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| dhellmann | thingee: np, it exposed a gap in our testing so I'm working on closing that -- see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205240/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205245/ | 01:09 |
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| chen12 | hello, anyone can help ?? When I run ./stack.sh for devstack, I get error : from oslo.utils import importutils | 05:20 |
| chen12 | ImportError: No module named utils ==> http://paste.openstack.org/show/404978/ | 05:20 |
| chen12 | This is my localrc => http://paste.openstack.org/show/404979/ , I have add oslo.utils in LIBS_FROM_GIT | 05:21 |
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| Qiming | chen12, from oslo_utils import importutils ? | 05:30 |
| chen12 | Qiming, Y | 05:30 |
| chen12 | Qiming, File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/glance_store/driver.py", line 22, in <module> | 05:31 |
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| chen12 | Qiming, that's the message shows | 05:31 |
| Qiming | version too old, that line should be "from oslo_utils import importutils" | 05:32 |
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| chen12 | Qiming, but I'm pretty sure my glance is new | 05:34 |
| chen12 | Qiming, git log -1 => Date: Thu Jul 23 08:30:49 2015 +0000 | 05:34 |
| Qiming | sudo pip list | grep glance-store | 05:35 |
| chen12 | Qiming, glance-store (0.3.0) | 05:35 |
| Qiming | sudo pip install glance-store==0.4.0 | 05:35 |
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| chen12 | Qiming, let me try it, need a min.. | 05:36 |
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| chen12 | Qiming, any idea why glance-store not upgrade automate when run stack.sh ? | 05:38 |
| Qiming | ch12, no idea | 05:39 |
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| chen12 | Qiming, it works! Thanks vey much! | 06:02 |
| Qiming | ch12, np | 06:02 |
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| gcmacmalloc | Can someone else infirm or confirm taht the openstack client with the csv output and listing keystone user cannot cope well with unicode ? | 14:36 |
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| jdandrea | Proposed change to devstack. Teensy adjustment for deploying heat in standalone (fixes deferred auth method): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205564/ | 14:50 |
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| gcmacmalloc | stevebaker, bit of delay I have a custom ldap backend with around 10k users in it | 14:57 |
| gcmacmalloc | working fine without the --format csv | 14:58 |
| gcmacmalloc | then with the csv | 14:58 |
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| stevemar | mriedem: is there a patch i can review for nova's adoption of oslo.policy? if you happen to know off the top of your head | 14:58 |
| stevemar | gcmacmalloc: oh so it's just with --format csv? | 14:59 |
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| mriedem | stevemar: i'm not aware, i'd ask dims | 14:59 |
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| dims | mriedem: stevemar: there's one and we've blocked it per mailing list discussion | 15:00 |
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| stevemar | mriedem: alrighty, dims ^ | 15:00 |
| stevemar | ah | 15:00 |
| gcmacmalloc | stevemar, yeps but that's what the puppet modules are using pretty much all the time | 15:01 |
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| stevemar | gcmacmalloc: sounds like a bug with cliff (which OSC depends on) | 15:05 |
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| stevemar | gcmacmalloc: can you file a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cliff/+bug/ | 15:05 |
| gcmacmalloc | I could also fix the issue as I am blocked by this | 15:06 |
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| stevemar | gcmacmalloc: that works too! | 15:10 |
| gcmacmalloc | stevebaker, https://github.com/dhellmann/cliff/blob/1a08a2401013b45bb7f51104a9affba9ffbeece8/cliff/formatters/commaseparated.py yep, its the default python csv writer | 15:10 |
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| gcmacmalloc | not really unicode aware :p | 15:10 |
| stevemar | gcmacmalloc: we would still need to track the issue anyway, so a bug is always appreciated | 15:11 |
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| gcmacmalloc | stevebaker, kk will do | 15:11 |
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| stevemar | gcmacmalloc: stevemar not stevebaker :P | 15:11 |
| stevemar | poor stevebaker - getting so many pings | 15:11 |
| gcmacmalloc | stevemar, sorry ... | 15:11 |
| stevemar | :) | 15:11 |
| gcmacmalloc | cwap I meant the other one | 15:11 |
| gcmacmalloc | so bug then patch is the workflow ? | 15:11 |
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| gcmacmalloc | stevemar, for the history https://github.com/dhellmann/cliff/pull/10 | 15:22 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc, stevemar : that fix looks straightforward enough. We'll have to add unicodecsv to the list of global requirements first, though, so it'll take a couple of patches | 15:27 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, any idea on the timeframe ? | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: if you submit it I can +2 it, and if we line up the change to cliff with a depends-on we might get it into the release next week | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: if not, the week after should be doable | 15:30 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, thanks a lot for the attention | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: you're going to do all the hard work :-) | 15:31 |
| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, so I guess thanks for giving me ways to fix the issue ^^ | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: sure thing, and let me know if you need a hand getting the requirements patch put together | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: ping me here or in #openstack-sdks when you have patches ready for review | 15:32 |
| gcmacmalloc | kk | 15:32 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, actually this is already a bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180587/ | 15:38 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: ok, I thought the change you were proposing making fixed something with the way the csv writer dealt with building strings for its output or something | 15:46 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: do you have a pastebin with the command you're running and the error you're seeing | 15:47 |
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| gcmacmalloc | yep | 15:48 |
| gcmacmalloc | let me just anonymize stuff ^^ | 15:48 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: sure | 15:48 |
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| gcmacmalloc | http://sprunge.us/NZAC | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: try adding the --debug flag between "openstack" and "user" | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | that should give you a traceback | 15:52 |
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| gcmacmalloc | http://sprunge.us/Rcee | 15:57 |
| gcmacmalloc | yep, csv writer ^^ | 15:57 |
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| gcmacmalloc | gonna try my patch on cliff | 16:00 |
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| gcmacmalloc | le totally working patch :) | 16:01 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, is the project supporting python 3.2 ? | 16:06 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205605/ | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: we only test on 3.4, so I don't think we support 3.2 | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: in order to add something to the requirements for cliff, it also needs to be included in the openstack/requirements repo. There are 2 files to edit, global-requirements.txt should have at least a lower bound version number and upper-constraints.txt should have the most recent working version. | 16:10 |
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| gcmacmalloc | okkkkk | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: if you submit that patch, then in the message for 205605 you can have "Depends-On: $changeid" where $changeid is the value from the new patch. That will prevent the cliff patch from merging until the requirements patch has merged. | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: we do that so we can build controlled test environments (otherwise, with all of those dependencies we end up with way too many conflicts) | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: I know this is a bit of a hassle, and I can do some of this for you, but then we have to find someone else to review the patch, so things may go more quickly if I walk you through the updates and then review the patches for you | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | stevemar: ^^ | 16:13 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, yeah same thing with the proposed patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180587/ | 16:27 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, wouhouuuu ! should be okish now | 16:32 |
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| thingee | johnthetubaguy: this seems like a bit of a mess. I think people are far more concerned with this being a bp/bug than solving the problem. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84048/48 | 16:33 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: Reading through, there is confusion on what is the actual bug now. | 16:34 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: do you have the actual bug number that people should be looking at? | 16:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: I don't have a bug number for that right now | 16:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: the concern was around the API addition | 16:35 |
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| thingee | johnthetubaguy: ok, the people involved according to the comments are not sure what the bug number is. It would be good if you could direct us to what you want. | 16:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: the spec discussion was focusing on adding an API, I think there was a chance it could be fixed without the API, so folks wanted more focus on that direction | 16:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: I think its best to reach out to those with comments on the spec, jaypipes had most of the comments there, from memory | 16:38 |
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| thingee | johnthetubaguy: that's my point, people in the comments are unsure and asking | 16:39 |
| thingee | jaypipes: ^ | 16:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: personally I want to see the problem resolved, if we have a solution up for review somewhere, I can do the process things to get the attention that needs | 16:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: sorry, I am confused, whats the question? whats the process or what is the solution? | 16:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: oh, I see you question now | 16:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: we don't have a bug | 16:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: we are just saying, they should raise a bug for this, rather than a blueprint, if its not an API change | 16:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: do they have a patch up for this, do you know? | 16:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: sorry, I am just not understanding the question or the context right now | 16:42 |
| thingee | simple question, do you have the bug number. It sounds like no. | 16:43 |
| jaypipes | hey, just catching up here what's up? | 16:43 |
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| thingee | because we're unaware of a patch | 16:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: I don't have the patch or the bug number | 16:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: we were saying they should create a bug to replace the spec, I don't know if that happened or what the bug number is | 16:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: the important thing is we fix the problem, agreed with that | 16:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: the feedback from the spec review was just this shouldn't have the API | 16:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: sorry, got the wrong end of the stick, but no I don't know what bug has been created for that | 16:45 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: ok, if we can avoid long conversation on process and what this should be classified as is, that would make me really happy. I just don't want us to come with a patch later to discover we need a bp. | 16:45 |
| thingee | afterall | 16:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: agreed | 16:46 |
| thingee | :) | 16:46 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: I follow up later. I think Scott who has been doing a bit of work is not around at the moment. | 16:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: cool, thanks | 16:47 |
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| thingee | johnthetubaguy: aha https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1449221 | 16:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1449221 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova doesn't allow to cleanup volumes stuck in 'attaching' or 'detaching' status" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Andrea Rosa (andrea-rosa-m) | 16:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1449221 in nova "Nova doesn't allow to cleanup volumes stuck in 'attaching' or 'detaching' status" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:47 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1449221 in nova "Nova doesn't allow to cleanup volumes stuck in 'attaching' or 'detaching' status" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1449221 | 16:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: the main feedback is, please don't add an extra API for this | 16:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: cool, thanks for finding that, I did some triage on that, so it gets more attention | 16:48 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:50 |
| scottda | So, I'm not sure that the proposed fixes in that bug will ever work. | 16:50 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: so this is going to be a bit difficult. It's not easy for us to let Nova blindly call force-detach. it still requires a human understanding what they're about to do | 16:50 |
| scottda | If an admin were to call force_detach when he knew the volume wasn't in use or in the middle of an attach, detach, it could work.... | 16:51 |
| scottda | but to call in the middle of the normal detach path (i.e. after a retry) will likely never be safe. | 16:51 |
| thingee | jaypipes: ^ | 16:52 |
| scottda | I understand that there is not support for a new API. | 16:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess nova knows if its half way through an attempted detach | 16:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but, it doesn't know what other folks are doing | 16:52 |
| scottda | Right. And with multi-attach, the waters are even muddier | 16:52 |
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| thingee | johnthetubaguy: imagine if the volume was just being attached as read only to another instance, and has other attachments elsewhere. if we auto terminate all those connections, that would be unexpected. | 16:53 |
| thingee | scottda: are we not able to identify just that single attach/detach? | 16:53 |
| jaypipes | thingee, scottda, johnthetubaguy: yeah, as I mentioned on the spec review about the force detach thing, I'm not supportive of a hack like this in the API... | 16:53 |
| thingee | scottda: like attach id | 16:53 |
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| scottda | thingee: I think that could work. I'd like to know what hemna thinks. | 16:54 |
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| thingee | jaypipes: It's not a hack. nova volume-detach --force ... that's manual human intervention to which then cinder can ask the backend to the state it wants the volume in. Today it's a hack of the admin updating the volume to an available state via mysql update. | 16:54 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: how does nova know if its half (or any other piece) of the way through an attempted detach? doesn't cinder know that information? | 16:55 |
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| thingee | jaypipes: human errors ensue with the volume having active connections in those cases. | 16:55 |
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| jaypipes | thingee: if someone attempts to detach a volume, why can't all the active connections just be closed? | 16:56 |
| thingee | jaypipes: cinder does not keep track of active connections. | 16:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: oh, maybe, I was thinking we tracked that in BDM, but now you say that, you are right, I think thats just cinder state | 16:56 |
| scottda | jaypipes: We are hoping to land multi-attach in nova, so we could have a connection we wish to terminate to one instance, but one we wish to keep to another instance. | 16:57 |
| thingee | jaypipes: well first one is multi-attach. You might just want to detach a single connection | 16:57 |
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| jaypipes | thingee: perhaps this is something that os-brick should take care of ... i.e. if a user has requested to detach a volume, then just detach it after closing any open connections. of course, the multi-attach/shareable flag thing would get in the way, here, but for non-shareable volumes, I guess I don't see the problem. | 16:57 |
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| thingee | alright hang on a sec. scottda if nova was to auto-detach after failure, can we just reference to cinder the attach id? | 16:58 |
| thingee | scottda: to avoid terminating all connections? | 16:58 |
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| jaypipes | I guess I don't see any reason why nova-compute (and the volume drivers in nova/os-brick) cannot just violently close any active connections to that volume... even in the case of multi-attach. the only thing that would be weird with multi-attach is if the volume was attached **from multiple VMs but on the same compute host** | 16:59 |
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| thingee | jaypipes: imagine if you have to instance doing readonly and one read/write. Now you have to go back and reattach those and remember which instances, etc. | 17:00 |
| thingee | jaypipes: it's not a great experience | 17:00 |
| scottda | jaypipes: Yes, but I think that case (multi-attached to different instances on the same host) is problematic. | 17:00 |
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| thingee | to=two | 17:00 |
| scottda | thingee: and I think that case ^^^ is why we cannot selectively terminate_connection. | 17:00 |
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| thingee | ok selectively terminate connection is not possible, got it | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | again,, the only case where I see this being a real problem is multi-attach to two instances on the same compute host. | 17:01 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, so I can ammend to a commit and git review again and this will change the commit right ? | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | should each instance not have its own connection? I guess thats dumb if its read only | 17:01 |
| thingee | jaypipes: yes, and that's why we're raising this is not good idea. | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | thingee: :) | 17:01 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: that's how block storage works. you have one writer. | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | thingee: agreed there is only one writer | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | thingee: yes, understood, but I'm saying I don't want to change the public Nova REST API for this corner case. I would prefer to handle it entirely internally in nova-compute. | 17:02 |
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| thingee | jaypipes: what's the problem with --force? if something is stuck, you should make the judgement call if you want to clear things out. | 17:02 |
| thingee | jaypipes: it's also not a corner case. it happens very often. This is the #1 ops feedback I get in the midcycle and separate feedback sessions | 17:03 |
| scottda | Well, one problem is that regular detach/attach calls cinder asynchronously and assumes success. IF we ensured that the call to cinder succeeded before setting final state in Nova, we might not get into this mess (as often) | 17:03 |
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| scottda | jaypipes: Yeah, we've a large public cloud deployment and I have cinder/nova state mis-match (i.e. stuck in detaching/attaching) that prevents use of the volume on a near weekly basis. | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | thingee: no, I mean the multi-attach on same host is the corner case :) | 17:04 |
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| scottda | jaypipes: ahhh | 17:05 |
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| jaypipes | thingee, scottda, johnthetubaguy: any chance we can do a hangout to discuss this higher bandwidth? | 17:05 |
| dhellmann | gcmacmalloc: yep | 17:05 |
| thingee | jaypipes: I think we're assuming it's a corner case now because it has taken us almost three releases to get nova to support it. ;) | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | thingee: touche. :) | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I think thats a good plan | 17:05 |
| scottda | jaypipes: Yes, hangout is a good idea. | 17:05 |
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| jaypipes | k, lemme set one up. | 17:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I can't today, as I am about to jump on a shuttle to the airport | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but you don't need mea | 17:06 |
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| scottda | jaypipes: Yes, I'm leaving town soon myself. | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I agree its a problem that needs fixing | 17:06 |
| scottda | can we do it early next week? | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gttdig54drujhet6nehqbxaqfua?hl=en | 17:06 |
| scottda | That'd give us time to include others as well. | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | scottda: that sounds like a good plan | 17:06 |
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| scottda | I'm out until tuesday. Does Tuesday AM work and include the most time zones? | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | scottda, johnthetubaguy, thingee: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gttdig54drujhet6nehqbxaqfua?hl=en | 17:08 |
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| gcmacmalloc | dhellmann, thanks for the help, will be back tomorrow as I don't have a bouncer currently | 17:12 |
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| dhellmann | dimsum__: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205492/ I'm a little concerned that the new allowed range does not intersect with the old allowed range. Are there any compatibility issues we need to worry about? | 17:31 |
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| scottda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 17:32 |
| dhellmann | dimsum__: it might be safer to do it in 2 steps (remove the cap and update the constraint, then set the new minimum when we know all of the unit tests for consuming projects work) | 17:32 |
| dimsum__ | dhellmann: good point, let me do that. | 17:32 |
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| scottda | attach flow for cinder: http://j-griffith.blogspot.com/2015/07/volume-attach-code-flow-in-cinder.html | 17:32 |
| dhellmann | dimsum__: ok, cool. I'll leave a comment on the patch as a reminder to myself for my next review | 17:32 |
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| dimsum__ | dhellmann: ++, i'll update in a sec | 17:33 |
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| dimsum__ | dhellmann: done | 17:36 |
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| thingee | jaypipes, scottda: nevermind this was about volume delete, not detach https://github.com/snemetz/openstack-scripts/blob/master/cinder-volume-delete.txt | 17:42 |
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| thingee | jaypipes, scottda, johnthetubaguy thanks again for all your time to discuss this. Happy that we have a direction we want to go. | 17:56 |
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| jaypipes | thingee: no worries. appreciate your time as well! | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | does devstack write a clouds.yaml? | 19:45 |
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| amuller | mdorman: ping about godaddy use cases outlined in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Network_Segmentation_Usecases | 20:00 |
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| mdorman | yeah, what’s up? | 20:09 |
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| amuller | mdorman: I pushed this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ as a result of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Network_Segmentation_Usecases line 22 | 20:13 |
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| amuller | mdorman: I'd appreciate comments on the patch (Take a look at the commit message and bug report) | 20:13 |
| amuller | mdorman: if the approach that the patch takes would help you | 20:14 |
| mdorman | cool. let me have klindgren look at that. he’s more familiar with taht stuff than i am | 20:14 |
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| amuller | mdorman: thanks | 20:16 |
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| mdorman | klindgren: amuller[2:13pm]: | 20:16 |
| mdorman | mdorman: I pushed this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ as a result of amuller[2:13pm]: | 20:16 |
| mdorman | mdorman: I pushed this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205631/ as a result of | 20:16 |
| mdorman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Network_Segmentation_Usecases line 22 | 20:17 |
| amuller | mdorman: I also have a bunch of ideas about the nova scheduler and how it would support neutron provider networks better | 20:17 |
| amuller | mdorman: but that might be harder :) | 20:17 |
| amuller | mdorman: (Basically it would place VMs only on hosts that have reachability to the chosen network by observing the physical_network tag on the network) | 20:17 |
| amuller | klindgren: ^ | 20:18 |
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| amuller | and it should also know how to choose a network for the user instead of requiring the user to specify what network he wants a VM to be connected to, in my opinion. | 20:18 |
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| klindgren | reading through the commit message | 20:19 |
| amuller | according to IP availability (Using mdorman's API) and physical_network reachability | 20:19 |
| klindgren | that looks pretty good - re: the dhcp_agent_scheduler | 20:21 |
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| mdorman | amuller: yeah what you’re talking about seems to be a good match to our use case | 20:21 |
| klindgren | right now we set it so where neutron doesn't auto add any dhcp agents - then via puppet add the correct agent to that network segment | 20:22 |
| amuller | klindgren: ok so just to verify my own understanding, the diagram I put in the commit message is somewhat applicable to you? | 20:22 |
| amuller | klindgren: what each rack's networks all in a unique physical_network? | 20:22 |
| amuller | with* | 20:22 |
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| klindgren | amuller, yes - 100% | 20:22 |
| amuller | klindgren: awesome, then I'm not an idiot | 20:23 |
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| amuller | klindgren: so with that patch you should be able to just enable auto dhcp scheduling again? | 20:23 |
| klindgren | it does appear that way :-) | 20:23 |
| amuller | klindgren: cool I'm really glad | 20:24 |
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| amuller | klindgren: I'd appreciate if you could comment on the patch and bug | 20:24 |
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| amuller | klindgren: even if only to say that the approach taken by the patch is correct | 20:24 |
| amuller | or helpful | 20:24 |
| mdorman | thanks amuller ,this is great | 20:24 |
| amuller | mdorman: I have some sympathy to the provider networks use case, I really think we should do a better job with it in Neutron | 20:25 |
| amuller | and that patch seems kind of brain dead to me, dunno why we didn't do that earlier | 20:25 |
| * klindgren goes look at the spec carl_baldwin was doing for routed network support | 20:26 | |
| amuller | there's a very long discussion related to that on openstack-dev titled '[Neutron][L3] Representing a networks connected by routers' | 20:27 |
| amuller | where people are talking about changing what is a neutron network and subnet, and/or modeling what is a l3 network | 20:27 |
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| amuller | personally I think that most of your problems (According to my understanding) may be solved by making the nova scheduler more aware of neutron details | 20:28 |
| amuller | so I put up some sort of proposal in that thread | 20:28 |
| mdorman | that’s a big piece of it | 20:28 |
| mdorman | i need ot go catch up on that thread | 20:28 |
| amuller | mdorman: klindgren: Your input is appreciated, otherwise it's just a bunch of devs conjuring up solutions to a problem that may not exist | 20:29 |
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| klindgren | so - imho - the problem is neutron mdoels "networks" at L2 | 20:29 |
| mdorman | thanks for pointing it out. sometimes it’s hard to recognize what’s important and hwat’s not on teh ML, etc. | 20:30 |
| klindgren | but is missing something to tie multiple L2 segments together, and then limit provide a limit to the scope of the L2 segment -IE it may not be everywhere | 20:30 |
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| klindgren | but I also understand - that is hard to model without changing the fundamental neutron constructs and blowing up the existing use cases | 20:31 |
| klindgren | but I will look at that L3 topic on the mailing list as well | 20:31 |
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| amuller | klindgren: exactly, changing the basic network/subnet models is not necessarily feasible | 20:32 |
| amuller | so we can introduce something new | 20:33 |
| mdorman | i guess the L2 network model in use by neutron really isn’t a major problem if nova has the knowledge about taht stuff and about how to schedule instances accordingly | 20:33 |
| mdorman | maybe not perfectly clean, but a lot better than we have now | 20:33 |
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| amuller | mdorman: so that's my line of thinking, I'm not sure I understand your problems well enough to be able to answer that, which is why I'd appreciate feedback on my nova scheduler suggestions in that thread | 20:33 |
| amuller | mdorman: assuming those changes happen, where will that leave you? | 20:34 |
| mdorman | sure sure | 20:34 |
| amuller | is it good enough? etc | 20:34 |
| klindgren | mdorman, true - but... I would like to get to a point where I can expose an L3 network, that is made up of a collection of L2 networks to an end user and they only see "Dev, test, prod" | 20:34 |
| mdorman | yup, agreed. | 20:34 |
| mdorman | amuller: will have to think thorugh all this a little more to really be able to answer that. i guess what i’m unsure about is how to get to the model klindgren just explained, where the end user has teh ability to choose the L3 “network”. right now we overload AZ’s to accomplish that. | 20:35 |
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| amuller | klindgren: I *think* I solved that (Well, on paper) by being able to tag networks, then having the user boot a VM on a network *tag* and not on a *network* | 20:35 |
| klindgren | and not the dev-seg1-switch1, dev-seg2-switch1, dev-seg3-switch2 segments that make up "dev" | 20:35 |
| mdorman | so seems like we’d likely still do that, but just have fewer local patches in nova to handle the scheduling pieces | 20:35 |
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| amuller | so for example you take all of the networks that make up "dev" and tag them with "dev" | 20:36 |
| amuller | then when you boot a VM you specify a tag ("dev") | 20:36 |
| amuller | and the nova scheduler will select a network for the user | 20:36 |
| mdorman | how would the user pass in that tag? just like as a scheduler hint? | 20:36 |
| amuller | mdorman: I was thinking he'd type that while booting a VM, instead of specifying a network ID or port ID he would specify a tag | 20:37 |
| amuller | and let scheduler choose the specific network | 20:37 |
| mdorman | ok so it would still be part of the ‘network’ parameter | 20:37 |
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| amuller | mdorman: right now the 'nova boot' CLI takes network_id or port_id right | 20:38 |
| amuller | now it would also permit network_tag | 20:38 |
| amuller | and it would allow you to specify network_tag in place of network_id or port_id | 20:38 |
| mdorman | gottcha gottcha | 20:38 |
| amuller | ok | 20:38 |
| amuller | mdorman: is this idea anywhere in the ballpark of useful-land? | 20:38 |
| mdorman | yeah htat seems sensical to me | 20:38 |
| amuller | cool | 20:38 |
| mdorman | need to go actually look at the patch and catch up on ML | 20:39 |
| amuller | mdorman: keep in mind I'm a neutron dev, I have no idea how nova scheduler guys would feel about all of this | 20:39 |
| mdorman | right right | 20:39 |
| klindgren | though - I would like it if neutron network-list came back with only tags unless you are an admin | 20:39 |
| klindgren | or the ability to trigger that or something | 20:39 |
| amuller | klindgren: hmm right | 20:39 |
| amuller | we'd have to find a way to make that configurable in the policy.json file of Neutron | 20:40 |
| mdorman | from a large deployer’s team perspective, our push for nova right now is some cells stuff. so hopefully we’ll get some traction/political capital on that front which would allow us some inroads on other stuff like this. | 20:40 |
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