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| notmorgan | sdague: so, i am not sure I have had any real thoughts on how to solve the upgrade issue that you highlighted last week. | 18:01 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: unless we're ok with a 2-step process, a separate tool to install the "system" config things that aren't part of pip | 18:02 |
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| sdague | notmorgan: we've never been ok with that before | 18:02 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: i think we've unfortunately wedged ourselves into a corner with that stance :( | 18:03 |
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| sdague | so, the #1 complaint by operators since the day I came into the project is that OpenStack is too hard to upgrade | 18:04 |
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| sdague | we took these stands about new code works with old config for a reason, because all other vaguely mature software works that way | 18:04 |
| notmorgan | sdague: and with exception of configuring things like sudoers. | 18:05 |
| sdague | no, not with that except | 18:05 |
| sdague | we've never had that exception | 18:05 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: i'm 100% with you. it's when it comes down to configuring things pip should NEVER touch | 18:05 |
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| sdague | notmorgan: sure, and I'm ok if we've said that python code is not allowed to touch config, it just makes things more immutable on the config side and that things need to work with defaults | 18:06 |
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| sdague | it also means we really need to work hard at getting these config, but kind of code things, back into code | 18:07 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: i think that is a far better direction to drive. We still have the transition/immediate issue to fix | 18:07 |
| sdague | I thought there was a sane default for privsep to get us past that, right? | 18:07 |
| notmorgan | sdague: and i def. want to find a good way to handle that "right now" problem. | 18:07 |
| notmorgan | sdague: is there? I need to look again. | 18:07 |
| sdague | basically, paste / policy / rootwrap are why upgrades are hard | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | sdague: i thought so, but based on our last convo and threads i thought i was wrong. | 18:08 |
| sdague | I thought gus had a path forward, but then I went camping, so who knows :) | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | sdague: yes. policy, rootwrap, paste are hard. | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | sdague: ooh, i want to bug gus then and find out :) | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | sdague: so for rootwrap i think it's super hard, cause you can't point to a different location for sudoers (sanely) | 18:10 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: for paste, we should totally be driving back to code -- paste IMHO isn't really "config" the way we use it. | 18:11 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: and policy... this can be basically the same as config, write it in code and allow for anything on disk to be overrides. we already ship a default policy, might as well make that default encoded in the project with the same workflow to "render it to a file" | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | like we do for sample configs. | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | if you want to override it. | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | sdague: paste is the one I have the hardest time unwinding us from in my head | 18:13 |
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| sdague | notmorgan: way ahead of you on the policy front, nova will run with an empty policy file by end of cycle :) | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | sdague: yay! | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | sdague: that is fantastic news. | 18:14 |
| sdague | paste honestly wouldn't be that bad, I have thought about it, you add a couple of application specific config options to still let people inject local middleware | 18:15 |
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| sdague | but most of what's in that config file is not going to be changed by people, and could just be a data structure in code | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | sdague: i was thinking a simple hook point that just creates the object with __call__ like paste basically does | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | sdague: and just pass the request through that pipeline | 18:15 |
| sdague | you'd still be using paste, but you'd eliminate the upgrade issues | 18:16 |
| sdague | which would let you change out that bit later if you cared | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | sdague: could we actually hook into paste itself and not need a config file like today? | 18:16 |
| sdague | notmorgan: yeh, it's all just loaded | 18:16 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: ok cool. i think that isn't too bad. | 18:16 |
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| notmorgan | just add a nice config option that adds in middlewares (preceeding) the app. do we need "post" app as well? | 18:17 |
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| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/3e63f704021076d3d4994a949fcb371705ea0f80/nova/wsgi.py#L465-L500 | 18:17 |
| sdague | every project has something like that | 18:18 |
| notmorgan | sdague: oh nice. yeah i've seen that code | 18:18 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: ok i might spin something for keystone as a POC then drop in an x-project-spec + TC resolution on this front for direction. | 18:18 |
| sdague | but, the loadapp I think lets you do a direct datastructure | 18:18 |
| sdague | config: is actually a url | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | sdague: yeah i'll try it out. | 18:19 |
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| notmorgan | if we can ditch the paste.ini files and required policy.json we're 90% of the way there. | 18:20 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: cool, let me try this out and i'll update the two threads - I'll look to poke at gus re privsep stuff. | 18:20 |
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| notmorgan | then we can start moving forward :) thnx! | 18:20 |
| sdague | yeh there is a call loader - http://paste.openstack.org/show/520974/ | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | sdague: nice. | 18:20 |
| sdague | it will take some effort to massage it into the right format | 18:21 |
| sdague | but... it could be a thing :) | 18:21 |
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| sdague | notmorgan: for reference - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290155/ is the nova-spec | 18:22 |
| sdague | on policy | 18:22 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: thnx! | 18:23 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: you mentioned last week that the oslo config generator config can live in code/in repo instead of as a data file | 21:39 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: do you have an example of that I can copy from? | 21:39 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : I don't, but you'd just move the file inside the code tree (like into nova/ or tempest/) and then point the config generator to that file instead of to its current location | 21:44 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : we could make it a little smarter and teach it to look for a data file with a given name inside a python package, to skip having to do filenames like /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/nova/whatever.ini | 21:45 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: I kinda like that idea, have a default path to look for it | 21:46 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : well, we'd use pkgutil to query for the data file instead of using paths at all, but yeah | 21:46 |
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| dhellmann | https://pymotw.com/3/pkgutil/ | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | more specifically https://pymotw.com/3/pkgutil/#package-data | 21:47 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: oh, yeah that looks like exactly what would be needed | 21:48 |
| * mtreinish has never played with that module before | 21:48 | |
| dhellmann | we'd need it to take 2 args, the name of the package and the base name of the data file | 21:49 |
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| dhellmann | we might end up having to copy the data to a temporary file in order to have oslo.config parse it, which is sort of janky, but it's possible there's a lower level API we could use to avoid that | 21:49 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : some notes on implementation: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-config-generator-package-data | 22:16 |
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| dritec | Hello guys. They can help me a question? I developed a plugin to the horizon, but I'm having trouble integrating the translation. I followed the integration of documentation horizon and django translation standards, but without success. does anyone have any experience to share with me? | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: oh, cool thanks | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: oh, having it parse a stream object works well too. Especially for my use case: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332495/ | 22:20 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : most of the bits are there, just papered over or otherwise hard to get to | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah, I didn't see an easy/straightforward way to do it when I skimmed the generator code | 22:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I tried to identify some of the places that would have to change in those notes, in case you wanted to try adding it | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: heh, well if I find a spare cycle or 2 I'll give it a shot | 22:23 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : sounds good, and I've made a note, too, in case I find time myself | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | amrith: is anyone ever gonna finish: https://review.openstack.org/302472 (there shouldn't be too much left to do there) | 23:47 |
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