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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/governance: Adds winstackers extra ATCs list  https://review.openstack.org/35587211:47
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sdaguenikhil: any chance for hitting this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355960/ so glance logs aren't always full of stack traces14:19
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nikhilsdague: done. we'd be able to get that in today.14:20
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stevemarmriedem: "The great deproxification of novaclient"14:37
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stevemarmriedem: thank you for finally (starting the process of) removing crud that has been in novaclient since openstack was only the nova project14:38
stevemarit only took 6 years, woo14:38
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sdaguestevemar: keystone debug log issue14:40
stevemargdi14:40
stevemarsdague: details?14:41
dstaneksdague: i've heard that14:41
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sdagueapparently, on every token get, there is a debug log entry for every possible revoke?14:41
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sdaguehttp://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/a663b0a/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz#_2016-08-16_12_58_37_50614:42
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dstaneksdague: stevemar: yes. i think the success logging can be removed14:42
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sdaguewhich now makes keystone logs 58M14:42
sdaguegzipped14:42
sdaguewhich is at least 10 times the size of anything else in the system :)14:43
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mriedemoh awesome, our elk internally is indexing debug logs from the services....14:43
sdaguemriedem: good luck with that14:44
mriedemi also don't have control over the index config....14:44
dstaneki was thinking of just doing this  https://review.openstack.org/355989 to help14:45
ahalethere was a time openstack was only nova project ?14:45
dstanekbut that still makes debugging not ideal14:45
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stevemarsdague: okay, should be an easy fix14:50
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sdaguedstanek: it's actually L287 that's the issue I think14:50
stevemardstanek: did you want to remove the success log? i'll quick approve (i'm OTP booking travel)14:50
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sdagueI'm still downloading the keystone log, up to 315MB uncompressed... and going14:50
sdaguealso, realize, this isn't even a full dsvm run, cells blacklists a ton of tests14:51
dstanekstevemar: no, not yet14:51
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sdaguewe did define the different TRACE level for stuff like this14:52
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dstaneksdague: would it be better to move to that? would be an easy change14:52
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sdaguedstanek: don't know14:53
sdaguedo you really need all this?14:53
sdagueit seems like its basically 100% unusable in a real world14:53
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sdague468MB and counting ...14:54
openstackgerritStuart McLaren proposed openstack/governance: Update Glance mission statement  https://review.openstack.org/35405314:55
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dstaneksdague: it's really for debugging. without it it's nearly impossible to see what revocations are not being matched14:56
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dstaneki would maintain a local patch that turned this on/off when debugging before this got merged14:56
sdaguewell, my suggestion then is to put it behind a conf option14:57
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dstanekso not trace either?14:57
sdagueI don't know, I just know that until these all go away I can't debug anything about keystone14:57
sdaguebecause I can't access any of the logs14:58
sdaguebecause they are too giant14:58
sdague635M... and counting14:58
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sdagueit seems like if the concern is that revokes aren't right, there should be something that keeps track internally and dumps a periodic audit. Or a per request flag to get that request which you think should fail to dump it out.14:59
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sdaguehmm... after 660MB the connection reset, I don't know if it is recovering or not14:59
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dolphmsdague: can we undeprecate oslo.log's verbose option? because this would be the correct use case for it15:03
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sdaguedolphm: it really wouldn't be15:03
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sdagueverbose moved from warning -> info15:03
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dstanekso basicaly there really isn't a way for a developer to do debug logging to get details of a request15:07
dolphmsdague: yeah, i don't think the current implementation of verbose is particularly useful15:07
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sdaguedstanek: that's what I was saying, it seems like you want this for an individual request15:08
sdaguein which case it shouldn't be an always on thing15:08
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sdagueit should be something about the request which asks for detailed trace of *just that one request*15:08
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sdaguebecause, the way this is now, basically everyone is going to have to turn off all debug logging in keystone always.15:09
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lbragstadsdague I like the individual request idea15:16
lbragstadthat would be interesting15:16
lbragstadand helpful15:16
sdaguethere are 1.1 million lines of "revocation event does not match the project ID" in a 24 minute test run, just to be clear of the scope of how big a flood this is15:16
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sdague2427798 - number of DEBUG lines from keystone.models.revoke_model. Number of DEBUG lines from the rest of keystone - 2919115:18
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cdentsdague: wtf15:21
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sdagueit's a pretty recent phenomenon - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353742/15:22
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sdagueso, dstanek, to be clear ops have said repeatedly they are running at DEBUG level because INFO logging isn't sufficient for most to handle their issues15:23
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dstaneksdague: that's something that has to change for keystone because i think debug logging is insecure15:24
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sdaguedstanek: well, that's a whole other beast15:24
sdagueI'm telling you what people have expressed as their defaults15:25
sdagueok, I submitted the revert here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356010/15:25
dstaneksdague: is there anything that documents what is missing from info?15:25
sdaguedstanek: this is just what has been captured at every ops session on logging that I've attended (summit / ops meetup)15:25
sdagueI can go dig up old etherpads, but that's probably where it's written down15:26
dstaneksdague: i can see if i can dig it up. i'd like to just fix that15:26
sdaguedstanek: it's culture, you aren't going to fix it until people believe that in all services they have everything they need to run at INFO15:27
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sdaguethis was part of the logging standards initiative, make the logs useful enough at INFO that people don't feel they are screwed if they don't run at debug15:27
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sdaguebut, it's changing culture15:27
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dstaneksdague: yeah, users are users, but at least i'll be able to say keystone has everything it needs to run on info15:27
sdagueso it takes a really long time15:27
dstanekit's sorta terrible that things that shouldn't be in production logs are getting into them15:28
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sdaguedstanek: sure. But, as seen here, logging ends up being a complete fight all the time. Because you can't go back in time to get the info that you wanted later to debug the thing that went wrong.15:30
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sdagueanyway, it would be good if we could get the revert through quick15:31
stevemarsdague: +2/+A15:31
stevemarcc dolphm: ^15:31
stevemardolphm: youre gonna have to rework that patch a bit :)15:32
dolphmstevemar: ack15:32
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dolphmstevemar: sdague: i'm hoping to invest a bunch of time into logging during ocata fwiw15:33
sdaguedolphm: awesome15:33
sdaguedolphm: so, I think the use case you tripped here is actually another one around dynamic logging that I brought up before, but didn't have something so concrete on.15:34
dolphmsdague: dynamic logging?15:34
sdaguedolphm: ways that you can change the logging at runtime without service restart15:34
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lbragstadsdague is that what you meant when you mentioned logging specific things per request?15:35
sdaguewhich, for instance, with new oslo.config / oslo.log you can change the debug flag, sig hup, and it takes15:35
sdaguelbragstad: it would be a slightly different thing than that even15:35
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sdaguedolphm: so, what was the missed information you were trying to catch. Was it a known project / user should have been revoked, but didn't seem to be?15:36
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sdagueI'm also wondering if this patch was part of the odd glance auth failures that I was seeing, as keystone might is probably flat out writing log messages, and not have any children free to handle requests15:43
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openstackgerritJesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/governance: Move os_gnocchi & os_magnum roles into the OSA deliverable  https://review.openstack.org/35602315:46
dstaneksdague: just generally. why isn't this getting revoked? we are having a ton of cache issues that we are trying to fix15:46
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sdaguedstanek: ok, so in those cases, would the per request trigger give you what you need?15:51
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dstaneksdague: probably. i could also do something in unit/functional test setup to do this too15:52
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sdagueyeh, if it's only needed on the unit test side, it would be better to just build some tight testing there15:54
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sdagueso, it's not really possible to link to, because the logs take minutes to get to the point in question, but there is an instance of this in the logs for that failed run15:55
sdague2016-08-16 13:32:29.008 19573 WARNING keystone.common.wsgi [req-2a17fe49-e1f6-49f7-bb25-cbe03cd149ff 6d4b023b631a488e965bf0355f69fa22 c5b37637444143ff823ad3fecf7e0fdd - default default] Could not find token: 66aa3a09f0794708a7355b15f54c602715:55
sdagueand nothing that seems odd there otherwise15:55
sdaguethat's litterally the only instance of that string in the 1G of logs15:56
sdagueso I don't even know when that token was allocated15:56
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mriedemharlowja: i was going to request a privsep 1.12.0 release to get the logging fix in, there is a g-r update and a simple py35 change if you wanted to also lump those in with the release? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.privsep+status:open16:02
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SpamapSsdague: hey, I was surprised to see you say you think we could get full stack tests passing before unit tests. Are the unit tests really just super anti-python3 for some reason?16:38
sdagueSpamapS: because mox16:39
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sdaguewe have seen really weirdo races with mox under python 316:39
sdaguewhere mox doesn't do the thing it says it will do16:39
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sdaguewhich, shouldn't be too surprising. mox does lots of cleverness under the covers with function tracing, and was force ported to python3 by morazi16:40
sdaguesorry, by mordred16:40
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mordredyah16:51
mordredthat was originally just intended to be a quick stop-gap to get us off of mox16:51
mordredbut, we all know how long stop-gaps stick around16:52
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SpamapSsdague: oh, I wasn't aware of that. So, then the intention would be to port everything to mock eventually?17:02
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sdagueSpamapS: yes, we started making that a priority background churn task for mitaka when we discovered this17:31
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sdagueit's just... nova has 14023 unit tests17:32
sdagueand over 1000 of them still have mox17:32
sdagueso... takes time17:32
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SpamapSsdague: yeah, I can only imagine. What a weird meta problem to run into. :-P17:36
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sdagueright, well, complex systems, emergent behavior, and all that :)17:37
harlowjamriedem cool, will do17:37
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mriedemi did point out the 14K nova unit tests in the governance repo change for making py3 a priority17:40
mriedemi.e. "we have a ton of this stuff, so +1 on removing it, but not sure it's going tobe done in ocata"17:40
mriedemwhich gets into the whole 'priorities' part of that thread17:40
mriedemreviewing mox -> mock conversion patches is like pulling teeth17:41
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mriedemdo that several thousand times with <10 active cores17:41
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sdaguemriedem: was that in the base patch or the py35 one?17:43
mriedemlet me check17:43
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mriedemsdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/17:44
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mriedem"Speaking for Nova, as a goal I think is fine, and it's something we've been working toward for several releases, albeit a low priority item we generally hand off to newcomers.In reality, getting Nova completely moved over to py3 in Ocata is going to be stretch, given how much we're already skipping for tests:https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/tests-py3.txtNova currently has over 15000 unit/functional tests and we're averaging17:44
sdaguemriedem: yep, found it now17:44
sdagueright, so I think that aligns pretty much with what I put on the ML thread and in the base review17:44
mriedemi should have probably also reiterated that in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349068/17:45
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mriedemi don't think i can go back and read the ML thread anymore17:45
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sdagueheh, that's fine17:45
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mriedembut i basically agree with notmyname17:45
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mriedemsdague: oh i see you said the same thing in the thread this morning17:46
sdaguemriedem: yeh17:46
mriedem<bases covered/>17:46
sdagueand I didn't crib off your review comment17:47
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mriedemwell high five for that17:48
mriedemsoon we'll be completing each others...17:48
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openstackgerritBrian Rosmaita proposed openstack/governance: Update Glance 'api' location  https://review.openstack.org/35608918:26
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sdaguestevemar / dstanek / dolphm did keystone change anything around token expiration / storage recently?18:28
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dolphmsdague: how recently do you mean?18:29
stevemarsdague: nothing recent-ish18:29
sdagueso this fail cluster all involves glance swing around with a token for keystone, and keystone saying "meh, no idea what you are talking about"18:30
sdaguehttp://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/1d2248f/logs/screen-g-api.txt.gz?level=TRACE18:30
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dstaneksdague: that 404 is because keystone doesn't think the token is valid18:31
dstanek?18:31
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sdaguedstanek: http://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/1d2248f/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz#_2016-08-16_17_11_03_70618:32
sdagueso, I don't know18:33
sdagueit just says could not find token18:33
sdaguethat's the timestamp that lines up with the fail18:33
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dstaneksdague: so the first question i have is was it revoked? did this fail when we had that overly verbose logging on?18:39
sdaguedstanek: yes, it failed there as well, same thing18:39
sdagueif you want to dig through that 1G file linked earlier, a similar message is in there18:40
dstaneksdague: let me see if i can find something there18:40
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sdagueit was this class of fail that tripped me over the giant log file problem18:40
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sdaguedstanek: here are the 954 lines from the keystone logs with the same request id - http://paste.openstack.org/show/558512/18:43
sdagueoh, pastebin trucated....18:44
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sdaguehttp://pastebin.com/FX1QNiBJ18:45
sdaguethat one has the full list of log entries18:45
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bknudsony, we can't have a debug log for each revocation event!18:46
sdaguethe token not found is on line 418:47
sdaguethe 3 items in the request before it don't seem relevant18:47
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dstaneksdague: is this only a gate issue or can you reproduce locally?18:52
sdaguedstanek: I have not tried to locally reproduce18:52
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sdagueevery gate fail I have seen today, is this18:52
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sdaguenikhil: can you pop over to #openstack-qa, there are all these glance test failures, and it's all pretty confusing19:01
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bknudsondstanek: http://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/1d2248f/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz#_2016-08-16_17_11_03_706 looks like it's using uuid tokens.19:04
bknudsonoh, maybe dsvm is using uuid still.19:04
dstanekhmmm19:05
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sdaguedstanek: I think that keystone token loss is unrelated to the overall fails19:09
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance: Appoint Dean Troyer as replacement for Morgan  https://review.openstack.org/35463320:08
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance: describe a process for managing community-wide goals  https://review.openstack.org/34906820:37
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance: add ocata goal "remove copies of incubated Oslo code"  https://review.openstack.org/34907020:56
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notmynamettx: you'll be at openstack east next week?21:07
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ttxnotmyname: I will, yes.21:09
ttxall week21:09
notmynamettx: great. I will be there too (all week, for the ops meetup). looking forward to seeing you21:10
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ttxI don't have commitments other than talking to various people, so it should definitely be possible21:10
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notmynamesame here. I'm going to talk to people face to face :-)21:12
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openstackgerritEran Rom proposed openstack/governance: Storlets to become official - Proposed governance change  https://review.openstack.org/35369321:54
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/governance: Revises technical debt wording and fix typos in goals document  https://review.openstack.org/35615623:05
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