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openstackgerrit | yunfeng zhou proposed openstack/governance: add CONTRIBUTING.rst https://review.openstack.org/412826 | 07:17 |
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bauzas | ttx: hola | 08:03 |
bauzas | ttx: I have a question re: ports allocations for WSGI services | 08:03 |
bauzas | ttx: the placement service used 8778 but it seems we broke Senlin | 08:04 |
bauzas | ttx: how can we be sure to have a correct port ? | 08:04 |
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bauzas | ttx: context here | 08:05 |
bauzas | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109219.html | 08:05 |
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ttx | bauzas: I remember a very old thread about that... let me see if I can find it again | 08:30 |
bauzas | ttx: I really want to avoid us changing a port number for yet again trampling another service | 08:31 |
bauzas | ttx: my remediation plan is to propose senlin to not run the placement api temporarely while we identify which port number can be safely taken | 08:32 |
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ttx | bauzas: some historic context (not sure it helps much): http://openstack-dev.openstack.narkive.com/NsVrLfPD/openstack-vs-well-known-ports#post3 | 08:39 |
bauzas | ttx: honestly, I always considered the service catalog as the main catalog for that | 08:40 |
ttx | was more to avoid collision with other things than other openstack services | 08:40 |
ttx | (the threads I referenced to) | 08:40 |
bauzas | yeah I remember that thread | 08:40 |
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ttx | wouldn't be completely crazy to keep track of assigned ports somewhere more... distinct than the appendix about firewall ports | 08:41 |
bauzas | honestly, I don't think that doc about firewall ports is very accurate | 08:41 |
ttx | could be in governance as a /etc/services -like thing | 08:42 |
bauzas | that's something operator-related, but we could imagine some services not exposing their REST APIs outside | 08:42 |
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ttx | also noting which ones are actually registered with IANA | 08:42 |
bauzas | ttx: that's my thoughts honestly | 08:42 |
bauzas | I don't want to add yet another thing for the TC, but that one seems a good candidate tho :) | 08:42 |
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bauzas | and I don't think a project should just be able to claim any fun port it would like | 08:43 |
ttx | yes, sounds appropriate. I think for the immediate issue you should suggest a number and run with it, but to avoid the same problem in the future you should suggest the TC keeps a list | 08:43 |
ttx | we tend to only think about those when they start to collide :) | 08:44 |
bauzas | ttx: yeah, the only issue that picking another port will be based on non-objective criterias | 08:44 |
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bauzas | heh fun, senlin was broken because they don't correctly use devstack-gate | 08:49 |
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yanyanhu | hi, bauzas, thanks for the suggestion to define the gate job more accurately. But just the change about the placement service lib in devstack could influence every services that rely on devstack-gate to validate their change(although no more conflict happen till now) | 08:59 |
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bauzas | yanyanhu: I agree it's a problme | 09:00 |
yanyanhu | I agree we should disable the installation of placement service explicitly in our gate job. Just we will be very appreciative if there is any hint when this new service is enabled by default | 09:00 |
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bauzas | yanyanhu: I just don't want to blindly change the port number until we get a clear sign that nobody is using the next one | 09:00 |
yanyanhu | bauzas, sure, understand your concern | 09:01 |
Qiming | bauzas, the placement service jumped in only in less than 24 hours, I don't think changing it to something else would be a big concern | 09:02 |
yanyanhu | it is a good idea to mentaining a list of available port to avoid this kind of issue | 09:02 |
Qiming | since we don't have a central registry for registering port numbers used, maybe the best solution is still a "try ... wait" approach | 09:03 |
gmann | i am sure there are might be other port conflict also as lots of services now and nobody update manual port list | 09:03 |
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bauzas | Qiming: sec, just sending you an email | 09:03 |
Qiming | okay | 09:04 |
bauzas | Qiming: yanyanhu: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109232.html | 09:05 |
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Qiming | looks good, bauzas, thanks for the quick solution, will keep a close eye on the output | 09:08 |
bauzas | Qiming: that's why I wrote a canary patch | 09:09 |
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bauzas | I'm not expert of d-g tho | 09:09 |
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bauzas | sorry, devstack-gate | 09:09 |
bauzas | so I could be wrong | 09:09 |
yanyanhu | bauzas, thanks for the fix. I agree it is an acceptable temporary solution. I tried to use OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES rather than ENABLED_SERVICES when wrote that gate job. | 09:10 |
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bauzas | yanyanhu: do you folks use Nova or just Neutron with a top-level stack ? | 09:10 |
yanyanhu | just I finally followed Andreas's suggestion to use enabled_services since it make sense to me. | 09:10 |
yanyanhu | top-level stack, you mean? | 09:11 |
bauzas | yanyanhu: the point is that using enabled_services will make you not independant of what you're testing against | 09:11 |
bauzas | independent even | 09:11 |
bauzas | yanyanhu: while override_enabled_services allows you to say "okay, I want this and that, and only those" | 09:12 |
bauzas | FWIW, looking at zuul to see the outputs | 09:12 |
yanyanhu | Yes, agree with this. | 09:12 |
yanyanhu | will wait for the gate output | 09:12 |
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gmann | bauzas: yanyanhu Qiming not sure about OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES whether it really needed, senlin does not need other default services ? | 09:19 |
bauzas | that's the question I asked above :) | 09:19 |
Qiming | so far we don't need them other than the ones we explicitly specified | 09:19 |
gmann | bauzas: +1 :) | 09:20 |
gmann | Qiming: cool | 09:20 |
yanyanhu | and also all those dependencies to run those services | 09:20 |
bauzas | ttx: you folks are running the TC meeting tonight? | 09:20 |
yanyanhu | like, message queue and mysql | 09:20 |
bauzas | ttx: I guess it's too late for proposing another item ? :) | 09:21 |
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ttx | bauzas: yeah.. and our agenda is pretty full. I can mention it in open discussion though | 09:21 |
bauzas | yanyanhu: gmann: Qiming: oh snap, that won't work | 09:22 |
bauzas | I'm just telnetting to the host running the job, and I see it's still enabling nova and the placement service | 09:23 |
bauzas | even with declaring OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES | 09:23 |
bauzas | honestly, I'm puzzled | 09:23 |
Qiming | so, Andreas is right | 09:23 |
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gmann | bauzas: is it? Override should override | 09:24 |
* gmann checking | 09:24 | |
bauzas | gmann: telnet 15.184.67.79 19885 | 09:24 |
bauzas | and you'll see | 09:24 |
gmann | nice, thanks | 09:25 |
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ecksun | What is missing to get this change merged? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336276/ | 10:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: add goal "support python 3.5" https://review.openstack.org/349069 | 12:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: use case-insensitive sort for project teams in goal documents https://review.openstack.org/413067 | 12:47 |
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dhellmann | ttx, bauzas : didn't the API working group start creating a port registry? | 13:12 |
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bauzas | dhellmann: nothing I heard of yet | 13:26 |
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bauzas | but sdague had an opinion about starting to remove the application ports now that we're using mod_wsgi | 13:26 |
bauzas | which I agree with | 13:26 |
bauzas | probably a TC discussion | 13:26 |
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bauzas | like a pike objective | 13:27 |
jroll | yeah, that makes for a hard dependency on apache (which should really be, do we hard dep on apache or provide a few different ways to run it to support e.g. nginx) | 13:27 |
sdague | dhellmann: it was actually a different service catalog group, but that got kind of stalled | 13:27 |
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sdague | jroll: dropping ports doesn't make it a hard apache dependency | 13:28 |
jroll | sdague: I took that to mean 'drop the ability to run services without an additional web server', but maybe it means 'force user to choose a port'? | 13:28 |
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sdague | also, the placement API has not eventlet oslo.service fallback | 13:28 |
sdague | s/not/no/ | 13:29 |
jroll | neat | 13:29 |
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bauzas | I think it's fine for placement given we don't have an eventlet server like sdague said | 13:29 |
sdague | yeh | 13:29 |
bauzas | the rest of the projects are possibly a different discussion | 13:30 |
jroll | sure | 13:30 |
bauzas | related to the service catalog | 13:30 |
bauzas | I mean, anyone can just use any port their want | 13:30 |
bauzas | the real problem is about interop | 13:30 |
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bauzas | but | 13:31 |
bauzas | should we really expose those ports and not just the keystone one ? | 13:31 |
bauzas | I mean, as an user, I just wanna call keystone with my client | 13:31 |
bauzas | but maybe application developers 'd like to directly call the service ports | 13:31 |
jroll | yeah, I don't disagree | 13:31 |
sdague | bauzas: yeh, I think inertia is what keeps us where we are | 13:32 |
sdague | anyway, placement is really straight forward | 13:32 |
bauzas | sdague: I just have a nit tho about placement | 13:32 |
sdague | bauzas: ok, which is? | 13:32 |
bauzas | we're using daemon mode for the virtualhost | 13:32 |
bauzas | and embedded mode for the location call | 13:32 |
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bauzas | it could be a problem for operators, but again it's left to deployers | 13:33 |
bauzas | here I'm more thinking of devstack itself | 13:33 |
sdague | bauzas: github links? show me the code in question so I can get context | 13:33 |
bauzas | sorry sec | 13:33 |
bauzas | https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-placement-api.template#L4 | 13:33 |
bauzas | vs. the location directive https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-placement-api.template#L19-L25 | 13:34 |
bauzas | sdague: given we don't have a WSGIDaemonProcess directive, that means we run mod_wsgi in embedded mode | 13:34 |
bauzas | totally different from the virtualhost one, where we have one worker out of httpd | 13:35 |
jroll | bauzas: I think the WSGIProcessGroup links it back to the daemon defined in the virtualhost? | 13:36 |
bauzas | if we begin stacking all our services within the same httpd processes, I think we could probably use that in daemon mode | 13:36 |
jroll | it's just aliasing /placement to / in that daemon | 13:36 |
jroll | http://modwsgi.readthedocs.io/en/develop/configuration-directives/WSGIProcessGroup.html "All WSGI applications within the same process group will execute within the context of the same group of daemon processes" | 13:37 |
bauzas | jroll: oh right, indeed, missed it | 13:37 |
jroll | bauzas: disclaimer, I don't know mod_wsgi well so could be wrong :P | 13:37 |
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bauzas | so we're safe but if I gonna cut the virtualhost, I need to redefine the daemon anyway | 13:37 |
bauzas | jroll: nah nah that's correct | 13:38 |
sdague | bauzas: yeh, so basically you'll need to put most of those stanzas into the the /placement one | 13:38 |
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sdague | anyway, it's default and voting now, so changes will be self tested :) | 13:38 |
jroll | yep, without the Alias | 13:38 |
bauzas | yep | 13:38 |
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bauzas | just finishing eating and then doing that | 13:38 |
sdague | jroll: the Alias stanza is still needed | 13:39 |
bauzas | yup I know | 13:39 |
sdague | that's not linking the 2 blocks, that's telling it what the url is | 13:39 |
sdague | bauzas: ok, cool, just let me know when you have stuff up for review, will ensure we get that in today | 13:39 |
bauzas | I need to cut https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-placement-api.template#L1-L16 and put some directives in the location directive itself | 13:39 |
jroll | ah, I assumed if you only had the location directive it wouldn't be needed | 13:40 |
bauzas | yeah, we're honestly blocking senlin | 13:40 |
bauzas | all of that is implied because we share the same process group | 13:40 |
bauzas | but if I'm gonna cut the virtualhost I need to redefine them obviously | 13:40 |
bauzas | anyway, \o | 13:40 |
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dulek | ttx: Hi! Is there anything more I should do about getting a tag for the project, beside proposing a patch to openstack/governance? | 15:02 |
dulek | ttx: Related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412393/ | 15:02 |
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ttx | dulek: nope, nothing else. We usually approve them by lazy consensus after a week | 15:08 |
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dulek | ttx: Okay, thank you! | 15:10 |
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maticue_ | Hi everyone, I'm trying to build a devstack (mitaka and newton ) with an opencontrail connection. Both cases show me the following error messages ( http://pastebin.com/VCYjztAr ). The error is related with pip package openstacksdk. I uninstall and reinstall the package and works.. but, after deploy again the devstack.. openstacksdk starts to fail | 15:47 |
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dasm | maticue_: i would suggest to use clean vm. i had similar problem with neutron-lib | 15:49 |
dasm | maticue_: even when i've manually updated it, it didn't solve a problems. only clean installation helped | 15:49 |
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maticue_ | dasm: thanks, I created two Ubuntu 14.04 VMs from the scratch and had the same issue. Could you explain me what do you refer when you say "clean vm". Is it what I did? | 15:51 |
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dasm | maticue_: yep. created new vm, and had no mor problems | 15:51 |
maticue_ | oops, I'll try again, then | 15:52 |
maticue_ | thanks dasm! dasm++ | 15:52 |
dasm | maticue_: np. hopefully it'll solve your problem | 15:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/governance: add new library "openstackclient" to OSC team https://review.openstack.org/413153 | 16:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/governance: add new library "openstackclient" to OSC team https://review.openstack.org/413153 | 16:04 |
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ashu | Hi | 18:51 |
ashu | Can someone clear my doubts w.r.t openstack heat | 18:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Dolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Generalize tag application processes https://review.openstack.org/410322 | 19:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Dolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Disallow downtime of controlled resources during upgrades https://review.openstack.org/404361 | 19:43 |
openstackgerrit | Dolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Remove tag application process for accessible upgrade https://review.openstack.org/410329 | 19:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Dolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Disallow downtime of controlled resources during upgrades https://review.openstack.org/404361 | 19:44 |
openstackgerrit | Dolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Remove tag application process for accessible upgrade https://review.openstack.org/410329 | 19:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/governance: Add Pike goal split out tempest plugins https://review.openstack.org/369749 | 19:53 |
mtreinish | EmilienM: ^^^ | 19:53 |
mtreinish | although I probably need to add some more detail to it | 19:53 |
EmilienM | mtreinish: nice, thanks | 19:54 |
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jroll | mtreinish: do we plan to discuss that one on the ML at all? | 20:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Storlets to become official - Proposed governance change https://review.openstack.org/353693 | 20:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Amend reference/PTI with supported distros https://review.openstack.org/402940 | 20:30 |
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mtreinish | jroll: I hadn't thought about it tbh | 21:00 |
jroll | mtreinish: oh, that's part of the process, AIUI: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html#identifying-goals | 21:01 |
jroll | I guess it isn't clear from that if it's a hard requirement, but I believe it was | 21:01 |
mtreinish | jroll: I can write something up for the ml. Although it's on EmilienM's etherpad o' goals which was on the ml | 21:02 |
jroll | mtreinish: yeah, I think the idea is any we propose will end up being discussed on the mailing list, and then locked in by PTG time | 21:03 |
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