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| openstackgerrit | Mike Perez proposed openstack/governance: Add leaderless programs amendment for inactivity https://review.openstack.org/295581 | 00:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Perez proposed openstack/governance: Add leaderless programs amendment for inactivity https://review.openstack.org/295581 | 00:26 |
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| thingee | anteaya: this captures that particular case of the TC removing a program due to being inactive and leaderless https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295581 | 00:27 |
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| anteaya | it wasn't removeed for being leaderless | 00:28 |
| anteaya | it remained leaderless because it was inactive | 00:28 |
| anteaya | I don't know as we need a list of retired projects | 00:29 |
| anteaya | we have the projects listed in governance and those not listed in governance | 00:30 |
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| anteaya | what purpose might a list called retired projects serve? | 00:30 |
| anteaya | and the original resolution gives the tc the ability to make many choices | 00:31 |
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| anteaya | the choices just _include_ the choice to appoint a ptl, by mutual agreement | 00:31 |
| anteaya | I'm not sure what problem your resolution is solving | 00:31 |
| anteaya | thingee: can you help me understand? | 00:32 |
| thingee | anteaya: the list of retired projects was agreed to back in 2015 september by the tc. | 00:33 |
| thingee | anteaya: this is just capturing that. | 00:33 |
| anteaya | really? | 00:33 |
| anteaya | I have to go read the logs | 00:33 |
| thingee | anteaya: yes the linked irc archive has the discussion | 00:33 |
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| thingee | anteaya: I'm bringing this up to you because you pinged me last week about the TC removing programs. | 00:34 |
| thingee | anteaya: and currently the resolution docs don't mention the TC doing this. | 00:34 |
| thingee | anteaya: so my amendment to capture that | 00:34 |
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| anteaya | the current resolution just says they may appoint ptls | 00:36 |
| anteaya | I left it open ended on purpose | 00:36 |
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| anteaya | to give them lots of flexibity so they can address what the feel is appropriate | 00:36 |
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| anteaya | I'll read the link, thanks | 00:37 |
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| thingee | anteaya: sounds good. if people don't want this documented, that's fine with me. | 00:38 |
| anteaya | ah okay yeah retired-teams.yaml to deal with the atc status of a project changing status | 00:38 |
| thingee | anteaya: heading to dinner. have a nice evening! | 00:38 |
| anteaya | thingee: thanks, now I am understanding | 00:38 |
| anteaya | enjoy dinner, I'll keep reading | 00:39 |
| anteaya | yeah the concern here was people who had contributed to the project and their atc status | 00:39 |
| anteaya | as it wasn't fair to those contributing to lose the ability to vote or attend summit if their project which had been under tc oversight got moved out | 00:40 |
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| anteaya | oh my ping wasn't about the tc removing programs | 00:42 |
| anteaya | my ping was about the use of the word "will" in the newsletter, as the tc can appoint ptls but don't have to | 00:42 |
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| anteaya | thingee: you are correct, dhellmann did say in the logs of that tc meeting that he was going to offer a patch to create some sort of file to capture either the name of the project or the names of contributors for the purposes of keeping an accurate list of ATC members yet I don't see that patch in dhellmann's history of patches to the governance repo: | 00:49 |
| anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/governance+owner:%22Doug+Hellmann+%253Cdoug%2540doughellmann.com%253E%22 | 00:49 |
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| anteaya | so I do wonder what happened to the patch he had agreed to compose | 00:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Add Designate & Zaqar roles to OpenStack-Ansible Project https://review.openstack.org/292335 | 10:21 |
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| jroll | cdent: wdyt about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238008/ | 13:19 |
| * cdent looks | 13:19 | |
| jroll | cdent: I wonder if the api guidelines should have a "headers we're trying to standardize on" doc | 13:19 |
| cdent | ah hmmm | 13:20 |
| cdent | thta's a weird interpretation | 13:20 |
| cdent | will leave some comments | 13:20 |
| jroll | thanks | 13:20 |
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| hemna | gus, ping | 16:18 |
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| dims_ | mriedem : i pulled oslo.messaging from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292633/ stable follows policy. can you please throw in your vote when you get a chance | 16:40 |
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| thingee | sigmavirus24, johnthetubaguy: do we want to discuss this in today's cross project meeting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/2 or wait? | 18:31 |
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| thingee | I guess maybe wait to give time for people to look over things. | 18:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: actually I just chatted about that, I think we should probably wait a week on that one | 18:42 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: sounds good! | 18:42 |
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| thingee | kencjohnston: so we'll be canceling this time. you can find the proposal we'll review next time though here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295940/ | 18:49 |
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| thingee | kencjohnston: so essentially this spec can be a list of the best practices if people agree to that proposal. We already have docs in the repo that are best practices, so I don't think this should be that big of deal. | 18:50 |
| thingee | kencjohnston: but we need someone to write the best practices. | 18:51 |
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| kencjohnston | thingee OK, thanks, I'll review the change and I am still working to adjust the Rolling Upgrades XPspec | 19:34 |
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| cdent | mordred: this is the feature [t fU2] | 20:00 |
| purplerbot | <FND> go nidclick or something [2016-03-21 16:37:32] [n fU2] | 20:00 |
| cdent | and | 20:00 |
| cdent | p!spy | 20:00 |
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| cdent | This [t l8A] has a really ominous sound to it: | 20:08 |
| purplerbot | <openstackgerrit> Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add a DatabasePoisonFixture https://review.openstack.org/296023 [2016-03-22 19:44:30] [n l8A] | 20:08 |
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| mordred | hahaha | 20:11 |
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| mordred | cdent: ya - I think we were more talking about systemically how to think about and deal with bots - rather than focusing on any particular bot or feature (purpler looks like a fine bot in general) | 20:11 |
| mordred | although we'd be left with 2 bots that do channel logging as a secondary feature to their primary feature | 20:11 |
| mordred | (the bot we currently use for channel logging is also the bot that manages meetings) | 20:12 |
| cdent | logging is boring :) | 20:12 |
| mordred | yup. HOWEVER - we do have logs going back to day 1 of the project, which I've used before to figure out what the heck we were thinking back then | 20:12 |
| mordred | in any case, those are just engineering things to figure out | 20:12 |
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| mordred | what's more interesting/important is to figure out how to keep people empowered to do things like your bot, but care and feed for them over time and make sure we find places to design solid bot interactions when there is overlap | 20:13 |
| mordred | it's a potentially fun topic :) | 20:13 |
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| cdent | yeah, I showed up just now to simply keep tabs | 20:14 |
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| cdent | if/when we can make it easier for bots to be infra-hosted, then I'm happy to participate in that and help make it go | 20:14 |
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| mordred | ++ awesome | 20:17 |
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| anteaya | yes as mordred my motivation was to have a high level discussion, and your email thread about your bot was the reference I could share to justify the topic, cdent | 20:21 |
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| anteaya | as mordred says | 20:22 |
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| cdent | anteaya: yup, all clear | 20:23 |
| anteaya | thanks | 20:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Add testing requirement to assert:supports-upgrade tag https://review.openstack.org/292918 | 20:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Add threat analysis for vulnerability:managed https://review.openstack.org/294212 | 20:45 |
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| gus | hemna: pong | 20:58 |
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| hemna | :) hey | 20:58 |
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| hemna | I tested the msgpack patch and it seemed to have fixed the issue I was seeing with FC attaches | 20:59 |
| gus | \o/ | 20:59 |
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| gus | I could have sworn that patch was already merged into privsep many months ago :/ | 21:00 |
| hemna | doh :( | 21:00 |
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| gus | I'm kind of surprised we got this far only supporting ascii strings. | 21:00 |
| hemna | sonus, any chance we can get it merged and released? | 21:00 |
| hemna | bah | 21:00 |
| hemna | so... | 21:00 |
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| gus | yes, I just need to find reviewers and all the usual things. | 21:01 |
| hemna | ok coolio | 21:01 |
| gus | hemna: again, thanks for all your testing on this. | 21:01 |
| hemna | no probelmo. thank you so much for helping | 21:02 |
| hemna | I'd like to see nova and cinder using it soon | 21:02 |
| hemna | so we have lots of time to iron anything else out | 21:02 |
| hemna | and maybe we can talk about what to do next in Austin | 21:02 |
| gus | sounds good. | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/governance: Add stable:follows-policy for keystone projects https://review.openstack.org/296075 | 21:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/governance: Update some tags for the Trove project https://review.openstack.org/295733 | 21:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/governance: add `release:has-stable-branches` tag for keystoneauth https://review.openstack.org/296078 | 21:39 |
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