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| jdg | jogo: so your statements on the ML post are fair, and I certainly wouldn't argue | 00:49 |
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| jdg | jogo: yourself, mriedem and mtreinish inparticular get the shaft | 00:49 |
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| mriedem | shaft?! | 00:50 |
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| jdg | jogo: maybe EOL is the right answer, but I think there needs to be some bigger questions going forward | 00:50 |
| jogo | jdg: if someone else wants to bend over and get the shaft instead by all means long live icehouse | 00:50 |
| jdg | jogo: I hear ya | 00:50 |
| mriedem | oh my | 00:50 |
| * mriedem bites lip from saying terribly offensive things | 00:50 | |
| jdg | jogo: but my point is that at some point the whole "no pinning" and "library everything" needs to be revisited | 00:50 |
| jogo | jdg: well I tried to qualify my response, given the status quo we should EOL icehouse. We can also change the status quo | 00:50 |
| jdg | jogo: understood | 00:51 |
| jogo | jdg: we have revisited no pinning | 00:51 |
| mriedem | no pinning? | 00:51 |
| jogo | I am trying to pin everything listed in stable/juno global-reqs | 00:51 |
| mriedem | i thought we were pro capping? | 00:51 |
| jogo | have a patch up and all | 00:51 |
| mriedem | or is pin != cap in this context? | 00:51 |
| jdg | jogo: understood, which leads to all sorts of new issues | 00:51 |
| jogo | jdg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147451/ | 00:51 |
| jdg | jogo: Yes, I totally understand | 00:52 |
| mriedem | it seems to me the problem is the capped dependencies but branchless tempest | 00:52 |
| jogo | jdg: as for new issues from pinning, yes there are a fwe | 00:52 |
| mriedem | especially when tempest is getting g-r updates | 00:52 |
| jogo | mriedem: well that is why we need to decouple the tempest python env | 00:52 |
| jdg | mriedem: jogo so lock down tempest like everything else IMO | 00:52 |
| jogo | jdg: well we don't want to cap/pin master branch stuff | 00:52 |
| jogo | and running tempest in a tox venv sorts those issues out | 00:53 |
| jdg | jogo: anyway, no... I mean stable/x runs against stable/tempest | 00:53 |
| jdg | match | 00:53 |
| jdg | don't break shit | 00:53 |
| jogo | jdg: oh so drop branchless tempest | 00:53 |
| jogo | because w tempest desn't have stable/x | 00:53 |
| jdg | jogo: right, but maybe we should going forward | 00:54 |
| jdg | jogo: tag it just like we do with other projects | 00:54 |
| jdg | at release | 00:54 |
| jdg | I dunno... and I'm not arguing anything specific here either | 00:54 |
| jogo | jdg: maybe, I don't have an opinion on that really. I see value in branchless tempest and all though | 00:54 |
| mriedem | tempest is tagged | 00:54 |
| mriedem | around releases | 00:54 |
| mriedem | branchless tempest has always seemed very complicated to me, | 00:55 |
| mriedem | but back when it started we didn't have all of the tempest config options to really tailoring what it was testing | 00:55 |
| jdg | mriedem: 1 2 3? | 00:55 |
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| mriedem | jdg: yeah | 00:55 |
| mriedem | 1 is havana i think | 00:55 |
| mriedem | 2 is icehouse, 3 is juno | 00:55 |
| jdg | mriedem: isn't havana "havana-eol" ? | 00:55 |
| jdg | :) | 00:55 |
| mriedem | right, but | 00:55 |
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| mriedem | so internally we have a tempest mirror project and we created branches from the tags | 00:56 |
| jdg | mriedem: ok, regardless... | 00:56 |
| jogo | jdg: ohh you changed your nick | 00:56 |
| mriedem | so sure we don't get new tests for icehouse, but we can also backport fixes if we need them to our icehouse tempest branch to test against our icehouse packages | 00:56 |
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| jdg | jogo: it keeps getting hijacked even though it's registered | 00:56 |
| jdg | just got tired of resetting it | 00:57 |
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| jogo | I was wondering who this helpful jdg was | 00:57 |
| jdg | jogo: ha...I changed it because I've pissed off so many people while being jgriffith | 00:57 |
| jdg | jogo: I'm "incognito" | 00:57 |
| jogo | jdg: it will be our little secret then ;) | 00:57 |
| jdg | ha | 00:57 |
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| jdg | I should probably switch back, it seems to be causing confusion... but back to the problem at hand | 00:58 |
| jogo | I think pinning stable/juno deps will help a lot | 00:58 |
| jdg | jogo: I'm looking at what's in Cinder that's messing that up | 00:58 |
| jogo | ohh that may have been a red herring with tempest-lib | 00:59 |
| jdg | jogo: yeah, looks like it; but also seeing if there's another way for me to help | 00:59 |
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| jogo | jdg: you can review some devstack patches if you want | 01:00 |
| jdg | jogo: happy to, priority list? | 01:00 |
| jogo | jdg: and forward port https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154252/2 to stable/juno | 01:00 |
| jogo | see 4.1.2.2 on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/wedged-stable-gate-feb-2015 | 01:00 |
| jdg | jogo: got it | 01:01 |
| jogo | jdg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151812/ | 01:01 |
| jogo | jdg: so the basic plan going forward is | 01:01 |
| jogo | to unwedge this issue stop installing tempest in devstack | 01:01 |
| jogo | but for the dependency thing | 01:01 |
| mriedem | just read the ML thread (latest) | 01:01 |
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| mriedem | jogo smash! | 01:01 |
| * jdg is reading | 01:02 | |
| jdg | I'll catch up and try to pitch in | 01:02 |
| jogo | pin all direct stable/juno dependencies. while installing python-*clients that we use as CLIs inside a separate venv | 01:02 |
| jogo | that way we can install trunk clients on stable branches to test API compat | 01:02 |
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| jogo | mriedem: yeah that was some pent up frustration | 01:03 |
| jdg | jogo: ahh.. nice, yeah I forgot about the client compat piece | 01:03 |
| jogo | jdg: here is the stable/juno patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147451/ | 01:03 |
| jogo | jdg: right, isn't this fun :) | 01:03 |
| jdg | jogo: well crap | 01:04 |
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| KarolynChambers | zul: Hi, Was wondering if you'd be able to remove the -2 from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150446/ since 2014.2.2 is out now? | 01:05 |
| mriedem | jogo: understandable | 01:06 |
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| jdg | jogo: ok, well fine then... your etherpad covers just about everything that I was going to spew out | 01:11 |
| jdg | here I thoguht I had good suggestions | 01:11 |
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| jogo | jdg: :) | 01:19 |
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| mriedem | fwiw, i typically just expect the stable guys to review backports to make sure people aren't backporting dumb stuff and do releases, and at least stay on top of whether or not the gate is wedged, | 01:38 |
| mriedem | but unwedging is hard and requires people from -qa and -infra at times to help | 01:38 |
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| jogo | I don't think that is sustainable | 01:45 |
| jogo | people on stable/* should proactively help make stable branches more robust | 01:46 |
| jogo | testing of* | 01:46 |
| jogo | I agree doing that stuff is hard and requires -qa and -infra help. but as long as !me drives it I am happy | 01:46 |
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| jogo | btw we missed something in the boto excise | 01:47 |
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| jogo | mriedem: http://logs.openstack.org/52/154252/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/f881195/console.html | 01:47 |
| mriedem | jogo: hmm, never seen that before | 01:49 |
| mriedem | well 154279 hasn't landed yet | 01:49 |
| mriedem | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154252/2 won't work yet | 01:49 |
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| jogo | ahh that makes sense | 01:50 |
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| jogo | pretty deep in the gate | 01:51 |
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| jogo | I'll check in the patches in a few hours | 01:51 |
| mriedem | jogo: i've effectively alienated myself from the wife and kid tonight (and dog and cats for that matter), i've got zuul up watching that change so i'll recheck when it's done | 01:52 |
| mriedem | 3 hours of meetings tomorrow so i probably won't be around to do anything useful | 01:53 |
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| jogo | mriedem: not the cat | 02:33 |
| jogo | oh only a few patches away | 02:33 |
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| mriedem | the bro-down is over, let's bro-out! | 02:50 |
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| mriedem | jogo: this tempest change is going to take like 4 hours in the gate at this rate | 03:23 |
| mriedem | nuts | 03:23 |
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| jogo | something went wrong it looks like | 03:26 |
| jogo | https://jenkins01.openstack.org/job/gate-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu/3464/console | 03:26 |
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| mriedem | jogo: hung? | 03:28 |
| mriedem | jogo: yeah, looking at the trend it shouldn't take that long https://jenkins01.openstack.org/job/gate-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu/buildTimeTrend | 03:28 |
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| mriedem | should be about 45-55 minutes | 03:29 |
| mriedem | damn | 03:29 |
| jogo | tops | 03:29 |
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| mriedem | shitballs | 03:29 |
| mriedem | does that require a recheck then to kick it? | 03:29 |
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| mriedem | looks like the timeout is set to 2 hours | 03:30 |
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| jogo | yeah recheck is needed once it fails out | 03:31 |
| jogo | clarkb: ^ | 03:31 |
| jogo | fungi: ^ | 03:31 |
| clarkb | hrm? | 03:31 |
| clarkb | anyone can recheck. what am I missing | 03:32 |
| mriedem | nada | 03:33 |
| jogo | clarkb: why is it taking soo long | 03:33 |
| mriedem | there is less than 10 min to timeout, i'll just recheck after that | 03:33 |
| jogo | ohh only 10 min left might as well wait | 03:33 |
| clarkb | its your test | 03:33 |
| jogo | clarkb: will have to wait for the logs I guess | 03:34 |
| jogo | no worries | 03:34 |
| mriedem | ha | 03:34 |
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| mriedem | not MY test! | 03:34 |
| clarkb | jogo yes logs should give us more info | 03:34 |
| mriedem | jogo: wouldn't it be great if somehow disabling boto tests caused a hang? | 03:34 |
| clarkb | mriedem well in fairness to me I often understand very little of the actual tests | 03:34 |
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| mriedem | clarkb: just giving shit | 03:35 |
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| mriedem | it's one of those days where everything that can go wrong is going wrong | 03:35 |
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| clarkb | :( | 03:36 |
| mriedem | * cue 'hang in there' cat picture | 03:36 |
| jogo | mriedem: you are twisted | 03:36 |
| jogo | mriedem: very wrong | 03:36 |
| clarkb | looks like its stuck in workspace setup though which probably means a git issue? | 03:36 |
| clarkb | possibly network related. the setup workspace log will be handy to see | 03:37 |
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| clarkb | jogo mriedem I aborted the job so it should log now | 03:45 |
| mriedem | yup | 03:45 |
| mriedem | thanks | 03:45 |
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| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/79/154279/1/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu/6e29d46/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt | 03:45 |
| mriedem | looks like "git remote prune origin" hung | 03:46 |
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| clarkb | mriedem: if you look at the log it looks like all the git ops were reall slow | 03:47 |
| clarkb | 5 minutes here, 4 minutes there, it all adds up | 03:47 |
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| clarkb | and to different hosts too, some are to git.o.o and others to zm01.openstack.org | 03:47 |
| clarkb | I think hpcloud network problems | 03:48 |
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| mriedem | yeah, 5 min here: | 03:50 |
| mriedem | 2015-02-10 02:09:04.103 | + git remote prune origin 2015-02-10 02:14:02.052 | fatal: unable to access 'https://git.openstack.org/openstack/taskflow/': GnuTLS recv error (-9): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. | 03:50 |
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| mriedem | jogo: i rechecked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154279/ | 03:51 |
| mriedem | gotta call it a night now | 03:51 |
| mriedem | i will assume that magical things will happen after people wake up in the eastern timezone | 03:52 |
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| vikram | I have defined a new neutron advanced service plugin.. But I am not able to find the defined db tables.. Can someone please tell me when the tables are created and what is the code flow .. So that I can debug.. | 08:52 |
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| andreykurilin | dtroyer: hi! can we discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152919/ ? | 13:44 |
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| brut | Hi all. I try to call host.list() from python-novaclient. And get this trace http://pastebin.com/5yvMAJ3y can anyone say what i do wrong? My whole code http://pastebin.com/wAktAHZQ | 13:55 |
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| andreykurilin | brut: hi. the better place for this question is #openstack-nova | 14:07 |
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| bswartz | ttx: ping | 15:30 |
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| s1rp_irs1i | dansmith: hey, i ran into an issue where classes defined in individual tests are leaking across into other tests... which would be impossible except that the NovaObjectMetaclass maintains a ref to them even when the object goes out of scope | 15:31 |
| s1rp_irs1i | dansmith: i think we need to be using weakrefs for the metaclass's cache | 15:32 |
| dansmith | s1rp_irs1i: hang on, in another convo | 15:32 |
| s1rp_irs1i | dansmith: sure thing! | 15:32 |
| s1rp_irs1i | im thinking something like a WeakValueDictionary would fix it | 15:33 |
| ttx | bswartz: in a meeting, but pong nevertheless | 15:33 |
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| dansmith | s1rp: so, I actually have plans to remove the metaclass cache | 15:35 |
| dansmith | s1rp: partly because it's really hard to avoid test interference like you say, but also because we're moving the object infra out to a library and I think it's too presumptuous to use such unavoidably-automatic registration | 15:35 |
| dansmith | in a library | 15:35 |
| s1rp | dansmith: yeah that's even better then | 15:36 |
| s1rp | dansmith: is that a nearterm change, or is that months away you think? | 15:36 |
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| s1rp | dansmith: im holding a patch right now to fix the test issue (think the order of tests in gate manages to avoid it) | 15:36 |
| dansmith | s1rp: pretty soon I think. as soon as the library gets made, I'll be working on that and other things | 15:37 |
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| dansmith | s1rp: what's the actual issue? so far I've worked around the other things fairly well | 15:37 |
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| s1rp | dansmith: the actual issue is that two tests both define local classes that inherit from objects.Instance; and use the same obj_name value | 15:38 |
| s1rp | dansmith: this causes them to point to the same value in the metaclass dictionary | 15:38 |
| dansmith | s1rp: I might've already fixed that | 15:38 |
| s1rp | dansmith: meaning that two tests that should be using different classes (their own local version), are actually use the same one | 15:38 |
| s1rp | dansmith: i fixed it by changing the obj_name to 'Instance1' and 'Instance2' respectively | 15:38 |
| dansmith | s1rp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152742/ | 15:39 |
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| dansmith | s1rp: that seems like a fine thing to go ahead and do now, right? | 15:39 |
| s1rp | dansmith: ah yeah that's it; cool, so when i catch up to upstream, i'll just drop that | 15:40 |
| dansmith | s1rp: cool | 15:40 |
| s1rp | dansmith: thanks! | 15:40 |
| dansmith | s1rp: np! | 15:40 |
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| s1rp | dansmith: oh yeah was looking back in to the IPv6 issue, it definitely was happening on my machine, but i deleted my little test file, so gonna need to recreate the situation | 15:40 |
| s1rp | ill report back later today w/ what i find | 15:41 |
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| dansmith | s1rp: okay cool, curious to see what that's about | 15:43 |
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| dansmith | s1rp: can you join #openstack-nova? | 15:55 |
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| s1rp | dansmith: yeppers | 15:57 |
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| mriedem | adam_g: ttx: ihrachyshka: is stable/juno really only security fixes at this point? | 16:07 |
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| ihrachyshka | mriedem, juno? not at all, we still fix lots of bugs there | 16:08 |
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| ihrachyshka | mriedem, icehouse - more or less (though we also merge non security stuff there) | 16:08 |
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| mriedem | yeah i figured icehouse was security only | 16:09 |
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| mriedem | ihrachyshka: ok, thanks | 16:10 |
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| ihrachyshka | mriedem, icehouse is sec + major failures | 16:10 |
| mriedem | yeah | 16:10 |
| mriedem | like this week | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | we still leave some space for more than just security | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | :D | 16:10 |
| mriedem | gate breakers | 16:10 |
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| mriedem | i get that | 16:10 |
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| ihrachyshka | mriedem, honestly, there is little reason to keep icehouse for that long. | 16:11 |
| ihrachyshka | mriedem, vendors are ok with patching CVEs | 16:11 |
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| mriedem | ihrachyshka: personally i like stable/icehouse b/c it makes my life easier since i don't have to patch cve's out of tree | 16:12 |
| mriedem | since we're supporting releases going back to folsom | 16:12 |
| ihrachyshka | mriedem, ha? whom are you working for? | 16:12 |
| mriedem | ibm | 16:12 |
| mriedem | i know, not a linux distribution, crazy | 16:12 |
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| ihrachyshka | folsom... I think I wasn't born at that time | 16:12 |
| mriedem | our current support model is 8 years | 16:13 |
| mriedem | so 16 releases | 16:13 |
| mriedem | which is nuts | 16:13 |
| ihrachyshka | mriedem, redhat is going to drop havana in several months | 16:13 |
| mriedem | kudos :) | 16:13 |
| mriedem | i'm trying to get the 8 year model changed | 16:13 |
| ihrachyshka | mriedem, well, there is no way to keep it supported for that long in u/s | 16:13 |
| mriedem | b/c this is also on 3 architectures so multiple package builds possibly | 16:13 |
| ihrachyshka | so anyway, it's +/- 1 or 2 cycles for you | 16:13 |
| mriedem | i realize | 16:13 |
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| mriedem | i'm just saying, not all vendors are cool with patching cve's out of tree if they can help it :) | 16:14 |
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| ihrachyshka | mriedem, but at the same time, how many efforts have you already wasted to keep the branch running? :) | 16:14 |
| ihrachyshka | all of us | 16:14 |
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| mriedem | i'm not trying to get into the ML thread btw | 16:16 |
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| ttx | mriedem: see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Support_phases | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: Do we have a standard policy on what we allow in rootwrap.conf? | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | ttx: specifically regarding /usr/local/bin | 17:05 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hmm, ideally you would not qualify the path and let system path find things | 17:12 |
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| ttx | since otherwise you force distros into heavy patching | 17:13 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: that's kinda what I was thinking there, so the right answer is to push back and ask the pkg maintainer to install to /usr/bin or /usr/sbin ? | 17:13 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: well, what I was thinking and what was pointed out to me as a concern from eharney :) | 17:13 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: /usr/local/bin/ is in $PATH usually so it should just work with unqualified paths | 17:15 |
| jgriffith | ttx: yeah, caught what you were saying... trying it now | 17:15 |
| ttx | like allow "foobar" instead of /usr/local/bin/foobar | 17:15 |
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| ttx | then rootwrap will search in $PATH | 17:15 |
| jgriffith | ttx: also I suppose they could just put the full path in the filter itself? | 17:15 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: yeah, that seems way better | 17:15 |
| ttx | sure, but that sounds a bit static | 17:15 |
| jgriffith | ttx: true | 17:16 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I like the point about system path | 17:16 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: lemme have a look at that again | 17:16 |
| jgriffith | ttx: thanks for the feedback | 17:16 |
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| dragunov | hey guys..just a small issue i am having.. is there any way to get tempest for juno? i know tempest is supposed to be single branch but i need tempest that was ready for juno release .. | 22:44 |
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| dragunov | anyone know link to tempest for juno release , will really appreciate your help. | 22:51 |
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