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| skraynev | sdague: ping | 14:27 |
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| sdague | skraynev: what's up? | 14:29 |
| skraynev | sdague: there is one question related to comment for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86978/. How long time do need for dependent changes ? | 14:29 |
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| sdague | skraynev: did you see the mailing list post? | 14:30 |
| skraynev | sdague: looking, but I do not see any dates :) | 14:30 |
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| skraynev | or may be I missed something... | 14:31 |
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| sdague | when Liberty development begins | 14:32 |
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| sdague | so not until the Kilo release is basically done | 14:33 |
| skraynev | sdague: yeah. My fault | 14:33 |
| skraynev | "Now I found it I think all of this is probably a Liberty timeline, ..." | 14:34 |
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| skraynev | I have not known that It's name of new release :) | 14:34 |
| sdague | no problem, I know that heat change has been around for a long time. So I'll use that as the example to build the modular support here. | 14:35 |
| skraynev | sdague: \o/ sounds good. | 14:35 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jogo: ping | 16:59 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: pong | 17:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | Hey jogo, the os-ansible-deployment project was updating to the latest stable/juno release and we noticed https://github.com/openstack/requirements/commit/499db6b64071c2afa16390ad2bc024e6a96db4ff#diff-d7d5c6fa7118ea10d88f3afeaef4da77R126 which seems really odd to have !=2.4.0 in there while it's <=2.2.1 | 17:39 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Is there a reason the upper limit on requests was chosen to be so low? (Also there are other upper-limits that were chosen where it ends up just being a pin instead of a range, which I wonder if we want to change just for simplicity's sake for downstream redistributors like zigo ) | 17:40 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: great question. Do you want to move this to the ML so the answer is easier to find? | 17:41 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: as I am sure others will have the same questions | 17:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | jogo: sure | 17:41 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I'm bad at tags, suggested tags for this? | 17:41 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: hmm not sure, [stable]? | 17:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | [stable][requirements] seems fair | 17:42 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: the really short answer is anything that didn't have an upper bound got a cap set to the currently installed version | 17:42 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: and the logic I used was very naive | 17:42 |
| jogo | if n cap, add cap | 17:43 |
| jogo | append cap* | 17:43 |
| jogo | so technically the !2.4.0 isn't needed but it isn't hurting anything is it? | 17:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | Okay, because we were clearly at least testing 2.4.1 and it seemed odd to cap so low | 17:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | jogo: well I know zigo has explained part of his process in the past and he looks at the requirements in g-r.txt so given the fact some of us were confused by that, I wouldn't be surprised to have downstream complaining at us soon too | 17:44 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Also, with recent changes in how pip works, I wouldn't be surprised if some of downstream were uncertain how a range like >=0.2.0,<=0.2.0 might work even though it works exactly the same after pip 6 as before | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I'm less concerned with the actual values, and more with the clarity that those version specifiers should be providing but aren't | 17:45 |
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| dvorak | err, how is that different than == 0.2.0 ? | 17:45 |
| * sigmavirus24 is also happy to send a change which makes some of these more explicit than implicit | 17:45 | |
| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: that's exactly what it actually is | 17:45 |
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| dvorak | why would it be specified that way then? | 17:47 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: so the pinning of stable really changes what g-r means for downstream stable IMHO | 17:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: because of the way the upper caps were generated :) | 17:47 |
| jogo | dvorak: because this worked and the logic to do that was more complex, so there was a greater risk of getting it wrong | 17:48 |
| dvorak | ah, I see. I hadn't followed the link so I was missing context | 17:48 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: we are essentially saying, upstream isn't testing stable/* with new deps as they come out | 17:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | jogo: so the cruft that's in there and the version specifiers that equate to pinning shouldn't be removed/made more explicit | 17:48 |
| jogo | we are not saying it won't work with newer ones. just we don't know | 17:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | jogo: except that I know downstream relies partially on g-r to determine what is safe to package | 17:49 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: not sure. it would be good to get zigo's thoughts on this | 17:49 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: well so here is the change in reality: | 17:49 |
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| sigmavirus24 | For example, when requests-kerberos released a CVE fix that made the lowest acceptable version 0.5.1 or 0.6.0 (or whatever it was) zigo couldn't backport that exact version and so we didn't change stable/icehouse (or stable/juno i forget which) to use that version | 17:50 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: we don't want to float the upper bounds of the deps on stable because it means we risk breaking the world when a new dep is released | 17:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | jogo: no I get that 100% | 17:50 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: if stable-maint wants to bump the caps and test to make sure things don't break | 17:50 |
| jogo | that wound be super awesome | 17:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | if we're not testing it though, we're effectively not supporting it and by telling downstream they can support whatever version they want, users will expect us to support it (which is why I think zigo choose to package the dependencies the way he does) | 17:51 |
| jogo | but we are moving the responsibility to stable-maint to test things and raise the caps. instead of having !stable-maint people fixing 'the world broke' every other day | 17:52 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: correct | 17:52 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: IMHO this is an issue stable-maint needs to resolve | 17:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | jogo: yeah and I totally appreciate how it makes everyone's lives better | 17:52 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: well it makes more work for stable-maint so maybe not there life | 17:52 |
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| sigmavirus24 | well it means they don't have to scramble the cores everytime something breaks | 17:53 |
| jogo | but yeah, we made this change pretty quickly and not everyone realized the implications | 17:53 |
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| sigmavirus24 | yeah, | 17:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm writing the email at the moment. | 17:53 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: thanks! | 17:54 |
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| dvorak | so, I just happened to look over at this channel, and as an operator this is all new to me. Where do the discussions for when to bump those versions occur? | 17:54 |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: my goal in all this was to make stable branches break in the gate less -- which means i don't have to fix them as much. | 17:55 |
| dvorak | and does this apply to master branches? | 17:55 |
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| jogo | dvorak: not sure, stable-maint needs to set some process up | 17:55 |
| jogo | dvorak: no | 17:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: on gerrit typically | 17:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | where gerrit == review.openstack.org | 17:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | You'll have to use the search to find project:openstack/requirements | 17:56 |
| jogo | dvorak: for master branches we accept the risk of floating deps because otherwise we easily end up requiring very old dep versions | 17:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jogo: no I totally get it. And I wholly appreciate that you did that. I'm just thinking back to conversations I've witnessed/participated in with zigo as a downstream and wanted to see if I could help him out since he won't let me help him package anything | 17:57 |
| dvorak | yeah, that seems fair. I'm asking mostly because we've been tracking some changes to oslo messaging that we'd like to pull in, but we're not sure how much that'll break things. This has been really helpful | 17:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | zigo: basically does all of debian on his own so if I can help, I want to | 17:57 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: maybe send the email to -ops as well? | 17:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | jogo: already CC'd =D | 17:58 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: excellent | 17:58 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Annnnd /sent | 18:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Thanks jogo | 18:02 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: thanks | 18:02 |
| * sigmavirus24 waits for this to start another flamewar about requests vendoring urllib3 | 18:02 | |
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| jogo | sigmavirus24: so the other day I looked up how golang recommends to do dependencies and they say vendoring | 18:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | well their packaging is basically "provide a github URL and we'll clone whatever version we find there" | 18:03 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/PackageManagementTools hehe | 18:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | which means you have to rebuild your env every 10 min to make sure what your'e testing is what someone else will test | 18:04 |
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| jogo | right, which is why you vendor | 18:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jogo: note that in the last flamewar, I never said I liked it, just that it wasn't my decision and calling me a horrible person wasn't going to make a difference in the outcome | 18:04 |
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| dvorak | sigmavirus24: except that they also provide a way of doing revision locking | 18:05 |
| jogo | sigmavirus24: hehe, I ignored that thread because I want to stay for away from the packaging quagmire | 18:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also oslo.requests can be a thing if people want it but openstack not using requests isn't going to change anyone's mind so threats of switching off of it won't help | 18:05 |
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| dvorak | it sounds like it works similar to ruby's Bundler | 18:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: that must be fairly recent because there have been countless "war stories" about how no one can get a project to work because no one knew what version had been checked out on the original devs machine | 18:06 |
| dvorak | well, you can have that problem with bundler too, if the Gemfile.lock isn't checked in | 18:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also Bundler has a bad reputation but I had only a few problems with it when I was a rails consultant | 18:06 |
| dvorak | and the Gemfile isn't specified very closely | 18:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: which it should never be if it's a gem but if it's an app oh god you're evil if you don't | 18:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | hehe | 18:07 |
| dvorak | We use it for all the puppet CI testing. We don't check in the Gemfile.lock, but we control the deps pretty closely too | 18:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also dependency management is why things like requires.io are so popular | 18:07 |
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| dvorak | on stable branches we usually lock the Gemfile down to only bugfix releases, and that usually works | 18:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also, yes, I totally understand from a downstream redistributor POV why vendoring is so evil | 18:08 |
| dvorak | by Puppet CI testing, I mean the stackforge puppet modules | 18:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | ah yeah | 18:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I was about to be very impressed that you worked on upstream puppet and openstack | 18:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | You just robbed yourself of a lot of respect dvorak =P | 18:08 |
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| dvorak | heh. My direct puppet work is mostly limited to modules :) | 18:09 |
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| dvorak | I'm also interested in this because I'm reworking the designate puppet module to support deploying from virtualenvs instead of upstream packaging, and upstream packaging being slow or old is part of the reason for that. | 18:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: so someone in the Python community just released a tool so you can distribute virtualenvs as if they were packages | 18:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Which may also be of interest to you | 18:12 |
| dvorak | Well, I know about giftwrap, which does it specifically for openstack | 18:12 |
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| sigmavirus24 | http://platter.pocoo.org/dev/ is what I was thinking of | 18:13 |
| dvorak | sigmavirus24: giftwrap (https://github.com/blueboxgroup/giftwrap) takes project names and a git ref, and then downloads the gate logs to find the pip freeze output, then builds a virtual env with exactly those packages, and spits out a deb or an rpm | 18:15 |
| dvorak | it's pretty slick | 18:15 |
| dvorak | however, I think I'm more likely to get people to buy into virtualenvs than a specific packaging tool | 18:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | interesting | 18:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | platter is basically just some extra niceness around virtualenvs for distribution and such | 18:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's also something used by Fireteam which does (apparently) huge deployments with it | 18:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | so | 18:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | *shrug* | 18:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | I haven't tested it, but I suspect it works okay | 18:17 |
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| dvorak | nod, I think it seems like a good approach | 18:17 |
| dvorak | the big problem with the puppet modules with any of these tools is that there are a lot of assumptions that you're going to be using vendor packages | 18:18 |
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| dvorak | sigmavirus24: are you Ian? | 18:18 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: yes, I am Ian | 18:58 |
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| dvorak | ah, ok, I had just gotten your email when I asked that, it seemed like a big coincidence :) | 19:37 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dvorak: no I figured that was the reason =P | 19:58 |
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| zzzeek | can someone tell me what devstack is trying to do here, it’s looping around trying to get a fedora VM , and continues to fail with this odd “read error” message: http://paste.openstack.org/show/175483/ endlessly looping | 21:36 |
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| sigmavirus24 | zzzeek: any other context from the output of stack.sh? | 21:42 |
| zzzeek | there was an odd stack trace in the screen session, im just running again and it may have gotten past that part, not sure | 21:42 |
| zzzeek | it was an eventlet/greenio stack trace :) it doesnt like me now | 21:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | that's what you get for writing blog posts about asyncio | 21:43 |
| zzzeek | yup | 21:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | hey, at least eventlet didn't go after your knee caps like the mob would have | 21:43 |
| linuxhermit | haha | 21:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | benevolent greenio for life | 21:44 |
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| linuxhermit | any idea how review stackanalytics things? | 21:55 |
| linuxhermit | s/how/who | 21:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | linuxhermit: how do you mean? | 21:56 |
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| linuxhermit | so I have a change for stackforge/stackanalytics default_json | 21:58 |
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| linuxhermit | but it looks like there are a few of them out there | 21:58 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Ah | 21:59 |
| linuxhermit | maybe just abandoned ones | 21:59 |
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| linuxhermit | gotta read dates closer | 21:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I typically go to https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/stackforge/stackalytics and then look at "Access" to find who has core access (https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/183,members) | 22:00 |
| linuxhermit | excellend | 22:00 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: hey ya... wondering if anybody has ever proposed/thought about adding a timeout options to oslo_concurrency/processutils.execute ? | 22:00 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: or if ther'e something I'm not thinking of that makes it a "horrible" idea :) | 22:01 |
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| dhellmann | jgriffith: to kill the process if it hangs? | 22:02 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: yes | 22:02 |
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| dhellmann | it might be tricky to do that -- we call communicate(), and that blocks | 22:02 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: so like maybe: process.poll() until kwargs: timeout | 22:02 |
| jgriffith | oh | 22:02 |
| jgriffith | dang it | 22:02 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it could be done, but would be a sort of big change | 22:03 |
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| dhellmann | what's the use case you have in mind? | 22:03 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: not sure ther'e enough value in it | 22:03 |
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| jgriffith | dhellmann: well, I'm beating my head against these LVM commands that can take 170+ seconds | 22:03 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: I'm playing with some ideas on how to detect/recover those scenarios | 22:03 |
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| dhellmann | what would happen if we killed one of those commands while it was running? | 22:04 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: that's what i wanted to find out :) | 22:04 |
| dhellmann | would it stop and rollback, or leave something half complete, or -- heh, ok | 22:04 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: TBH it might not let you kill it | 22:04 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I would think that would take a -9 | 22:04 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: yeah, and now that I think about it I don't want to introduce that | 22:05 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: maybe if I have some data to show it's useful | 22:05 |
| dhellmann | there's a big chance of leaving a zombie | 22:05 |
| jgriffith | but after this brief conversation it seem smore and more like a bad idea | 22:05 |
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| jgriffith | ok... moving along :) | 22:05 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, and we could consider building a different API that returns the popen object or something, so you could deal with it on your own (and rebuild execute on top of that) | 22:06 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: thanks for the chat | 22:06 |
| dhellmann | jgriffith: any time :-) | 22:06 |
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| jgriffith | dhellmann: FWIW I like your last suggestion there MUCH better | 22:06 |
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| dhellmann | jgriffith: yeah, it sounds like you have some cases that may be better handled directly -- we would just need to be careful you didn't rebuild execute() yourself :-) | 22:11 |
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| jgriffith | dhellmann: yeah, I think if I go this route (and the more I look at it the less interested I am) I'd do somethign like you suggested | 22:12 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: even add an option to the exsting putils to return the handle | 22:12 |
| jgriffith | and just be done with that way | 22:12 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: but I just ran a test on it and it's not trivial to kill it it turns out | 22:12 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: so it's likely not going to buy me anything | 22:13 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: and despite my theory, all subsequent calls are hung up also | 22:13 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: trying to figure out if it's a locking problem in LVM or something | 22:13 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: but I'm not very experienced with reading strace output | 22:13 |
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| dhellmann | ah, yeah, if you have a lock inside the lvm subsystem somewhere killing the client call isn't going to do a lot of good | 22:14 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: yeah, and I *think* that might be part of what's going on | 22:15 |
| jgriffith | :( | 22:15 |
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| dhellmann | jgriffith: I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn you're right | 22:19 |
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| sdague | jgriffith: so don't most of those LVM commands go into a D state though ? | 22:34 |
| sdague | I thought it was mostly the pvscan discovery race that was hurting us | 22:34 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: I feel like we need a tie breaker opinion here for requirements - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155182/ | 22:36 |
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| sdague | because my inclination is to pull python-openstackclient out of g-r, and the proposed patch is to have devstack install the version from g-r | 22:37 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: I may agree with you, but we should write up the reasoning somewhere other than these review comments. IIRC, the last time this came up we said we would use OSC for "outside" testing and the project-specific clients for communicating between them. I'm not sure all projects got that message, though, and it's not clear how far down that path we are. | 22:55 |
| sdague | so, no projects include it | 22:55 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I realize that | 22:55 |
| sdague | ok | 22:55 |
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| dhellmann | what I mean is, you and I and dtroyer have this vision for what we want to happen, and a few others may share it, but it's not written up anywhere | 22:56 |
| sdague | actually dtroyer and I disagree on this point, which is why I wanted you to weigh in | 22:56 |
| dhellmann | if we assume that vision is true, then the real question is whether projects would want to adopt the sdk, not the osc | 22:56 |
| dhellmann | because none of the projects should be using command line tools to talk to the other services :-) | 22:56 |
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| dhellmann | I'd have to think about the testing relationships between these things, too | 22:57 |
| sdague | agreed | 22:57 |
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| dhellmann | but I think you're probably right that devstack should just manage its own version of the osc, since it doesn't look like it would ever be appropriate for the services to use that | 22:58 |
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| dhellmann | sorry, I'm probably retreading known ground, but I'm also deep in review comments on the asyncio spec and it's taking a bit to context switch :-) | 22:59 |
| dhellmann | sdague: his comment about a consistent place to specify requirements is interesting, too, but we are already overloading the requirements list for several purposes | 23:00 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: right, agreed, and I kind of want to stop that | 23:01 |
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| * dtroyer just catching up | 23:02 | |
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| dhellmann | sdague: commented with a -1 | 23:03 |
| dtroyer | I'm ok with pulling osc from g-r if that's the other-than-me consensus. having the version pin in devstack was a temporary hack, I should look at a way to make it cleaner… | 23:03 |
| sdague | dtroyer: I was trying to figure out where dhellmann stood on python-openstackclient | 23:03 |
| sdague | in g-r | 23:03 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I have the alternative pov up here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155991/ | 23:04 |
| sdague | which is the remove | 23:04 |
| dhellmann | sdague: maybe we should move some of the stuff from the requirements README to a cross-project spec? I can work on that tomorrow if you think it's a good idea. | 23:04 |
| sdague | dhellmann: maybe, I'm unsure if that's just moving deck chairs on the titanic. Like people aren't reading it now, I'm not sure why they'd be more likely to read it there | 23:05 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ok, dtroyer has a warning there about merging it causing issues because of another competing patch from jogo. We should probably all agree on a plan before merging any more patches. | 23:05 |
| dhellmann | sdague: because it would be put in front of the PTLs to review it and agree to it. | 23:05 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: right, that's the patch I pointed at originally | 23:05 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: I meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153760/ | 23:06 |
| jgriffith | sdague: TBCH I don't know the anwer to that | 23:06 |
| sdague | oh, right that one | 23:06 |
| dhellmann | oh, and that one depends on the one you did link to | 23:06 |
| dhellmann | so we're safe | 23:06 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, I got to the bottom patch | 23:06 |
| jgriffith | sdague: this is what I'm looking at now: https://gist.github.com/j-griffith/5448723bada6de44de6c | 23:06 |
| jgriffith | that's our culprit | 23:07 |
| dhellmann | it's a shame gerrit isn't smart enough to show depends-on patches as being related | 23:07 |
| jgriffith | need to run it again to see exactly where it's "stuck" | 23:07 |
| dhellmann | sdague, dtroyer : anyway, my vote is to put the requirement in devstack and not worry about the g-r version -- either remove it or leave it alone for now | 23:07 |
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| sdague | jgriffith: does that only happen if the lvms are on a loopback? | 23:08 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: I would have try that and see... that was our original theory though. | 23:09 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I can set that up and check it pretty easily | 23:09 |
| jgriffith | sdague: just takes *time* :) | 23:09 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I'll spin up another setup with that | 23:10 |
| jgriffith | worth looking at again | 23:10 |
| jgriffith | sdague: FWIW we've changed the issue a bit over time | 23:10 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: the lvm.conf change moved some things around and decreased the occurence a good bit it seems | 23:10 |
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| sdague | does this only die when lvm ops are happening the same time as the scan? | 23:11 |
| jgriffith | I'm not certain we're not encountering this in *other* places that use LVM right now | 23:11 |
| sdague | or is this reproducable in a scan loop? | 23:11 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I've never reproduced it outside of Tempest run | 23:12 |
| jgriffith | sdague: even just looping over individual volume tests doesn't repro | 23:12 |
| jgriffith | sdague: also, if I strip down to just Cinder and Nova I don't seem to encounter it either | 23:12 |
| jgriffith | sdague: but I haven't tried that in a while | 23:12 |
| sdague | hmmmm | 23:12 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I would need to verify that behavior again, but in the past that's what I was doing and couldn't reproduce it | 23:13 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: so once "everything" gets tossed in and is using LVM I think there's some contention somewhere on the instance | 23:14 |
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| sdague | hmmm... I thought we got off the loop device in the gate | 23:14 |
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| sdague | did we have a naming issue change that - http://logs.openstack.org/60/153760/7/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/15351aa/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2015-02-13_13_27_40_261 ? | 23:14 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I noticed one of the clouds is, the other is not | 23:14 |
| sdague | yeh, it's a naming change | 23:15 |
| jgriffith | sdague: DOH.. switched back to cinder-volumes when we stopped defaulting to multi-backend maybe? | 23:16 |
| sdague | yeh, looks like | 23:16 |
| jgriffith | that didn't come out right, but you know what I meant :) | 23:16 |
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| sdague | https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/functions.sh#L263 | 23:17 |
| sdague | so, I need to bail and go make dinner, but if you want to try to get all that realigned, that might be helpful | 23:17 |
| sdague | otherwise, will look tomorrow | 23:17 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I'll have a look as soon as I kick off that other run against actual devs | 23:17 |
| jgriffith | oh it's late! | 23:17 |
| sdague | cool, thanks | 23:17 |
| jgriffith | yeah | 23:17 |
| jgriffith | I'll shout at ya later tonight if I get to it when I log back in | 23:18 |
| jgriffith | I'll need to head soon as well | 23:18 |
| jgriffith | sdague: or if you post it let me know so I don't try it :) | 23:18 |
| jgriffith | sdague: thanks for the help | 23:18 |
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| reed | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver you asked for it | 23:38 |
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