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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/governance: Add Pike goal split out tempest plugins https://review.openstack.org/369749 | 01:41 |
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| mtreinish | jroll: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109587.html there's your thread :) | 01:53 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: one quirk that came up today with that is now you have twice as many projects to list in devstack-gate PROJECTS list for devstack plugins | 01:55 |
| clarkb | (not a major issue just something to be aware of) | 01:55 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: for devstack plugins? The devstack plugins will still be bundled in the project repo | 01:56 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: ya but devstack-gate prevents devstack and its plugins from cloning repos | 01:56 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: it should just be N+1 for the new tempest plugin repo that needs to be installed too | 01:56 |
| clarkb | you ahve to explicitly tell devstack-gate I want barbican and barbican-tempest-plugin now when using the barbican devstack plugin for example | 01:56 |
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| clarkb | otherwise the barbican devstack plugin fails on the clone its tempest plugin step | 01:57 |
| mtreinish | yeah | 01:57 |
| clarkb | basically its just a thing people will need to be aware of while making these changes | 01:58 |
| mtreinish | sure | 01:59 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: there are a few little implementation details to work out when people start doing it | 02:02 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: I think jroll has started the process for ironic, so I'll bug him to write down all the little details when he's done | 02:02 |
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| clarkb | I'm just mentioning it as it apparently impacted octavia's use of barbican | 02:02 |
| clarkb | but getting jroll to write things down seems like an excellent idea | 02:03 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: octavia required barbican's tempest plugin? | 02:03 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: transitively via barbican's devstack plugin requiring barbicans tempest plugin | 02:04 |
| mtreinish | ah, ok | 02:04 |
| mtreinish | I'd view that more as a bug in the barbican devstack, but sure I didn't actually think of that dimension to it | 02:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: retire keystoneclient-kerberos https://review.openstack.org/413823 | 09:20 |
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| jroll | clarkb: mtreinish: ++ for writing things down, ++ for devstack plugins not installing tempest plugins, that should be a project-config thing imo | 10:54 |
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| cdent | EmilienM: you awake yet? Was looking at the backlog about placement and port 80. Thought I might be able to provide more info/context if needed. | 11:08 |
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| EmilienM | cdent: hello and happy new year! | 12:07 |
| cdent | EmilienM: and to you | 12:07 |
| EmilienM | thanks | 12:07 |
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| cdent | the thing about the port 80 stuff is not that port 80 is required, but rather that it is supposed to be "portless". It runs on either of the two default ports 80 or 443, on a prefix (usually of /placement) | 12:08 |
| cdent | but that's just for devstack, what someone uses in a deployment is entirely up to them | 12:09 |
| cdent | the confusion about 8778 versus anything else was that there was a collision with senlin | 12:09 |
| cdent | I can find some conversations in the log between bauzas and I if you want more about the "portless" idea. But the basic goal is to have a front end of api.openstack.org that has all the services within that domain on the same port | 12:10 |
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| EmilienM | cdent: fair enough. I'll try to make it work with automation tools. Just giving feedback on the fact it adds complexity | 12:13 |
| cdent | the point I'm trying to make is that what devstack does is not what puppet or tripleo need to do | 12:14 |
| cdent | you can do whatever you like (for the defaults) in puppet, as long as the port doesn't collide, and you put it in the service catalog properly. clients (like nova itself) always use the service catalog to look up the placement endoint, never configuration. | 12:15 |
| cdent | so it can be anything | 12:15 |
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| bauzas | cdent: EmilienM: honestly the big question I wonder is that if the service catalogs should be identical for all deployments ? | 12:42 |
| bauzas | for example, the Compute API is using the 8774 port | 12:43 |
| bauzas | could some deployments using another port ? | 12:43 |
| cdent | bauzas: isn't that part of the reason for having a service catalog? to allow that sort of thing? | 12:43 |
| bauzas | since all the openstack clients are using the service catalog, that's working | 12:43 |
| bauzas | but given some application developers are just querying Nova API without using the service catalog, should they want to have the same port for all clouds ? | 12:44 |
| bauzas | ttx: in case you have opinions about that ^ | 12:44 |
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| bauzas | cdent: I agree with you on that point, the service catalog is there for that | 12:50 |
| bauzas | cdent: I just saw some application developers calling some APIs directly | 12:50 |
| * cdent nods | 12:51 | |
| bauzas | the question is then, should we support that? | 12:51 |
| bauzas | I'm totally okay with us saying 'you should first callout the service catalog', but AFAIK, that's not said yet | 12:51 |
| sdague | bauzas: no... they should always go through the service catalog | 12:51 |
| sdague | it's why it's embedded in the keystone token | 12:51 |
| bauzas | sdague: is that something we document? | 12:52 |
| sdague | bauzas: I don't know | 12:52 |
| bauzas | because if so, I'm totally fine with each deployment using their single ports they want | 12:52 |
| bauzas | because I remember some upstream discussion like 3 years ago about providing some IANA querys for saying "nova should be this port" | 12:53 |
| bauzas | if now the consensus is that any service can be on any port and the service catalog being the single source of truth for a specific deployment, I'm totally okay | 12:54 |
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| sdague | the only IANA port that was registered was keystone | 13:34 |
| sdague | IIRC | 13:34 |
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| ttx | yes, only keystone was registered afaik | 13:39 |
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| mtreinish | jroll: have you been writing down what you've been doing for the ironic plugin split out anywhere? | 16:53 |
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| jroll | mtreinish: so far I've created repos, that's it | 16:54 |
| mtreinish | heh, I think that's more than anyone else :) | 16:55 |
| jroll | I saw the conversation yesterday, I will make notes | 16:55 |
| jroll | \o/ | 16:55 |
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| paw | is there a channel for devstack development? | 17:01 |
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| jroll | paw: #openstack-qa is best | 17:02 |
| paw | jroll: thanks | 17:02 |
| jroll | np | 17:02 |
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| stevemar | sigmavirus: poke | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus | stevemar: ekop | 17:11 |
| stevemar | sigmavirus: about the pycodestyle bug, i can fix the bug from a keystone point of view, avoid using the internals of pep8 | 17:12 |
| stevemar | sigmavirus: but i can't do a try/except for pycodestyle since we dont have it in global reqs | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | stevemar: the larger issue is that Adam is clearly going to just swap out pep8 for pycodestyle in Fedora | 17:13 |
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| sigmavirus | Which ignores the fact that hacking isn't compatible with Flake8 3.0, or pycodestyle in the slightest | 17:13 |
| stevemar | =\ | 17:13 |
| stevemar | yeah, i wasn't about to touch that issue with a ten foot pole | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | So what Keystone and other projects are doing is presently a very very tiny concern | 17:13 |
| stevemar | i figure thats a red hat problem | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | (in the grander scheme of things) | 17:14 |
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| * stevemar shrugs at sigmavirus | 17:15 | |
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| sigmavirus | Yeah | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | I guess keeping boy pycodestyle and pep8 in the g-r is fine | 17:16 |
| stevemar | either we fix hacking, like you said; or adam will eventually run into so many issues with pycodestyle he'll stop using it (or someone else at RH will tell him to not use it :) ) | 17:16 |
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| sigmavirus | But the thing I'm worried about is people using pycodestyle *and* hacking | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | Which will produce conflicting violations at this point | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | #ThanksGuido | 17:17 |
| stevemar | the reasoning for the rename seems silly :\ | 17:17 |
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| sigmavirus | stevemar: yeah i wasn't a fan of it and that's when he pulled out "Well the PSF has a defacto trademark on PEP and I really don't want to involve lawyers" which scared the other participants | 17:18 |
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| notmyname | ttx: I'm confused by your email about the PTG scheduling | 19:03 |
| notmyname | you said there's no cross project stuff on monday-tuesday | 19:03 |
| notmyname | but https://www.openstack.org/ptg says there is | 19:03 |
| notmyname | maybe it's a different definition of cross-project? | 19:03 |
| notmyname | also, what's a "transverse" project? I've not heard that before | 19:04 |
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