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| SillyMoo | Hi. I have noticed what appears to be an issue with openshift origin when running with an SDN enabled. | 16:17 |
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| annegentle | flaper87: did you go ahead and submit the blog post for review? Or shall I? | 18:21 |
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| vvaldez | @alexpilotti: Hi, I'm using the CloudBase Windows 2012 image on OpenStack, I have a client who wants to be able to reset the admin or Administrator password on a system via cloudbase-init. Is there any python included with that image that can reset it after it has been up for a while (and thus the Administrator password essentially lost)? I have a working cloud-init python script that uses a nova meta parameter to tell it when to reset | 18:28 |
| vvaldez | a password, I'm just looking for a way to reset it the way the image comes - that is, no password needed but you have to change the password. Is this possible? Alternatively I can set it to a known value and make them change it but this would be a better use experience. | 18:28 |
| vvaldez | alexpilotti: and I've already told the that simply re-instantiating will get them what they want, but they want to keep they work intact and don't want to lose the state | 18:29 |
| alexpilotti | vvaldez: is the instance booted from volume? | 18:30 |
| alexpilotti | vvaldez: in that case a simple nova rebuild would do | 18:30 |
| vvaldez | alexpilotti: ultimately yes it will be, in my test instance it is not but I can | 18:30 |
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| vvaldez | alexpilotti: this is essentially what they want to mimic from a user experience perspective: https://support.getcloudservices.com/entries/22007206-CloudStack-Reset-Password | 18:31 |
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| alexpilotti | vvaldez: cloudbase-init, like cloud-init in the current state are boot agents, meaning that the configuration is meant to be applied at boot | 18:32 |
| vvaldez | alexpilotti: believe me, we have tried to help them understand that OpenStack != CloudStack ... | 18:32 |
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| vvaldez | alexpilotti: right, I forgot to mention, I'm deliberately deleting the registry keys so it runs every boot | 18:32 |
| alexpilotti | we have support in cloudbase-init for the cloudstack agent | 18:32 |
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| alexpilotti | meaning that a simple reboot triggers a password change | 18:32 |
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| alexpilotti | but again, that requires cloudstack metadata, not openstack :) | 18:33 |
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| vvaldez | alexpilotti: yes, but they are moving away from cloudstack. Oh? is there a way to trigger it from cloud-init in openstack | 18:33 |
| vvaldez | ah | 18:33 |
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| vvaldez | I know it's not the OpenStack way but these guys are very persistent. A kvm/libvirt agent will fix this but it's not ready yet | 18:34 |
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| alexpilotti | by default we deploy a user called “admin”, leaving the OS’s Administrator unconfigured, this might help you | 18:34 |
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| alexpilotti | this means that Administrator is unaccessible remotely, but if you get console access (e.g. in Horizon), you can simply gain access by resetting teh Administrator password | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | mriedem_madmax: I thought you were always mad. | 18:36 |
| vvaldez | alexpilotti: I noticed that, on this OpenStack though, the displayed admin pass doesn't work until you do a nova get-password, but they need a private key for that. the use case assumes the user has completely lost their keys and password somehow | 18:36 |
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| alexpilotti | reason for that is that “nova get-password” is the only secure way of handling passwords | 18:36 |
| vvaldez | I've noticed that. so there probably isn't a way to "unconfigure" an account that has already been used | 18:36 |
| alexpilotti | another option: | 18:37 |
| alexpilotti | “nova clear-password” clears the password | 18:37 |
| alexpilotti | and a subsequent boot can set it | 18:37 |
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| vvaldez | alexpilotti: oooh, meaning it would be in a similar "unconfigured" state and require setting it from the console? | 18:38 |
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| alexpilotti | yes | 18:38 |
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| alexpilotti | meaning that at the next boot it will check if a password is set in the metadata and set a new one that you can retrieve with nova get-password | 18:39 |
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| alexpilotti | you still need a public key for encryption | 18:40 |
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| vvaldez | alexpilotti: that's a great option, doesn't seem to need the private key. unfortunately these guys say their customers don't know what keys are ... | 18:40 |
| alexpilotti | decription can be done in horizon | 18:41 |
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| alexpilotti | they dont need to do it using the command line | 18:41 |
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| vvaldez | right, the plan is to add whatever calls we need into the UI | 18:41 |
| vvaldez | thanks alexpilotti, I'll try it out and let you know how it goes | 18:41 |
| rwyse | their use case is very specific about making sure that a non technical person using any platform and having no understanding of keys; therefore not having the key needs the ability to reset the password | 18:42 |
| alexpilotti | vvaldez: remember to set OPENSTACK_ENABLE_PASSWORD_RETRIEVE = True in openstack_dashboard/local/local_settings.py (Horizon) | 18:42 |
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| alexpilotti | rwyse: the sad part is that no keys == no secure passwords | 18:43 |
| rwyse | I have definitely warned them about this as I know well what the implications are at this point | 18:44 |
| rwyse | lets just say they are trying to make openstack work like cloudstack or something | 18:44 |
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| rwyse | I think all of us would have prefferred for them to enforce the use of keys | 18:45 |
| alexpilotti | cloudstack is also using clear text passwords, btw | 18:45 |
| vvaldez | nice | 18:45 |
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| rwyse | i thought that would be the case when I looked into what they were doing but couldn't prove it | 18:46 |
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| rwyse | i wasn't seeing any method they could use to secure it | 18:46 |
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| alexpilotti | side note, since grizzly we support also X509 keypairs | 18:47 |
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| alexpilotti | ops, since kilo | 18:47 |
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| rwyse | I had read that as well | 18:47 |
| alexpilotti | meaning that we can have passwrodless authentication in Windows | 18:47 |
| alexpilotti | but that’s a viable scenario for PowerShell / CLI remote administration today, not GUI (e.g. RDP) | 18:48 |
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| rwyse | thats a very good point. the password retrieval method is what I had tried to get them to use as a viable replacement for password reset but they weren't good with that | 18:49 |
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| alexpilotti | this is a post from the Icehouse era about X509 password-less auth: http://www.cloudbase.it/windows-without-passwords-in-openstack/ | 18:50 |
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| alexpilotti | vvaldez: to recap, the best option in your case IMO remains boot from volume with a “nova rebuild” if the password gets lost | 18:51 |
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| alexpilotti | alternatively, we can work out some custom ideas around the clear text admin_pass + nova clear-password | 18:52 |
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| rwyse | would be nice if the nova root password didn't need an agent on the instance to be run and would work on windows as well as linux. not sure that that is reasonable since I have never looked into what it is actually doing when called. | 18:53 |
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| vvaldez | alexpilotti: ok thanks, testing now. I do have the cloudbase-init always run on boot and execute a python script working, I was just trying to figure out the best way to reset/clear and display the password to the user | 18:54 |
| alexpilotti | rwyse: how would you set ithe password on Linux? | 18:54 |
| rwyse | i assume its just running passwd root on the host | 18:55 |
| rwyse | or something similar to that | 18:55 |
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| alexpilotti | rwyse: that’s a very bad libvirt thing | 18:55 |
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| vvaldez | alexpilotti: same as I described: tell cloud-init to always run on boot, runs a python scrip that checks metadata parameter we set, if it is a certain value, reset the password and echo to the screen and write to /etc/issue ... very hackish but it works | 18:55 |
| rwyse | i thought it could be....never had looked into the functionality once I saw that it was only supported under xen | 18:56 |
| alexpilotti | rwyse: having the host messing with the guest partitions is really not a safe thing | 18:56 |
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| alexpilotti | vvaldez: another idea for your use case: let’s build teh image with an existing public key | 18:57 |
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| alexpilotti | no need to pass the key via metadata at that point | 18:57 |
| vvaldez | alexpilotti: yeah ... we talked about that, but they also don't want to have any backdoors. I swear they only want what isn't possible ... | 18:57 |
| alexpilotti | and no need for the private counterpart, we just need it to enable the get-password thing | 18:57 |
| vvaldez | hrmm | 18:57 |
| vvaldez | interesting | 18:57 |
| alexpilotti | wait, now comes the hack :-) | 18:58 |
| vvaldez | :) | 18:58 |
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| alexpilotti | you pass in the password with admin_pass (aka the dreaded clear text horrible thing in the horizon UI) | 18:58 |
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| alexpilotti | that password goes into the matadata, but only if it’s ConfigDrive | 18:59 |
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| alexpilotti | you wont see it in HTTP metadata, for example | 18:59 |
| alexpilotti | now, let’s say that you want to reset teh password | 18:59 |
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| alexpilotti | nova clear-password vm1 | 18:59 |
| alexpilotti | nova reboot vm1 | 19:00 |
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| vvaldez | Ok | 19:00 |
| rwyse | that is an interesting thought | 19:00 |
| alexpilotti | and the password gets reset to the original value (assuming the user changed it) | 19:00 |
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| alexpilotti | obviously, if the user lost the original one, the only place where it persists is the configdrive | 19:01 |
| vvaldez | that is certainly interesting, I haven't tried configdrive on this image | 19:01 |
| vvaldez | but I know if I pass --file then nova boot fails, saying it can't find an operating system | 19:01 |
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| vvaldez | so I'm fetching the python from a web server instead | 19:02 |
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| alexpilotti | —file is just trying to inject a file in the guest os | 19:02 |
| alexpilotti | very bad thing | 19:02 |
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| vvaldez | ah ... so now I see a "reset password" option under the admin user! | 19:02 |
| alexpilotti | and it will fail on NTFS partitions anyway | 19:03 |
| vvaldez | but it wants a usbdrive | 19:03 |
| alexpilotti | that’s a windows feature | 19:03 |
| alexpilotti | and it requires console access | 19:03 |
| vvaldez | oops, ok | 19:03 |
| rwyse | why is it that it does fail on NTFS? I have seen that in the past when doing some similar testing but never looked for the reason as a workaround was easy enough to come up with | 19:03 |
| alexpilotti | and if you have console access, why dont you just reset “Administrator”? | 19:03 |
| vvaldez | that's if I enter an incorrect password | 19:04 |
| vvaldez | how, with that same feature? | 19:04 |
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| vvaldez | yes, console access is assumed | 19:04 |
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| alexpilotti | then no need for any hack | 19:04 |
| alexpilotti | we leave Administrator unconfigured for this exact use case | 19:04 |
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| alexpilotti | just go on console, switch from admin to Administrator | 19:05 |
| alexpilotti | try to login and it will tell you that it’s teh first time that you login and that you need to set a password | 19:05 |
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| vvaldez | Ok, that makes sense, then they could do whatever they need. My assumption was that they would have already used Adminstrator, not admin | 19:05 |
| alexpilotti | well, you can anytime create an image with an administrative user called with any name, to be used only to regain access | 19:06 |
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| alexpilotti | we avoid “Administrator” for two reasons: 1) best practices (see script kiddie attacks on standard user names), 2) we leave it to password retrieval :-) | 19:08 |
| alexpilotti | to be more precise, password reset, not password retrieval | 19:09 |
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| vvaldez | right, makes sense | 19:11 |
| vvaldez | so nova clear-password doesn't seem to do anything on this image | 19:11 |
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| tim_o | i started getting: RTNETLINK answers: Permission denied out of my ubuntu 14.04 devstack runs a few days ago, does anyone know how to get rid of this issue? | 22:15 |
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| tim_o | I need to head out in a few minutes, however, I will leave this session up for a while to see if anyone has an idea later tonight (hope that is OK)...Thanks, Tim | 22:35 |
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