike Community Goal: deploy-api-in-wsgi https://review.openstack.org/419706 | 20:22 |
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| cdent | Surely the team with the driver should be responsible for "marketing" the driver and not the service for which the driver is one? | 21:02 |
| persia | A volunteer for an unpleasant task does not necessarily need to be found from within a given set of people, and may have incentives that are somewhat opaque. | 21:02 |
| persia | So, even if the marketing is done by the team with the driver, they might do it within the framework of the service for which the driver is designed. | 21:04 |
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| cdent | yeah, that's good point, but I'm somewhat concerned about the axis of responsibility and priority here | 21:06 |
| jroll | I guess it varies by team | 21:06 |
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| jroll | e.g. in ironic, if we decide a driver is supported (re: has CI), it goes in tree | 21:06 |
| jroll | and we "market" the in-tree drivers, and ignore the rest | 21:06 |
| persia | If it is highly variable, someone could fund someone to be an excited volunteer helper for the less effective teams. | 21:06 |
| fungi | i guess the difference for neutron is that they don't want to have "supported" drivers (or at least want someone else to decide what "supported" means) | 21:06 |
| cdent | What's the advantage of having in-tree drivers (beyond some chosen default or reference driver)? | 21:07 |
| mugsie | if there is a change to the driver interface, the change can be made all at once? | 21:07 |
| persia | My impression is that neutron wants "supported" to be defined by the folk who have the hardware that is or isn't "supported", some of which is related to complexity of testing, and some of which is related to history. | 21:07 |
| jroll | it's another signal that it's supported, it helps make sure we don't break things, etc | 21:07 |
| cdent | mugsie: exactly: the driver interface shouldn't change :) | 21:07 |
| mugsie | were out of tree needs deprecation periods etc | 21:07 |
| * jroll thinks thingee needs to introduce the neutron team to our lord and savior "third party CI" | 21:07 | |
| cdent | and having out tree helps insure that | 21:08 |
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| mugsie | cdent: things do change though | 21:08 |
| cdent | too often | 21:08 |
| persia | cdent: Easier to update in-tree drivers when one needs to make a change to a driver-only interface. | 21:08 |
| jroll | cdent: also in-tree can have docs included with the project docs | 21:08 |
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| mugsie | designate made a huge change from syncronous to async a few years back. we had to reqrite the drivers from scratch | 21:08 |
| cdent | jroll: If you need specialized docs for different drivers that suggest something about the generalness of the abstraction over the drivers? | 21:08 |
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| cdent | Note, I'm not trying to pursue some change in approach, but rather trying to understand the positions we're in, by asking questions... | 21:09 |
| jroll | cdent: hardware isn't well-abstracted, unfortunately :( | 21:09 |
| jroll | but that could even be, e.g. troubleshooting docs | 21:09 |
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| jroll | e.g. "if you're using the iLO driver and get this error, throw it in the trash to resolve it" | 21:10 |
| persia | cdent: Even software drivers aren't necessarily well abstracted, if there are significantly different uses for the underlying technology. Consider the abstraction of network storage: some layouts may be better underlying choices for some network storage technologies (even pure-software ones), if one is planning to layer OpenStack storage technologies over them. | 21:10 |
| mugsie | well, the differences between bind, and powerdns configs is big enough | 21:11 |
| mugsie | (from our perspective) | 21:11 |
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| cdent | persia: Yeah, I get that, just clarifying the issues. | 21:11 |
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| fungi | jroll: i thought neutron dropped even allowing third-party ci systems to vote on proposed changes because they didn't have any volunteers to keep track of when they were misbehaving vs providing useful feedback (understandable as they have a pretty crazy number of drivers) | 21:12 |
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| jroll | fungi: I don't know, but that seems sad | 21:12 |
| cdent | It is sad, but it's not that surprising: latency in third party ci is a serious problem in nova too | 21:13 |
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| cdent | where latency basically means: paying close attention | 21:13 |
| cdent | _not_ paying | 21:13 |
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| persia | The special case described involved more than just not paying attention, but actively providing misleading information. For hardware drivers requiring limited-availability equipment, this is especially hard to police. | 21:15 |
| cdent | wow | 21:16 |
| fungi | hrm, they do have a handful allowed to vote verified -1..+1 on changes apparently: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/neutron-ci,members | 21:17 |
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| fungi | ihrachys's reply to me is reassuring as well. i interpreted his previously stated position as a bit more hands-off than his followup indicates | 21:22 |
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