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| vkmc | gpocentek, hi! thanks for your review in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114530/3 | 13:19 |
| vkmc | gpocentek, yesterday I was chatting with annegentle about the configuration docs generator tool | 13:20 |
| vkmc | gpocentek, if you have a moment, could you give me some pointers on that? | 13:20 |
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| gpocentek | vkmc: hi! | 13:22 |
| gpocentek | vkmc: I've seen your discussion with Anne, and updated the tools README this morning | 13:23 |
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| vkmc | gpocentek, oh thanks for that | 13:23 |
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| vkmc | gpocentek, in reply to your comment in Gerrit, I didn't add the configuration reference for Zaqar in the manual because it's not a graduated project yet | 13:24 |
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| gpocentek | vkmc: oh right | 13:24 |
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| vkmc | but we wanted to use the right tools to make sure that eventually we can merge it with the rest of the docs | 13:24 |
| gpocentek | that's great, you know the configuration better than the doc team, so it's a big help for us | 13:25 |
| vkmc | that's good to hear | 13:26 |
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| vkmc | I'm not a documentator though, so I may need some guidance from you to make sure our docs have a good quality | 13:27 |
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| vkmc | gpocentek, so, running ./autohelp-wrapper create zaqar should do the trick? | 13:31 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: hi | 13:31 |
| gpocentek | vkmc: yes, it will create the initial flagmappings file | 13:32 |
| gpocentek | vkmc: then you just have to edit this file to define sections, and run './autohelp-wrapper docbook zaqar' to generate the tables | 13:33 |
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| vkmc | gpocentek, thanks :) I'm on it! | 13:35 |
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| vkmc | gpocentek, sorry to bother again, where should be the project.headers file located? is there a sample? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools/tree/master/autogenerate_config_docs#flagmappings-files | 15:09 |
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| vkmc | gpocentek, and where should be the docbook output? | 15:09 |
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| gpocentek | vkmc: the generated files are sources/openstack-manuals/doc/common/tables/qazar-* | 15:17 |
| gpocentek | vkmc: and the .headers file are in the same folder as the flagmapping files | 15:17 |
| vkmc | gpocentek, thanks a lot :) | 15:18 |
| gpocentek | vkmc: a .hearders file example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116706/3/tools/autogenerate-config-flagmappings/cinder.headers | 15:18 |
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| vishy | alexpilotti: hi | 15:56 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: hi vishy! | 15:56 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: I found an issue with live migration, which has a note that you left on top | 15:57 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1361738 | 15:57 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1361738 in cinder "Live migration on Hyper-V disconnects attached volumes on target" [Undecided,New] | 15:57 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: the line generating the issue: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/c594340359e3d148b6c349c388f10327ac7b8bfa/nova/compute/manager.py#L4868 | 15:58 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: besides the fact that I posted the bug on the wrong project :-) | 15:58 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: it was meant for nova | 15:59 |
| vishy | you should be able to move it | 15:59 |
| vishy | but it doesn’t look like a bug to me | 15:59 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: the idea is that that call disconencts the target | 15:59 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: and it becomes suddenly unavailable on the destination host as well | 16:00 |
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| vishy | but it shouldn’t | 16:00 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: if I look at the cinder implementation, that’s what happens: | 16:00 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/manager.py#L875 | 16:00 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: I was also expecting terminate_connection to just close the specific connection (e.g. closing a session) | 16:01 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: but surely not remove the target itself! | 16:01 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: I’m pretty sure this worked at some point | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: me too :-) | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: I’m actually enabling live migration Tempest tests in the Hyper-V CI | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: and stumbled on this issue | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: I can guarantee that when we wrote the live migration Hyper-V code it was working | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: I still have to check if it’s broken on libvirt as well or not | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: the big question is: what is the expoected semantic of terminate_connection? | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | jgriffith: hi ^ | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | lpetrut: ^ | 16:06 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: here was the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14776/ | 16:06 |
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| vishy | merged during grizzly | 16:07 |
| vishy | so i suspect back then cinder only disconnected the one | 16:07 |
| vishy | let me look | 16:07 |
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| vishy | alexpilotti: in grizzly terminate connection did not disconnect iscsi share | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: now, the interesting part is that the symmetric self.volume_api.initialize_connection disappeared as well | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: good catch | 16:10 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: so it doesn’t seem to currently either | 16:10 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: what cinder driver are you using? | 16:10 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: tried with both LVM and Windows | 16:10 |
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| vishy | really? i don’t see anything in iscsi that terminates connection | 16:11 |
| vishy | 989 def terminate_connection(self, volume, connector, **kwargs): | 16:11 |
| vishy | 990 pass | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/lvm.py#L549 | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: it’s the manager the issue | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: see link at the beginning | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/manager.py#L875 | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | the manager after calling terminate_connection it also calls remove_export | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | terminate_connection on the driver is harmless as expected | 16:13 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: ah yes that is new | 16:13 |
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| vishy | lets find when that went in | 16:14 |
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| alexpilotti | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/commit/d09d12ab2ba72a9e7fe42852a7cf837231053590 | 16:14 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: I2b192630ebed54368f151db47b49cbc72601a8d7 | 16:14 |
| vishy | yeah | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | teh one i posted was just adding teh elvated context stuff | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | vishy: alexpilotti I put that in several months ago | 16:15 |
| vishy | the second one by avishay | 16:15 |
| vishy | was the incorrect one | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | vishy: alexpilotti create targets on attach, and remove them on detach | 16:15 |
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| vishy | 2. The manager called remove_export from detach_volume, which was not | 16:16 |
| vishy | being called by these functions. I believe it makes more sense to call | 16:16 |
| vishy | it from terminate_connection. Moved it there, and fixed up the | 16:16 |
| vishy | corresponding code in _detach_volume in driver.py. | 16:16 |
| vishy | that needs to be fixed | 16:16 |
| vishy | lets move to cinder | 16:16 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: there’s also the fact that teh patch that you pointed out had a simmetric volume connection initialization in pre_live_migration which disappeared | 16:18 |
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| vishy | alexpilotti: that is gone now? | 16:18 |
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| alexpilotti | vishy: yep, if you look in pre_live_migration it’s gone | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: teh only place where initialize_connection is called is in swap_volume | 16:20 |
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| vishy | alexpilotti: it just moved | 16:22 |
| vishy | its way deep in 4697 block_device_info = self._get_instance_block_device_info( | 16:22 |
| vishy | 4698 context, instance, refresh_conn_info=True) | 16:22 |
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| vishy | the refrsh_conn_info=True calls it | 16:22 |
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| harlowja | vishy yt, got a question for u | 17:57 |
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| harlowja | saw that u made https://github.com/python-zk/kazoo/pulls/vishvananda a while ago, do u have some time to jump in #zookeeper ? | 17:58 |
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| nunizacu | hi, i googled i guess everything that google has but still cant find solution, is it a good place to maybe find some clues? | 19:21 |
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| nunizacu | i already got rid of rpc v 1.3 problem, but it wasnt main problem as it seams | 19:23 |
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| emagana | does anyone know if there is a channel to ask questions about Fuel? | 20:20 |
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| anish | hey guys, anyone know if new specs are being accepted for the k-release ? | 20:24 |
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| anish | I gather that there is a window for these kinda things | 20:24 |
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| vishy | zul, Daviey: we are running into this bug in production: http://bugs.python.org/issue21742 It is fixed in utopic python 2.7.8 but it might be worth backporting to trusty-updates | 20:44 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: hi | 20:56 |
| mtreinish | alexpilotti: hi | 20:56 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: I redid one of the patches I sent, it actually spares one config option :-) | 20:57 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114820/ | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok cool | 20:58 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: both patches are really small, do you think we could merge them before code freeze? | 20:58 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: the other being: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114759/ | 20:58 |
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| alexpilotti | I’ve looking for andreaf for a review | 20:59 |
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| mtreinish | alexpilotti: we don't have a code feature freeze for tempest :) | 20:59 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: I know :-) | 20:59 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: it’s for the Hyper-V CI | 20:59 |
| mtreinish | because most of are contributions come after the other projects do a freeze | 20:59 |
| mtreinish | ahh, ok | 20:59 |
| mtreinish | alexpilotti: I think that andreaf is out this week | 21:00 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: we need those fixes to get the scenario tests working in the CI | 21:00 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: and the reference to the freeze is that we want to be sure we don’t merge regressions | 21:01 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: since the last days are usually hectic and lots of stuff merges at once | 21:01 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: BTW not only the live migration tests work well, we even managed to catch a big regression in Cinder with them | 21:02 |
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| mtreinish | alexpilotti: cool | 21:03 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: soing some final tests, then we’ll run them on every check in the Hyper-V CI | 21:04 |
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| alexpilotti | s/soing/doing/ | 21:04 |
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| mtreinish | yeah that will be awesome to have running | 21:04 |
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| mtreinish | alexpilotti: do you guys run hyper-v ci on tempest too? | 21:04 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: not yet, ATM we do Nova, Neutron and getting ready for Cinder | 21:05 |
| mtreinish | alexpilotti: ok, I was just thinking if you could run on tempest we can use hyper-v ci to expand on some of the multiode tests | 21:06 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: sure, it’d be also great to avoid introducing features that break on Hyper-V | 21:06 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: for examples tests that depend on QCOw2 only, etc | 21:07 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: I’m going to bring this up at the next Hyper-V meeting | 21:08 |
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| mtreinish | alexpilotti: ok, cool. When is the meeting? | 21:09 |
| alexpilotti | mtreinish: Tue at 16 GMT, unfortunatelly we just missed this one | 21:09 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: sent email to the other guys in the team to start the discussion, will be back ASAP with a timeframe | 21:17 |
| mtreinish | ok cool, thanks | 21:17 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: np | 21:19 |
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| alexpilotti | mtreinish: and thanks for the +2s :) | 21:21 |
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| zul | vishy: can you open up a bug in launchpad about it? | 21:44 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: so that we can all nail down how this test resources thing will work, I’m going to do a BP that will lay out the different options for setting up /tearing down resources and what will be involved: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/long-lived-transactionalized-db-fixtures. for now I’m going to put that an approach using load_tests() will be needed if we are to integrate with testresourcres | 21:57 |
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| jogo | boris-42: ping | 22:06 |
| boris-42 | jogo pong | 22:06 |
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| jogo | re: feature request | 22:06 |
| boris-42 | jogo yep? | 22:06 |
| jogo | so is this a roadmap or a way to request a feature | 22:06 |
| jogo | boris-42: because it sounds like you want to do both | 22:07 |
| jogo | with the same thing | 22:07 |
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| boris-42 | jogo so lemme explain how Rally team works | 22:08 |
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| boris-42 | jogo i am going to different operators/qa/devs (and not only in community) | 22:08 |
| boris-42 | jogo asking what do you think | 22:09 |
| boris-42 | jogo and they are saying oh this is missing, and this and this and this=) | 22:09 |
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| boris-42 | jogo then I am working on technical road map with rally team to make these features | 22:09 |
| jogo | boris-42: right, so that is a two step process right? | 22:10 |
| boris-42 | jogo so… road map is just covering really use cases | 22:10 |
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| jogo | 1) get feedback | 22:10 |
| jogo | 2) take feedback and make a roadmap | 22:10 |
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| boris-42 | jogo yep so this is some kind of non-technical roadmap | 22:10 |
| boris-42 | jogo so user feedback is transformed to missing use cases | 22:11 |
| boris-42 | jogo and real roadmap is for devs somewhere discussed in patches/google docs hanougts and so on | 22:11 |
| boris-42 | jogo real/tehnical* | 22:11 |
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| boris-42 | jogo so end users can take a look at that directory and see, aha another one user faced https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/doc/feature_request/LDAP_support.rst | 22:12 |
| boris-42 | jogo so it means that rally team is already working on addressing this | 22:12 |
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| boris-42 | jogo and actually end user (at least those that we have) don't care too much about what changes are required in rally =) | 22:13 |
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| jogo | boris-42: so I like the intention, just not sure why forcing operators to submit a patch is the easiest solution | 22:13 |
| jogo | filing a bug has a lower overhead than a spec | 22:14 |
| jogo | err gerrit patch | 22:14 |
| boris-42 | jogo take a look at the readme | 22:14 |
| boris-42 | jogo https://github.com/stackforge/rally/tree/master/doc/feature_request | 22:14 |
| boris-42 | If you don't have time to contribute via gerrit, please contact Boris Pavlovic (boris@pavlovic.me) | 22:14 |
| jogo | yeah that isn't a good solution | 22:14 |
| jogo | its a SPOF | 22:14 |
| jogo | why not open that up to the team | 22:14 |
| jogo | via bug triage? | 22:14 |
| jogo | isn't that easier and more out in the open? | 22:15 |
| boris-42 | so lemme expalin | 22:15 |
| boris-42 | if Operators/Users/someone doesn't have time to do all this license agreement | 22:15 |
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| boris-42 | he is sending proposal to me (on email) | 22:15 |
| boris-42 | And I publishing review in code | 22:15 |
| boris-42 | then whole rally team is disucssion | 22:15 |
| boris-42 | discussing how to align it with everything | 22:16 |
| boris-42 | (but doing this in normal way like specs are done now) | 22:16 |
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| boris-42 | jogo so no direct merging "new features" | 22:16 |
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| jogo | boris-42: but why not just have non-devs file bugs | 22:19 |
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| jogo | that is the standard way for a user to interact with a project | 22:19 |
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| boris-42 | jogo reviewing process is really hard, and mess between bugs & non bugs in bugs, and it's hard to get overview, to make everybody use the same format and so on | 22:22 |
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| jogo | boris-42: so there are two things here: | 22:22 |
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| jogo | 1) make it easy to understand the roadmap | 22:22 |
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| jogo | 2) make it easy for a user to file a feature request | 22:22 |
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| boris-42 | jogo ya something like that | 22:23 |
| jogo | they are two seperate yet related issues. I don't think there is a one size solution for both | 22:23 |
| boris-42 | jogo I will try | 22:23 |
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| boris-42 | jogo we should make experiment | 22:23 |
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| boris-42 | jogo if it will work => then we can add this in other projects | 22:24 |
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| jogo | boris-42: good luck with your experiment, but asking users to email you personally isn't a good model | 22:24 |
| boris-42 | jogo if it doesn't work => then we can remove it from rally=) | 22:24 |
| jogo | or emailing the PTL personally in general* | 22:24 |
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| boris-42 | jogo agree not ideal | 22:24 |
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| JayF | if someone is told to email a single person | 22:24 |
| jogo | so what happens if someone files a wishlist bug in your model | 22:24 |
| JayF | that becomes a single point of failure in the project | 22:24 |
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| jogo | JayF: that i what boris-42 is proposing https://github.com/stackforge/rally/tree/master/doc/feature_request | 22:25 |
| boris-42 | JayF for now I am not going to die | 22:25 |
| boris-42 | JayF and project is quite small (in comparison to Nova) | 22:25 |
| boris-42 | JayF putting there few emails or mailing list* | 22:25 |
| JayF | my old manager used to say 'win the lottery' instead of 'hit by bus' in these examples because he was superstitious :) | 22:25 |
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| boris-42 | JayF will resolve issue+) | 22:25 |
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| boris-42 | JayF hm | 22:26 |
| boris-42 | JayF I like that=) | 22:26 |
| JayF | I'd say that if, as it seems on the list, you have aspirations of being part of the larger community, perhaps accepting some of the general practices used by other projects | 22:26 |
| boris-42 | JayF so I am not plaing in lottery=) | 22:26 |
| boris-42 | playing* | 22:26 |
| JayF | like LP bugs or BPs for tracking new features in a repo that's different than any other project | 22:26 |
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| boris-42 | JayF I tried =) | 22:26 |
| JayF | means it's going to be harder for you to achieve that goal | 22:26 |
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| JayF | I don't have a strong opinion, I don't use or plan to use rally, just offering general insight :) | 22:27 |
| boris-42 | JayF https://launchpad.net/rally | 22:27 |
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| boris-42 | JayF so imho launchpad is more for developers | 22:27 |
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| boris-42 | JayF for all long period I saw only one request in bug | 22:28 |
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| JayF | I worked in system administration for many years before becoming a developer, and filing bugs was well within the purvue of what I did | 22:28 |
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| JayF | So I think that's not a barrier. I'd be curious if the low bug traffic was because of low adoption at that point in time. | 22:29 |
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| boris-42 | JayF I mean, I dislike idea publishing this as a bug | 22:30 |
| boris-42 | JayF https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/doc/feature_request/comparing_results_of_2_tasks.rst | 22:30 |
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| boris-42 | JayF cause it's feature | 22:30 |
| JayF | wow, that particular feature request sounds more like an integration test | 22:30 |
| boris-42 | JayF and to implement this maybe we will have multiple blueprints | 22:30 |
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| boris-42 | JayF hm?) | 22:31 |
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| boris-42 | JayF "task" is bunch of "benchmarks" | 22:31 |
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| boris-42 | JayF in rally* | 22:31 |
| JayF | How do benchmarks differ from the api tests in tempest, except for them being timed? | 22:31 |
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| boris-42 | JayF there are few difference (btw you can generate load in rally with tempest scenarios) | 22:32 |
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| JayF | either way, not trying to get into the chatter :) Just generally saying if you swim with the stream and do things like other projects do that are larger and integrated (which it seems like rally aspires to be), you might make things easier in the future :) | 22:32 |
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| JayF | I gotta go back to patching cloud-init :) nice chat | 22:32 |
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| boris-42 | JayF yep I am trying to do =) | 22:33 |
| boris-42 | JayF thanks for advices=) | 22:33 |
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| jogo | JayF: chatter away, you said it better then I did | 22:37 |
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| nunizacu | is it a good place to ask for help after googling for almost 24 hours and asking on relevant openstack channels? seams like unusual bug | 23:09 |
| clarkb | nunizacu: usually just best to ask and if people are able to they can answer | 23:09 |
| nunizacu | im starting to loose hope in openstack suppport | 23:09 |
| nunizacu | problem is noone is able to help | 23:10 |
| nunizacu | so i thought maybe delevelopes may be | 23:10 |
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| nunizacu | if it's wrong, sorry, but i cant fnd any place to find even a clue whats wrong | 23:11 |
| nunizacu | its 72h hours im fighting with this error and no sign whats going on | 23:12 |
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| JayF | All you can do is ask and if someone sees it and can help they will. openstack@lists.openstack.org is also a support mailing list which might have a bigger audience. | 23:12 |
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| nunizacu | oh man, it will take horrible amount of time, i havent seen anyone having this error, even on mailing lists, no one heard about it, and everyday im losing money | 23:14 |
| nunizacu | i got 3 labs and work, i cant spend month looking for error that is not obvious even where debug on everything | 23:15 |
| jroll | we can't help fix the error if you don't tell us what it is | 23:15 |
| jroll | or point us at a mailing list email | 23:15 |
| jroll | or something | 23:15 |
| nunizacu | i can describe it so easly its not really needed | 23:16 |
| nunizacu | i changed from linuxbridge to neutron ml2 on 14.10 2014.2 | 23:16 |
| nunizacu | problem is qvb an qvo is not created ( from nova-compute.log) | 23:17 |
| nunizacu | and openswich log loops adding netwoking to bridges | 23:17 |
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| nunizacu | so i can start instance | 23:17 |
| nunizacu | s/can/cant | 23:17 |
| nunizacu | there is also problem with l3-agent rpc i fixed just by changing 1.3 to 1.0 in rpc version for now | 23:18 |
| jroll | ok, did you email openstack-dev mailing list about this? did you ask in the neutron channel? | 23:19 |
| JayF | jroll: not openstack-dev | 23:19 |
| JayF | jroll: openstack@ | 23:19 |
| jroll | ok | 23:19 |
| jroll | that | 23:19 |
| jroll | I don't know anything, I just write code | 23:19 |
| nunizacu | yes - they said go to openstack-neutron | 23:19 |
| nunizacu | i was there for so long i lost patience | 23:20 |
| nunizacu | i guess they help eveyone besides me | 23:20 |
| nunizacu | before i even told whats the problem | 23:20 |
| nunizacu | btw. i started as a programist but prefer c# | 23:21 |
| JayF | I'd suggest compiling details of your problem into a bug from neutron, including any logs, even if they don't seem relevant, then ask someone in the channel about the bug specifically | 23:21 |
| JayF | if you ask for help without saying your problem, most folks don't want to help because they have no idea if they can help | 23:21 |
| JayF | for instance, jroll and I work on Ironic and don't know as much about neutron, so we can't help too much with your problem | 23:21 |
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| nunizacu | well, i started with simple question 'can someone help me with my problem' | 23:22 |
| nunizacu | maybe i'm tooo oldschool | 23:22 |
| jroll | nobody can answer that question | 23:22 |
| JayF | which nobody knows the answer to until you describe your problem :) | 23:22 |
| JayF | there's a saying for getting help in IRC | 23:22 |
| jroll | without knowing the problem | 23:22 |
| JayF | Ask your question instead of asking to ask your question :) | 23:22 |
| nunizacu | well, you can always say 'i can try, describe it' | 23:22 |
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| nunizacu | in old times people wansn't so obvious :D | 23:23 |
| JayF | I've been around IRC for a decade, and most folks I know prefer working the way I describe. Doesn't matter though, that's just my suggestion as to get better results than you've had so far. Good luck. | 23:24 |
| nunizacu | but only thing on irc didnt change - people hanging on irc for week even when they are on vacaton | 23:24 |
| nunizacu | well, thanks for pleasnt supprise, ill try and if you like, i can tell you if it did any good | 23:25 |
| nunizacu | :D | 23:25 |
| nunizacu | couse my sixth sense yells it wonnt change anything :D | 23:25 |
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| nunizacu | posted on openstack-neutorn, waitng till my beard turn white | 23:31 |
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