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| morganfainberg | though apache could be [i think] configured to add that info | 00:00 |
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| morganfainberg | easily | 00:00 |
| clarkb | apache will log them right | 00:00 |
| clarkb | yup | 00:00 |
| morganfainberg | yay not implementing things cause we get them for free ;) | 00:00 |
| jogo | ahh https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_log_config.html | 00:01 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, yep, was just about to go looking for that page for ya | 00:02 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, just had to finish a code review. | 00:02 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: not sure where to throw that in devstack my apache foo is weak | 00:03 |
| jogo | do you know? | 00:03 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, yeah one sec. | 00:03 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: thanks | 00:03 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo, just going to take me a moment to find it since i'm context switching from keystone code to devstack | 00:05 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: thanks | 00:05 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, ok so you probably want to figure out where you want that info, but the idea would be %D added https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-keystone.template#L11 and https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-keystone.template#L27 | 00:07 |
| morganfainberg | i think | 00:07 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, wherever you put the %D will turn that into microseconds to serve the request | 00:07 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo, %T would be in seconds | 00:08 |
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| morganfainberg | interestingly that feels like the wrong place now that i think about it | 00:09 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: trying that now | 00:09 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, that might need to go in the custom_log lines for the access_log | 00:09 |
| morganfainberg | instead of the error_logs | 00:09 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: yeah I was going to say | 00:10 |
| morganfainberg | because error_logs are printed more often/more-cases [all keystone logging] than access is | 00:10 |
| morganfainberg | yeah put it in customlog lines | 00:10 |
| morganfainberg | and that'll then show in the keystone_access.log | 00:10 |
| morganfainberg | putting it in the errorlog might be interesting but way less useful. | 00:10 |
| jogo | so what line do Iadd? | 00:10 |
| morganfainberg | ooh sec. forgot we're using "combined" | 00:11 |
| morganfainberg | so, you want to replace the CustomLog lines in that template i linked with: CustomLog /var/log/%APACHE_NAME%/keystone_access.log "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-agent}i\"" | 00:13 |
| morganfainberg | you'll need to add the %T or %D somewhere in that format string | 00:13 |
| morganfainberg | wherever you want the time to serve request to be encoded. | 00:14 |
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| morganfainberg | we can make it more generic if this is more than a 1-off thing. but to start that should get you the information. | 00:15 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, ^ | 00:15 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: I think we should log this in general so yes to more generic | 00:16 |
| jogo | for now I am just curios on how fast keystone is | 00:16 |
| morganfainberg | would you want horizon to also contain this info? | 00:16 |
| morganfainberg | we could change the combined log format if so. | 00:16 |
| morganfainberg | if not, we can just define a keystone format and use it. | 00:16 |
| jogo | meh just keystone | 00:16 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 00:17 |
| jogo | since its way more key to the system | 00:17 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 00:17 |
| jogo | slow keystone slows everything way dooown | 00:17 |
| morganfainberg | let me remember how to configure this ;) | 00:17 |
| morganfainberg | >.> | 00:17 |
| morganfainberg | ok so where do you want the time to serve data? last element of the log? | 00:18 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: sure | 00:18 |
| jogo | playing around with how this looks now | 00:18 |
| morganfainberg | ok so in https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/files/apache-keystone.template | 00:19 |
| morganfainberg | actually let me do this in a paste | 00:20 |
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| jogo | %T is no good | 00:20 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, http://paste.openstack.org/show/191985/ something like that? | 00:21 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, that'd be microseconds, probably more interesting than %T | 00:22 |
| jogo | can we do microseconds/1000 | 00:22 |
| jogo | to get a float that is seconds | 00:22 |
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| morganfainberg | i don't think youc an do math in the formatter string here | 00:23 |
| morganfainberg | i think it's either %D or %T | 00:23 |
| jogo | grr | 00:23 |
| jogo | that looks good | 00:23 |
| jogo | you won't like the results though | 00:24 |
| morganfainberg | haha i know we have performance issues | 00:24 |
| morganfainberg | :( | 00:24 |
| morganfainberg | and we're very chatty to the backned [a big issue that causes performance issues] | 00:24 |
| morganfainberg | also remember the first few requests to a new server takes extra long because the wsgi's need to be spun up [in devstack case] | 00:24 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: I think a large part of why devstack is slow is .... you | 00:25 |
| jogo | :) | 00:25 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, if we did some extra tweaking to make devstack behave more production like i think we could drastically improve | 00:26 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo, but it's on a long list of need to get major scale issues down first. e.g. fernet tokens in [no more token storage should help a lot of people] | 00:26 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: +++ to devstack more like production | 00:26 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, sure but we might need more memory to do it. | 00:27 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo, because most people utilize memcache to help with these issues [a reason we added caching in] | 00:27 |
| jogo | 10.0.0.58 - - [13/Mar/2015:00:27:00 +0000] "GET /v2.0/OS-KSADM/services HTTP/1.1" 200 25 6600(s) "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 00:27 |
| jogo | lolz | 00:27 |
| jogo | err ms | 00:27 |
| jogo | us | 00:27 |
| morganfainberg | so send 30 requests to keystone | 00:27 |
| morganfainberg | then check | 00:27 |
| morganfainberg | the first ones do take seconds because mod_Wsgi has to spin up the processes | 00:28 |
| jogo | 10.0.0.58 - - [13/Mar/2015:00:26:58 +0000] "GET /v3/domains/default HTTP/1.1" 200 215 132991(us) "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 00:28 |
| jogo | right | 00:28 |
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| morganfainberg | ok that is better. | 00:28 |
| jogo | stack.shing now | 00:28 |
| morganfainberg | ++ | 00:28 |
| jogo | that was a typo 6600us | 00:28 |
| morganfainberg | oh | 00:28 |
| jogo | 13 seconds | 00:28 |
| jogo | is not better :/ | 00:29 |
| jogo | but may be the first one | 00:29 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah. | 00:29 |
| jogo | devstack is really slow these days | 00:29 |
| jogo | part is wheel stuff (25% in fact) | 00:29 |
| jogo | and the rest is ???? | 00:29 |
| jogo | AFAIK half is setting up openstack | 00:29 |
| jogo | so some of that may be keysteone | 00:29 |
| morganfainberg | might be. | 00:29 |
| jogo | which is what I am testing | 00:29 |
| morganfainberg | i think we run 4 or 5 workers | 00:30 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: I take it your posting the change from your paste above? | 00:30 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, not yet. but i can. | 00:30 |
| morganfainberg | i want to poke at a couple things and possibly submit a couple changes at once if i'm doing "make things more production-y" | 00:31 |
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| jogo | woops 132991 is .13 seconds | 00:31 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: nice | 00:31 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10588444/ | 00:32 |
| jogo | logs | 00:32 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah .13 sec is not *terrible* | 00:32 |
| morganfainberg | it's not good. | 00:32 |
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| morganfainberg | i'm ok with most of these being in: 5581(us) range or so | 00:33 |
| morganfainberg | this is expected: /v2.0/tenants/ae81c3535c964a65989f0ea06f7362c0/users/0f0f67d961a949d88c9974db4ef3bc3a/roles HTTP/1.1" 200 13 19905(us) "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 00:33 |
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| morganfainberg | that is a brutal set of querieds | 00:34 |
| jogo | this is output of devstack running | 00:34 |
| morganfainberg | right | 00:34 |
| morganfainberg | it's standup | 00:34 |
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| morganfainberg | "POST /v3/groups HTTP/1.1" 201 225 2761931(us) "-" "python-keystoneclient" that i guess is a new process spinning up | 00:35 |
| morganfainberg | just a hunch | 00:35 |
| morganfainberg | or not. | 00:36 |
| morganfainberg | god. | 00:36 |
| morganfainberg | ouch | 00:36 |
| morganfainberg | not write optimised. | 00:36 |
| morganfainberg | ok i'll poke at this some and get those changes proposed up. | 00:37 |
| morganfainberg | let me finish the current code review chain i'm on. | 00:37 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: thanks! | 00:40 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10588467/ | 00:43 |
| jogo | went back to %T and filtered out things that were over a second | 00:43 |
| jogo | not too many at least | 00:43 |
| morganfainberg | ah ok | 00:43 |
| jogo | but there are some | 00:43 |
| morganfainberg | right | 00:43 |
| jogo | dtroyer: ping | 00:43 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, i'd say that isn't terrible, not great/exciting, but not "omg what the hell is this" awful | 00:44 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, so would you prefer %T or %D? | 00:44 |
| morganfainberg | i think %D is more useful in general | 00:44 |
| morganfainberg | but it's a lot of extra digits | 00:45 |
| jogo | %D | 00:45 |
| morganfainberg | ++ | 00:45 |
| jogo | more useful in general | 00:45 |
| morganfainberg | aye | 00:45 |
| jogo | dtroyer: --timing os broken in OSC | 00:45 |
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| jogo | dtroyer: also why so slow http://paste.openstack.org/show/191986/ | 00:45 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: ^ slow may be client side | 00:46 |
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| jogo | over a second to do nothing | 00:46 |
| jogo | $ time openstack user | 00:46 |
| jogo | ERROR: openstack Unknown command ['user'] | 00:46 |
| jogo | real 0m1.161s | 00:46 |
| jogo | user 0m0.410s | 00:46 |
| jogo | sys 0m0.394s | 00:46 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, expensive calls | 00:46 |
| morganfainberg | jogo, :( | 00:46 |
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| jogo | keypair list | 00:47 |
| jogo | 0.2 seconds on nova | 00:47 |
| jogo | 2.5 in oSC | 00:47 |
| jogo | 2 to 2.5 | 00:48 |
| jogo | wow novaclient isn't much better | 00:48 |
| jogo | 1.6 seconds for the same thing | 00:48 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: so looks like most of the time is spent client side | 00:52 |
| morganfainberg | good to know | 00:53 |
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| stevemar | jogo, can you try `time keystone user-list` on the same machine? | 01:11 |
| stevemar | and add it to here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1431649 | 01:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431649 in python-openstackclient "openstackclient is really slow" [Undecided,New] | 01:11 |
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| klindgren | dims, you there? | 01:24 |
| dims | aye klindgren | 01:24 |
| klindgren | I am trying out: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146047/28 | 01:25 |
| klindgren | in our test environment | 01:25 |
| dims | ah nice | 01:25 |
| klindgren | we have cells configured - and it doesn't seem to help? | 01:25 |
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| dims | what is your symptom now? | 01:26 |
| dims | was it the same symptom as before the patch? | 01:26 |
| klindgren | I restarted haproxy that was fronting rabbitmq - got a ton of errors ass expected - then from the api cel -> compute cell the api cell nova instance was throw errors every 2 minutes trying to send a message | 01:27 |
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| dims | does it stabilize or continue to fail? | 01:28 |
| klindgren | continue to fail | 01:28 |
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| dims | is the haproxy back up? | 01:29 |
| klindgren | it is | 01:29 |
| dims | rabbitmq status still good? | 01:29 |
| klindgren | yep | 01:30 |
| klindgren | I fixed it by restart nova-api on the api cell | 01:30 |
| klindgren | errors went away | 01:30 |
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| klindgren | trying to look in the code for what gets logged when it find something is broken and attmepts to reconnect | 01:30 |
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| klindgren | but not finding anything | 01:31 |
| dims | do you see [Errno 32] Broken pipe or [Errno 61] ECONNREFUSED | 01:31 |
| dims | "got a ton of errors ass expected" - was from which log? | 01:32 |
| dtroyer | jogo: yes, all python clients are slow to load. that sucks. yet another reason to use statically linked lcients. | 01:32 |
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| dtroyer | but more importantly, one of the reasons I want so badly to eliminate as many dependencies from osc as I can | 01:32 |
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| dtroyer | I know —timing is broke, it never really was finished properly, and the fix will enable it for all calls through the Session that OSC manages, not just nova | 01:33 |
| dims | klindgren: still there? :) | 01:33 |
| klindgren | dims the errors are all over the place - let me gist some stuff up | 01:33 |
| klindgren | mostly I see: Failed to publish message to topic 'cells': [Errno 1] _ssl.c:1302: error:1409F07F:SSL routines:SSL3_WRITE_PENDING:bad write retry | 01:33 |
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| klindgren | Neutron errors with Broken Pipe [Error 32] | 01:34 |
| jogo | dtroyer: re fix for timing, awesome | 01:34 |
| jogo | dtroyer: as for slow client have you spent a few hours with cprofile on it? | 01:35 |
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| jogo | I wonder if there is low hanging fruit | 01:35 |
| dtroyer | I have done no profiling, what little I did when working on timing the load times were all less than the turnaround times for API requests. | 01:36 |
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| dtroyer | there are still probably places where unnecessary server calls are being made, I know we haven't cleaned all of that up yet either | 01:36 |
| jogo | so without --timing working I don't know if that is true :) | 01:36 |
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| jogo | doing a no-op call is slow too though | 01:36 |
| dtroyer | also, you'll like this, I'm finally working on the caching layer | 01:37 |
| jogo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1431649 | 01:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431649 in python-openstackclient "openstackclient is really slow" [Undecided,New] | 01:37 |
| dtroyer | not sure how much that'll help in the devstack use cases though | 01:37 |
| jogo | dtroyer: \o/ | 01:37 |
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| jogo | well one thing that would help prob is token caching | 01:37 |
| jogo | so less round trips for all commands | 01:37 |
| dims | klindgren: as much logs as you can share would be great! | 01:38 |
| dtroyer | a lot of the account setup stuff in devstack uses url/token auth so there are no auth requests at all. | 01:38 |
| dtroyer | but that changed recently, I'm not sure if that is true for all projects still | 01:38 |
| dims | klindgren: so the scenario mehdi and i were trying did not have HAProxy in between, so that's a new wrinkle | 01:38 |
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| jogo | dtroyer: neat | 01:38 |
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| jogo | dtroyer: try running openstack user | 01:39 |
| jogo | which isn't a valid command and should fail | 01:39 |
| jogo | but fails slowly | 01:39 |
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| dtroyer | or just run openstack. getting to the interactive prompt does no auth and is a dog | 01:39 |
| dtroyer | it needs attention for sure | 01:39 |
| jogo | python -m cProfile -s cumtime /usr/local/bin/openstack user | 01:40 |
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| dtroyer | the first big hitters are the regex parsing and module loading | 01:42 |
| jogo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10588633/ | 01:42 |
| jogo | yeah | 01:42 |
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| jogo | why do you load all the modules? | 01:42 |
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| dtroyer | I don't. we go to great lengths to not load things until required. | 01:43 |
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| dtroyer | but OSC has >20 package dependencies, due to the proliferation of all of the project libs | 01:43 |
| jogo | time python -c 'from openstackclient.common import clientmanager' | 01:43 |
| jogo | 0.4 seconds | 01:43 |
| jogo | and it logs a novaclient warning | 01:43 |
| jogo | /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/novaclient/v1_1/__init__.py:30: UserWarning: Module novaclient.v1_1 is deprecated (taken as a basis for novaclient.v2). The preferable way to get client class or object you can find in novaclient.client module. | 01:43 |
| dtroyer | what release of OSC are you using? | 01:44 |
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| dtroyer | we've recently reworked part of that | 01:44 |
| jogo | oh wait | 01:44 |
| jogo | still 0.4 seconds | 01:44 |
| jogo | timeit.timeit('from openstackclient.common import clientmanager',number=1) | 01:45 |
| jogo | 0.42677998542785645 | 01:45 |
| jogo | on trunk | 01:45 |
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| jogo | anyway have to run, dinner time | 01:46 |
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| jogo | even worse when I run that in a venv on trunk | 01:50 |
| jogo | $ python -c "import timeit ; print timeit.timeit('from openstackclient.common import clientmanager',number=1)" | 01:50 |
| jogo | 1.11708688736 | 01:50 |
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| dtroyer | time python -c "pass" : 0m0.028s | 01:52 |
| dtroyer | time python -c "import timeit; timeit.timeit('from keystoneclient import session',number=1)" : 0m0.528s | 01:52 |
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| dtroyer | I'm building a table | 01:52 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: ! | 01:52 |
| jogo | jamielennox: ! | 01:52 |
| jamielennox | that's high | 01:53 |
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| dtroyer | it'll only be meaningful relatively, my Air isn't the fasted thing around | 01:53 |
| jamielennox | so the weird bit for me is that session is not that big a class in terms of import | 01:54 |
| jamielennox | like lots of things import session, but it doesn't import much | 01:54 |
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| jogo | jamielennox: cprofile FTW | 01:55 |
| jogo | and other profilers | 01:55 |
| jamielennox | today is still fighting apache day | 01:56 |
| jogo | dtroyer: thanks for looking into this | 01:56 |
| clarkb | I have had good luck with yappi | 01:56 |
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| jamielennox | i think it's measuring the import system | 01:57 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: yup, it is, but just loading OSC to do nothing takes over a second | 01:58 |
| dtroyer | keystone takes just under a second | 01:58 |
| jamielennox | yea, i got 4 seconds on first then 0.8 after that | 01:59 |
| morganfainberg | initial compile to .pyc? | 01:59 |
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| jamielennox | there'd be some OS caching and other things for running it twice in a row like that | 02:00 |
| dtroyer | I'm running them all at least three times and taking the lowest | 02:00 |
| jamielennox | meaninful benchmarks are hard | 02:00 |
| dtroyer | but outliers should be visible | 02:01 |
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| jogo | jamielennox: got some numbers that may be useful | 03:38 |
| jogo | http://paste.openstack.org/show/192008/ | 03:39 |
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| jogo | so it looks like keystoneclient/__init__.py is slowwww | 03:40 |
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| jogo | which is coming from keystoneclient/discover being slow | 03:41 |
| jamielennox | why would discover be slow | 03:41 |
| jamielennox | oh, because it's a stupid circular thing and discover often ends up importing the whole client | 03:41 |
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| jogo | that makes sense | 03:42 |
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| jogo | jamielennox: I565c78ef8910353c4e1ce1641b42fba7cdbd77d8 may be it | 03:43 |
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| jamielennox | i guess that's just making everything available if you just "import keystoneclient" | 03:45 |
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| jogo | jamielennox: https://review.openstack.org/164066 | 03:55 |
| jogo | jamielennox: can you confirm the timing | 03:55 |
| jamielennox | jogo: i'm pretty sure that'll get -1ed from breaking compatibility | 03:55 |
| jogo | the original patch just warned about build errors | 03:56 |
| jogo | the original patch just warned about build warnings* | 03:56 |
| jogo | so meh | 03:56 |
| jogo | but yeah you may be right | 03:56 |
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| jogo | so on my current box, before: 0.16 seconds | 03:57 |
| jogo | after: 0.10 seconds | 03:58 |
| jogo | and scale those times up for slow devstack boxes | 03:58 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg dtroyer: ^ | 04:00 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: o/ | 04:00 |
| jogo | https://review.openstack.org/164066 should make things suck less | 04:00 |
| jogo | speed wise | 04:00 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo: so I want to split session into its own lib like. Now. | 04:01 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: that works too | 04:01 |
| dtroyer | morganfainberg: Please!??!!??!!?!?!!!??????!!!!!!!!! | 04:02 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: keystonecommon. I could probably spin up the change tomorrow. But it would require tc approval and a g-r sync and then updating a lot of clients. | 04:02 |
| jogo | hmm now you have some regex that are compiling somewhere | 04:02 |
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| jogo | http://paste.openstack.org/show/192009/ | 04:02 |
| clarkb | ya please dont that will create a ton of work right before release... | 04:03 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: that is def my concern. | 04:03 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: what about my patch? | 04:03 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: looking. It might be a non-starter but I'm looking now. | 04:03 |
| morganfainberg | Clarkb but maybe first think liberty session split out. If we're too close to release for your comfort. | 04:04 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo: yep that is compatibility :( | 04:04 |
| clarkb | well I dont quite understand why you need another lib at all but in general add lib to central thing right before release is :( | 04:04 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: why? | 04:05 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: ksc has to stay silly levels of compatible. | 04:05 |
| dtroyer | we need to split it out WITHOUT the compatibility bits. Or pull that part out of the SDK. Something without all the crap that we've been carrying along | 04:05 |
| jogo | original patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99745/ | 04:05 |
| morganfainberg | I think that's compat support at least. | 04:05 |
| jogo | Imports to fix build warnings | 04:05 |
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| morganfainberg | Oh maybe it wasn't. | 04:06 |
| morganfainberg | Ok sure. | 04:06 |
| morganfainberg | Let me finish dinner. And a drink. | 04:06 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: let's plan for liberty. | 04:06 |
| jogo | morganfainberg dtroyer: think getting OSC load time down to under 0.5 seconds for Kilo is a good goal to have | 04:06 |
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| morganfainberg | dtroyer: well once dust is settled for kilo that is. | 04:06 |
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| morganfainberg | But I think that revert can probably go in then jogo let me take a closer look post dinner. | 04:07 |
| dtroyer | I've done the part I think we need to do twice already, this isn't rocket science. but it'll be worthless if there is any compatibility stuff brought along. that's what keeps killing everything | 04:08 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: that's part of the issue. But I think we can make a new lib session no compat Magic and have the compat Magic in ksc. | 04:08 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: :) enjoy the food | 04:08 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo: turkey bacon and jalapeño :) | 04:09 |
| dtroyer | I'd leave the old stuff alone. why bother? how much time has been wasted trying to keep it going? | 04:09 |
| morganfainberg | Sorry turkey, bacon, jalapeño | 04:09 |
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| morganfainberg | dtroyer: to not break people while they move over. ;) | 04:09 |
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| morganfainberg | Client is kind of a thorn because of so much compat. | 04:10 |
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| morganfainberg | I really want common code out of ksc. So ksc is really just a lib for keystone's api not for the auth bits. | 04:10 |
| * dtroyer stops beating head on desk now | 04:10 | |
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| dtroyer | exactly. | 04:11 |
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| dtroyer | and it's been done already. | 04:11 |
| morganfainberg | but we carry a lot of compat code because we break people in bad ways otherwise. If we offer a clean interface that lightens that load great. But compat has to exist because $client_works_with_all_versions | 04:11 |
| dtroyer | old client does that | 04:12 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: so keystonecommon becomes clean no compat. Ksc holds compat layers. | 04:12 |
| dtroyer | start the F#@% over | 04:12 |
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| morganfainberg | I can't do that yet. If we do stable clients issue is 100% gone. You're going to see rejoicing from me. | 04:12 |
| dtroyer | we have a low-level API outline in OSC. we have an SDK with a full ORM | 04:12 |
| dtroyer | and we're still spending $HOURS propping up the old stuff | 04:13 |
| morganfainberg | But part of why I keep telling people go use OSC is for this very reason. | 04:13 |
| morganfainberg | And why I drew a hard line on no more cli for ksc. | 04:13 |
| dtroyer | yes. thanks for that. but it still totally depends on keystoneclient. that as only the CLI | 04:13 |
| morganfainberg | But we still support in theory grizzly with ksc | 04:14 |
| dtroyer | this is why I stay up late at night trying to replace as much of the old sh!t as possible | 04:14 |
| morganfainberg | Clients are a problem. | 04:14 |
| dtroyer | the old clients don't go anyhere. we supprot old APIs, not old libs | 04:14 |
| morganfainberg | I only say grizzly cause I don't think anyone actually runs Folsom or Essex still. | 04:14 |
| dtroyer | REAT APIs | 04:14 |
| dtroyer | crap | 04:14 |
| dtroyer | REST APIs | 04:15 |
| morganfainberg | That wasn't the contract made at the time of ksc inception. | 04:15 |
| dtroyer | so it becomes a this or that choice, not a forced migration | 04:15 |
| morganfainberg | We would need ksc2 | 04:15 |
| morganfainberg | Where that isn't the issue anymore. | 04:15 |
| dtroyer | no, and that's what I am trying to say. | 04:15 |
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| jamielennox | can someone please come up with a better name than keystonecommon for this | 04:16 |
| dtroyer | stop spending time propping up the old crap. build new. build clean. | 04:16 |
| jamielennox | if we pull out session and the base auth then there's nothing keystone about it | 04:16 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: name tbd | 04:16 |
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| dtroyer | I'd love to remove keystone altogether, but that's just me. authlib? | 04:16 |
| jamielennox | this has really been my main hold off for having done it already | 04:16 |
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| jamielennox | because once that's extracted SDK can use all this session stuff | 04:16 |
| dtroyer | +++++++++++++++++++++++ | 04:17 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: I asked and was told put this in sdk don't break ksc compat | 04:17 |
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| dtroyer | this is what the low layer of the SDK was supposed to be | 04:17 |
| dtroyer | it isn't | 04:17 |
| dtroyer | we don't break ksc. leave it there. | 04:17 |
| * dtroyer done. youse guys are the choir | 04:18 | |
| morganfainberg | Hehe | 04:19 |
| jogo | ohh I generated a call graph for keystoneclient session | 04:20 |
| jamielennox | oh o | 04:20 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: jamielennox http://i.imgur.com/nkD3Thh.png?1 | 04:25 |
| jogo | http://i.imgur.com/nkD3Thh.png | 04:25 |
| jogo | jsonutils is slooow | 04:25 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: yeah looks like it. | 04:25 |
| jamielennox | that will pull in requests and a bunch of other stuff | 04:27 |
| jamielennox | oh yea - jsonutils has all that dynamic loading of stuff on import | 04:27 |
| morganfainberg | I wonder if we can go super basic there and use basic json module for this in Python | 04:28 |
| morganfainberg | Rather than the jsonutils stuff. | 04:28 |
| jogo | hmm removing it doesn't make a big difference | 04:29 |
| jogo | other things are pulling in slow regex | 04:29 |
| jogo | 1 0.002 0.002 0.039 0.039 /home/jogo/Develop/openstack/python-keystoneclient/.tox/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pbr/version.py:19(<module>) | 04:29 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: part of the problem here is... Python | 04:29 |
| morganfainberg | Not unsolvable just a common issue. | 04:30 |
| morganfainberg | Esp. With the kind of lib deps we end up with. | 04:30 |
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| jogo | morganfainberg: yeah your right | 04:31 |
| jogo | $ python -c "import timeit; print timeit.timeit('from pbr import version',number=1)" | 04:31 |
| jogo | 0.0886619091034 | 04:31 |
| jogo | and I think everything imports pbr.version somehow | 04:31 |
| morganfainberg | Yep. | 04:32 |
| dtroyer | so how about for devstack we wrap up a bunch of the specific api calls with curl? most of what evstack does is create users and projects, leave the long-running bits alone (image upload) | 04:32 |
| jogo | ahh keystoneclient/__init__.py:import pbr.version | 04:32 |
| morganfainberg | Short of making pbr c-lib you're going to keep hitting these issue. Other libs similar | 04:32 |
| jogo | mordred: keystoneclient/__init__.py:import pbr.version | 04:32 |
| morganfainberg | Though making pbr c bindings may not be the worst idea. | 04:32 |
| jogo | mordred: $ python -c "import timeit; print timeit.timeit('from pbr import version',number=1)" | 04:33 |
| jogo | 0.0886619091034 | 04:33 |
| jogo | your slow | 04:33 |
| jogo | anyway I have one down the profiling rabbit hole far enough for one night | 04:33 |
| jogo | we at least have one clear win from this | 04:33 |
| jogo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164066/ | 04:33 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: hehe. First rule of optimization: don't except when it is stupid not to. | 04:34 |
| jogo | ? | 04:34 |
| jogo | and I have hunch that we can keep banging on why OSC is slow we will find other hopefully easy things | 04:34 |
| morganfainberg | It's better to optimize after the fact than prematurely. This is the after the fact. | 04:34 |
| jogo | ahh, yup | 04:35 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: we could also write everything in c against libcurl for clients. | 04:35 |
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| dtroyer | I started doing that 3 years ago, believe it or not | 04:35 |
| dtroyer | was my first choice | 04:35 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: I get the feeling curl will make people cry more. | 04:36 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: just a hunch. | 04:36 |
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| dtroyer | Jesse convinved me to switch to go. I still have working code | 04:36 |
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| jogo | heh removing the pbr line from __init__ | 04:37 |
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| dtroyer | it was the JSON handling that became a total pain | 04:37 |
| jogo | takes import keystoneclient from 0.036 to 0.00033 | 04:37 |
| morganfainberg | jogo: making pbr c bindings is not the worst idea ever. | 04:37 |
| morganfainberg | Or at least expensive parts. | 04:37 |
| jogo | morganfainberg: well $ time python -c '' | 04:38 |
| jogo | real 0m0.017s | 04:38 |
| morganfainberg | Right. But we pay that anyway. | 04:39 |
| jamielennox | the expensive parts of pbr is all of it right? it does a lot of guessing and looking for files | 04:39 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox: not in all cases. But yeah. | 04:39 |
| morganfainberg | Afaik | 04:39 |
| morganfainberg | I haven't looked at it recently. | 04:39 |
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| jogo | time ls: real0m0.002s | 04:39 |
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| morganfainberg | jogo: I read that as "time is real". Duh time is a real number in posix | 04:40 |
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| dtroyer | remember, you're still chasing things that are one or more orders of magnitude smaller than a single REST round trip | 04:40 |
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| morganfainberg | dtroyer: I'm actually looking at enabling some bootstrap of keystone via keystone-manage vs needing rest. But rest is never optimized for speed. | 04:41 |
| morganfainberg | It's optimized for usability (we might miss that somewhat in our Apis too) | 04:42 |
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| dtroyer | then why stew over the import time of pbr? | 04:43 |
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| jogo | dtroyer: that is a good point nova takes about .1 or so at least | 04:43 |
| jogo | dtroyer: can you try my patch on your slowish macbook air? | 04:43 |
| jogo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164066/ | 04:43 |
| jogo | as I think that saves the right order of magnitude | 04:44 |
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| dtroyer | jogo: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-timing at the bottom are the first three I ran, not much change so far | 04:47 |
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| dtroyer | keystoneclient.session got a bit better | 04:48 |
| dtroyer | osc's clientmanager got about the same amount worse | 04:48 |
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| morganfainberg | Lol | 04:49 |
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| morganfainberg | dtroyer: because client mgr didn't have it pre imported | 04:50 |
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| dtroyer | so they need to be impoted one way or another. | 04:51 |
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| morganfainberg | Yeah. But not for all clients | 04:51 |
| morganfainberg | Might be a moderate savings where only session is needed. | 04:52 |
| morganfainberg | OSC will net a wash. | 04:52 |
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| dtroyer | that timeit import test fdoesn't even actually instantiate any of the stuff OSC dynamically loads, like all of the clients | 04:53 |
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| dtroyer | so yeah, it'lll was for anything using a non-identity client | 04:53 |
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| morganfainberg | Expect a net wash regardless. Unless we rewrite in c against libcurl were hitting Python-isms. In my opinion. | 04:55 |
| dtroyer | exactly. and the only way to reduce this time is to eliminate the need to load so frixking much stuff | 04:55 |
| morganfainberg | Yanno. Libcurl could be worse ideas. | 04:56 |
| dtroyer | I'd be happy to finish my go client. can you distract vishy for me for a couple of weeks? | 04:56 |
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| morganfainberg | I could probably distract vishy but you'd probably be unhappy with how I'd distract him :P | 04:57 |
| morganfainberg | Cause it wouldn't net you spare time *shiftyeyes* | 04:58 |
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| dtroyer | the sad thing, all this work isn't going to make user experiences that much better. and never will fix installing these clients on windows | 04:59 |
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| clarkb | are there major issues with that other than say lxml? | 05:00 |
| clarkb | install on windows | 05:00 |
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| dtroyer | pyopenssl, other c binaries required. general packaging | 05:00 |
| dtroyer | plus, which runtime? | 05:01 |
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| clarkb | I thought lxml was the only thing that needed C last I looked | 05:02 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: don't hurt me lxml is a pita :( | 05:02 |
| clarkb | (which is why I wanted to kill it) | 05:02 |
| morganfainberg | Help me kill it. Plz. | 05:02 |
| dtroyer | when I last did that ~18 months ago, I think I needed to find at least three binary packages that matched the runtime to do the install | 05:02 |
| morganfainberg | Actually that is on my list to kill. | 05:03 |
| dstufft | You could probably make things import faster by not pulling things from pkg_resources | 05:03 |
| dtroyer | this is all pre-wheels | 05:03 |
| dstufft | and instead bake the version number into the thing at sdist build time | 05:03 |
| dstufft | e.g. just generate a .py file or something | 05:03 |
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| dtroyer | dstufft: agreed. that seems to take a non-trivial amount of our load time | 05:03 |
| morganfainberg | dstufft: fair point. | 05:03 |
| dtroyer | but still, shaving three tenths to still wait for 1-2 seconds anyway? I have other interesting things to do | 05:04 |
| dstufft | importing pkg_resources walks the entire sys.path, IIRC y'all don't use console script wrappers because of how heavy the pkg_resources import is | 05:04 |
| dstufft | (which is kind of funny if you then go and trigger a pkg_resources in __init__.py anyways) | 05:05 |
| morganfainberg | dstufft: we do so much with entrypoints I don't think there is a big win to be had there. | 05:05 |
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| morganfainberg | And we consciously moved down that path. | 05:05 |
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| dstufft | it wouldn't be very hard to make an entrypoints library that didn't rely on pkg_resources, though at some point you pretty much have to walk the sys.path for entry points, but you'd still cut out the import time walking | 05:06 |
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| morganfainberg | dtroyer: you have me wondering if we would see a real benefit if we had a nice framework to result in portable c/c++ clients | 05:06 |
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| clarkb | portable C lol | 05:07 |
| dstufft | You probably don't want to rely on C for the clients | 05:07 |
| dtroyer | agreed on that too | 05:07 |
| dstufft | even though openstacksdk techincally already does :( because oslo.utils pulls in netifaces | 05:07 |
| dstufft | but that can be fixed | 05:07 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: shh. I worked for a game company that did a lot of Linux / windows portability. | 05:07 |
| dtroyer | go, pascal (shows my age), anything that produces a static or near-static binary | 05:07 |
| morganfainberg | It's amazing how well it works if you spend a bit of time early on. | 05:08 |
| dstufft | If you have pure Python you can pretty easily make a "binary" that only relies on Python being installed ahead of time | 05:08 |
| morganfainberg | Sorry Linux/Mac/windows portability. | 05:08 |
| dtroyer | dstufft: I tried that with OSC during our first shark week. entry points kills us dead there. | 05:09 |
| dstufft | (and there are things you can do to remove the need to have Python pre-installed on Windows too, which leaves OSX and Linux) | 05:09 |
| morganfainberg | dtroyer: I only was thinking c/c++ for the benefit of libcurl. Cause I don't want wrappers. But I admit I have ignored go | 05:09 |
| dstufft | dtroyer: you didn't have me :) As I recall there's nothing stopping entry points from working | 05:09 |
| morganfainberg | dstufft: os x is useless in Python land. They have so many badly dated libs in ways brew can't fix it. :( | 05:10 |
| dstufft | morganfainberg: meh, system Python would work fine for a "static" client binary | 05:10 |
| clarkb | I dunno if its not abi incompatibility its compiler differences or its arch differences and thats just one version of linux | 05:10 |
| morganfainberg | So anything that has any c binding has a 50/50 and getting worse chance of working. | 05:10 |
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| dstufft | oh you mean for C things | 05:11 |
| morganfainberg | I'm about to write os x off as a worse desktop to write code for than windows. | 05:11 |
| dstufft | yea C is bad, sometimes you need it, but you make htings a lot harder for people | 05:11 |
| clarkb | I really enjoy C but its not my choice for portable anything | 05:11 |
| morganfainberg | If you aren't using objective c they don't care. And that is sad. | 05:11 |
| dstufft | morganfainberg: heh, I use OS X fulltime, but pyenv Python instead of system python, and homebrew all the things | 05:11 |
| morganfainberg | dstufft: I was hard core os x fanboy (I still use a 15" MBP) but Yosemite has made me want something else. | 05:12 |
| clarkb | its great for making airplane radios or brewery controllers though | 05:12 |
| morganfainberg | The oss libs are bad. | 05:12 |
| morganfainberg | And I rely on them a lot. And brew only is fixing 60% now. And each release is getting worse. | 05:13 |
| dstufft | morganfainberg: I just install new versions of them with homebrew *shrug*, at least the UX more or less works | 05:13 |
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| dstufft | (I don't *like* any OS, I just hate them less :D) | 05:13 |
| dtroyer | dstufft: sounds like you haven't tried VMS? | 05:14 |
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| morganfainberg | I'm starting to think Linux is a better desktop. Maybe mordred's views are making more sense because apple has been making my life less fun. Also the bugs in their basic software. God. Mail is broken. Among other things. | 05:14 |
| dstufft | morganfainberg: last time I tried Linux was when I still hated Apple more than I hated Linux on the desktop heh | 05:15 |
| dstufft | I switched from Windows to Linux, I lasted about a month before i tossed my ~$2k computer and bought a new ~$4k computer :V | 05:15 |
| morganfainberg | Now I just need a machine that matches: 16gb ram, high-res ips display, 1tb ssd, 12" or smaller form factor, non-crappy plastic case, and a real processor for 8-12hrs of life. | 05:16 |
| clarkb | join us :) | 05:16 |
| morganfainberg | I was so hopeful at the 12" macbook with Linux on it. Then I saw core-m and was sad. | 05:16 |
| dtroyer | I just want a scratch pad that doesn't suck | 05:16 |
| dstufft | I'm "lucky" at least in that I basically only use a non-laptop as my primary machine | 05:16 |
| clarkb | linux is not without warts but you replace them with other warts | 05:17 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: if I can find a machine that meets my needs I'm over to Linux. | 05:17 |
| morganfainberg | Sold. Done. Problem is finding the hardware. I can't sacrifice the MBP yet, so I need something else to start. | 05:17 |
| clarkb | the new lenovos are pretty nice | 05:18 |
| StevenK | morganfainberg: I want an X series with 16 or 32G | 05:18 |
| StevenK | Then I would be totally sold | 05:18 |
| morganfainberg | 13" MBP with Linux is looking like the best bet, but.. It's not there. | 05:18 |
| clarkb | but only 8gb ram which is partly an intel problem aiui | 05:18 |
| nibalizer | morganfainberg: i've had the mba with linux | 05:18 |
| dstufft | clarkb: heh, Linux kept having xorg peg my CPU once every 2-3 hours, requiring me to kill xorg (which broke all the things, requiring a reboot). Then a reboot cause dme to have to force my intel NIC to use a different driver or I got bandwidth measured in bits. The bug tracker told me to custom compile xorg with some patch and I said "f this" and bought my iMac | 05:18 |
| morganfainberg | StevenK: dude yes. Not just yes but <curse word> yes. | 05:18 |
| nibalizer | not actually very good | 05:18 |
| StevenK | morganfainberg: YES | 05:18 |
| dstufft | having to reboot my computer every 3 hours sucked | 05:18 |
| nibalizer | super bad battery life because the drivers in linux aren't any good | 05:19 |
| morganfainberg | StevenK: even 16gb and new 4-channel PCI ssd | 05:19 |
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| clarkb | dstufft niw you can wayland/mir | 05:19 |
| StevenK | Yup | 05:19 |
| clarkb | dstufft different warts | 05:19 |
| StevenK | I'm hoping Skylake will fix it | 05:19 |
| morganfainberg | StevenK: sadly I am not hopeful | 05:19 |
| StevenK | I'm not either | 05:19 |
| StevenK | But I can dream | 05:19 |
| morganfainberg | StevenK: actually I want the new Google chrome pixel but with a real storage option. | 05:20 |
| StevenK | Not interested. | 05:20 |
| StevenK | I want some actual compute power :-P | 05:20 |
| morganfainberg | Dude I'd install Linux and lose chromeos | 05:20 |
| morganfainberg | It's an i7 | 05:20 |
| morganfainberg | 16gb of ram | 05:20 |
| morganfainberg | Just 64gb of crappy ssd | 05:20 |
| morganfainberg | And afaict not upgradable. | 05:21 |
| StevenK | Oh, I keep forgetting about the Pixel | 05:21 |
| clarkb | soldered | 05:21 |
| clarkb | ya not upgradeable | 05:21 |
| dstufft | clarkb: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/31714.html has some thoughts that match mine (and some that don't) | 05:21 |
| morganfainberg | If they offered real ssd options like 4channel PCI ssd at 512gb or 1tb I'd buy one tomorrow. | 05:21 |
| morganfainberg | But they opted for crap for storage cause chrome | 05:22 |
| morganfainberg | $1200 for 64gb of ssd is worse than a core-m processor | 05:22 |
| StevenK | Cannonlake is going to be *very* interesting, thinking about Skylake. | 05:23 |
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| dstufft | What I really want is the iMac with the 5k display :3 but $$$ | 05:24 |
| clarkb | dstufft ya I recognize I am weird but I linux all the things just fine with a diverse set of hardware. though most slightly older. hell even my brother runs it now and upgrades without help | 05:25 |
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| clarkb | the only major hiccup I have had recently was intel wireless nic would kill atheros wap | 05:25 |
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| StevenK | Hm | 05:26 |
| morganfainberg | dstufft: wait for thunderbolt 3 otherwise you can't use it as a target as thunderbolt 2 doesn't have then bandwidth for 5k (why we don't have retina thunderbolt displays) | 05:26 |
| StevenK | This Ivy Bridge desktop is probably getting close to 3 years old | 05:26 |
| dstufft | morganfainberg: my 2011 iMac still works fine, so I probably won't be getting one anytime soon, I just want one | 05:27 |
| morganfainberg | I almost got one. Hell I might get a new MacBook if people show core-m on linux can work with that hardware. I was ultraportable now. But a non sucky one and the x-1 is too big with crappy ram. | 05:28 |
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| StevenK | dstufft: I keep thinking of http://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/aw-twenty-dollars-i-wanted-a-peanut-twenty-dollars-can-buy/ | 05:28 |
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| dstufft | lol | 05:29 |
| * morganfainberg is probably going to get a 13" MBP, send it to colorware to rip out the apple logo, and install Linux on it. | 05:29 | |
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| morganfainberg | StevenK: any word on if broadwell i5/i7 are any good? | 05:30 |
| morganfainberg | I just haven't seen much info on them. | 05:30 |
| clarkb | its hit and miss | 05:31 |
| clarkb | I think long answer is yes if you like battery life no if you want to zoom zoom | 05:31 |
| clarkb | er short answer | 05:31 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb: don't get me wrong I like cloud resources but that is lame :( | 05:33 |
| StevenK | What about desktop Broadwell? | 05:33 |
| clarkb | have those arrived yet? | 05:33 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: iirc yes. | 05:33 |
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| morganfainberg | But very new. | 05:34 |
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| StevenK | Wikipedia for Broadwell only shows U processors | 05:35 |
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| StevenK | Desktop processors tend to have more like 45W TDP, not 15-28 | 05:36 |
| morganfainberg | StevenK: I might be wrong I'm willing to admit it ;). I thought I saw some out. | 05:36 |
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| StevenK | Broadwell K processors should be out this quarter. Broadwell-E is Q3 this year | 05:39 |
| StevenK | Oh, delayed until mid 2015 | 05:40 |
| StevenK | Just in time for Skylake :-P | 05:40 |
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| dtroyer | jogo: https://review.openstack.org/164091 should get OSC's —timing close, although jamielennox will still hate it as much as he did last time ;) Maybe I can make it pretty in the morning | 06:38 |
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| kibad | I meant using openstack logs | 10:09 |
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| ttx | jeblair: I was wondering what exactly we should discuss on the new projects application section. You deferred some topics so I don't want to overrule your decisions on that | 15:18 |
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| jeblair | oh hi | 15:20 |
| ttx | jeblair: in absolute terms we have https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee, but some topics have been deferred last meeting, and some others shouold be (not enough time) | 15:20 |
| jeblair | ttx: my main goal was to avoid talking about magnum again | 15:20 |
| ttx | so we could delay 7 and 9 and discuss 6 and 8 ? | 15:21 |
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| jeblair | ttx: because we're having too much of a meta-discussion. i think people are generally okay with magnum and i don't want them to feel there is an undue negative focus. | 15:21 |
| jeblair | ttx: that sounds good. i do think we should talk about at least one new project though; openstackclient will be fine | 15:22 |
| ttx | jeblair: ok, fixing | 15:22 |
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| ttx | jeblair: in related news, I approved the things that were discussed and got enough YES | 15:23 |
| ttx | That doesn't include https://review.openstack.org/159930 (IRC policies) yet | 15:23 |
| ttx | though I'm comfortable approving it now if you can get a 7th | 15:24 |
| jeblair | :/ the amendment lost some votes | 15:24 |
| ttx | (and therefore remove it from the docket for next week) | 15:24 |
| jeblair | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159930/ | 15:24 |
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| jeblair | sdague: you were +1 on that before the ammendment (and were also +1 on the ammendment); would you mind re-adding your vote? :) | 15:25 |
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| elarson | btw, if anyone was on the edge of their seat regarding a flake8 config, I got wise and copied the tox.ini config to my .config/flake8... duh | 15:32 |
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| sdague | jeblair: yep, with the rationale, I'm happily +1 on it now | 15:33 |
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| ttx | approval in the pipe | 15:34 |
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| sdague | elarson: realize that most projects have different flake8 configs (different rules they ignore) | 15:34 |
| sdague | elarson: I built this to address those differences (and integrate into emacs) - https://github.com/sdague/fly-hack | 15:35 |
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| sdague | jeblair: fyi, that code might be of interest to you as well | 15:36 |
| sdague | as one of the few other visible emacs people :) | 15:37 |
| elarson | sdague: ah cool. I'll take a look! | 15:37 |
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| elarson | sdague, jeblair: not sure if you guys use magit-gerrit, but if you ever try it out I wrote a quick blog about setting it up http://ionrock.org/2015/03/05/setting_up_magit_gerrit_in_emacs.html | 15:38 |
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| elarson | sdague, jeblair: I also wrote a lodgeit pastebin package https://github.com/ionrock/lodgeit-el | 15:39 |
| * elarson is still waiting for that to be accepted to melpa | 15:39 | |
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| sdague | elarson: oh, so be careful, I might ask you for elisp help. :) | 15:41 |
| sdague | my elisp is terrible | 15:42 |
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| elarson | sdague: my elisp is terrible too! but I'm hoping to get better, so ask away :) | 15:42 |
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| sdague | over the weekend hopefully I'll get my run tests for openstack project lib into a working state, I'll post that and probably ask for your help to make it less terrible | 15:43 |
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| jeblair | elarson: oh neat, if i'd known about that a year ago i might have used it; my elisp isn't nearly good enough to write that though, so i wrote gertty instead: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gertty | 15:44 |
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| elarson | jeblair: I had planned on using gertty if I couldn't sort out magit-gerrit | 15:44 |
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| flashgordon | ttx: why don't I have power to WIP my own patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162789/1 | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | flashgordon: normals like us don't have permissions to do anything on governance: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/openstack/governance,access | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | it looks like only ttx can wip it | 17:13 |
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| ttx | yeah, it's a bit weird | 17:13 |
| clarkb | flashgordon: mtreinish in particular the workflow permissions are marked exclusive there, so you need to have an explicit allow for change owner to -1 | 17:14 |
| clarkb | the all-projects acl does ^ but any exclsive acls override that | 17:14 |
| ttx | That sounds like a thing owners should be able to do | 17:14 |
| ttx | flashgordon: while the ACL gets fixed, I consider anything prefixed [WIP] as not being up for TC consideration/vote just yet | 17:15 |
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| flashgordon | ttx: ahh, that is a lot more cumbersome then just fixing the ACLs | 17:15 |
| flashgordon | anteaya: btw. I looked over your election tooling etherpad, and it looks really good! | 17:16 |
| anteaya | flashgordon: thank you | 17:16 |
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| flashgordon | anteaya: one thing for the openstack namespace though, after elections we update the governance repo with the results | 17:17 |
| flashgordon | (who current PTLs are) | 17:17 |
| flashgordon | so maybe the elections stuff just goes into governance? just an idea I want to throw out there | 17:17 |
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| anteaya | flashgordon: the governance repo acl has no space for access by the world | 17:18 |
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| anteaya | flashgordon: the repo in quetions needs to have acl access like a sandbox to accomodate the world | 17:19 |
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| anteaya | flashgordon: this is one of the motivations for creating new tooling in the first place | 17:19 |
| anteaya | accomodating the world | 17:19 |
| anteaya | because hey isn't that what we are expected to be doing? | 17:20 |
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| flashgordon | ahh yeah the sandbox clause, why not just have the election officials do the merging to he candidate page as a sign they pass the candidate rules | 17:20 |
| flashgordon | anyway just wondering, the etherpad looks great as si | 17:20 |
| flashgordon | is | 17:20 |
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| flashgordon | oh I see you answered that question | 17:21 |
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| anteaya | yes | 17:21 |
| anteaya | thanks for reading that far | 17:21 |
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| ttx | flashgordon: I could mark it WIP but then I'm not sure you could unWIP it | 17:23 |
| flashgordon | If there are more then one candidates for a specific PTL, where do the candidates explain their platform? | 17:23 |
| ttx | and I'd rather not block it | 17:23 |
| flashgordon | ttx: or just fix the ACLs? | 17:23 |
| ttx | flashgordon: sure, if that can be done quickly | 17:23 |
| anteaya | flashgordon: the self nomination file acts like a replacement for the nomination email | 17:23 |
| anteaya | in the current process, the nomination email is linked from the wikipage | 17:24 |
| anteaya | in the new process a confirmed candidate would have their file linked from the index page of the page for that election | 17:25 |
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| flashgordon | ahh nice, the details that a candidate submits a file with their platform etc. could be made more explicit in the etherpad | 17:27 |
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| anteaya | well since that is the current workflow, and the ehterpad is about differences to the current workflow, it never crossed my mind | 17:29 |
| anteaya | flashgordon: but it being an etherpad you are welcome to expand any point doesn't come across clearly for you | 17:29 |
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| flashgordon | anteaya: added a comment. | 17:34 |
| anteaya | flashgordon: thank you | 17:34 |
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