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| mgrandi | i submitted a bugfix to 'sqlalchemy-migrate' but apparently i have to do a code review, i'm not ever going to use this code review thing so can someone do it for me? pull request: https://github.com/stackforge/sqlalchemy-migrate/pull/5 | 01:57 |
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| nagyz | hi | 11:02 |
| nagyz | can anybody tell me where the git source tree is for glance.store now that it has been moved out of glance itself? | 11:02 |
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| chmouel | nagyz: https://github.com/openstack/glance_store | 11:14 |
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| nagyz | yes, I did find that, but in order to submit patches, isn't gerrit married to git.openstack.org? | 11:15 |
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| chmouel | nagyz: you need to use git-review, have you contributed to openstack project before? | 11:16 |
| chmouel | cf: https://wiki.openstack.org/HowToContribute | 11:16 |
| nagyz | yes, I know how it works, but I always used git.openstack.org and thought github is just a 'mirror' | 11:16 |
| chmouel | you basically check this git repo and install git-review to do a git-review -s | 11:16 |
| nagyz | maybe I'm confused around that part :-) | 11:16 |
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| nagyz | so the actual git repo doesn't matter to gerrit? | 11:16 |
| chmouel | nagyz: ah yeah github is a mirror but they should be in sync | 11:16 |
| nagyz | ok, but from where? :) | 11:17 |
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| nagyz | as I cannot find glance_store on git.openstack.org | 11:17 |
| chmouel | ah you right sorry i shoul dhave checked | 11:17 |
| chmouel | flaper87: ^ | 11:17 |
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| flaper87 | nagyz: chmouel https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance_store | 11:18 |
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| chmouel | flaper87: i guess the listing is not updated on git.openstack.org | 11:18 |
| flaper87 | chmouel: oh mmh, is that a separte thing? | 11:19 |
| flaper87 | doh | 11:19 |
| chmouel | oh no it's glance_store | 11:19 |
| chmouel | not glance.store | 11:19 |
| chmouel | doh :( | 11:19 |
| chmouel | nagyz was prob confused cause the lib actually call glance.store but repo glance_store (with underscore) | 11:19 |
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| nagyz | ah | 11:22 |
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| nagyz | the listing on git.openstack.org is not up-to-date | 11:22 |
| nagyz | thanks :-) | 11:23 |
| nagyz | should have gone ahead and tried it I guess :P | 11:23 |
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| chmouel | either way github/git.o.o should be in sync | 11:26 |
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| zimbatm | hello | 11:27 |
| zimbatm | I'm trying to sign the iCLA but getting an error back | 11:27 |
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| zimbatm | just worked if I didn't enter the address & phone fields | 11:28 |
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| nagyz | chmouel, thanks! | 11:30 |
| nagyz | for visibility purposes, is it better to open a bug on launchpad and then fix it referencing it, or just push in the patch? | 11:30 |
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| chmouel | nagyz: most project would rather prefer you open a bug and reference it in your commit | 11:32 |
| chmouel | with Fixes bug #100110 format | 11:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 100110 in acpi "18 seconds ACPI delay while booting due to DSDT FSJ AMILO Xi 1554" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100110 | 11:32 |
| nagyz | hm, nice bot! | 11:33 |
| nagyz | bug #123111 | 11:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 123111 in kubuntu-meta "installing package from konqueror uses dpkg, does not provide automatic dependency resolution" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123111 | 11:33 |
| nagyz | hah. :) | 11:33 |
| nagyz | chmouel, I've been doing it like that, just wanted to make sure that's the preferred method | 11:33 |
| chmouel | it is indeed | 11:33 |
| chmouel | but some people are lazy and don't open a bug before (me included :() | 11:33 |
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| sdague | dolphm: ... spandex? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1342909 | 13:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1342909 in nova "libvirtError: monitor socket did not show up: No such file or directory" [Undecided,New] | 13:18 |
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| dolphm | sdague: lol https://github.com/dolph/spandex | 13:19 |
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| dolphm | sdague: pip install spandex, i think | 13:20 |
| sdague | dolphm: can we just integrate that into elastic-recheck ? | 13:20 |
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| sdague | it seems useful, but is less discoverable by being in a 2nd tree | 13:20 |
| dolphm | sdague: sure, when i started it, it probably didn't belong. now it probably belongs in tools/ ? | 13:20 |
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| sdague | honestly, it can probably go in the cmd/ dir if it's got tests | 13:20 |
| sdague | tools is usually reserved for random one offs that don't | 13:21 |
| dolphm | sdague: it wasn't originally built to run elastic-recheck yaml queries directly, but that turned out to be quite useful | 13:21 |
| sdague | dolphm: gotcha | 13:21 |
| dolphm | sdague: it has zero tests | 13:21 |
| jordanP | dolphm, it's a valuable tool, just discovered it but i see the potential | 13:21 |
| sdague | well we could make some :) | 13:21 |
| sdague | anyway, it seems very cool. Thought it might be nice to include it as part of e-r | 13:22 |
| dolphm | sdague: i'm going to be OOO quite a bit over the next couple weeks, but i'll look into submitting it. if you get impatient, it's ASL v2 :) | 13:23 |
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| sdague | dolphm: not impatient ... mostly just wanted to figure out what the story was :) | 13:23 |
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| jgriffith | ihrachyshka: hey ya... | 15:04 |
| jgriffith | ihrachyshka: not sure why your patch was *ignored* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121032/ | 15:05 |
| ihrachyshka | jgriffith: hey | 15:05 |
| jgriffith | ihrachyshka: but IMO that's the correct fix | 15:05 |
| jgriffith | ihrachyshka: I'm happy to review it if you want to reactivate it | 15:05 |
| jgriffith | ihrachyshka: the business of pinning requirements makes things significantly more difficult IMHO | 15:06 |
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| jgriffith | ihrachyshka: and if this actually addresses the issue I'm great with fixing it correctly | 15:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | jgriffith: it seems that we're not going to push forward the spec that needs it this cycle anymore because people around are p*ssed off a bit about latest breakages, so no rush. I'll unlock that once we're after RC1 | 15:06 |
| ihrachyshka | jgriffith: also, that solution was not there when people approved pinning, so that's not reviewer's fault. just a bad time for new sqlalchemy-migrate release and any major moves. | 15:07 |
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| jgriffith | ihrachyshka: ok, thanks for the explanation | 15:09 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: got a question about the zaqar benchmark stuff | 17:46 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: shoot | 17:46 |
| flashgordon | devananda: so I didn't dig into it how the benchmark was done very deeply but the test seemed odd | 17:47 |
| flashgordon | devananda: my assumption is if this is like amazon SQS, then the latency for a single message and the throughput for a single user is not very important | 17:48 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: I haven't got any insight into how the test was run aside from what's on that thread | 17:48 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: I assume what matters is the aggregate throughput for many tenants | 17:48 |
| devananda | flashgordon: while I agree with your assessment there, the benchmark didn't actually provide that information | 17:48 |
| flashgordon | devananda: right, so that makes it useless | 17:48 |
| devananda | flashgordon: it hints at it being quite poor, though, given that the API service' CPU pegged and the Redis server also pegged | 17:48 |
| devananda | at 2k msgs/sec | 17:48 |
| flashgordon | devananda: assuming zaqar is a SQS clone | 17:49 |
| devananda | with a single tenant | 17:49 |
| flashgordon | but the single tenant case isn't interesting here | 17:49 |
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| flashgordon | imagine if heat was using this | 17:49 |
| flashgordon | it wouldn't have a single tenant with 2k msgs/sec would it? | 17:49 |
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| flashgordon | even for a massive cloud, it would be lower throughput and multi tenant | 17:50 |
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| flashgordon | SpamapS: ^ | 17:50 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: sure. so lets ask for the test to be rerun with 100 tenants, with at least 4 processes per tenant (two produce, two consume), and see if that changes the #s | 17:51 |
| flashgordon | devananda: so it sounds like I should post my question to the ML | 17:51 |
| devananda | I doubt it would, but it's a good test | 17:51 |
| devananda | flashgordon: I'm also concerned taht they only ran (a) for 10 seconds (b) with a small number of actuall client processes (and a lot of greenthreads) | 17:52 |
| flashgordon | devananda: so I see the scale model (from the end user) to be similar to swift: single actions aren't the worlds fastest but horizontal scale in aggregate | 17:52 |
| flashgordon | devananda: hehe yeah a 10 second test is pretty silly | 17:52 |
| flashgordon | devananda: I'll post my questions on the ML | 17:52 |
| devananda | flashgordon: yes. latency of a single request is not nearly as important as consistency of that latency (it shouldn't change under load) and the ability to actually scale out | 17:53 |
| flashgordon | I wanted to sanity check them with you first a bit | 17:53 |
| flashgordon | devananda: exactly | 17:53 |
| devananda | but at 2k msgs/sec, it really shouldn't be pegging a CPU | 17:53 |
| devananda | I mean, that's a TINY amount of traffic for Redis | 17:53 |
| devananda | *pegging a CPu on the data store | 17:53 |
| devananda | scaling uWSGI processes is trivial, and performance there, while nice, isn't nearly as much a problem | 17:54 |
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| clarkb | devananda: just wait for it to start OOMing when it forks | 17:54 |
| devananda | heh | 17:55 |
| JayF | flashgordon: devananda: I'm on the other side of the company, but I'd be very curious to know real-world experience running Zaqar in Rackspace Cloud Queues... including how close to master they (we?) run. | 17:55 |
| devananda | flashgordon: another neat data point -- those tests apparently only used 20MB of RAM in the redis server | 17:55 |
| devananda | JayF: I'd really like to know about real-world deployment(s) of it, but so far no one's coming forward | 17:56 |
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| devananda | JayF: if someone not directly on the core team came out and said positive things about deploynig it, that'd go a long way for me | 17:56 |
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| flashgordon | devananda JayF: I agree | 17:58 |
| flashgordon | that would help move the conversation along | 17:58 |
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| SpamapS | flashgordon: noted | 17:59 |
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| SpamapS | flashgordon: A reasonably sized heat stack would have maybe 100 messages in a single second when there's an update that ripples through. | 18:00 |
| clarkb | I was probably doing it wrong but the first thing I ripped out with fire and acid was redis when getting the jenkins test log processing going. Too much OOMing | 18:00 |
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| clarkb | devananda: and I think it spins an entire cpu because it is a non blocking event loop on a single process? iirc this is why it forks to do background jobs | 18:00 |
| clarkb | which is dangerous when low on memory | 18:01 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: another zaqar comment, they are planning on a v2 API in kilo? | 18:03 |
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| flashgordon | isn't one of the graduation reqs for the API to be somewhat stable | 18:03 |
| devananda | flashgordon: yes. see the ML. flavio posted a WIP patch to remove the objectionable part of the API in their /v2/ API | 18:04 |
| devananda | but they are insisting on retaining the /v1/ and not ripping it out there | 18:04 |
| devananda | so ttx suggested that maybe we accept it knowing that /v2/ is what will be stable in Kilo | 18:04 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: that sounds premature | 18:06 |
| flashgordon | devananda: saying yes on condition that they do a thing | 18:06 |
| devananda | yup | 18:06 |
| flashgordon | when has that ever failed us? lol | 18:06 |
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| devananda | fwiw, I'm really tired of hiding behind policy on this. People keep telling me privately that they can't use zaqar, but no one's coming out publicly to say "I tried to use it and it doesn't work/fit/etc for $reason". | 18:07 |
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| devananda | so we (TC) are left trying to find reasons to say "no", but dont have the time to go actually try to run it ourselves | 18:09 |
| flashgordon | devananda: that last statement IMHO is a failing of the TC (not blaming anyone in particular though) | 18:10 |
| devananda | totally agree | 18:10 |
| flashgordon | devananda: doing a technical review without running the thing is odd | 18:10 |
| devananda | the TC once had a premise that membership only "requires only an hour or two a week" | 18:11 |
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| devananda | that bus left a long time ago. TC seat takes more time than being a PTL at certain times of the cycle, at least for me | 18:11 |
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| mriedem | annegentle_: any chance someone talked to the tim referred to here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115138/ | 18:12 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: only an hour or two a week is an antiquated notion | 18:15 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: honestly if any TC member still feels that way I won't vote for them | 18:15 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: indeed | 18:15 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: which is why I prefaced that with "once had a premise ..." | 18:16 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: haha yeah | 18:17 |
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| flashgordon | does zaqar support batching messages? | 18:38 |
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| flashgordon | looks like yes | 18:41 |
| devananda | flashgordon: at least when fetching, I believe so | 18:42 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: it has both | 18:43 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: I assume it only responds to a POST once the message is safe | 18:43 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: that would seem to require transaction support in the storage layer? | 18:43 |
| devananda | "POST this batch" ... fails part way through ... nowwhat? | 18:44 |
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| flashgordon | devananda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar/specs/api/v1#Post_Message.28s.29 | 18:44 |
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| flashgordon | partial=Tre | 18:44 |
| flashgordon | True | 18:45 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: so that's a problem. There's no unique ID in the POST by which the producer can determine, from a partial response, which messages to retry | 18:46 |
| devananda | it must go fetch each new resource, compare to the messages it tried to post, deduplicate, and re-POST | 18:46 |
| devananda | but what if a consumer already deleted one of those resources? .... | 18:46 |
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| devananda | flashgordon: oddly, it looks like DELETE semantics don't include error correction -- a malformed message ID is ignored, not errored | 18:47 |
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| flashgordon | heh | 18:49 |
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| kgriffs | guys, just noticed your conversation here. if you guys have questions, feel free to drop by the project channel. | 18:50 |
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| kgriffs | regarding partial thing - that was some cruft left over from like 8 months ago. it is deprecated and no driver can (or is allowed to) return partial | 18:50 |
| kgriffs | indeed, it was removed in the v1.1 api | 18:51 |
| devananda | kgriffs: ah, thanks for clarifying | 18:51 |
| devananda | (the wiki could use some updating... but isn't that always the case? :) ) | 18:52 |
| ttx | devananda: agree that if people have things against Zaqar they need to tell us about it. The TC doesn't make decisions in a vacuum | 18:52 |
| ttx | which is why we are having those discussions in -dev, too. | 18:52 |
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| flashgordon | kgriffs: does zaqar support batching messages? | 18:54 |
| devananda | ttx: my gripe above is that folks are (and have been for some time) giving me feedback privately (and I suspect others on the TC get similar feedback) but we're not seeing the same participation in the open | 18:54 |
| devananda | kgriffs: I do not see any developer docs for zaqar on http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html -- am I just overlooking it? | 18:54 |
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| kgriffs | flashgordon: you can post multiple messages at once, and also list or claim multiple at once | 18:54 |
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| devananda | kgriffs: wait. how is batch posting handled if partial isn't supported? | 18:55 |
| flashgordon | kgriffs: and will zaqar only respond when all message are in? | 18:55 |
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| kgriffs | devananda: hmmm, we have them. I don't know off hand why they aren't showing up on that page | 18:56 |
| flashgordon | kgriffs: what if one of the messeges isn't valid json? | 18:56 |
| kgriffs | devananda: ping flaper87 or vkmc | 18:56 |
| kgriffs | (re docs) | 18:56 |
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| kgriffs | devananda: it is all or nothing. either all messages are posted or none of them are | 18:56 |
| devananda | kgriffs: flaper87: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/zaqar -- not found :( | 18:56 |
| vkmc | hey :) | 18:56 |
| flaper87 | devananda: thanks because of the rename | 18:56 |
| flaper87 | it used to be marconi before | 18:56 |
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| devananda | ahh i see | 18:57 |
| devananda | yup, there it is | 18:57 |
| kgriffs | flashgordon: yes, the current drivers do not respond until the messages are persisted | 18:57 |
| flaper87 | devananda: flashgordon also, you want to read this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar/specs/api/v1.1 | 18:57 |
| vkmc | devananda, we updated all the docs, but still are not up because of the rename | 18:57 |
| * flaper87 jsut noticed all this conversation | 18:57 | |
| devananda | you should suggest a change to the docs repo to add that link to openstack-projets.html | 18:57 |
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| kgriffs | flashgordon: all of the messages are posted in a json list (part of the same document). If one is bad, then the entire post fails | 18:58 |
| flaper87 | guys really, if there's anything we could help with or we should clarify, do not hesitate to ping us directly or to come to the channel | 18:58 |
| flaper87 | or even better to send an email to the mailing list | 18:58 |
| devananda | flaper87: one of the things Ironic uses pecan/wsme for is autogenerating our API docs, eg. http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/webapi/v1.html is refreshed from the code on every commit | 18:58 |
| flaper87 | I barely noticed this conversation (friday, 21:00 here) | 18:58 |
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| devananda | flaper87: flashgordon and I were casually chatting, but doing it here rather than in PM, which is faster for quick questions than email | 18:59 |
| flaper87 | devananda: yeah, dhellmann mentioned that when we were discussing pecan/falcon last time. That's something we don't have right now but we're happy to contribute in having something that does that for falcon | 18:59 |
| flaper87 | devananda: sure no problem. didn't mean to sound that way. :D | 19:00 |
| flaper87 | discussions are better than no discussion :) | 19:00 |
| flaper87 | I was just concerned about having missed this conversation | 19:00 |
| devananda | I'm sure there will be some questions left over that end up on the ML :) | 19:00 |
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| kgriffs | I would also add that not everyone in the community believes great docs can be totally automated or that developers == tech writers. I think we need to find a good balance. | 19:01 |
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| devananda | kgriffs: totally agree there | 19:01 |
| devananda | kgriffs: autogenerated docs are not a substitute for real user documentation | 19:01 |
| devananda | kgriffs: but I feel that having a human-readable API spec auto-generated from code is quite helpful in preventing old/stale information about an API being consumed by users | 19:02 |
| kgriffs | it's just on my mind lately because there is an internal Rackspace docs summit coming up | 19:02 |
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| kgriffs | devananda: yep, definitely helps keep things up to date | 19:02 |
| flaper87 | devananda: w.r.t folks coming to you. I bet you've tried already but it'd be nice if you could talk to them again and see if they're willing to share their thoughts | 19:02 |
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| kgriffs | +1 | 19:02 |
| flaper87 | I'm really looking forward to hear from them and see what can be improved | 19:02 |
| devananda | flaper87: I do that every time ... | 19:02 |
| flaper87 | devananda: thanks :) | 19:03 |
| flaper87 | if they prefer to ping me or kgriffs privately that's fine too | 19:03 |
| kgriffs | we never claimed that Zaqar is a one-size-fits all solution, and we have heard from some people who do think it would work for them, but we are happy to get feedback from folks with other thoughts | 19:03 |
| flaper87 | I'd prefer open discussions but whatever works best for them | 19:03 |
| flashgordon | kgriffs: so I have some concerns about the benchmarking | 19:03 |
| kgriffs | sure thing | 19:03 |
| flaper87 | ok guys, sorry but I gotta go now, it's family time! | 19:04 |
| flaper87 | bbl | 19:04 |
| devananda | flaper87: cheers! thanks for popping in even though it's late :) | 19:04 |
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| kgriffs | what I've done so far with benchmarking is pretty basic, and I probably haven't explained what zaqar-benchmark does very well | 19:05 |
| flashgordon | kgriffs: in my very half assed attempt at looking for a doc on it I didn't find any | 19:05 |
| kgriffs | yeah, the tool is pretty new and rough as I mentioned in "round 1" | 19:06 |
| kgriffs | we need to get it documented for sure | 19:06 |
| kgriffs | but we may end up just using Rally instead | 19:06 |
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| devananda | annegentle_: do you have a sense of what is needed for the nova_bm->ironic migration documentation? The last review covered -taht- we need it, but not exactly what format, where it should be stored, etc. | 19:06 |
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| devananda | annegentle_: we have a draft up here, which I'd love some feedback on (in terms of location, content structure, anything you feel is important) -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/NovaBaremetalIronicMigration | 19:07 |
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| kgriffs | flashgordon: here is a sample run for 5 minutes. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8393032482af34a6d8da | 19:10 |
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| kgriffs | it can also output JSON | 19:11 |
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| kgriffs | we had planned to use the JSON as input to graphing tools and whatnot | 19:11 |
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| flashgordon | kgriffs: how many tenants does it use? | 19:11 |
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| kgriffs | right now just one. we have wanted to add support for testing across multiple tenants but the team hasn't gotten around to doing that yet | 19:12 |
| kgriffs | I imagine a good large-scale test would use a few hundred tenants, thousands of queues, etc. | 19:13 |
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| kgriffs | BTW, here is the output of zaqar-bench -h | 19:14 |
| kgriffs | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bd37cabac97a63617c07 | 19:14 |
| kgriffs | I'm debating how much to continue working on zaqar-bench vs. working with Rally and Tsung | 19:15 |
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| flashgordon | kgriffs: yeah if its few hundred tenants thousands of queues sounds more like it | 19:15 |
| kgriffs | I think zaqar-bench was useful for some smoke testing and getting a rough idea of performance, but it is not very sophisticated | 19:15 |
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| devananda | kgriffs: I'd really like to see if spreading the load across more tenants changes the performance profile | 19:16 |
| devananda | kgriffs: and how adding more redis backends to the pool scales | 19:16 |
| flashgordon | kgriffs: the current thing of focusing on latency for individual messages is bad IMHO | 19:16 |
| devananda | flashgordon: ++ | 19:16 |
| flashgordon | kgriffs: you should at least add the standard deviation | 19:16 |
| flashgordon | and outliers etc | 19:16 |
| kgriffs | yep, that would be good to know | 19:16 |
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| flashgordon | anyway I posted my thoughts on the ML, but lunch time for me | 19:18 |
| kgriffs | kk | 19:19 |
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| daguegoneit | dhellmann: ok, I'm enough of a noob on the python side to have to ask. How is python execution impacted if we don't write the pyc files to disk? | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | daguegoneit: that's the point -- we don't know | 20:27 |
| daguegoneit | but, if the executor of python code doesn't have write access to the directory where the python is, they won't create pyc files on disk | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | there's a fix that doesn't even raise the question, though, so that seems like the safer path | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | that's true, it won't, which is why distro packages typically include those files | 20:28 |
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| daguegoneit | from all of my recent research on the internet the pyc step is just caching | 20:29 |
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| dhellmann | that's my understanding, too, although that implies performance differences in some situations | 20:29 |
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| daguegoneit | well it's just the performance of that bytecode translation | 20:30 |
| daguegoneit | which is pretty minimal from what I can tell | 20:30 |
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| daguegoneit | and if the alternative is to delete everything every time, then there isn't a performance change | 20:32 |
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| dhellmann | when are those pyc files created, when testr scans the code or when we install the package? we don't actually install most things under tox, do we? | 20:33 |
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| daguegoneit | we're only talking about the git trees | 20:33 |
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| daguegoneit | so it's testr loading the files | 20:34 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I don't know. It feels like a really heavy hammer to fix an issue that is so easily resolved in less intrusive ways. :-/ | 20:35 |
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| daguegoneit | ok, I guess this seemed like the smaller hammer. Because it's "don't ever create the files instead of creating and deleting them all the time" | 20:38 |
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| kgriffs | boris-42: ping | 21:02 |
| boris-42 | hi there | 21:02 |
| kgriffs | hey | 21:03 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs btw me in zaqar chat | 21:03 |
| kgriffs | kk | 21:03 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs so what's up?) | 21:05 |
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| kgriffs | so, I was just wondering what the overall performance testing landscape looks like in openstack. | 21:05 |
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| kgriffs | do you happen to know, for example, what nova and swift do? | 21:06 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs I wish that I don't know that=) | 21:06 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs I am sleeping very bad cause I know how they "scale" in all "directions" | 21:06 |
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| kgriffs | do any projects to large-scale testing right now, or is that left up to operators to do on their own? | 21:07 |
| kgriffs | s/testing/perf testing | 21:07 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs so we are trying to collect such information | 21:07 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs inside rally | 21:07 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs https://github.com/stackforge/rally/tree/master/doc/user_stories | 21:08 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs but it's really hard to collect such kind of info | 21:08 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs cause nobody wants to share their reuslts=) | 21:08 |
| kgriffs | yeah | 21:08 |
| kgriffs | I have experienced that | 21:08 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs we even have issues doing this in mirnatis | 21:08 |
| kgriffs | Rackspace has done perf testing that I wish I could share but don't have permission | 21:08 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs ya | 21:09 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs so locally we started daily basis testing on scale | 21:09 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs like 100 servers | 21:09 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs so we will have some internal graphs about perf of master | 21:09 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs but I believe that I won't be able to share this =) | 21:09 |
| kgriffs | is that for all the integrated projects? | 21:09 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs why only integrated project? | 21:10 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs actually I am trying to push using rally for fuel testing | 21:10 |
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| kgriffs | idk, seems like most operators ignore anything that isn't integratetd | 21:10 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs so everybody is welocome | 21:10 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs ya that happens, hopefully rally is not ignored | 21:10 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs cause tempest is not consumable in production at all | 21:10 |
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| kgriffs | so, what is the uptake on Rally so far? | 21:11 |
| kgriffs | how many projects have Rally gates? | 21:11 |
| kgriffs | flashgordon: btw, you might be interested in this discussion | 21:11 |
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| kgriffs | boris-42: as you know, the Zaqar team is working to set up a Zaqar gate | 21:14 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs so keystone,cinder,glance,neutron have rally gates | 21:14 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs designate will have as well | 21:15 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs but for designate gates are a bit different | 21:15 |
| kgriffs | at the last summit we had ambitious plans around perf testing but other things ended up becoming higher priority | 21:15 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs heh ) yep | 21:15 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs and we worked a lot on gates stuff (cause it's our functional testing) | 21:15 |
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| kgriffs | I'm actually frustrated that we didn't get to perf testing sooner, but as any PTL will tell you things often "don't go as fast as you would like" | 21:16 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs ya | 21:17 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs so basically we need to talk about what workloads you need | 21:17 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs and probably adopt rally benchmark engine to cover them | 21:17 |
| kgriffs | Even if Zaqar weren't trying to graduate, I would still be pushing to get more perf testing before the release candidate | 21:17 |
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| kgriffs | boris-42: sounds good | 21:17 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs so we can start from basis stuff | 21:18 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs like benchmarks that just send-consume | 21:18 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs and benchmarks that just sends | 21:18 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs in future you'll be able to create benchmarks chains (benchmark that creates N, benchmark that consumes N) | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: kgriffs one good test to start from would be being able to install and play with rally+zaqar ourselves | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: is it possible to do that now? | 21:19 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 so yep | 21:19 |
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| flaper87 | that would give an idea of what's required and what needs to be done | 21:19 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 but you need to add zaqar client to rally | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: sure | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | it ain't for free :P | 21:19 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/osclients.py#L132 | 21:19 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 ^ so you need to have "def zaqar" | 21:19 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 actually lemme find proper patch | 21:19 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs so this guy https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Nikita+Konovalov%22+status:merged+project:stackforge/rally,n,z | 21:20 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs add benchmarks for sahara recently | 21:20 |
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| jokke_ | boris-42: \o | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs basically this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107692/ (for zaqar) | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs here is cleanup stuff https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107961/ | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs and here are few benchmarks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107962/ | 21:22 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs don't worry about amount of lines, it's mostly samples + docstrings | 21:22 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107962/20/rally/consts.py so this change is very important | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: interesting | 21:22 |
| kgriffs | cool | 21:22 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs so if you do that you'll be able to make benchmarks for zaqar | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: it's quite late for me now so I'll probably take a better look tomorrow or during the days to come | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | BUT! | 21:23 |
| kgriffs | zaqar would seem to scale well on paper, but we obviously need to test it | 21:23 |
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| flaper87 | boris-42: would you be interested in having a more detailed discussion at the summit? | 21:23 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs +1 | 21:23 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs flaper87 why not just these days? | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | Does meeting at Zaqar's pod and using the whiteboard sound good to you? | 21:23 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs flaper87 like hangout call? | 21:23 |
| kgriffs | heaven knows, this sort of testing is sorely needed in a lot of OS projects | 21:23 |
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| boris-42 | kgriffs ya btw you can set criteria of passing benchmark | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: sounds good too but after the next TC meeting, please ;) | 21:24 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs like no failure + avg time < something | 21:24 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs so guys probably you can organize hangout call when it's good for you | 21:24 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs and I can make live demo | 21:24 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs for whole zaqar team | 21:24 |
| kgriffs | that would be super cool | 21:25 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: that sounds really good. Thanks for your availability | 21:25 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs so pick some time | 21:25 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs and send me invite=) | 21:25 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs btw where are you located?) | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | WE have our meeting on Monday's, I'll see if there's a day that works best for everyone and is also good for you | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: you're in pacific time, right ? | 21:26 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 lol nope=) | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: I'm in europe | 21:26 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 I am just crazy dev=) | 21:26 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 Moscow=) | 21:26 |
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| flaper87 | boris-42: that makes it 2 of us | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | :) | 21:26 |
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| boris-42 | and kgriffs where are you from?) | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood to know, somehow I thought you moved to the other side of the world | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | :) | 21:26 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 I am going to be next 2 weeks in the USA | 21:27 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 so I'll be in PST=) | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | I've been saying this for weeks and I think I'll go for it. I should quit programing and become a fortune teller | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | ;) | 21:27 |
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| kgriffs | I'm in the US | 21:27 |
| kgriffs | Austin, TX | 21:27 |
| kgriffs | Central Time | 21:27 |
| kgriffs | guys, I am late for something | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: ok, lets figure a good time for the US, I'll make it happen for me | 21:28 |
| kgriffs | gotta run | 21:28 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs see you | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: have a great weekend man! | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | take care | 21:28 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: FWIW, I feel like zaqar is being held to a higher standard than the alread-integrated projects in some respects. But that is no excuse to do the testing; indeed we've been trying to get this testing done forever, and I'm really happy to see it finally happening. | 21:28 |
| kgriffs | just wanted to be honest | 21:28 |
| kgriffs | gotta run | 21:28 |
| boris-42 | kgriffs +1 | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: same here man, really! | 21:28 |
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| flaper87 | I've been looking forward for this to happen for the last cycle | 21:29 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs in any case at least some project is thinking about performance=) | 21:29 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 kgriffs I am happy=) | 21:29 |
| kgriffs | rock on | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: thanks for the support on this! | 21:29 |
| kgriffs | yes, thanks! | 21:29 |
| kgriffs | ttfn | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: cheers | 21:29 |
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| flaper87 | boris-42: we can present zaqar-bench to you during the hangout | 21:29 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 +1 | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | we kept it simple because we're looking forward to use rally | 21:30 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 so we will be able to make probably new feature_request https://github.com/stackforge/rally/tree/master/doc/feature_request | 21:30 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 to cover your cases if they are not covered | 21:30 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 we don't have specs, we have just feature_reuqests in rally | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | awesome, lets go for that next week. Lets figure out what we need, what's missing in rally and how we can make it happen | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | then we'll code like crazy | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | sounds good to me | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/doc/feature_request/multi_scenarios_load_gen.rst | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 so this is high priority stuff for me next | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 and as I know it's as well important for you | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | indeed it is | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 to generate different kinds of load simultaneously | 21:31 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 without over 9k copy-pasted code | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | a mix of different loads and different scenarios is sometihng we definitely need | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 21:32 |
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| flaper87 | also, I'd like to know if there's a minimum set of tests we could run already with the current version of rally | 21:32 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 there is no zaqar tests =( | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | if so, we could start setting up the gate and rally_scenarios | 21:33 |
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| flaper87 | boris-42: yeah yeah, assuming we add them | 21:33 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 so you need to added just 1 | 21:33 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 and we will take care about gates | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | (sorry if I'm saying something stupid, I still don't know well enough how rally works) | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | sweet | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | ok | 21:33 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 so don't' care about gates=) | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | all that sounds good, teach us how to fish, we'll feed ourselves | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | and give you a cut of that | 21:34 |
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| flaper87 | ;) | 21:34 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 yep that's the goal | 21:34 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 otherwise it doesn't sccale | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | boris-42: weren't you a crazy developer? | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:34 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 =) | 21:34 |
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| flaper87 | (says the guy that's on-line in a Friday midnight | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | ) | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | anyway, I'm off for today | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | :) | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | take care and have a great weekend | 21:35 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 heh here is 1:35 a.m. lol | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | thanks again! | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 21:35 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 ya=) | 21:35 |
| boris-42 | flaper87 so see you | 21:35 |
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| boris-42 | flaper87 and pick some dates | 21:35 |
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