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| stevelle | what is the convention for splitting a bug fix into two commits? As simple as just labeling both as Closes-Bug? | 00:26 |
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| jpich | stevelle: I usually mark one as "Partial-Bug" and the other as "Closes-Bug" (cf. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages#Including_external_references ) | 00:28 |
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| stevelle | perfect, thx | 00:31 |
| stevelle | was having trouble finding that ref. again jpich | 00:32 |
| jpich | stevelle: You're welcome! Sometimes I suspect my brain is just an index to wiki pages | 00:32 |
| jpich | with a few bug reports spread in for variety | 00:32 |
| stevelle | I was looking in the Bugs page, couldn't remember where I saw it originally. | 00:33 |
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| jogo | ttx: I don't see it in the governance/reference/programs.yaml | 01:15 |
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| joa | hello | 12:57 |
| joa | I'm having some issue with devstack's ./stack.sh | 12:57 |
| joa | (nothing I encountered before) | 12:57 |
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| joa | Seems like keystone-manage db_sync can't find it own PKG_INFO (package version it seems) | 12:57 |
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| joa | any idea how that could happen ? | 12:57 |
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| mtreinish | alexpilotti: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117520/3 I think this patch looks like what you needed | 13:43 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: looking | 13:44 |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub: ^^ | 13:44 |
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| mtreinish | alexpilotti: it's probably not a perfect fit, but it looked related | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: we’re looking into it | 13:50 |
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| claudiub | mtreinish: thanks for the link, I'm testing the solution and will also help with the review process. :) | 14:32 |
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| jaypipes | EmilienM: were you looking for moi last night? | 14:52 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117520/ patch reviewed | 16:36 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: there’s one issue and it’d be great to have a config option for the protocol(s) to be used | 16:36 |
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| mtreinish | alexpilotti: yeah, that's what I figured was going to be needed when I took a quick look earlier | 16:37 |
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| sandy | Hello | 17:46 |
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| sandy | I am Sandy and I am installing devstack for my research | 17:48 |
| sandy | But I am getting some problem in installation | 17:48 |
| sandy | Is this the right place to ask for this help? | 17:48 |
| jschwarz | sandy, sure | 17:49 |
| jschwarz | what's the problem? | 17:49 |
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| sandy | I am installing devstack on ubuntu 14.04 | 17:49 |
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| sandy | I am having problem installing nova. It gives : error in setup command: Error parsing /opt/stack/nova/setup.cfg: Exception: Versioning for this project requires either an sdist tarball, or access to an upstream git repository. Are you sure that git is installed? | 17:50 |
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| sandy | Although git is installed on my system | 17:50 |
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| sandy | Am I making any sense? | 17:52 |
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| jschwarz | yes, but I never ran into this | 17:53 |
| jschwarz | maybe someone else will know. also try ask.openstack.org | 17:54 |
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| sandy | ok thanks | 17:54 |
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| earnThis | can anyone help with a dependancy issue im having when running tox? | 18:19 |
| clarkb | earnThis: sure | 18:19 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: so this is summary of the error i get when i run tox in a py27 environment http://paste.openstack.org/show/109029/ | 18:21 |
| earnThis | clarkb: similar error when running the pep8 test | 18:22 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: the test is running on master, off a fresh clone | 18:23 |
| clarkb | earnThis: can you paste the entire tox -epy27 run? | 18:23 |
| earnThis | sure | 18:23 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: http://paste.openstack.org/show/109030/ | 18:26 |
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| clarkb | earnThis: the important bit is 'posix_ipc_module.c:33:20: fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory' specifically Python.h isn't found. This can be corrected by installing the dev python package(s). On ubuntu you can get all of them with the python-all-dev package | 18:27 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: thanks ill give that a shot | 18:31 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: same error after installing python-all-dev and running tox again | 18:34 |
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| clarkb | earnThis: with the same 'posix_ipc_module.c:33:20: fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory' ? | 18:36 |
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| sc68cal | sounds like you need to install python-dev to get the headers | 18:41 |
| sc68cal | for Python.h | 18:41 |
| clarkb | sc68cal: ya python-all-dev was apparently installed | 18:42 |
| clarkb | whcih depends on python-dev | 18:42 |
| sc68cal | I have libpython-dev on my 14.04 box | 18:42 |
| sc68cal | package | 18:42 |
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| sc68cal | I don't know if python-all-dev is a metapackage that installs that | 18:43 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: this is the log file if that helps http://paste.openstack.org/show/109047/ | 19:16 |
| clarkb | earnThis: that does help. that is a new error. the build is now failing on xslt. You want to install libxml2-dev and libxslt-dev iirc | 19:17 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: install them both via pip? | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | no those are system packages | 19:20 |
| clarkb | pip is trying to build bindings against them but the header files don't exist | 19:20 |
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| jgriffith | ayoung: ping | 20:02 |
| ayoung | jgriffith, I've blocked that port | 20:03 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: ? | 20:03 |
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| ayoung | jgriffith, its an IP tables rule. I don't respond to Pings | 20:04 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: oh... ummm, ok | 20:04 |
| ayoung | jgriffith, I think it is in my default security group in Nova | 20:04 |
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| jgriffith | ayoung: finally got it | 20:04 |
| ayoung | Did you run traceroute? | 20:04 |
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| jgriffith | ayoung: so I was noticing scroll back from an earlier meeting | 20:06 |
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| ayoung | uh oh. What'd I say? | 20:06 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: was going to ask you some questions, but as it seems the *network* is hosed, nm | 20:06 |
| jgriffith | :) | 20:06 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: I saw a highlight about "disabling transient cinder failures" | 20:07 |
| ayoung | jgriffith, no, disabling cinder tests so that keystone doesn' | 20:07 |
| ayoung | t | 20:07 |
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| ayoung | gate on cinder or neutron transient errors | 20:07 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: ahh... that's the part where I ran out of scroll back | 20:07 |
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| jgriffith | ayoung: FYI side benefit there is much faster test time :) | 20:08 |
| ayoung | jgriffith, Keystone should not care who uses it. Nova, Glance, Neutron, etc...they are all the same. "Some other service" | 20:08 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: yeah, I was actually thinking about that topic last week | 20:08 |
| ayoung | We cannot assume just because we didn't break them, we haven't broken someone out there | 20:08 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: ie in my ci setup I just run "volume" tagged tests | 20:08 |
| jgriffith | was wondering about the same in the gate | 20:08 |
| jgriffith | although there has to be "some" job that runs everything | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: just not 20 that run everything IMO :) | 20:09 |
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| ayoung | jgriffith, I say lets kick Keystone out of OpenStack | 20:09 |
| ayoung | then we spin up the Keystone foundation | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: ha! I like the way you think | 20:10 |
| ayoung | and have a Keystone Summit every quarter | 20:10 |
| ayoung | in San Antonio | 20:10 |
| jgriffith | ayoung: you needto change the name so it's a *new shiny* though | 20:10 |
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| ayoung | jgriffith, Nah, I like Keystone. But we should change CORE to COPS | 20:10 |
| * jgriffith runs over to propose that on ML | 20:11 | |
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| earnThis | clarkb: you still around? | 20:48 |
| clarkb | earnThis: yup | 20:48 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: so i got the py27 tox test passing but now pep8 is still having issues http://paste.openstack.org/show/109102/ | 20:50 |
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| clarkb | earnThis: it is finding things in the build/ dir I think if you add dir to your .gitignore file pep8 will ignore it | 20:51 |
| clarkb | earnThis: otherwise you will probably need to be more specific in the pep8 call to have it only check the files you want | 20:51 |
| clarkb | doesn't look like logging provides a public interface to go from name to value | 20:53 |
| clarkb | in 3.4 | 20:53 |
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| earnThis | so jus throw build/ into .gitignore? | 20:54 |
| clarkb | ya I think so | 20:54 |
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| earnThis | "build" is already in there | 20:55 |
| earnThis | is that not the dir? | 20:55 |
| clarkb | you may need some *s | 20:55 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: where specifically | 21:00 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: for the *s i mean | 21:00 |
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| clarkb | earnThis: build/** should recursively match all files in that dir | 21:01 |
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| earnThis | clarkb: a single * (build/*) doesnt do that? | 21:02 |
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| clarkb | I think single * is only one level | 21:03 |
| earnThis | hmm alright, same error though | 21:03 |
| clarkb | then pep8 isn't respecting the git ignore like i thought it would | 21:03 |
| clarkb | you will have to figure out the incantation to ignore it with pep8 | 21:04 |
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| reed | mikal, you asked during the TC meeting whether one can resign membership to Foundation: yes, you can https://www.openstack.org/profile/resign/ | 21:21 |
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| mikal | reed: ok cool, so I think that means that we need to do the foundation check at vote generation time | 21:24 |
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| reed | mikal, yes, it's going to be messy until openstackid.org is fully baked | 21:25 |
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| mikal | We should raise this with fungi / anteaya, but I am trapped in a meeting | 21:25 |
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| anteaya | mikal: I'd love to do the foundation check at electoral roll creation time | 21:26 |
| anteaya | (not vote generation) | 21:26 |
| anteaya | but technically we can't right now | 21:27 |
| anteaya | mikal: what meeting are you in now, -project finished? | 21:27 |
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| mikal | anteaya: I was in a catch up release 1:1 | 21:40 |
| mikal | anteaya: I can start a mail thread on how to handle this with fungi / you / reed | 21:40 |
| mikal | And presumably openstack-dev cc'ed | 21:40 |
| mikal | But first, a school run! | 21:41 |
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| reed | mikal, currently chatting with anteaya, too | 21:46 |
| anteaya | mikal: ah | 21:46 |
| anteaya | mikal: safe to school and back home | 21:46 |
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| reed | anteaya, maybe we should move the conversation here, less traffic :) | 21:46 |
| anteaya | up to you | 21:47 |
| anteaya | there is no impression in the electoral roll | 21:47 |
| anteaya | voters are verifying by my hand if they don't recieve a ballot | 21:47 |
| anteaya | and I know where to look to ascertain their status | 21:47 |
| anteaya | if they either have a lost ballot or if they don't qualify | 21:48 |
| anteaya | so I can either confirm their status or confirm they don't have status | 21:48 |
| anteaya | no imprecision | 21:48 |
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| reed | anteaya, how did you create the electoral roll in the past? | 21:49 |
| anteaya | and if the foundation starts changing member status, I need a way to verify that | 21:49 |
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| anteaya | because voters must be foundation members, it is in the charter | 21:49 |
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| reed | until now you've assumed that anyone in gerrit would be a member, right? | 21:50 |
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| anteaya | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/tools/atc/email_stats.py | 21:50 |
| anteaya | reed: no assumption | 21:50 |
| clarkb | anteaya: reed: you can look up individuals membership via the site right? maybe we can collect a per project list of ATCs then cross check that those individuals have an active profile? | 21:50 |
| anteaya | reed: they can't submit a patch to gerrit unless they are | 21:50 |
| clarkb | that removes imprecision assuming profiles go away when resignation happens? | 21:50 |
| anteaya | if the emails match | 21:50 |
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| reed | anteaya, that's what I meant, thanks | 21:51 |
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| reed | clarkb, that's what I'm thinking: produce a list of active members at the time that election roll is created and run a comparison between the two sets | 21:52 |
| anteaya | reed: let's test that to see what happens | 21:52 |
| reed | the problem with that approach is that it's not impossible that for some accounts there wont' be a match because of bad data | 21:52 |
| anteaya | because I can't not start the polls when the polls must be started if we don't have the results we expect | 21:52 |
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| anteaya | reed: exactly correct | 21:52 |
| anteaya | so this introduces a problem that has never been in existance before | 21:53 |
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| anteaya | and the responsiblity is mine to ensure all elegible voters recieve or can recieve a ballto | 21:53 |
| anteaya | but I have to know with certainty who is or is not an elegible voter | 21:54 |
| anteaya | and given these changes, I won't know | 21:54 |
| anteaya | so I will fail to do my job | 21:54 |
| anteaya | which is distressing for me | 21:54 |
| anteaya | and it won't be in compliance with the tc charter | 21:54 |
| reed | anteaya, I am sending an email to Todd and Jim and Jonathan, cc you, to explain the situation | 21:55 |
| anteaya | reed: thank you | 21:55 |
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| anteaya | now if folks want me to swear an oath to give me access to the db so I can confirm status when I need to, that works for me | 21:56 |
| reed | anteaya, what shall we ask? 1) a dump of the list of active members as of today, for you to run a test? | 21:56 |
| anteaya | as long as I can search the data | 21:56 |
| anteaya | give me access to the foundation db | 21:56 |
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| anteaya | and let me learn how to search the db so I can ascertain status | 21:56 |
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| anteaya | we will still need to run a script to match lists | 21:57 |
| anteaya | but I need access to be able to track down edge cases | 21:57 |
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| reed | I can ask to give you access, they'll sort out how... what else? | 21:57 |
| anteaya | let's start there | 21:57 |
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| reed | anteaya, who else besides you is in the committee> | 21:59 |
| reed | ? | 21:59 |
| anteaya | tristanC: | 21:59 |
| anteaya | electoral officials | 22:00 |
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| anteaya | the tc and ptl elections are run by electoral officials, there is no committee | 22:00 |
| clarkb | anteaya: reed: under what cases would we be unable to lookup individuals in the way I described? | 22:00 |
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| clarkb | is that if they register with an emial in gerrit and profile, sign cla, then register new email in gerrit and delete old email in gerrit? | 22:00 |
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| * clarkb is just wondering if maybe we can fix that particular problem | 22:01 | |
| reed | clarkb, the fix is ... damn, I'm tired | 22:02 |
| anteaya | email change in gerrit or email change in foundation profile | 22:02 |
| anteaya | either would do it | 22:02 |
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| anteaya | because we can't depend on names | 22:02 |
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| anteaya | we gerrit it is easy because we start with a git sha | 22:02 |
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| reed | clarkb, exactly like anteaya said, I have learned that the data in those database are full of duplicates and are not 100% reliable | 22:02 |
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| anteaya | and the sha is unique and has a name and email address | 22:03 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 22:03 |
| anteaya | there are no unique ids in the foundation profiles | 22:03 |
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| reed | the fix will be available once we have openstackid.org but i'm tired of mentioning it, it's been in the making for over a year now | 22:03 |
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| anteaya | some people have multiple because they forgot or didtn' understand or whatever | 22:03 |
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| reed | anteaya, because that's the nature of people :) there is always a % that finds it easier to create a new account instead of hitting 'recover password' for some reason | 22:04 |
| anteaya | yup | 22:04 |
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| clarkb | what if we addressed that on the people front and asked peopel to ensure their info was up to date in order to vote | 22:05 |
| clarkb | my government does this to me | 22:05 |
| anteaya | and since the foundation profile doesn't require a gerrit account to be created, there is no way to link a given profile to a gerrit account | 22:05 |
| clarkb | it is my responsibility ot ensure my registration is up to date and correct otherwise I do not get a ballot | 22:05 |
| clarkb | and that system works really well | 22:05 |
| anteaya | if the name or email has drifed | 22:05 |
| anteaya | clarkb: while I agree in principle, ttx and I have exchanged thoughts over this | 22:05 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: and his point is that the tc charter does not mention that eligibility is based on having any kind of email anywhere | 22:06 |
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| anteaya | foundation member + commit == ballot | 22:06 |
| anteaya | is his perspective | 22:06 |
| clarkb | but ti doesn't say that we will do it for you either | 22:06 |
| anteaya | we have to default for the lowest common interpretation of the charter | 22:07 |
| anteaya | for it to have meaning | 22:07 |
| anteaya | don't get me wrong, it would make my job easier | 22:07 |
| anteaya | but it would fail the spirit of the charter, so I can't do that | 22:07 |
| clarkb | that seems like a bug in the charter then | 22:08 |
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| anteaya | I have no argument | 22:08 |
| clarkb | it won't help voter turnout | 22:08 |
| anteaya | do offer a patch | 22:08 |
| anteaya | agreed | 22:08 |
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| anteaya | that is a separate concern | 22:08 |
| anteaya | sometimes I have competing priorites | 22:09 |
| anteaya | but ensuring that the charter is followed as written, not as I would like it to be | 22:09 |
| anteaya | is my overarching responsibility | 22:09 |
| clarkb | understood. just wrapping my head around the issues involved here | 22:09 |
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| anteaya | thanks for taking the time to do so | 22:10 |
| anteaya | I appreciate it | 22:10 |
| reed | email sent | 22:10 |
| anteaya | thanks | 22:10 |
| fungi | huh. i go to eat dinner and get pinged up one side of a project meeting and down the other side of the dev channel ;) | 22:10 |
| reed | dinner at 5pm? | 22:11 |
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| reed | i just had lunch | 22:11 |
| reed | oh, no, that was hours ago... time flies | 22:11 |
| anteaya | it does | 22:12 |
| anteaya | fungi: we need you everywhere | 22:12 |
| anteaya | :D | 22:12 |
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| clarkb | its obviously too late to do this now, but hasthe idea of trying to switch to a more proactive requirement come up? | 22:14 |
| * anteaya goes to find food, is curious on hearing fungi's thoughts once he has gotten through the backscroll | 22:14 | |
| anteaya | clarkb: well fungi suggested opt-in the other day | 22:14 |
| anteaya | but that was the first mention | 22:14 |
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| anteaya | and honestly I would like to hold off on change teh system conversations on the ml until after this election season is over | 22:15 |
| anteaya | folks get confused enough as it is | 22:15 |
| clarkb | yup thats fair | 22:15 |
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| anteaya | but any kind of change will likely touch the charter | 22:15 |
| anteaya | so we would have to go through the change the tc charter process to have any different process | 22:16 |
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| clarkb | from a technical standpoint voter registration could be quite straight forward. supply gerrit info, supply profile info. then right before election check that the two line up and that the individual has ATC status. if true send ballot | 22:17 |
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| clarkb | which is very similar to how vote by mail works here | 22:17 |
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| fungi | yeah, right now we need to address the present situation, then at the earliest opportunity we can talk about how we might engineer an electoral registration system (which could automatically check contributions for which you provided git shas as proof against your member profile and commit author metadata, co-authored-by header lines, et cetera) | 22:25 |
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| anteaya | fungi: agreed, your thoughts on addressing the present situation? | 22:27 |
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| fungi | anteaya: basically we err on the side of conservativity as we've done before. this time it may make sense for me to match voters against the active membership or delete any appearing on the list of resigned/expired members | 22:28 |
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| fungi | and then if, due to inevitable drift in contact info, someone doesn't get a ballot they'll contact an official and provide (hopefully sufficient) information to get them added before the election concludes | 22:29 |
| anteaya | sounds reasonable | 22:30 |
| reed | anteaya, check Jimmy's response to the email, I think the the database on openstack.org is currently querying Gerrit and keeping some records | 22:30 |
| fungi | but it's already a situation we've been in, where someone may no longer have control over their gerrit preferred e-mail address and never gets the ballot info. or prior to last cycle it could have been any random gerrit e-mail in fact because we didn't sort preferred e-mail first in the list | 22:30 |
| anteaya | so getting you a current dump of the foundation list or resignation list, would either be helpful to you for testing your script, fungi? | 22:31 |
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| anteaya | fungi: right, but in those situation, I confirmed in gerrit | 22:31 |
| reed | anteaya, can you reply to him and let him know what data you need from there? I think he can do the matching with gerrit accounts | 22:31 |
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| fungi | reed: anteaya: i believe the present concern is more that we might accidentally send ballots to expired/resigned foundation members who are recent code contributors? | 22:32 |
| anteaya | that is one concern | 22:32 |
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| fungi | (and less that someone may initially not get a ballot even though they were expecting one?) | 22:33 |
| anteaya | the other is that we remove them, if we remove anyone, and they email me asking for a ballot, and I can't verify their foundation membership status | 22:33 |
| reed | fungi, and what I'm saying is that Jimmy has already put in place a system that queries gerrit to check if an account on the .org database is committing code | 22:33 |
| fungi | right, if they're not a foundation member they're technically not an atc per the bylaws | 22:34 |
| reed | fungi, unfortunately I don't have all the details about such system | 22:34 |
| reed | fungi, exactly | 22:34 |
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| anteaya | reed: yes, and that is not making me happy either | 22:34 |
| reed | fungi, the .org database *may* (I don't know, we need to ask Jimmy) already have the data the electoral committee needs | 22:34 |
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| anteaya | since I can't hand verify if there are bugs | 22:34 |
| anteaya | since even fungi's script might possibly have bugs | 22:35 |
| anteaya | so any emails I get I hand verify | 22:35 |
| reed | we must assume there are bugs everywhere | 22:35 |
| anteaya | so it won't work for me if I can't also confirm data from the foundation database | 22:35 |
| anteaya | reed: yes, we must | 22:35 |
| reed | anteaya, Jimmy can send you the reports you need so you can verify | 22:35 |
| anteaya | so while jimmy's report might be 99% accurate I also need to be able to confirm data with my own eyes | 22:36 |
| anteaya | I need to be able to verify the foundation status | 22:36 |
| reed | anteaya, what do you mean? | 22:36 |
| anteaya | I mean that when someone emails me to assure me they should be voting and they dont have a ballot | 22:36 |
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| anteaya | I look for their git sha in gerrit | 22:36 |
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| reed | gotcha | 22:37 |
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| anteaya | example: c35a639e1e59819998578c5eb5e9c65684dc7a35 | 22:37 |
| reed | so, Jimmy can produce you the list of active members of the foundation at Sept. 26 | 22:37 |
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| anteaya | reed: copy that and feed that into the review.openstack.org search field | 22:37 |
| anteaya | post the url of teh patch that corresponds to it | 22:37 |
| reed | I get it, so there are two processes we're discussing | 22:38 |
| reed | 1) generate the initial list of electors | 22:38 |
| anteaya | reed jimmy's list doesn't get me where I need to be | 22:38 |
| anteaya | it just fixes the automated part of it | 22:38 |
| reed | 2) check the validity of claims to be included in that list | 22:39 |
| anteaya | what about the parts the scripts miss | 22:39 |
| anteaya | here is teh commit message matching the above sha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119543/2//COMMIT_MSG | 22:39 |
| reed | is that all? | 22:39 |
| anteaya | timestamp, email, author name | 22:39 |
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| anteaya | I need to be able to check validity | 22:39 |
| anteaya | myself and tristan | 22:39 |
| anteaya | we are the electoral officials | 22:39 |
| reed | anteaya, let's split the discussion to make this simpler to grok | 22:40 |
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| reed | and because processes 1 and 2 have different solutions | 22:40 |
| anteaya | I don't depend on anyone's word to confirm any data in gerrit | 22:40 |
| anteaya | I can't do that for the foundation database | 22:40 |
| reed | we have to live with the fact that gerrit is not the *single* source of truth anymore, | 22:41 |
| reed | you and tristan will have to check in both places | 22:41 |
| anteaya | that is what I am saying | 22:41 |
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| anteaya | so we need permissions to do so | 22:41 |
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| reed | anteaya, yes, and Jimmy just said "tell me what you need to see and I'll give it to you" | 22:42 |
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| fungi | it sounds like the "report" reed's talking about from the foundation member database will not need to be anything more than a dump of names and e-mail addresses and member status. i can help correlate that to the dump i generate from gerrit | 22:42 |
| anteaya | I need to see enough information on a given profile to confirm that a person is who they say they are and what their foundation membership status is | 22:42 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 22:43 |
| fungi | it doesn't sound like it's going to be particularly involved | 22:43 |
| anteaya | and date/timestamps when the foundation membership status changed | 22:43 |
| reed | fungi, anteaya, yes, it should be fairly simple | 22:43 |
| anteaya | good | 22:43 |
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| reed | fungi, anteaya, actually, I have the impression that the database may also have more data... just asked Jimmy for more | 22:48 |
| fungi | reed: thanks. we have a couple weeks to get the details ironed out, so should be plenty of opportunity for me to try a dry-run and do some match-up to make sure it's going to be a workable solution without delaying the election | 22:49 |
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| anteaya | fungi: the timing of the elections are set in the charter | 22:54 |
| anteaya | fungi: I'm interested in hearing and exploring every other option | 22:55 |
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| fungi | anteaya: yep, which is why i don't believe delaying them is an option | 22:56 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thanks, glad we are of the same mind | 22:59 |
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| devananda | flaper87|afk: fwiw, in the zaqar wiki, "key features" #2 still says "queue" | 23:31 |
| devananda | flaper87|afk: you should probably change that | 23:31 |
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