Monday, 2016-04-18

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greghaynesmorgan: O_o01:21
greghaynesThat's... Unfortunate01:21
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morgangreghaynes: yeah. :(01:22
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morgangreghaynes: known issue with this laptop. Guess I'll have to wait for my x1c01:22
greghaynesI can confirm that the x1c works pretty well with tumbleweed :001:23
greghaynesEr, :(01:23
greghaynes:), GAH, emoticons on phone are fail01:23
morganHah.01:23
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morgangreghaynes: do you run tumbleweed with gnome or cinnamon?01:33
greghaynesmorgan: I use i3wm01:33
morganAh01:34
greghaynesI think I have it install xfce as default01:34
morganI might take a gander at your setup at the summit if you're not opposed.01:34
morgan(And you're there)01:34
greghaynesyea, its pretty straightforward, just i3wm, suckless-tools, dmenu01:34
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greghaynesand defaults01:34
greghaynesbut yep, i'll be there01:35
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coreycbdegorenko, that's correct, murano is at 2.0.0 which maps to the latest upstream release11:54
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annegentlehey sdague questions re: openstackdocstheme when you get a moment13:10
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sdaguesure13:11
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agentlewebsdague: sorry, network changed13:28
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agentlewebsdague: so you have two fixes: allow CSS from extensions, and then allow more JS https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298677/ -- what else needs to happen? TOC work is one I believe.13:31
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sdagueagentleweb: that's all I pushed so far13:50
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agentlewebsdague: ok, I'd like to log bugs for the remaining issues13:52
agentlewebsdague: put a new bullet in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-site-in-rst feel free to add there13:53
sdagueagentleweb: honestly, I gave up entirely on going any further with it13:53
sdaguethe way the theme is integrated is so very different from oslo.sphinx, I'm not even sure how to reconcile13:53
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agentlewebsdague: ok, I'll add it to the Summit discussion on docs tools.13:56
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agentlewebsdague: honestly my ask would be for web development/ design for the whole developer.openstack site...13:56
sdagueagentleweb: sure13:56
agentlewebsdague: it's not navigable now, not very useful13:56
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sdagueI think part of the challenge is though that the openstack manuals theme was done without understanding the sphinx implications13:57
agentlewebsdague: yeah that's the issue -- what I'm trying to capture13:57
agentlewebsdague: but I don't understand how to redo or reverse those effects?13:57
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sdagueagentleweb: it needs someone to own that space14:00
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agentlewebsdague: we need that overall for all docs14:01
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agentlewebsdague: what's your idea?14:01
sdagueagentleweb: honestly, that's all my ideas. Someone needs to own that theme and redo it as sphinx compatible. Otherwise it can't be used for anything that has sphinx extensions14:02
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sdagueI don't know who that someone would be14:02
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agentlewebsdague: just to be sure I understand, your js and css patches aren't enough then.14:02
sdagueagentleweb: I don't know if they are enough14:03
agentlewebsdague: how would some one learn enough to understand sphinx compatible?14:03
agentlewebsdague: or test?14:03
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sdaguetry to make it all work14:03
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sdagueI proposed fixes for the problems I found up until I realized that this was potentially a never ending pit of changes14:03
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sdaguethen stopped14:03
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sdaguethe dueling jquery versions issue is a real issue14:04
agentlewebsdague: ok14:04
sdagueand comes from the fact that openstack docs theme isn't a sphinx theme14:04
sdagueit's a random collection of html / js14:04
agentlewebsdague: okay that's useful14:04
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ameadedtroyer: near trivial devstack patch that's been hanging out awhile. thanks! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300585/14:05
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sdaguethe moment you enable the "scripts" feature of sphinx, you get a version of jquery embedded in sphinx core14:05
agentlewebsdague: so the task would be: keep working on changes to get api ref working, fix issues as they come up? Or is it: Sphinx-ify the theme?14:05
sdagueagentleweb: well, it depends on what the end game is14:05
agentlewebsdague: heh right14:05
agentlewebsdague: for me, it's dev docs14:06
agentlewebsdague: not sure it matters to others14:06
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sdaguethen you need sphinx compatible theme14:06
agentlewebsdague: as in, it's "good enough" as-is14:06
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sdagueit should act like oslo.sphinx I think14:06
agentlewebsdague: or we totally revamp developer.openstack14:06
agentlewebsdague: due to the differing requirements anyway14:06
sdagueand just be an ext include14:06
agentlewebsdague: ok this is helpful14:06
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agentlewebsdague: thanks14:08
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openstackgerritEmilien Macchi proposed openstack/governance: Update release tags for some Puppet OpenStack modules  https://review.openstack.org/29738214:25
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EmilienMcoreycb, jamespage: I found an error in our CI jobs lately: http://logs.openstack.org/33/303933/1/gate/gate-puppet-neutron-puppet-beaker-rspec-ubuntu-trusty/c701f37/console.html.gz#_2016-04-15_20_13_05_85014:47
EmilienMshould I just recheck?14:47
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kamal2Hello.. I'm trying to understand what framework is used to implement OpenStack APIs. Any documentation pointers?14:55
coreycbEmilienM, is that  just an install of neutron-sriov-agent from mitaka?  or is there more to it to recreate?14:55
EmilienMcoreycb: mitaka14:56
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jrollkamal2: it depends on the project, I'd recommend looking at code mostly14:56
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kamal2jroll: i'm particularly interested about Neutron APIs. Isn't there a single API framework that is used across projects?14:57
coreycbEmilienM, are you doing an upgrade or anything other than just apt-get install?14:57
EmilienMcoreycb: let me check14:57
jrollkamal2: no, some projects use flask, some use pecan, etc14:58
* jroll looks at neutron14:58
EmilienMcoreycb: just fresh install https://github.com/openstack/puppet-neutron/blob/stable/mitaka/spec/acceptance/basic_neutron_spec.rb#L7514:58
EmilienMcoreycb: I ran recheck to see if it happens again14:58
jrollkamal2: looks like neutron specifically uses webob https://github.com/openstack/neutron/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=webob14:58
jrollkamal2: I believe nova does as well14:58
coreycbEmilienM, ok.  a general install seems to work for me, but let me bang on it a little.14:59
kamal2jroll: thanks .. I am doing a new project and was wondering how to start with the API implementation.14:59
jrollkamal2: I see. some options worth looking at are webob, pecan (but not with wsme, wsme is dead), falcon, flask15:01
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kamal2jroll: ok I will take a look. Aware about any discussion on which framework the community is converging on?15:04
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jrollkamal2: there was some discussion here but I don't think we ended up choosing a winner http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088658.html15:04
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p1l3tcan someone send me a link on how to write a vendor plugin for cinder?15:05
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kamal2jroll: looks like that discussion didn't much further.. whats your opinion about using flask?15:07
jrollkamal2: I like flask, personally15:08
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cdentjroll, kamal2: I've made commitments to flask, despite not liking it, because it has all the signs of having a long life15:09
jroll++15:10
cdentsigmavirus24: shall we set a time, but not now, to have a small confab called "we need to talk about httplib2"?15:10
smcginnisp1l3t: Hey, here's a good starting point: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder#How_To_Contribute_A_Driver15:11
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kamal2cdent: thanks for the feedback15:13
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cdentkamal2: my own personal preference is to avoid the frameworks and just use WSGI directly, except for uri dispatching, for which I use selector15:15
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cdentbut I acknowledge that doing so is problematic in a complex many-contributors environment15:15
cdentso something that is generic, well-documented, popular (like flask) gets big points15:15
sigmavirus24cdent: definitely. Our best bet for me not forgetting it and being able to make it this week will be between the hours of 9 and 5 CDT though15:17
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cdentsigmavirus24: I'm flexible15:17
sigmavirus24(GMT-5 that is)15:18
* cdent nods15:18
sigmavirus24cdent: yeah, any time this week. I can probably do earlier15:18
sigmavirus24(maybe 7 or 8 - 5)15:18
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cdentI'm not really super smart in the morning anyway, so your midday-ish is very palatable to me15:19
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coreycbEmilienM, I wonder if the mitaka cloud archive isn't enabled when the install of neutron-sriov-agent is installed15:19
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EmilienMcoreycb: oh it is, let me show15:19
coreycbEmilienM, ok no need to show, just trying to think of what could cause it15:20
EmilienMcoreycb: let me double check, you might be right15:20
EmilienMcoreycb: you are right I think :è)15:21
EmilienMcoreycb: I found in logs the UCA repo were installed after15:21
EmilienMcoreycb: and this is happening since our bump to "updates" repo, I think I think why... sorry for noise15:21
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cdentsigmavirus24: pretty much any time after 1pm your time is open for me this week. earlier than that there are various meetings to negotiate around. Friday is wide open all day.15:22
coreycbEmilienM, ok, cool. hopefully that's all it is.15:23
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sigmavirus24cdent: I just have one ~30 min meeting on Friday. Shall we schedule for Friday then?15:23
EmilienMcoreycb: we also re-enabled some components that were disabled only on ubuntu testing, and all is fine15:23
EmilienMcoreycb: like sahara15:23
cdentsigmavirus24: sure, you pick15:23
sigmavirus2410 CDT sound good?15:24
coreycbEmilienM, that's good15:24
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cdentsigmavirus24: yup, that will work just fine15:24
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stevemarsdague: oh noes, no more keystoneauth session15:27
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stevemarsdague: i would be happy to transform one of keystone's working group sessions to a ksc->ksa session15:28
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sdaguestevemar: I think that moving it to a bootstrapping session is going to help more people15:30
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stevemarsdague: fair enough15:30
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morgansdague: ++16:57
morgansdague: i think it's the best of the outcomes based on schedule-y thing.16:57
morgans16:57
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openstackgerritMike Perez proposed openstack/governance: Grant Cross-Project Spec Team Voting in Specs  https://review.openstack.org/30624417:11
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sdaguestevemar / morgan do either of you have an opinion on this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1567694 ?17:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1567694 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova's neutron client auth_uri uses admin" [Undecided,New]17:28
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sdaguewe've got quite a few bugs which are basically about the keystone auth registered bits in the nova.conf, that are failing for folks17:28
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morgansdague:  looking17:32
morgansdague: i am sure i have an opinion17:32
morgan;)17:32
morgansdague: so, v3 doesn't care if it's admin or public17:33
morgansdague: the routes are the same.17:33
morgansdague: it should be 100% safe to use either endpoint in all cases (unless someone breaks keystone)17:33
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morgansdague: if someone is breaking keystone, i will have other words for them ... and it starts with "Defcore" (or similar)17:33
morgani will comment on the bug17:34
stevemarsdague: yeah, shouldn't matter if it's public or admin port17:34
morgansdague: commented.17:35
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sdagueok, thanks17:36
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morganhappy to help.17:37
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dmsimardjamespage: o/ Will you be attending http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092505.html ?20:06
jamespagedmsimard, oh yes indeed20:07
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dmsimardGreat. Folks from RDO and zigo will be there as well.20:08
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zigodmsimard: There's lots of stuff in "Issues with current system" which are non-issues, and for which the release team is doing completely useless work.20:12
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zigodmsimard: For example, checking that all projects have up-to-date dependencies.20:12
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zigodmsimard: When it's for 3rd party libs, that's important, for but for oslo, the clients and all, that's IMO useless, as we (distro) will anyway package the latest from the global-reqs ...20:13
zigoNot sure if I should reply that to the thread or what ...20:13
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dmsimardThat thread is weird to me, I think there are more deployments that are using packaging from RDO, UCA, Debian and SUSE than people may realize. I understand upstream wanting to try and make it more convenient to install from source and maintain dependencies. I guess this is the whole point of discussing it. The status quo might not be ideal idea either, got to see in which direction it is best to go20:15
dmsimardin.20:15
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anteayaI think dhellmann is interested in gathering data on that20:36
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anteayaso if you have information or data on how many deployments are using which packages that would be helpful information20:37
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anteayaadding that to the etherpad would be great as it would help others prepare for the session20:37
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dmsimardanteaya: aye, we'll participate20:39
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ihrachysdhellmann: I don't know exactly how, but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296701/ works fine without origin/ prefix20:42
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dhellmannihrachys : are you running it locally?20:42
ihrachysyes. but it checks out repos with zuul into tmp itself20:42
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dhellmannis zuul-cloner using your cache?20:43
anteayadmsimard: wonderful, thank you20:44
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ihrachysdhellmann: which cache exactly? it creates a new temp dir for every call.20:45
dhellmannihrachys : the reason I have it using zuul-cloner is that you can tell zuul-cloner to use a local repo as a cache and then update it from the remote repo20:45
dhellmannit doesn't sound like you're doing that, though20:45
ihrachysthose checkouts are short lived (removed after tool exits)20:45
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dhellmannyeah20:45
dhellmannI'm not sure why it's working, I'll have to play with it20:45
ihrachysdhellmann: no, I don't know I can cache for zuul, so probably I don't :)20:46
dhellmannyeah, you would have had to set an environment variable for that to work :-)20:46
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ihrachysdhellmann: thanks for looking at it. I am ok to change if you think it's needed, I just felt it's worth telling you that it actually works as-is.20:52
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dhellmannihrachys : given that this is a release tool, I would be more comfortable being pedantic20:53
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dimslifeless : dhellmann/ttx and i were reviewing tarballs and saw that setup.cfg and pbr.json was not always the same everytime. logged a PR in setuptools (https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/pull/553) and a review in pbr (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307405/) if you can take a peek21:52
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dimslifeless : want to get to a point where we can run md5sum and get consistent results21:53
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clarkbdims: ordereddcit is new in py27, officially we don't support py26 but I think lifeless wanted to keep py26 for pbr?21:54
clarkbdims: in any case +2 from me but lifeless may objcet on those grounds21:54
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dimsclarkb : thanks, i can catch ImportError(s) if needed21:55
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anteayaagentleweb: great background singer in your video bit22:04
anteayaagentleweb: what bird is that?22:04
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lifelessdims: clarkb: yes, 2.6 support for pbr is a thing, because the rest of the world hasn't deep-sixed 2.6 yet, and pbr well, it has users.22:06
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agentlewebanteaya: I think it's a very chirpy cardinal :)22:07
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anteayait is lovely22:07
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anteayaagentleweb: such a lovely studio you have22:08
anteayagreat acoustics22:08
lifelessdims: reviewed both - tl;dr needs tests and 2.6 support for pbr.22:08
agentlewebanteaya: aw, thanks. backyard in a canyon (sorta, limestone creekbed I guess)22:08
anteayaagentleweb: ah, sounds beautiful22:08
anteayaand sounds beautiful22:08
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dimslifeless : ack. just wanted to see if you are ok with the approach. will fix both in a bit23:07
dimslifeless thanks!23:07
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