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| openstackgerrit | Liam Young proposed openstack/governance: Add Keystone Admin charm interface https://review.openstack.org/420713 | 13:16 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: excellent post on https://ttx.re/create-official-openstack-project.html :) | 13:34 |
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| cdent | sigmavirus: good posting about barbican. that question is part of what is driving: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419397/ so that barbican could be considered "base" | 14:10 |
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| mugsie | cdent: sigmavirus I think a lot of the issues were people remembering how hard the HA story used to be with barbican. | 14:12 |
| mugsie | I dont know if that is fixed or not though | 14:12 |
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| mugsie | HA HSMs are quite painful - but the software replacement may not be | 14:13 |
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| sigmavirus | mugsie: cdent this is all good info. Care to reply with it (if you haven't yet)? | 14:15 |
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| mugsie | sigmavirus: yeah, I am jus finding old notes we took for DNSSEC which had info about barbican at the time | 14:17 |
| cdent | I will, just wanted to toss it out there before I forgot, while I'm in a meeting | 14:17 |
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| sigmavirus | cdent: I thought everyone wrote replies to ML threads when in meetings =P | 14:18 |
| cdent | irc meeting that I'm running :) | 14:18 |
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| gszasz | owalsh: ping re 1405098 | 15:07 |
| owalsh | gszasz: can you wait 5-10 mins? in a meeting | 15:08 |
| gszasz | owalsh: no problem... moving conversation to #rhos-compute | 15:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Witold Bedyk proposed openstack/governance: Add monasca-kibana-plugin project https://review.openstack.org/420757 | 15:17 |
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| ttx | EmilienM: thanks! | 15:23 |
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| ttx | been on my TODO pile for a while | 15:23 |
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| mordred | cdent, mugsie, sigmavirus: fwiw, not that it means anything, but I've long thought that designate and barbican should be in the set of "base services" | 20:41 |
| cdent | mordred: yeah, I can remember you mentioning that in the past | 20:41 |
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| mordred | cdent: that they aren't is clear indication that I am not the ruler of the world | 20:44 |
| * cdent adjusts his perceptions | 20:45 | |
| cdent | I've made a critical error | 20:45 |
| mordred | :) | 20:46 |
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| sigmavirus | mordred: I'm on board with that too but I can see Barbican being too hard to deploy at this point. | 20:57 |
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| dmsimard | dtroyer, dhellmann: Before filing a bug, I wanted to know your opinion on if this was really a bug -- seeing this in cliff: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/595106/ | 20:58 |
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| dmsimard | It looks like it's failing due to an empty value. The "-f value" format doesn't bail out. | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | dmsimard : "Undefined is not JSON serializable" | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | what's an "Undefined" object? | 20:59 |
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| dhellmann | maybe it's the path? what's the path set to? | 20:59 |
| dmsimard | Yeah, the path is empty in this case -- it's actually "null" returned from sqlalchemy, I would think it's not None. Let me see what's the actual value. | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | dmsimard : if that's the case, the application should convert it into something "sane" before returning it to the cliff layer | 21:04 |
| dmsimard | dhellmann: right, that's sort of what I thought as well -- I'll figure it out | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | the table formatter is probably working because the null thing turns itself into an empty string, but the json formatter can't make that assumption | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | dmsimard : sounds good | 21:04 |
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| mordred | sigmavirus: totally. I worry that both barbican and designate hit the same issue - which was deployers waiting for them to be "ready" - but them not getting to that point quickly enough since not enough deployers were depending on them, thus not enough people focused on the problems that caused them to be painful for deployers :( | 21:13 |
| mordred | it's a catch-22 we've wound up in a few times | 21:13 |
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| sdague | mordred: of the 2, barbican is probably a bit more critical, because any IaaS really should be doing encrypted disks and volumes by default. | 21:22 |
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| clarkb | they are both important, I have never seen a datacenter run without DNS | 21:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance: OpenStack Queens Community Goal: deploy-api-in-wsgi https://review.openstack.org/419706 | 23:44 |
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