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| anteaya | jamielennox: I think sigmavirus24_awa posted to the mailing list that he has to take some time off | 01:09 |
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| jamielennox | anteaya: ah, ok - will come up with something else - thanks | 01:09 |
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| anteaya | for some reason I can find the original but here is a reply to the post: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080884.html | 01:12 |
| anteaya | jamielennox: ^^ | 01:12 |
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| lifeless | how would folk feel if opentack-specs pushes commented here ? | 01:44 |
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| Qiming | lifeless, +1 | 01:55 |
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| shaohe_feng | mikal: hi. can you have a lookt at this spec again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248472/ | 03:02 |
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| mriedem | DinaBelova: are you core on ceilometer? if so, can you abandon this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135630/ | 03:10 |
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| mriedem | dougwig: hey, this should be abandoned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174232/ | 03:12 |
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| mikal | shaohe_feng: heh, I was already looking at it. So yes! | 03:26 |
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| circ-user-fRg5X | help | 09:56 |
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| circ-user-fRg5X | help | 09:57 |
| circ-user-fRg5X | sorry, I don't need to help. | 09:57 |
| kashyap | Ah, stable branch maint seems to be spun up into its own project | 09:57 |
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| andreykurilin | dhellmann: hi! I need your opinion about situation accross requirements :) | 12:05 |
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| andreykurilin | dhellmann: Rally as a part of requirements process, should have voting job `check-requirements`. Currently, keystoneclient and several other rally requirements dropped py26 support. Rally team wants to release new version(today) with py26 support(last release), but we cannot do it since "broken" requirements. | 12:07 |
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| andreykurilin | dhellmann: one solution is temporary turn off check-requirements job, cut new release and turn on job, but such solution is not correct due to policy of requirements process. | 12:08 |
| andreykurilin | dhellmann: I suppose such situation can relate not only to rally project. | 12:08 |
| andreykurilin | dhellmann: any ideas, thoughts? | 12:09 |
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| andreykurilin | lifeless: hi! | 12:15 |
| andreykurilin | lifeless: can you help me with some suggestions? :) | 12:15 |
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| sigmavirus24 | anteaya: jamielennox I can take a look | 15:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm just not going to be core on things for a while | 15:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks though :) | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | sigmavirus24: oh okay, glad you are still about | 17:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | anteaya: I tried to sneak out but dolphm keeps pulling me back in | 17:08 |
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| anteaya | well see that is the thing | 17:10 |
| anteaya | and why folks can burn out | 17:10 |
| anteaya | because we care | 17:10 |
| anteaya | and we want to help | 17:10 |
| anteaya | the problem is that unless we take care of ourselves and our close people in our lives first | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I wasn't burnt out, I was just feeling guilty that I couldn't commit the time that I had committed to committing when I became a core | 17:11 |
| anteaya | we don't replentish our own energy | 17:11 |
| anteaya | oh okay | 17:11 |
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| anteaya | glad to have your help as long as you can balance it | 17:11 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I'm hoping to get more time at work soon to get back to the community but that's not going to happen until 2016 probably | 17:14 |
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| lifeless | andreykurilin: suggestions for what? | 17:43 |
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| anteaya | sigmavirus24: may it come to pass | 17:56 |
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| anteaya | lifeless: russellb jogo johnthetubaguy you are all listed as core on gantt, this patch removes py26 jobs on python-ganttclient, I just need a +1 on if from one of you, first one wins, thank you: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252294/1 | 18:05 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: I don't think we actually need their +1 | 18:05 |
| clarkb | anteaya: we are removing py26 support whether they like it or not :) | 18:05 |
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| clarkb | then if certain projects decide they still need it for some reason the suggestion has bene they figure out how to install py26 on our existing test slaves and have a less generic job do that for them | 18:07 |
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| anteaya | I have been asking and receiving an acknowledgement from at least one core reviewer per project | 18:08 |
| clarkb | thats fine I just want to point out that I do not consider us beholden to their answers | 18:08 |
| clarkb | eg if someone says -1 it will be ignored | 18:08 |
| lifeless | I've not been involved in gantt for ~ a year | 18:08 |
| anteaya | sure, that is fine and if noone responds to my request then we can go ahead | 18:08 |
| lifeless | clarkb: do we have a solution yet forpbr ? | 18:08 |
| clarkb | lifeless: no thats on pbr? | 18:08 |
| clarkb | I have zero interest in making such a job | 18:08 |
| anteaya | lifeless: that's fine | 18:08 |
| clarkb | py26 needs to diaf | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: okay great, but at least they have been given a chance to have their say | 18:09 |
| clarkb | and don't have time to figure out how to actually run py26 on not centos6 | 18:09 |
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| clarkb | if someone else figures that out great | 18:11 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: so fungi and i have been talking about using deadsnakes for it | 18:15 |
| clarkb | that is an awesome name | 18:15 |
| lifeless | clarkb: the issue is that until 2.6 really isn't being *used* by e.g. cern, pbr breaks on 2.6 will be damned annoying to work around | 18:15 |
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| clarkb | sure I think the idea is noble | 18:16 |
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| fungi | "talking" as in, if you want to write a job which pulls an unofficial python 2.6 package on a distro we're supporting, go nuts | 18:16 |
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| clarkb | and won't prevent people from doing it | 18:16 |
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| fungi | however, i don't want to block our removal of centos 6.x on someone writing that | 18:16 |
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| lifeless | fungi: ok thats fine, it hasn't been clear to me where the onus was | 18:17 |
| russellb | anteaya: clarkb gantt itself can be removed :) | 18:17 |
| fungi | as it is, we already have a ripple effect going on where some library dev teams have given up on 2.6 support early and now other consuming libraries are forced to remove 2.6 testing somewhat ahead of schedule | 18:18 |
| anteaya | russellb: ha ha ha, okay point | 18:18 |
| lifeless | fungi: yup | 18:18 |
| anteaya | russellb: can you muster a +1 for the patch, or should I just go ahead and merge it | 18:18 |
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| anteaya | russellb: trying to be courteous | 18:18 |
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| fungi | so at the moment, we're sort of at a rip-off-the-band-aid point where it's going to be easier to tear out 2.6 testing in parallel with the juno eol work (and so i need to get back to catching up on e-mail to make sure i'm not missing anything important related to that before i go pull the trigger) | 18:19 |
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| russellb | anteaya: appreciate it, no need to wait on gantt | 18:22 |
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| anteaya | russellb: okay thanks | 18:23 |
| * anteaya moves on | 18:23 | |
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| lifeless | fungi: how many days do I have to get a pbr job together? | 18:24 |
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| lifeless | I'll send an email to -ops to get data too | 18:24 |
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| fungi | lifeless: in theory we can keep running python 2.6 jobs for specific projects on centos 6 the way we do now until such time as we remove centos 6 workers from our ci. i don't know an exact timeline there because we still have at least one infra service relying on centos 6 as well | 18:28 |
| fungi | (our asterisk deployment on pbx.openstack.org, the puppet module for it only works for centos 6 afaik) | 18:29 |
| lifeless | fungi: ok, so I'll gather some more data to assess the risk, and aim to be able to answer before christmas | 18:29 |
| lifeless | fungi: until then keep pbr as-is ok? | 18:29 |
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| fungi | lifeless: hopefully. as i'm hopefully conveying, i'm not entirely on top of this. i went on vacation with no internet for more than a week and am now scrambling to catch back up on juno eol situation and some of the related events are moving forward with or without my input | 18:31 |
| fungi | so there may be some fixing required to put back some of whatever gets hastily ripped out | 18:32 |
| lifeless | mriedem: btw - responding to your review on requirements; you should read my backwards compat spec | 18:32 |
| mriedem | lifeless: oh right that thing, link again? | 18:32 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: | 18:34 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 18:34 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: ^ the requirements docs change is basically going to be stalled on this spec | 18:34 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: which is going to frame the expectations (and testing!) we aim for in oslo.messaging etc | 18:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: clarkb: appreciate you reaching out, but agreed with clarkb on dropping py26, I should probably kill the gantt repo really, its basically dead | 19:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | (its just reserving the name really) | 19:09 |
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| mriedem | lifeless: ok, reviewed | 19:12 |
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| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: thank you | 19:22 |
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| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: your call on the status of gantt do you want to make the repo(s) read only and remove the zuul jobs? | 19:23 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: the readme says it is a dead project but if we make it read only we can remove the zuul jobs, which was what this patch was about | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: so I guess i need to know if you want that analysis in the spec itself, or if you were just asking for me to walk through that case for clarity | 19:56 |
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| mriedem | lifeless: i think a use case walk through in the spec itself would be helpful | 20:05 |
| mriedem | because i get lost in the prose | 20:05 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: even just in the summary? | 20:06 |
| lifeless | mriedem: like - the use case is really easy: that situation can't happen, move along happily ? | 20:06 |
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| lifeless | [not being facetious!] | 20:07 |
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| mriedem | let me read your updates, i've been away | 20:07 |
| lifeless | mriedem: k | 20:08 |
| mriedem | i see that harlowja is a fan of real life :) | 20:08 |
| harlowja | mriedem life | 20:08 |
| harlowja | real | 20:08 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:08 |
| lifeless | life, for reals | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | for reals | 20:09 |
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| mriedem | lifeless: "So - o.m would not have been able to pass CI with the test matrix this proposes" | 20:10 |
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| mriedem | i replied, but this wasn't an install issue, and i don't think we actually have tests for this, | 20:10 |
| mriedem | else it would have been caught on master before o.m 2.6.0 was releaesd | 20:10 |
| lifeless | mriedem: thts the point of this spec | 20:10 |
| mriedem | so the constraints testing is only as good as the test coverage, which is never going to be perfect | 20:10 |
| lifeless | mriedem: to add the tests | 20:10 |
| lifeless | mriedem: running dvsm of liberty with master oslo.m would have caught it, right ? | 20:11 |
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| mriedem | no | 20:11 |
| mriedem | b/c that's what was passing anyway | 20:11 |
| lifeless | huh, no | 20:11 |
| mriedem | i think upper-constraints on liberty actually included o.m > 2.6.0 | 20:11 |
| mriedem | let me find it | 20:11 |
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| lifeless | yes, but the commit to o.m were not gating on liberty | 20:11 |
| lifeless | there was a job, but it was bust | 20:12 |
| mriedem | even still | 20:12 |
| lifeless | and not testing what it was meant to | 20:12 |
| lifeless | so lets rewing | 20:12 |
| dims | y, me and sdague fixed that a week or so ago | 20:12 |
| lifeless | how did we find the problem ? | 20:12 |
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| dims | lifeless : staring at logs when we broke something on tuesday morning | 20:12 |
| mriedem | adam_g: reported it b/c his project that uses neutron and relies on those notifications was busted in liberty | 20:12 |
| lifeless | AIUI the problem is om. 2.6 was incompat with liberty, and this shows up when you run liberty - e.g. dsvm will show it | 20:12 |
| mriedem | it was not an install issue | 20:13 |
| mriedem | it was a functional issue depending on how you're using neutron | 20:13 |
| lifeless | mriedem: I don't understand why you keep saying install issue | 20:13 |
| lifeless | mriedem: I am talking about functional tests like dsvm | 20:13 |
| lifeless | mriedem: I have not once claimed that this was an install issue | 20:13 |
| mriedem | ok, so there are no functional tests for this that i'm aware of | 20:14 |
| mriedem | at least not tempest+dsvm | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: so is your question about the spec paraphrasable as "what if we don't have enough coverage, what then?" ? | 20:14 |
| mriedem | possibly neutron functional, maybe, but then doesn't that mean o.m has to test liberty neutron functional tests? (not the same as dsvm+tempest+neutron+liberty) | 20:14 |
| adam_g | AFAICS nothing else really relies on those notifications, i would have thought ceilometer did but i guess not | 20:14 |
| mriedem | lifeless: i think i know the answer to that, | 20:15 |
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| mriedem | we add tests, or we workaround/fix the thing like we had to in this case | 20:15 |
| mriedem | post-breaking change release | 20:15 |
| lifeless | mriedem: I think its fair to say we should describe the basic tools we have to deal. | 20:15 |
| lifeless | I'll add a section. | 20:15 |
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| mriedem | yeah, i just know that tempest+dsvm is good but also limited | 20:16 |
| mriedem | limited to the tests and the actual job configs that are use | 20:16 |
| mriedem | *used | 20:16 |
| lifeless | o.m 2.6 had the break right? | 20:16 |
| mriedem | making things can install together is definitely a big part in fixing the gate diarrhea we have on stable/juno | 20:16 |
| mriedem | yeah | 20:16 |
| lifeless | mriedem: the co-install thing is like 10% of the spec; I am confused by why you keep bringing the focus to it :) | 20:17 |
| mriedem | adam_g: i forget the name of the project that was busted, the new company you work for :) | 20:17 |
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| mriedem | lifeless: i'm saying i like that part, and think it will help a lot with the stable branch dep issues | 20:18 |
| lifeless | ok cool | 20:18 |
| mriedem | i think functional backward compat test coverage is much harder | 20:18 |
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| mriedem | just thought of something, | 20:19 |
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| mriedem | if the clients commit to backwards compat, tempest-lib could just use those rather than it's own rest wrapper layer, right? (complete devil's advocate) | 20:20 |
| lifeless | I believe tempest-lib's concerns around that are that tempest-lib acts as a backwards compat check itself | 20:20 |
| lifeless | but mtreinish or sdague would be better advocates | 20:20 |
| mriedem | on the actual server rest APIs yeah | 20:20 |
| mriedem | i was just thinking, | 20:21 |
| sdague | mriedem: the clients hide to much stuff | 20:21 |
| sdague | tempest having it's own simple rest clients is a design point | 20:21 |
| mriedem | dsvm+tempest uses tempest-lib to hit the rest api to make sure it's backwards compat, the actual backwards compat bits we'd care about are then between the projects, like nova liberty talking to master cinderclient | 20:21 |
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| mriedem | if tempest-lib was using backwards compat clients, then we'd also have coverage there, | 20:22 |
| mriedem | but yeah, i'm just thinking out loud | 20:22 |
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| sdague | mriedem: right, but tempest-lib is backwards compatible clients already | 20:22 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah, i know | 20:22 |
| mriedem | but lifeless' spec isn't caring about tempest-lib | 20:22 |
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| mriedem | it cares about backward compat in the clients, and i'm thinking you could have improved coverage if tempest-lib (the thing driving the tests) was using those also | 20:23 |
| mriedem | it's not going to happen | 20:23 |
| lifeless | mriedem: ok I've added a section that I think covers your concerns | 20:23 |
| lifeless | mriedem: refresh :) | 20:23 |
| mriedem | but i was just thinking about it | 20:23 |
| mriedem | also b/c i watched dtroyer's summit talk in osc last night so this is all fresh in my head | 20:23 |
| mriedem | *on | 20:24 |
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| mriedem | lifeless: ok, one wording question, otherwise i think i'm happy | 20:27 |
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| mriedem | i was also going to ask how something like dropping py26 support in the oslo libs and clients is handled, | 20:28 |
| mriedem | it doesn't really matter for stable/juno since those are capped right now | 20:28 |
| lifeless | oh, I meant end of lifing would be preferred | 20:28 |
| lifeless | mriedem: same way, we treat it as a deprecation | 20:28 |
| lifeless | mriedem: stage 1, deprecate and warn, stage 2, noone is needing it anymore, drop in master | 20:29 |
| lifeless | for us that means we drop all the 2.6 jobs on all releases simultaneously | 20:29 |
| mriedem | 2 in this case being juno-eol | 20:29 |
| lifeless | yah | 20:29 |
| mriedem | the oslo.messaging alias thing being liberty-eol | 20:29 |
| mriedem | yup | 20:29 |
| mriedem | i'm on board with that | 20:30 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: updated | 20:31 |
| mriedem | +1 | 20:31 |
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| lifeless | dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ refreshed again, since I had your +2, would love it again :) | 21:16 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: I've got a reno question, I'm looking at the output http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/subunit2sql/unreleased.html#id2 and the new feature note there was merged after 1.0.2 (it was included in 1.1.0) | 21:16 |
| mtreinish | I'm wondering if I did something wrong, because it worked as I was expecting for the other notes | 21:17 |
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| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/subunit2sql/log/ | 21:23 |
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| bknudson | I wonder how reno handles merge commits | 21:24 |
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| mtreinish | bknudson: I was thinking the merge commit might have caused an issue. But, when I did a 'git log 1.0.2..' it shows the right thing (both the commit and its merge commit) | 21:26 |
| bknudson | I'm looking at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/reno/tree/reno/scanner.py#n106 -- looks like it does git log | 21:27 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: ah, that's probably it. The merge commit is throwing it off | 21:30 |
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| mtreinish | bknudson: looking at the command it runs: http://paste.openstack.org/show/480683/ | 21:30 |
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| mtreinish | but the merge commit was after | 21:31 |
| mtreinish | my git fu is not nearly strong enough to figure out how to correct that in a 1 liner | 21:31 |
| bknudson | it would be interesting to know how you can get that from git. | 21:32 |
| mtreinish | my solution would be to loop over the tags and get the logs | 21:32 |
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| mtreinish | bknudson: like: http://paste.openstack.org/show/480686/ | 21:33 |
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| mtreinish | that does the right thing | 21:33 |
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| mtreinish | I wouldn't be surprised if there's a way to do the right thing with a single command though | 21:33 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann, bknudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/reno/+bug/1522153 | 21:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522153 in reno "Merge commits confuse the version detection" [Undecided,New] | 21:44 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : ack, I'll take a look at that tomorrow | 22:07 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : irrc, we had the same issue with pbr changelogs | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: cool, thanks | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah I expect this to become a more common thing for projects that use reno with tags, since merge commits are pretty common | 22:09 |
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| dhellmann | yep | 22:10 |
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