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arosenjamielennox: quick question, did you guys ever track down why the token_endpoint auth wasn't working in the osc so that one could by pass keystone if they didn't want to use keystone and wanted to use noauth?01:22
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jamielennoxarosen: so for some reason the token_endpoint plugin doesn't have a setuptools entrypoint01:22
jamielennoxOSC made there own token_endpoint plugin01:22
arosenjamielennox: it's specified in the setup.cfg though?01:23
jamielennoxi'm pretty sure it's just --os-auth-type token_endpoint - maybe they've got it wired up01:23
jamielennoxto not need that01:23
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jamielennoxarosen: it's in the OSC setup.cfg, and unfortunately because of that when i tried to put it in the keystoneclient setup.cfg it now collides and tests fail all over the place01:24
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arosenjamielennox:  If i specify --os-auth-type token_endpoint I get:  --os-auth-type: invalid choice: 'token_endpoint' (choose from 'v2token', 'v2password', 'v3password', 'v3scopedsaml', 'v3unscopedadfs', 'token', 'v3token', 'password', 'v3unscopedsaml')01:24
jamielennoxhmm01:25
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stevemarthats weird, it doesn't seem registered01:25
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jamielennoxstevemar: i know you use it somewhere01:26
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jamielennoxbecause this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150615/01:26
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stevemarjamielennox, agreed, but the error message that arosen posted doesn't have it in included01:27
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jamielennoxarosen: so it doesn't look like you need to specify it: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/api/auth.py#L7001:28
jamielennoxif you provide --os-token and --os-url it will fill --os-auth-type for you, i don't know why its not registered though01:28
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arosenjamielennox:  if you have a sec http://paste.openstack.org/show/171690/01:30
arosenthe command i'm running is at the bottom of the paste.01:30
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jamielennoxi think that ones more up stevemar's alley than mine01:31
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jamielennoxbut   File "/opt/stack/python-congressclient/congressclient/osc/osc_plugin.py", line 38, in make_client01:32
jamielennox    auth_url=instance._auth_url,01:32
stevemarjamielennox, arosen lookin01:32
stevemarjamielennox, oh thats a good find01:32
jamielennoxis a problem - you can't assume that you are going to get --os-auth-url as part of your credentials01:32
jamielennoxis there a reason congressclient wants the auth_url specifically?01:33
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arosenjamielennox:     sorry I got pulled away :/ , to be honest i'm not sure. I guess we shouldn't be using the keystone client here? https://github.com/stackforge/python-congressclient/blob/master/congressclient/osc/osc_plugin.py#L3703:43
jamielennoxarosen: we built congressclient around sessions didn't we?03:44
aroseni can do: if instance.auth_plugin == None: (in this case) to skip around that but I still have a problem because of this I believe: https://github.com/stackforge/python-congressclient/blob/master/congressclient/v1/client.py#L6303:44
arosenjamielennox:  i believe so.03:45
jamielennoxyea, so you shouldn't need to construct that plugin03:45
jamielennoxarosen: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/common/clientmanager.py#L14603:46
jamielennoxso at: https://github.com/stackforge/python-congressclient/blob/master/congressclient/osc/osc_plugin.py#L4303:46
jamielennoxcongress_client(session=instance.session, ...)03:46
jamielennoxand let OSC handle auth for you03:47
jamielennoxthat's a large part of what it's for :)03:47
arosenjamielennox: awesome you rock! That does the trick03:48
arosenthanks03:48
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jamielennoxarosen: no worries03:48
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XacsHi experts. Is there any open development in VDI(Virtual Desktop) on top of openstack?06:07
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Xacs Is there any open development in VDI(Virtual Desktop) on top of openstack?06:21
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XacsI am looking for open source VDI on top of openstack.06:27
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XacsI found StackVDI. Have you ever hear about it? Any success story?07:25
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mordredjamielennox: how does one get the service catalog the "right" way given a keystoneclient session?13:14
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mordredjamielennox: got it13:30
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ryansbSpamapS: how maintaines is sup?19:09
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ryansb#maintained19:17
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greghaynesryansb: not19:20
greghaynesSpamapS: Does that mean writing ruby?19:20
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greghaynesMy hooks before-add hooks file is definitely written in a way that someone who has no ruby-fu writes ruby19:21
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SpamapSgreghaynes: same here. :)19:33
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ryansbdarn. Guess I'll have to keep looking for the right MUA19:45
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greghayneswell, it works mostly19:46
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crobertsrhHas anyone seen a situation where (using devstack with neutron networking), you wind up with a VM that has a correct /etc/resolv.conf, CAN ping those DNS servers, but CAN'T actually do any name resolution?19:47
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ryansbudp traffic filtering may be your problem19:48
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ryansbnever had that situation w/ devstack, but seen that failure mode19:48
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crobertsrhInteresting.  I did add a security rule that I though should prevent that, or are you saying this might be at my real host level?19:49
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ryansbNot sure where precisely, but it could be your nat rules19:50
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sdaguehey, zigo is there any chance you could respin https://packages.debian.org/sid/novnc https://packages.debian.org/sid/python-novnc to have a more minimal dependency set20:30
sdaguethe fact that they drag in nova is sort of problematic20:30
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greghaynesSpamapS: ah, I see now where that repo idea came from ;)21:42
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zigosdague: What do you suggest?21:44
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zigosdague: Also, why is it a problem?21:45
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zigoThere was a bug opened to ask me to relax the dependencies, but I didn't care much about it.21:45
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zigoMaybe I should have.21:45
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sdaguebecause nonvc and python-novnc don't depend on nova21:45
sdaguein reality21:45
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sdaguebut because the packages do, we can't use them in devstack21:46
sdaguewhich I'd really like to do instead of installing novnc from a random github commit21:46
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zigosdague: So, NoVNC can work in standalone, without Nova?21:47
sdagueyes21:47
sdagueit's used by other projects21:47
zigoOk.21:47
zigoFair enough then.21:47
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zigosdague: Also, I had an interesting talk with devananda at the Ironic mid-cycle meeting in Grenoble.21:48
zigoI wanted to have few words about it with you.21:48
zigodevananda told me that currently, the global-requirements.txt is *not* a match for all the dependencies I need to package.21:48
zigoIt's, according to you, only there to maintain consistency across projects.21:48
zigoSo, if there's a project which is alone needing a dependency, then that requirement shouldn't be in global-requirements.txt.21:49
zigosdague: So my question is then: how do I figure out my tomorrow's TODO list?21:49
zigo:)21:49
sdagueso devananda is correct21:49
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sdagueand I don't know :)21:49
zigosdague: He was just telling me what you told him so I am sure you agree ! :)21:49
zigosdague: It'd be nice if there was a list of packages *not* in global-reqs, but still needed by some projects.21:50
zigosdague: Could we make a new file then?21:50
zigoThat would be there just as docs for package maintainers?21:50
sdagueso openstack/ projects can't have direct dependencies not in that list21:51
sdaguethe list is a super set though21:51
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zigoI'm not following.21:51
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sdagueso for this list of projects - https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/projects.txt21:53
zigoYeah, I know that file.21:53
sdagueit is not possible for them to have direct requirements in requirements.txt or test-requirements.txt which are not in21:53
sdaguehttps://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt21:53
sdaguewe enforce that fact21:53
sdaguebut that doesn't mean everything in https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt21:54
sdagueis used by a project21:54
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zigosdague: How about drivers for Ironic then?21:55
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sdagueyeh, it doesn't cover drivers all the time21:55
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zigosdague: For example, how come python-scciclient and python-seamicroclient aren't there?21:55
sdaguebecause ironic didn't put them in test-requirements21:55
sdaguedidn't ask for them21:56
sdaguealso, python-seamicroclient is kind of broken21:56
zigosdague: Clearly, I would need some places were to put them in the requirement git repo.21:56
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sdagueso... bnemec is working on an optional-requirements idea21:56
sdaguethat's probably the right path here21:56
zigosdague: Could we then imagine having an "optional-requirements" ?21:56
zigoYeah, cool ! :)21:56
sdagueyeh, talk with bnemec about that path21:56
zigoWe're on the same page then? :)21:56
zigobnemec: Please *DO IT* ! :)21:57
zigosdague: I'm doing the novnc fix now. Would you like it to be in Jessie, or is Sid enough for you?21:57
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zigosdague: Because I'd prefer to avoid asking an unblock to the Debian release team.21:57
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sdagueso, jessie would be nice if possible, but I'll take whatever I can get21:58
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bnemecActually I dropped the ball over a year ago on the optional requirements thing, but Denis picked it up for me: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153966/21:58
sdagueit will be a while before we can count on those packages, but at least it will be going in the right direction21:58
bnemecWorth noting that there was quite a bit of pushback from infra on the idea.21:59
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bnemecThus a spec for discussion.21:59
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clarkbbnemec: the push back was on diverging further from python expectations22:00
SpamapSI may have instigated some of the fervor.22:00
zigosdague: Uploaded novnc_0.4+dfsg+1+20131010+gitf68af8af3d-3_amd64.changes with python-nova moved from Depends: to Recommends:. It's going to be on your closest debian mirror in a few hours ! :)22:00
SpamapSI recall complaining that it was silly that Heat couldn't run with the default config file becuase kombu wasn't included.22:00
clarkbbnemec: if we do it correctly as dstufft suggested its probably less of an issue, but that requires changes to pbr which no one seemed to original accomodate22:00
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SpamapSThen the qpid folks were like "hey us too!" and I just backed away slowly22:00
clarkbalso I really don't like the idea of optional deps22:01
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clarkbeither you support X or you don't and if that requires additional deps just nstall them22:01
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clarkbiirc even debian installs suggested deps by default now22:01
SpamapSclarkb: I'm with you. Install the world. ;)22:01
dstuffteh22:01
SpamapSclarkb: recommended, not suggested22:01
clarkbso not sure the distinction is even worth much once you get to system packages22:01
bnemecI'm actually fine with that, but we got pushback from other people on that strategy.22:01
clarkbSpamapS: ah22:01
dstufftsometimes optional deps are nice22:02
bnemecI just want something better than "It's documented, that's good enough"22:02
SpamapSclarkb: but that's the equivalent of an optional dependency.. "some of this program won't work without this"22:02
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dstufftsometimes optional deps are suggested deps22:02
zigobnemec: What's the reason for the infra team's pushback ?22:02
sdagueclarkb: it's kind of a problem when bits include native code22:02
sdagueif this was all python, fine22:02
clarkbbnemec: yup definitel should have better than that22:02
SpamapSin Debian, suggests is "We think this works AWESOME with that."22:02
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clarkbSpamapS: gotcha22:02
SpamapSbut if any piece of the program just plain won't work w/o it, thats a recommends.22:02
clarkbthe example I used last time this came up was for oslo.messaging22:03
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dstufftyea, Python has a way to specify optional deps, but we don't differentiate between "we think this works AWESOME with that" and "some parts of this jsut plain won 't work"22:03
zigoclarkb: We install Recommends by default, not Suggests.22:03
bnemeczigo: See clarkb's comments above.  That's a good summary of what the previous discussion involved.22:03
dstufftan example might be lxml22:03
clarkbits a bit odd that we wouldn't ship support for multiple message busses by default so that users can pick and chose without reinstalling the world22:03
dstufftor a C version of something that maeks things go zoom zoom22:03
clarkbso IMO zmq, qpid, amqp, whatever the choices are should just end up there22:03
sdagueclarkb: so we make zookeeper mandatory for nova?22:04
zigoWell, then don't call it optional-requirements.txt22:04
clarkbsdague: if one of the things nova supports is talking to zookeerp for a thing then yes22:04
zigoPlease call it zigo's-packaging-todo-list.txt ...22:04
clarkbsdague: I think optional depends only make life confusing for the end user22:04
zigoI don't care as long as I have a way to *not* miss something I need to package.22:04
clarkbsdague: you reconfigure to use zookeeper and it doesn't work, ok why now, now its a rabbit hole of debugging22:04
* bnemec points at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153966/ and suggests people with opinions document them there22:05
SpamapSrequirements is the wrong word, as is dependencies. optional-minions?22:05
clarkbbnemec: I will compile my thoughts there22:05
sdagueclarkb: so I find that silly. Where do you stop. Do we bundle a version of vmware inside nova because a thing it could support is vmware22:06
zigobnemec: It's out of my scope, and talks about things I woudln't be able to help much with. Though I really would love to have a document telling me what I need to work on...22:06
bnemecclarkb: Thanks22:06
clarkbsdague: you bundle the things you need to talk to a vmware, isn't that what oslo.vmware is?22:06
zigoIt'd be nice if everyone saw it, and would add stuff they think would be nice to have in Debian/Ubuntu.22:06
zigoThe scciclient is a very good example.22:07
sdaguebut in the zookeeper case, you can't compile the zookeeper module we use without *actually* zookeeper installed22:07
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sdagueand the db drivers are similar22:07
clarkbsdague: well that sounds like a bug in the zookeeper module22:07
clarkbsdague: which db driver?22:07
clarkbsdague: neither mysql nor psycopg require that the db be installed22:07
sdaguethe require libraries and headers installed22:07
zigoIt's very specific, and we don't really need it in the gate, though it's kind of nice to have it in Debian if you have a FUJITSU iRMC S4 and want to use it with Ironic.22:07
clarkbthe client libs22:08
clarkbwhich is completely reasonable22:08
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sdaguehonestly, I don't think that it is. I think telling me I have to install c libraries for things I'm never going to use is really wonky22:08
clarkb(its also why I am a fan of options like PyMySQL)22:08
zigoclarkb: From my packaging point of view, it's nicer to have python-psycopg2 as a hard Depends: though.22:09
bnemecIt requires mysql-dev(el), which would make me kind of angry if I tried to pip install something on my postgres system.22:09
clarkbzigo: yup that is what I am arguing for22:09
sdagueclarkb: right, which is why I said if this is 100% python code, fine22:09
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sdaguebut the moment we're talking about compilation, I think it's a different story22:09
zigoAm I right that every OpenStack project is using python-psycopg2 for pgsql access?22:10
sdaguezigo: yeh22:10
zigoOr is there other stuff libs?22:10
zigoOk.22:10
zigoMaybe I should review all packages and add python-psycopg2. This has been on my todo list for too long... :(22:10
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clarkbbnemec: commented, hope that helps22:21
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bnemecclarkb: Awesome, thanks.  We've had this discussion enough times in enough different places that I want to get all the perspectives written down in a single spot.22:22
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clarkb+122:22
bnemecHopefully that way we can stop rehashing the same stuff every time. :-)22:22
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clif_his anyone besides myself concerned about the overly broad, permissive, and 'unrestricted, transferrable' rights to your own likeness if you agree to the event waiver when registering for the openstack summit?23:59
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