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openstackgerrityunfeng zhou proposed openstack/governance: add CONTRIBUTING.rst  https://review.openstack.org/41282607:17
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bauzasttx: hola08:03
bauzasttx: I have a question re: ports allocations for WSGI services08:03
bauzasttx: the placement service used 8778 but it seems we broke Senlin08:04
bauzasttx: how can we be sure to have a correct port ?08:04
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bauzasttx: context here08:05
bauzashttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109219.html08:05
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ttxbauzas: I remember a very old thread about that... let me see if I can find it again08:30
bauzasttx: I really want to avoid us changing a port number for yet again trampling another service08:31
bauzasttx: my remediation plan is to propose senlin to not run the placement api temporarely while we identify which port number can be safely taken08:32
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ttxbauzas: some historic context  (not sure it helps much): http://openstack-dev.openstack.narkive.com/NsVrLfPD/openstack-vs-well-known-ports#post308:39
bauzasttx: honestly, I always considered the service catalog as the main catalog for that08:40
ttxwas more to avoid collision with other things than other openstack services08:40
ttx(the threads I referenced to)08:40
bauzasyeah I remember that thread08:40
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ttxwouldn't be completely crazy to keep track of assigned ports somewhere more... distinct than the appendix about firewall ports08:41
bauzashonestly, I don't think that doc about firewall ports is very accurate08:41
ttxcould be in governance as a /etc/services -like thing08:42
bauzasthat's something operator-related, but we could imagine some services not exposing their REST APIs outside08:42
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ttxalso noting which ones are actually registered with IANA08:42
bauzasttx: that's my thoughts honestly08:42
bauzasI don't want to add yet another thing for the TC, but that one seems a good candidate tho :)08:42
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bauzasand I don't think a project should just be able to claim any fun port it would like08:43
ttxyes, sounds appropriate. I think for the immediate issue you should suggest a number and run with it, but to avoid the same problem in the future you should suggest the TC keeps a list08:43
ttxwe tend to only think about those when they start to collide :)08:44
bauzasttx: yeah, the only issue that picking another port will be based on non-objective criterias08:44
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bauzasheh fun, senlin was broken because they don't correctly use devstack-gate08:49
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yanyanhuhi, bauzas, thanks for the suggestion to define the gate job more accurately. But just the change about the placement service lib in devstack could influence every services that rely on devstack-gate to validate their change(although no more conflict happen till now)08:59
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bauzasyanyanhu: I agree it's a problme09:00
yanyanhuI agree we should disable the installation of placement service explicitly in our gate job. Just we will be very appreciative if there is any hint when this new service is enabled by default09:00
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bauzasyanyanhu: I just don't want to blindly change the port number until we get a clear sign that nobody is using the next one09:00
yanyanhubauzas, sure, understand your concern09:01
Qimingbauzas, the placement service jumped in only in less than 24 hours, I don't think changing it to something else would be a big concern09:02
yanyanhuit is a good idea to mentaining a list of available port to avoid this kind of issue09:02
Qimingsince we don't have a central registry for registering port numbers used, maybe the best solution is still a "try ... wait" approach09:03
gmanni am sure there are might be other port conflict also as lots of services now and nobody update manual port list09:03
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bauzasQiming: sec, just sending you an email09:03
Qimingokay09:04
bauzasQiming: yanyanhu: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109232.html09:05
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Qiminglooks good, bauzas, thanks for the quick solution, will keep a close eye on the output09:08
bauzasQiming: that's why I wrote a canary patch09:09
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bauzasI'm not expert of d-g tho09:09
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bauzassorry, devstack-gate09:09
bauzasso I could be wrong09:09
yanyanhubauzas, thanks for the fix. I agree it is an acceptable temporary solution. I tried to use OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES rather than ENABLED_SERVICES when wrote that gate job.09:10
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bauzasyanyanhu: do you folks use Nova or just Neutron with a top-level stack ?09:10
yanyanhujust I finally followed Andreas's suggestion to use enabled_services since it make sense to me.09:10
yanyanhutop-level stack, you mean?09:11
bauzasyanyanhu: the point is that using enabled_services will make you not independant of what you're testing against09:11
bauzasindependent even09:11
bauzasyanyanhu: while override_enabled_services allows you to say "okay, I want this and that, and only those"09:12
bauzasFWIW, looking at zuul to see the outputs09:12
yanyanhuYes, agree with this.09:12
yanyanhuwill wait for the gate output09:12
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gmannbauzas:  yanyanhu  Qiming  not sure about OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES  whether it really needed, senlin does not need other default services ?09:19
bauzasthat's the question I asked above :)09:19
Qimingso far we don't need them other than the ones we explicitly specified09:19
gmannbauzas: +1 :)09:20
gmannQiming: cool09:20
yanyanhuand also all those dependencies to run those services09:20
bauzasttx: you folks are running the TC meeting tonight?09:20
yanyanhulike, message queue and mysql09:20
bauzasttx: I guess it's too late for proposing another item ? :)09:21
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ttxbauzas: yeah.. and our agenda is pretty full. I can mention it in open discussion though09:21
bauzasyanyanhu: gmann: Qiming: oh snap, that won't work09:22
bauzasI'm just telnetting to the host running the job, and I see it's still enabling nova and the placement service09:23
bauzaseven with declaring OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES09:23
bauzashonestly, I'm puzzled09:23
Qimingso, Andreas is right09:23
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gmannbauzas: is it? Override should override09:24
* gmann checking09:24
bauzasgmann: telnet 15.184.67.79 1988509:24
bauzasand you'll see09:24
gmannnice, thanks09:25
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ecksunWhat is missing to get this change merged? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336276/10:45
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: add goal "support python 3.5"  https://review.openstack.org/34906912:46
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: use case-insensitive sort for project teams in goal documents  https://review.openstack.org/41306712:47
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dhellmannttx, bauzas : didn't the API working group start creating a port registry?13:12
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bauzasdhellmann: nothing I heard of yet13:26
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bauzasbut sdague had an opinion about starting to remove the application ports now that we're using mod_wsgi13:26
bauzaswhich I agree with13:26
bauzasprobably a TC discussion13:26
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bauzaslike a pike objective13:27
jrollyeah, that makes for a hard dependency on apache (which should really be, do we hard dep on apache or provide a few different ways to run it to support e.g. nginx)13:27
sdaguedhellmann: it was actually a different service catalog group, but that got kind of stalled13:27
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sdaguejroll: dropping ports doesn't make it a hard apache dependency13:28
jrollsdague: I took that to mean 'drop the ability to run services without an additional web server', but maybe it means 'force user to choose a port'?13:28
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sdaguealso, the placement API has not eventlet oslo.service fallback13:28
sdagues/not/no/13:29
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bauzasI think it's fine for placement given we don't have an eventlet server like sdague said13:29
sdagueyeh13:29
bauzasthe rest of the projects are possibly a different discussion13:30
jrollsure13:30
bauzasrelated to the service catalog13:30
bauzasI mean, anyone can just use any port their want13:30
bauzasthe real problem is about interop13:30
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bauzasbut13:31
bauzasshould we really expose those ports and not just the keystone one ?13:31
bauzasI mean, as an user, I just wanna call keystone with my client13:31
bauzasbut maybe application developers 'd like to directly call the service ports13:31
jrollyeah, I don't disagree13:31
sdaguebauzas: yeh, I think inertia is what keeps us where we are13:32
sdagueanyway, placement is really straight forward13:32
bauzassdague: I just have a nit tho about placement13:32
sdaguebauzas: ok, which is?13:32
bauzaswe're using daemon mode for the virtualhost13:32
bauzasand embedded mode for the location call13:32
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bauzasit could be a problem for operators, but again it's left to deployers13:33
bauzashere I'm more thinking of devstack itself13:33
sdaguebauzas: github links? show me the code in question so I can get context13:33
bauzassorry sec13:33
bauzashttps://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-placement-api.template#L413:33
bauzasvs. the location directive https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-placement-api.template#L19-L2513:34
bauzassdague: given we don't have a WSGIDaemonProcess directive, that means we run mod_wsgi in embedded mode13:34
bauzastotally different from the virtualhost one, where we have one worker out of httpd13:35
jrollbauzas: I think the WSGIProcessGroup links it back to the daemon defined in the virtualhost?13:36
bauzasif we begin stacking all our services within the same httpd processes, I think we could probably use that in daemon mode13:36
jrollit's just aliasing /placement to / in that daemon13:36
jrollhttp://modwsgi.readthedocs.io/en/develop/configuration-directives/WSGIProcessGroup.html "All WSGI applications within the same process group will execute within the context of the same group of daemon processes"13:37
bauzasjroll: oh right, indeed, missed it13:37
jrollbauzas: disclaimer, I don't know mod_wsgi well so could be wrong :P13:37
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bauzasso we're safe but if I gonna cut the virtualhost, I need to redefine the daemon anyway13:37
bauzasjroll: nah nah that's correct13:38
sdaguebauzas: yeh, so basically you'll need to put most of those stanzas into the the /placement one13:38
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sdagueanyway, it's default and voting now, so changes will be self tested :)13:38
jrollyep, without the Alias13:38
bauzasyep13:38
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bauzasjust finishing eating and then doing that13:38
sdaguejroll: the Alias stanza is still needed13:39
bauzasyup I know13:39
sdaguethat's not linking the 2 blocks, that's telling it what the url is13:39
sdaguebauzas: ok, cool, just let me know when you have stuff up for review, will ensure we get that in today13:39
bauzasI need to cut https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-placement-api.template#L1-L16 and put some directives in the location directive itself13:39
jrollah, I assumed if you only had the location directive it wouldn't be needed13:40
bauzasyeah, we're honestly blocking senlin13:40
bauzasall of that is implied because we share the same process group13:40
bauzasbut if I'm gonna cut the virtualhost I need to redefine them obviously13:40
bauzasanyway, \o13:40
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dulekttx: Hi! Is there anything more I should do about getting a tag for the project, beside proposing a patch to openstack/governance?15:02
dulekttx: Related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412393/15:02
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ttxdulek: nope, nothing else. We usually approve them by lazy consensus after a week15:08
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dulekttx: Okay, thank you!15:10
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maticue_Hi everyone, I'm trying to build a devstack (mitaka and newton ) with an opencontrail connection. Both cases show me the following error messages ( http://pastebin.com/VCYjztAr ). The error is related with pip package openstacksdk. I uninstall and reinstall the package and works.. but, after deploy again the devstack.. openstacksdk starts to fail15:47
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dasmmaticue_: i would suggest to use clean vm. i had similar problem with neutron-lib15:49
dasmmaticue_: even when i've manually updated it, it didn't solve a problems. only clean installation helped15:49
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maticue_dasm: thanks, I created two Ubuntu 14.04 VMs from the scratch and had the same issue. Could you explain me what do you refer when you say "clean vm". Is it what I did?15:51
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dasmmaticue_: yep. created new vm, and had no mor problems15:51
maticue_oops, I'll try again, then15:52
maticue_thanks dasm! dasm++15:52
dasmmaticue_: np. hopefully it'll solve your problem15:52
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openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed openstack/governance: add new library "openstackclient" to OSC team  https://review.openstack.org/41315316:03
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openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed openstack/governance: add new library "openstackclient" to OSC team  https://review.openstack.org/41315316:04
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ashuHi18:51
ashuCan someone clear my doubts w.r.t openstack heat18:51
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openstackgerritDolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Generalize tag application processes  https://review.openstack.org/41032219:28
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openstackgerritDolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Disallow downtime of controlled resources during upgrades  https://review.openstack.org/40436119:43
openstackgerritDolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Remove tag application process for accessible upgrade  https://review.openstack.org/41032919:43
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openstackgerritDolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Disallow downtime of controlled resources during upgrades  https://review.openstack.org/40436119:44
openstackgerritDolph Mathews proposed openstack/governance: Remove tag application process for accessible upgrade  https://review.openstack.org/41032919:44
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack/governance: Add Pike goal split out tempest plugins  https://review.openstack.org/36974919:53
mtreinishEmilienM: ^^^19:53
mtreinishalthough I probably need to add some more detail to it19:53
EmilienMmtreinish: nice, thanks19:54
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jrollmtreinish: do we plan to discuss that one on the ML at all?20:01
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance: Storlets to become official - Proposed governance change  https://review.openstack.org/35369320:17
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance: Amend reference/PTI with supported distros  https://review.openstack.org/40294020:30
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mtreinishjroll: I hadn't thought about it tbh21:00
jrollmtreinish: oh, that's part of the process, AIUI: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html#identifying-goals21:01
jrollI guess it isn't clear from that if it's a hard requirement, but I believe it was21:01
mtreinishjroll: I can write something up for the ml. Although it's on EmilienM's etherpad o' goals which was on the ml21:02
jrollmtreinish: yeah, I think the idea is any we propose will end up being discussed on the mailing list, and then locked in by PTG time21:03
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