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| openstackgerrit | Chaoyi Huang proposed openstack/governance: Add project Tricircle to OpenStack big-tent https://review.openstack.org/338796 | 01:37 |
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| jojden | hi | 06:20 |
| jojden | anybody have idea about how can we use policy.json in the project | 06:20 |
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| jojden | I am creating new REST API using pecan framework. So I nneed to use policy.json of keystone | 06:22 |
| jojden | how to do that | 06:22 |
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| ttx | Thanks dims! | 07:17 |
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| DaiDV | Hi. | 12:51 |
| DaiDV | Can anyone give me some advices for fix failure like this: http://78.46.57.153:8081/refs-changes-89-331389-10/? | 12:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victor Ryzhenkin proposed openstack/governance: Add fuel-pluign-murano-tests repo to fuel-plugin-murano project https://review.openstack.org/339552 | 13:25 |
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| dmsimard | dhellmann: I have a question regarding libraries and clients releases (and their requirements pin), hopefully you're the right person -- if not feel free to redirect :) | 13:29 |
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| dmsimard | In the land of RDO, we package master branches and test projects, clients and libs against each other's master branches, essentially | 13:30 |
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| dmsimard | This has burned us a couple of times because non backwards compatible changes are introduced in master branches and are untested in devstack since devstack is pinned to the latest release | 13:31 |
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| dmsimard | I realize we /could/ only package the latest release of the libraries instead of building/packaging every commit but it brought to our attention that we don't really know how things are tested upstream before a lib or a client release is cut | 13:33 |
| dmsimard | dtroyer: ^ re: recent osc issues discovered on puppet CI | 13:34 |
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| dtroyer | if every commit is treated as a release, we're broken. but if you're going to do that, at least use decent version numbers | 13:35 |
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| dmsimard | dtroyer: I'm not saying every commit is treated as a release, I'm saying it highlights the fact that the master branch of clients and libraries aren't tested in devstack and I wondered what was the process for testing them before cutting a release | 13:37 |
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| dtroyer | they actually are tested in devstack, but not all together, one at a time | 13:37 |
| dtroyer | and of course, the quality of that testing varies with every library | 13:38 |
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| dmsimard | dtroyer: Okay, I want to understand how it's done. So, say, you're ready to cut a release for python-osc. How do you test that release before drafting it ? | 13:39 |
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| dmsimard | The context being we are looking at our options and see if/how we can align with upstream | 13:39 |
| dtroyer | the tests in osc itself, there are a number of them, like every project, but not exhaustive | 13:39 |
| dmsimard | dtroyer: okay -- and then I guess devstack is tested against that release when there is a bump in the global reqs ? | 13:40 |
| dtroyer | you seem to be learning the same lessons OpenStack CI learned a while back regarding trying to test all master | 13:40 |
| dmsimard | It's alright, I learn new things every day | 13:41 |
| dtroyer | I'm not sure what you are asking above… every commit runs our tests, like every project. we test against a range of configurations, but not even close to all, like every project (should) | 13:42 |
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| dtroyer | so since everything only tests representative combinations of config, os, etc lower layers catch things that upper layers don't. that is what you are seeing by testing things that upstream doesn't | 13:43 |
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| dtroyer | defense in depth appears to be working | 13:43 |
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| dmsimard | dtroyer: okay, and are you interested in having that test coverage ? Or is it not meant to be done in the first place because things are only meant to work across releases ? | 13:45 |
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| dtroyer | for things that really shouldn't (IMHO) be used in a CD fashion, releases are the thing. libs, clients (maybe?). others disagree and think it should all be CD-able. we don't test that though | 13:47 |
| dtroyer | we == OpenStack | 13:47 |
| dmsimard | Yeah I guess some operators (rax?) deploy straight from trunk right ? | 13:48 |
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| dmsimard | They like to tout that in summit talks :) | 13:48 |
| dmsimard | I wonder if they use releases for libs/clients. | 13:49 |
| jroll | dmsimard: rackspace generally uses releases from pip for deps in requirements.txt, but occassionally use master+patches instead | 13:50 |
| dmsimard | jroll: ty | 13:50 |
| jroll | np | 13:50 |
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| dtroyer | jroll: thanks, that's what I thought. I understand that to be the case for all CD operators, services are/may be CD, libs, other bits not | 14:00 |
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| jroll | dtroyer: yeah, ideally we'd just pip install git://git.o.o/nova | 14:00 |
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| dmsimard | dtroyer: should continuous delivery of every master branches be an ambitious goal/target that OpenStack wants to achieve ? | 14:09 |
| dmsimard | actually, by knowing first hand how hard it is, I don't think | 14:10 |
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| dtroyer | dmsimard: where we are is the conclusion after years of back-and-forth by people smarter than me. I don't know if it is right, for any value of 'right', but it is the compromise we have that allows CD for services and covers most of the actual deployment cases | 14:12 |
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| dtroyer | I think what causes all-master to drop in priority is nobody is actually deploying that, only developing some subset of it | 14:13 |
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| cdent | jroll: I'd be interested to join those ironic api 2 discussions. | 14:20 |
| jroll | cdent: <3 | 14:20 |
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| jroll | ttx: if you're around today, mind a review on an irc meeting? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339211/ | 14:44 |
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| ttx | on it | 14:48 |
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| jroll | ty | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | dmsimard|afk, dtroyer : we expect folks to be able to deploy apps from master but libs from releases | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | dmsimard|afk, dtroyer : we *used* to test master of libs, but that led to situations where apps relied on unreleased features in those libs, so we switched to testing changes to the libs from master but testing changes to the apps by looking at released versions of the libs (see the LIBS_FROM_GIT feature of devstack) | 14:56 |
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| dhellmann | dmsimard|afk, dtroyer : another thing requiring releases buys us is the ability to control instability in the integration tests, because if a new release breaks something we can immediately block it instead of having to land a patch to revert a change to the lib | 14:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack/governance: WIP: Clarify what an active (core) reviewer is https://review.openstack.org/337853 | 15:13 |
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| dmsimard | dhellmann: ack, thanks | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/governance: Assert Designate follows deprecation policy https://review.openstack.org/339757 | 18:04 |
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| ccneill | any OS devs have experience overriding / removing oslo.config's default "config-dir" and "config-file" options? specifically removing "config-dir" if it's not a concept we want to support (i.e. loading multiple configs at one time) | 19:49 |
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