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| chen12 | hello.I get an error for horizon when install devstack, http://paste.openstack.org/show/315785/, anyone know why ? | 07:07 |
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| chen12 | anyone know how to fix that ? | 07:07 |
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| chen12 | anyone know how to fix this : http://paste.openstack.org/show/315785/ ? | 07:47 |
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| jaypipes | dhellmann: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1468012 | 17:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468012 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "compute monitors should be loaded via stevedore" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Jay Pipes (jaypipes) | 17:00 |
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| jaypipes | dhellmann: lemme know if you support that :) | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | jaypipes: looking... | 17:00 |
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| dhellmann | jaypipes: +1 to using stevedore; deprecating the config is less clear -- do deployers want to be able to turn things off even if they are installed? | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | dhellmann: wouldn't stevedore's EnabledExtensionManager do that? :) | 17:02 |
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| dhellmann | jaypipes: it can, but you need to tell it what plugins are disabled | 17:02 |
| dhellmann | so the config option might still be useful | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | dhellmann: well, we could at the very least deprecate *one* of those options :) | 17:03 |
| dhellmann | yes, true | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | tiny win at a time ;) | 17:03 |
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| dhellmann | jaypipes: small steps | 17:04 |
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| dhellmann | bswartz: is the release team managing the milestone for manila this cycle? | 17:04 |
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| dhellmann | bswartz: if so, please drop by #openstack-relmgr-office so we can chat about the milestone status | 17:21 |
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| jogo | vipuls: ping | 17:24 |
| vipuls | jogo: pong | 17:24 |
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| jogo | you are the cue PTL right? | 17:24 |
| vipuls | jogo: yes, what's up? | 17:25 |
| jogo | vipuls: because the patch says your nick is vipul | 17:25 |
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| vipuls | ah yea.. i have both registered | 17:25 |
| jogo | ahhhh | 17:25 |
| jogo | which do you usually use? | 17:25 |
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| vipuls | typically vipul unless my bouncer messes it up | 17:25 |
| jogo | vipuls: ahh | 17:26 |
| jogo | vipuls: I wanted to ask you a question that doesn't really belong on the governance patch review | 17:26 |
| vipuls | jogo: sure | 17:26 |
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| jogo | vipuls: as an end user what would be benefit of using a provider run Cue be over running one myself | 17:27 |
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| vipuls | jogo: you mean a Cue provided broker vs. self install ? | 17:27 |
| jogo | vipuls: self install of cue | 17:27 |
| jogo | vipuls: so you get all the healing etc. | 17:28 |
| bswartz | dhellmann: yes, and I'll do that in a bit | 17:28 |
| vipuls | jogo: well cue is multi-tenant, so it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to install Cue yourself | 17:28 |
| bswartz | I'm about to be afk | 17:28 |
| dhellmann | bswartz: great, I'm here for about 90 minutes before meetings set in | 17:28 |
| bswartz | okay | 17:28 |
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| vipuls | each tenant within Cue maps to a keystone tenant..so it makes more sense for there to be a single instance of Cue | 17:28 |
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| jogo | vipuls: lets put that point aside for a moment, along with the cost of running a a few extra servicds | 17:29 |
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| vipuls | in theory, you could install Cue yourself as well within your own tenant | 17:29 |
| jogo | vipuls: for example, would the cue operator be able to upgrade the rabbitmq services without the end user having to care? | 17:30 |
| vipuls | Some of that depends on what other services that the provider installs that are privileges that a in-tenant cue will not have acces to | 17:30 |
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| vipuls | well, the plan is to bake in the upgrade / patching of the broker within Cue | 17:31 |
| jogo | vipuls: what I am trying to get at is the clear value add I get using cue over a deploying rabbitmq the same way cue does it by on my own | 17:31 |
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| vipuls | Cue will support upgrades, patching, self-healing, ability to grow your cluster without you having to log in and muck aroudn with rabbitmqctl, or its config | 17:32 |
| vipuls | so there is clear value over running and installing rabbit yourself | 17:32 |
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| vipuls | what's harder to quantify is a per-tenant install of Cue versus a operator install of Cue | 17:33 |
| vipuls | because a lot of that will depend on what sorts of services Cue can take advantage of that may be more privileged and not accesible ot a tenant | 17:34 |
| bknudson | is there a way to get the doc build with sphinx to skip some files? | 17:34 |
| jogo | vipuls: for reference I think https://aws.amazon.com/rds/mysql/ does a great job of explaining the value add of amazon RDS | 17:34 |
| jogo | vipuls: something like that for cue would be really awesome | 17:34 |
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| vipuls | jogo: good point. We probably should do a better job documenting that | 17:35 |
| jogo | vipuls: to be fair most projects do a bad job at explaining this | 17:35 |
| vipuls | but the idea is to make rabbit, kafka, etc. managed in a way that the user doesn't have to actually do anything to keep them running, to upgrade them, to grow them, | 17:35 |
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| jogo | vipuls: so I would rephrase that slightly | 17:35 |
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| jogo | IMHO in addition to that, cue should try to consolidate the inevitable human management of these things. | 17:36 |
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| jogo | vipuls: no matter how much you automate, there is some human work, testing and preparing for the rollout of a new rabbit version etc. | 17:37 |
| jogo | and something like cue can move the management burden onto the cloud operator | 17:37 |
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| vipuls | jogo: That's something we can take into consideration. Allow the operator to plug in management capabilities such that things that Cue didn't take care of can be accomplished | 17:38 |
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| jogo | vipuls: some of the management would really just involve people on call | 17:38 |
| jogo | vipuls: for example when rollout out a new rabbitmq version | 17:39 |
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| jogo | vipuls: that should mostly automated, but you would still want a human just in case something goes wrong | 17:39 |
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| vipuls | jogo: That's fair. We need to think through the management capabilities we want to expose. The main thing we want to avoid is handing over the keys to the end user in a way that they need to log in and 'fix' things | 17:40 |
| jogo | vipuls: agreed. In some ways I see the value of something like cue the same as paying for support for something | 17:41 |
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| jogo | vipuls: you are paying so that when something goes wrong, someone else is liable | 17:41 |
| vipuls | jogo: yep makes total sense | 17:42 |
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| jogo | vipuls: anyway thanks for your time. what I really want is that page equivalent to https://aws.amazon.com/rds/mysql/ | 17:42 |
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| vipuls | jogo: thx - appreciate the feedback. I'll put something together, because I agree we aren't doing a good enough job communicating Cue's value | 17:43 |
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| jogo | vipuls: thanks, I look forward to reading it! | 17:44 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: ttx: can you get rid of a feature branch? | 20:17 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-keystoneclient/log/?h=feature/keystone-v3 | 20:17 |
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| jogo | jaypipes: did you see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066950.html ? | 20:47 |
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| jogo | to add another dimension to the question of higher level services | 20:48 |
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| jaypipes | jogo: only very briefly... | 20:48 |
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| jogo | jaypipes: I think the gist of it, is CloudBreak is trying to be a multicloud version of sahara | 20:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, it's a bit incorrect, they are doing only HDP | 20:50 |
| jaypipes | jogo: eh, kinda, and with a VERY opinionated set of underlying infrastructure tooling (Docker Swarm, Consul.io, etc) | 20:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, this company was acquired by Hortonworks, so, 100% sure there will be no other distros | 20:51 |
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| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: that is not what they said | 20:51 |
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| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: unless http://sequenceiq.com/cloudbreak/ is super out of date | 20:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, we were talked with them and they are postitioning it as a Ambari (HDP provisioning tool) based tool | 20:53 |
| jogo | jaypipes: why would one care how how thing are done internally? | 20:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, read section blueprints | 20:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's about ambari blueprints (like cluster topology def) | 20:53 |
| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: see Future releases | 20:54 |
| jogo | and Ambari allows for custom hadoop stacks (or that is what the article says) | 20:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, Ambari is a tool fully controlled by HWX | 20:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | even it's done in open source | 20:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and bigtop is a tool to build Hadoop and not only packages | 20:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, it's not the other distro | 20:56 |
| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: that is not accurate, it may be mostly controlled by HWX https://ambari.apache.org/team-list.html | 20:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, the hadoop community is mostly controlled by HWX | 20:57 |
| jogo | but I see redhat,IBM and pivital | 20:57 |
| jaypipes | jogo: because implementation matters? https://aphyr.com/posts/316-call-me-maybe-etcd-and-consul | 20:57 |
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| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: and sahara is mostly controlled by Mirantis (ttp://stackalytics.com/?module=sahara-group&release=all) but what is your point? | 20:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, the point is that sequenseiq was acquired by HWX and I'm sure that they will not support CDH | 20:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the approach of support is cloud-agnostic | 21:00 |
| clarkb | so many TLAs :) | 21:00 |
| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: CDH? | 21:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, Cloudera Hadoop distro | 21:00 |
| jogo | jaypipes: the bottom of that article says it was fixed | 21:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's endless discussion about cloud-agnostic vs. distro-agnostic | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | jogo: it says it *will* be fixed. | 21:01 |
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| jaypipes | jogo: my point being, implementation and choices matter, no? | 21:01 |
| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: why not both at once? | 21:02 |
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| jaypipes | jogo: it's a political thing... | 21:02 |
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| jaypipes | jogo: think Docker vs. Rocket. | 21:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, just a tech complexity and political things ;) | 21:02 |
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| jogo | jaypipes: docker and rocket just hugged it out | 21:03 |
| jogo | jaypipes: sort of | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | lol | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | kumbaya? | 21:03 |
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| jogo | SergeyLukjanov: since Ambari has support for custom hadoop stacks could that work with Cloudera Hadoop Distro? | 21:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, bigtop isn't a different hadoop distro, I'm surprised to see it in a plans | 21:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jogo, HWX doing their distro in community, in fact their distro is mostly open source distro | 21:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | read about http://bigtop.apache.org | 21:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's just another way to package the same thing | 21:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | as it seems to me | 21:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, will see what they support in future | 21:16 |
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| jogo | yup, should be interesting | 21:17 |
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| ttx | bknudson: I can't | 21:26 |
| ttx | I suspect infra can though | 21:26 |
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| vishwana_ | Is this the right forum to ask question on devstack and local.conf? Thanks | 21:38 |
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| vishwana_ | I need to run a command "sudo ovs-vsctl --may-exist add-br br-mgmt0" after the ovs-vsctl package has been installed? Should i be specifying this as part of [[install]] or is there a different option | 21:40 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: as ttx says, someone in infra has to delete branches (we can create them, though) | 21:43 |
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