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| annegentlereally | thanks sdague, done | 16:05 |
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| raildo | annegentlereally: Telles asked me to solve this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1290857 | 16:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1290857 in openstack-api-site "Image list api is wrong" [High,Confirmed] | 16:13 |
| raildo | annegentlereally: But this is my first documentation bug , I'm still a little lost. I think this https://github.com/openstack/api-site/blob/master/api-ref/src/wadls/compute-api/src/v2/wadl/os-compute-2.wadl#L1148 is the right spot to make the solution, am I right? | 16:14 |
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| annegentlereally | raildo: looking | 16:17 |
| annegentlereally | raildo: the source file for the http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-compute.html page is in openstack/api-site | 16:17 |
| annegentlereally | raildo: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1290857/comments/1 | 16:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1290857 in openstack-api-site "Image list api is wrong" [High,Confirmed] | 16:18 |
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| annegentlereally | raildo: also in another comment I show how I fixed it previously | 16:18 |
| annegentlereally | raildo: feel free to ask as you go though! Thanks for the assist! | 16:18 |
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| raildo | annegentlereally: I followed your comments in the bug and found that point https://github.com/openstack/api-site/blob/master/api-ref/src/wadls/compute-api/src/v2/wadl/os-compute-2.wadl#L1148 | 16:19 |
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| raildo | annegentlereally: So I would include something like id="tenant_id" <resource path="{tenant_id}"> </ resource> here? | 16:22 |
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| annegentlereally | raildo: sorry I have a meeting to run to -- I'll triage further in the bug itself | 16:29 |
| annegentlereally | raildo: but yes you need to close out resource apparently | 16:29 |
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| raildo | annegentlereally: ok, thanks! | 16:34 |
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| dtroyer_zz | JoeHazzers: you need one or both of the VNC proxies on the compute node for that to work, by default n-novnc and n-xvnc are started in single node | 17:47 |
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| reed | and it's Community Office Hour time :) | 17:59 |
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| anteaya | tweeted | 18:04 |
| anteaya | so since noone else is crowding me out | 18:04 |
| anteaya | can you explain what the goal of openstackid is? | 18:05 |
| anteaya | I have been operating under the notion it is a replacement for our current use of launchpad sso | 18:05 |
| anteaya | but there seems to be other stuff | 18:05 |
| anteaya | I ask because it appears I will be using the db for election roll creation | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | or asking fungi to use the db | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | reed ^ | 18:07 |
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| reed | anteaya, the goal of openstackid is to replace launchpad as openid provider | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | great | 18:08 |
| anteaya | any other goals? | 18:08 |
| reed | once we have one ID we can do all sorts of interesting stuff | 18:08 |
| reed | first of all, we make onboarding a lot less cumbersome | 18:09 |
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| fungi | anteaya: reed: well, more specifically once there is no longer any enforcement of foundation membership, openstackid becomes the likely place to get the index tie-ins between who is a foundation member and who has a gerrit account | 18:09 |
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| fungi | which we will need to get from somewhere to be able to conduct elections | 18:09 |
| reed | new developers now need to jump through many hoops in order to submit code, for example | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | right | 18:09 |
| reed | removing launchpad from the equation will helps us out | 18:09 |
| anteaya | so they aren't forced to become foundation members anymore, they can opt-in | 18:10 |
| reed | fungi mentioned another advantage | 18:10 |
| reed | anteaya, also, it opens up the possibility to remove the requirement to be a member | 18:10 |
| anteaya | yay | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | that will be great for elections | 18:11 |
| fungi | anteaya: openstackid isn't specifically trying to solve the electoral issues around "contributors don't have to be foundation members" but i think it will need to be an integral part of the solution | 18:11 |
| anteaya | then people who actually _want_ to vote will become members | 18:11 |
| reed | since we'll use openid also on new systems, like groups.openstack.org, it will help us understand our 'users' too and provide better services | 18:11 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes | 18:11 |
| anteaya | cool | 18:11 |
| fungi | ...wiki, storyboard... | 18:12 |
| anteaya | sorry if you covered this already in an infra meeting | 18:12 |
| anteaya | what is the current status of openstackid? | 18:12 |
| fungi | hopefully zanata/pootle/whatever we do for translations | 18:12 |
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| reed | what else... it opens up the possibility to have 'badges' for community members and meaningful personal pages for people involved in openstack | 18:12 |
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| reed | my vision is to have openstack personal profile pages something like http://codepen.io/SachaG/ where people can 'show off' the stuff they do | 18:13 |
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| reed | anteaya, regarding the status of openid ... | 18:14 |
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| reed | the software is in decent state now on https://openstackid-dev.openstack.org/, it is capable of authenticating against groups-dev | 18:15 |
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| anteaya | that's a start | 18:15 |
| reed | in order to go live openstackid needs: a name and a domain and a connection to the 'real' user's database | 18:16 |
| anteaya | that's all? | 18:16 |
| reed | anteaya, yes, it's close to be 'done' for a very basic functioning version | 18:16 |
| reed | an MVP, as hipsters say | 18:17 |
| anteaya | what is the roll out process | 18:17 |
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| anteaya | are you wanting some beta testers or do you want the thundering herd | 18:17 |
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| reed | I don't think there will be much traffic ... none at all until we have groups go live :) | 18:17 |
| reed | and even then, groups will not have major functionalities either at the beginning | 18:18 |
| anteaya | well I want to use it for election roll creation | 18:18 |
| reed | anteaya, explain please, not sure I follow | 18:18 |
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| anteaya | so if this is a thing that I might be able to use in j3, I need to start getting this in front of folks to change the process | 18:19 |
| reed | oh, I see what you mean... | 18:19 |
| anteaya | up until now we have forced every new contributor to become a foundation member | 18:19 |
| anteaya | since only members can be an ATC so voting and summit passes | 18:19 |
| anteaya | but they don't have to be a member to contribute | 18:19 |
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| reed | right... so, before we get to use this database for elections one major thing needs to happen: gerrit needs to start using that | 18:20 |
| anteaya | so if I might have access to a db that shows me the set of all contributors who are foundation members, I can use that for elections | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | okay | 18:20 |
| anteaya | there we are | 18:20 |
| reed | and the TC needs to change the policies | 18:20 |
| anteaya | right | 18:20 |
| anteaya | so I need to work on the tc end of things | 18:20 |
| reed | I think there is general agreement that devs need not be foundation individual members | 18:20 |
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| tristanC | reed: I like the idea of personal pages for contributors, it's sometime blury where do find infos between openstack community page, launchpad, irc and gerrit. Especially when mails addrs are not consistent | 18:21 |
| anteaya | which I will do, if we have a timeline for the tech in place | 18:21 |
| reed | so I don't expect changing the policies as difficutl | 18:21 |
| anteaya | reed neither do I | 18:21 |
| reed | but changing the way gerrit operates requires lots of thoughts and testing and time and people | 18:21 |
| anteaya | but I do need to get started on the process, so the policies are in place when the tech is | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | we aren't changing the way gerrit operates | 18:22 |
| reed | also, I have no idea of what the migration path should be, how we move the current IDs from launchpad to openstackid | 18:22 |
| anteaya | we are allowing the openstackid db to access the gerrit db | 18:22 |
| anteaya | the gerrit db remains the same | 18:22 |
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| reed | tristanC, indeed | 18:22 |
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| tristanC | reed: especially as ptl/core status are only referenced in gerrit's group | 18:23 |
| reed | anteaya, gerrit IDs are now lanchpad IDs but those won't be valid in the future anymore... we'll need to convert those users into openstackid users | 18:23 |
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| anteaya | right | 18:23 |
| anteaya | but the gerrit db will remain the same | 18:24 |
| anteaya | I don't want to be frightening gerrit users thinking gerrit will change | 18:24 |
| anteaya | gerrit will be staying the same | 18:24 |
| reed | anteaya, also we'll have to change/adapt the way gerrit handles iCLA | 18:24 |
| anteaya | reed: right | 18:24 |
| anteaya | but that is sign up business | 18:24 |
| reed | anteaya, that's what I meant with 'changes to gerrit' :) gerrit is the same, processes change | 18:25 |
| anteaya | which the conversation regarding CLAs is dealing with | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | right, the process to sign up to contribute changes | 18:25 |
| reed | anteaya, right, that's a separate discussion altogether | 18:25 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | so right now the next thing you need is to discuss how openstackid interacts with the gerrit db? | 18:26 |
| anteaya | is that accurate? | 18:26 |
| reed | anteaya, the next thing for me personally is to make groups go live immediately after openstackid goes live | 18:26 |
| anteaya | not discuss here but discuss with infra | 18:26 |
| anteaya | do you need input from infra to do that? | 18:27 |
| reed | to discuss with infra, yes, we need to set a roadmap to have gerrit consume the new openid provider | 18:27 |
| reed | and other services, like the wiki etc... | 18:27 |
| reed | i don't even have a full view of what else uses launchpadID | 18:28 |
| reed | tristanC, something like http://activity.openstack.org/data/plugins/zfacts/view.action?viewproperties=true&instance=Person,person4f1beaa9-2835-4a85-abb2-84ab05153481 but prettier :) | 18:28 |
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| reed | tristanC, or in your case http://activity.openstack.org/data/plugins/zfacts/view.action?instance=Person,person5ebd0c86-dbc4-4997-951b-42cc324070c8 | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | reed: great | 18:30 |
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| anteaya | let's put something on next week's infra agenda, unless you have already | 18:30 |
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| reed | I haven't already, I think it's a bit premature honestly | 18:30 |
| chuckC | anteaya: is it possible the change you all are discussing will affect my stackalytics issue (which I can discuss with you offline if you like) | 18:31 |
| reed | although maybe you're right and we may want to start | 18:31 |
| anteaya | reed: ah, hmmm, I don't based on what you just told me | 18:31 |
| anteaya | chuckC: entirely possible yes | 18:31 |
| anteaya | chuckC: still no resolution for it? | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | chuckC: well it looks like stackalytics is coming under the infra umbrella | 18:32 |
| chuckC | anteaya: no, SergeyLukjanov just said he is not maintainer of openstack-stackalytics…. | 18:32 |
| anteaya | chuckC: not sure if that well create a better resolution or not | 18:32 |
| reed | chuckC, what's youre issue? | 18:32 |
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| chuckC | reed: 2 possibly related facts: my launchpad id doesn't match my gerrit username, stacklytics shows no data for me | 18:33 |
| reed | chuckC, not knowing what the issue is, this change should not *immediately* impact stackalytics or other reporting tools, although I hope it will improve things after it's launched | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | reed: yes I think we should start the discussion | 18:33 |
| anteaya | reed: never too early to plan | 18:33 |
| reed | chuckC, interesting... does wikidsmart have the same problem? | 18:34 |
| chuckC | ok, I'm new, what's wikidsmart? | 18:34 |
| reed | chuck carlino? | 18:34 |
| chuckC | yes | 18:34 |
| reed | you also appear to have two profiles as Foundation Member | 18:35 |
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| reed | http://activity.openstack.org/data/plugins/zfacts/view.action?instance=Person,personb4662c16-d2c3-4b14-bd46-39d81794ad9c | 18:35 |
| reed | http://activity.openstack.org/data/plugins/zfacts/view.action?instance=Person,person8e9dd965-2e0c-4c1a-a174-ff25aee0d04f | 18:35 |
| tristanC | reed: those activity page looks really great, thanks for sharing | 18:35 |
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| reed | tristanC, chuckC: those pages are built on top of a semantic model powered by wikidsmart | 18:36 |
| reed | the semantic model is built on top of a graph database and rendered as confluence pages... it was in the making when stackalytics was launched :) | 18:37 |
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| chuckC | reed: the profile with chuck.carlino@hp.com should be removed | 18:37 |
| reed | chuckC, this one? http://www.openstack.org/community/members/profile/19008 | 18:38 |
| chuckC | yes | 18:38 |
| reed | ok, cool | 18:38 |
| reed | I'll file a bug because I'm not sure what the implications are | 18:39 |
| chuckC | thanks | 18:39 |
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| reed | chuckC, can you please confirm in a comment here https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-org/+bug/1329908? | 18:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329908 in openstack-org "Remove duplicate account 19008 from Members database" [Undecided,New] | 18:41 |
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| reed | anteaya, please then add an item for next week's agenda | 18:41 |
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| anteaya | reed: okay I will do so | 18:41 |
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| chuckC | reed: yes, that's right | 18:42 |
| reed | anteaya, my current highest priority is this review: https://review.openstack.org/99481 | 18:42 |
| anteaya | roadmap for gerrit to consume the openid provider sound about right? | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | reed: I'll take a look | 18:43 |
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| reed | anteaya, sounds good, thanks | 18:43 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 18:44 |
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| reed | any more questions, curiosities? | 18:46 |
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| anteaya | thanks for doing this reed | 18:47 |
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| reed | sure, my pleasure | 18:47 |
| anteaya | its nice to have a place where I know you will be | 18:47 |
| anteaya | :D | 18:47 |
| reed | I always try to be here :) | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | it's great | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | reed do we still need review the activity board proposal? | 18:52 |
| reed | anteaya, I think the ball is now on Bitergia's field, IIRC | 18:52 |
| anteaya | okay I will remove that item | 18:53 |
| anteaya | how about the people db item | 18:53 |
| anteaya | keep that or remove? | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | reed: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | reed let me know if you want any changes made | 18:57 |
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| reed | anteaya, LGTM | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | reed: k | 19:03 |
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| reed | ah, Spain vs Netherland started | 19:06 |
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| dstanek | devoid: ping | 20:16 |
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| devoid | dstanek: hi what's up? | 20:20 |
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| dstanek | devoid: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1235340 now | 20:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235340 in keystone "Links always use public endpoint" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 20:21 |
| dstanek | devoid: each of your load balancers is on a different URL right? | 20:21 |
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| devoid | dstanek: yes | 20:22 |
| devoid | well we have an internal url and domain and an external url and domain | 20:22 |
| dstanek | devoid: do the load balancers point to the same keystone instances or seperate ones? | 20:22 |
| devoid | but the keystone service is the same for both | 20:22 |
| devoid | just a different path to them for external network vs admin vs internal | 20:22 |
| devoid | <internal-lb> —> keystone <— <external-lb> | 20:23 |
| devoid | I could spin up separate keystone processes for each but that seems waseful. | 20:24 |
| dstanek | ah i see, so why would you need relative paths? if a link is admin it'll have the admin port and if a link is public it'll have the public port...or is that what is not working? | 20:24 |
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| devoid | well the port switching is bad for a separate reason, I think. | 20:25 |
| devoid | IMO there should be a single port and a single keystone API. | 20:25 |
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| devoid | presumably keystone does a good job at the API level making sure that admin actions can't be done by non-admin's | 20:25 |
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| devoid | But that's a big change to make. | 20:26 |
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| dstanek | devoid: you can do that now for v3, but i don't think you can for v2 | 20:26 |
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| devoid | So if we put the port-switching to the side for a moment, what we've had to do is express all the API URLs as domain names, e.g. | 20:27 |
| devoid | cloud.example.com | 20:27 |
| devoid | then inject our own DNS entry in so VMs take the internal route. | 20:27 |
| devoid | and the same for our admin network (although that happens w/ /etc/hosts and an RFC1918 address) | 20:28 |
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| dstanek | couldn't you use separate domain names for public vs. admin? | 20:28 |
| devoid | so that's how we get around APIs that embed URIs in the message body. | 20:28 |
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| devoid | sure, that's another solution. | 20:29 |
| devoid | I think one problem is…why does /v2/users translate to an admin call? | 20:29 |
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| dstanek | devoid: that's a good question and i'll have to dive deeper | 20:32 |
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| devoid | dstanek, awesome. Unfortunately I have to leave soon so if you have any other questions, put them in the bug and I will get back to you this evening. | 20:33 |
| dstanek | first thought is that Keystone is assuming that since the resource is a public resource it should have the public URL or Keystone is naively just using the public URL | 20:33 |
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| dstanek | devoid: cool thanks | 20:33 |
| devoid | same in our situation | 20:34 |
| devoid | oops, looking at an old entry | 20:34 |
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| devoid | subscribed to the bug now | 20:34 |
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| sayajipatil | Hi, I need help in fixing bug #1321715 | 21:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1321715 in glance "Glance image-show <snapshotID> image feilds followed by properies" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1321715 | 21:17 |
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| zzelle | Hien, can someone explain me why we should prefer self.assertThat(4, matchers.GreaterThan(3)) over self.assertTrue(4 > 3) ? | 22:45 |
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| clarkb | zzelle: I believe it is because the error messages are more meanginful that way | 22:48 |
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| zzelle | clarkb, indeed | 22:50 |
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