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| ttx | jd__: hi! | 08:24 |
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| ttx | jd__: Looks like you should be done once you approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76762/ | 08:24 |
| jd__ | ttx: hey | 08:25 |
| jd__ | I was just thinking about you | 08:25 |
| ttx | how sweet | 08:25 |
| jd__ | ;-) | 08:25 |
| ttx | jd__: i'll get an open-juno commit ready for you | 08:25 |
| jd__ | I just approved Transifex | 08:26 |
| ttx | jd__: OK when that one merges you'll be able to approve https://review.openstack.org/84082 | 08:26 |
| ttx | formally switching master to Juno | 08:26 |
| ttx | I'll cut the release branch from the last commit before that one | 08:26 |
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| * jd__ nods | 08:29 | |
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| ttx | jd__: looks like you can approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84082/ now | 10:35 |
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| jd__ | ttx: on its way :) | 11:14 |
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| therve | Does anyone else seeing cinder related failure in the gate? | 12:30 |
| therve | I think taskflow broke it :/ | 12:31 |
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| fungi | therve: do we have a taskflow/oslo/something bug opened on that failure yet? | 12:51 |
| fungi | i'm going ahead and proposing the revert and will open a bug to link in the commit message if not | 12:52 |
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| fungi | looks like not--reporting onenow | 12:55 |
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| therve | fungi, Sorry. I just opened a bug in cinder for now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1300161 | 12:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1300161 in cinder "Error import taskflow Failure" [Undecided,New] | 12:57 |
| fungi | i'll tack taskflow onto that | 12:57 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: o/ | 13:49 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: still need to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83762/ in before the open-juno one ? | 13:49 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. still having a few items failing the gate unrelated to problems in neutron | 14:15 |
| markmcclain | ttx: ^^^ | 14:16 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: yes, gate is pretty blocked right now | 14:16 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: o/ | 14:44 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: you look all set to me | 14:44 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: if you confirm feel free to approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84084/ | 14:45 |
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| david-lyle | ttx: we're set, approved | 14:47 |
| ttx | david-lyle: OK, branch and tag coming at the other end of the gate tunnel | 14:48 |
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| tellesnobrega | flaper87: hi, i'm thinking on using marconi for a new feature, can help me out with some questions? | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | tellesnobrega: absolutely, mind joining #openstack-marconi ? | 15:00 |
| tellesnobrega | no problem | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: did you see the message about functional tests for oslo.messaging on the ML? Any thoughts on where those should live messaging or tempest? | 15:01 |
| sdague | I didn't yet | 15:02 |
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| dhellmann | they're contributed to oslo.messaging, but I could see an argument for having them in tempest, too, so wanted to see what you thought | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | sdague: oops, wrong review, they're just attached to the email | 15:03 |
| sdague | oslo.messagine doesn't have a REST interface, so I think it probably doesn't belong in tempest | 15:04 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: makes sense | 15:04 |
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| ttx | jd__: OK, release branch cut -- still green for RC1 tag ? | 15:19 |
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| ttx | jd__: I'll assume that was a yes. Tag on its way | 15:31 |
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| jd__ | ttx: yep | 15:44 |
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| ttx | jd__: it's up | 15:47 |
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| vkmc | Hi all! Does anybody know when the string freeze finish? | 16:08 |
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| ttx | vkmc: some projects had their release branches cut akready, so StringFreeze is lifted on master there | 16:21 |
| ttx | vkmc: (cinder keystone horizon ceilometer) | 16:22 |
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| * ttx will be back in ~2 hours to tag/upload more RCs | 16:22 | |
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| vkmc | ttx, Thanks! | 16:25 |
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| notmyname | dhellmann: ping | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | notmyname: pong | 16:38 |
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| notmyname | dhellmann: so one thing I've noticed is that any time there is a reply on the mailing list by you, you're reply is in a very tiny font. eg http://d.not.mn/tiny_dhellmann.png | 16:39 |
| notmyname | dhellmann: have you come across that before? something weird on my end? | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: weird, thanks for pointing that out -- it might be gmail's web ui? | 16:40 |
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| notmyname | dhellmann: FWIW, I'm using the os x mail.app | 16:40 |
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| notmyname | dhellmann: it's only on replies. if it's a thread started by you, your first message is normal sized | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: weird, I'll experiment a bit and see if I can fix that. thanks for bringing it up | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | notmyname: ok, I think I've found the "plain text" setting | 16:46 |
| notmyname | dhellmann: ah, cool! | 16:46 |
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| mriedem | armax: hey what do you want to do about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82566/ ? | 18:02 |
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| mriedem | sdague wants the whole test skipped if pause or suspend are not available, i'm fine with that | 18:02 |
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| sdague | mriedem: I'm actually also fine with removing the pause and suspend code paths from that test | 18:04 |
| sdague | as I would argue they aren't basic ops | 18:04 |
| mriedem | sdague: oh good point | 18:04 |
| mriedem | yeah | 18:04 |
| sdague | the important thing is that a test is the same regardless on who runs it | 18:04 |
| sdague | so their output is equivalent | 18:04 |
| sdague | otherwise you can't compare 2 runs by different people | 18:05 |
| mriedem | ok, looks like they should move into test_server_advanced_ops then, or just go away | 18:05 |
| mriedem | test_server_advanced_ops looks like it's just doing API testing, not scenario | 18:06 |
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| mriedem | armax: i updated the review with what i'd do, are you ok with me just making the changes? | 18:08 |
| armax | mriedem: I am fine with removing these | 18:08 |
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| armax | I'll take care of it | 18:08 |
| mriedem | armax: see my comments, i'd move pause/unpause to test_server_advanced_ops and remove suspend/resume from test_server_basic_ops | 18:08 |
| mriedem | then i think we're all hunky dory | 18:08 |
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| markwash | dhellmann: bnemec: ping? I just can't shake my worries about utf8 migrations after rereading http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030404.html | 18:42 |
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| markwash | SpamapS: around? | 18:49 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: I am. Wassup! | 18:51 |
| markwash | SpamapS: I was hoping to chat with you about the *right* way to do a utf8 migration | 18:52 |
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| markwash | I really appreciated the detailed response you gave at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030404.html | 18:52 |
| SpamapS | markwash: right.. painful thing. | 18:53 |
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| markwash | is the high-bit-set checking fairly straightforward? | 18:53 |
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| markwash | I'm kind of looking for a migration that isn't going to need to do different things based on the path a given db took to get to its present state, if that makes sense | 18:53 |
| SpamapS | markwash: I'm not sure it is doable in a pure migration without ops specifying their old configuration of MySQL. | 18:53 |
| markwash | SpamapS: the strawman idea I have for now goes like this | 18:54 |
| markwash | 1) make the utf8 sanity check optional, default on, deprecated to turn it off | 18:54 |
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| markwash | 2) encourage people to make an extra tool to manage the utf8 conversion outside of the migration process | 18:54 |
| markwash | it seems like a good migration could be made to fit into that framework, do you agree SpamapS ? | 18:56 |
| SpamapS | It would be great if oslo.db had the appropriate tools to fix the database, since really the only way to fix utf-8 stored in latin1 tables is with two connections. | 18:56 |
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| SpamapS | Unless they've added it to alter in the last 3 years, which they may very well have done. | 18:56 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: So I think that the migrations have to stay out of the charset asserting business. It is, unfortunately, entirely out of band from what they can do. I'd prefer that, as you say, a tool is kept around for admins who are seeing the warning. | 18:57 |
| SpamapS | markwash: that tool can make attempts at helping, selecting and looking for high-bytes, but you _must_ have some human inspection or really heady statistical analysis because perfectly normal latin1 can look like utf-8. | 18:58 |
| markwash | right I was just getting there in my own head | 18:58 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: oh, and (1), yes sounds very sane. | 18:59 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: We can definitely do a good job of informing the user. If we connect to the db and it shows latin1, we are 99% sure at that point that things are configured wrong. | 19:00 |
| dhellmann | SpamapS, markwash : were we just lucky with all of the other projects that have gone through this process? | 19:00 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: so we can print a nice message.. "Your database is configured for latin1. This may lead to data corruption. Please fix it to utf-8 (see http://....) and then run xxxxx-manage db-to-utf8. | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | dhellmann: Many db servers are configured right. This may be a non-issue for some. | 19:01 |
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| SpamapS | dhellmann: and many db servers configured wrong have never been asked to store multi-byte utf-8. | 19:01 |
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| markwash | dhellmann: its possible that glance image names and props are a bit different than the settings in other projects dbs. . at least I don't feel comfortable ruling it out | 19:02 |
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| dhellmann | other projects have user-specified names for things | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | dhellmann: often your only clue is that your users report â or Å in output | 19:02 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | But then you do an alter, like we had in Heat, and the utf-8 column in one table can't FK off the latin1 column in another. | 19:03 |
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| dhellmann | doing this strictly correctly would be good, but I would have expected complaints when we did it this way for other projects in the past, too | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | dhellmann: What other project would you expect descriptive native-language fields in? | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | keystone and glance are the only ones I would expect it for. | 19:03 |
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| dhellmann | SpamapS: every other project supports names for things | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | no? | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | nova they need to be hostnames | 19:04 |
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| markwash | I guess it seems different because we publish the names of things a bit more | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | so that's a subset of ascii | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | cinder maybe, I don't know. | 19:04 |
| markwash | s/things/images/ | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | neutron, though I don't know how widely used that is | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | Right most neutron networks and things are short. But that would be a good (very long) bug list to sift through to see if there are in fact complaints. | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | the good news is that if you screw up somebody's db and double-encode utf-8 .. it _is_ reversible.. you just have to have timestamps and know when you did it. | 19:05 |
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| markwash | oh that timestamp idea is super scary | 19:06 |
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| markwash | dhellmann: suppose we found out definitively that glance could not possibly have any problem, and doing a charset alter/convert step was the right course | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | if this is a one-time transition for us, do we need a tool? how smart would that tool have to be? | 19:06 |
| markwash | what is the harm in doing that sometime in J rather than I? | 19:06 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: as somebody who used it once to save countless hours .. it's not that scary ;) | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | the first table we altered at a previous job .. we didn't know we hosed it | 19:07 |
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| dhellmann | markwash: if you are creating or changing tables in I, then you could end up with mixed charsets, which would prevent fkeys and indexes from working properly | 19:07 |
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| SpamapS | users started reporting â and we saw them and when we figured it out, we figured out when we had done the alter, and wrote a php script to manually un-double-encode the columns | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | it was named unfuck.php .. ;) | 19:08 |
| * dhellmann can't count the number of times he's seen a tool with that name | 19:08 | |
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| SpamapS | :) | 19:08 |
| markwash | dhellmann: okay I see, that is serious. . esp. as it would happen on newly introduced tables | 19:08 |
| markwash | dhellmann: if we generally fkey off of image ids (uuids) does that help mitigate problems? | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | markwash: right, it's the new stuff that'll break, because those are more likely to be utf8 from the start | 19:09 |
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| SpamapS | I think your best bet for I is to not assert utf-8, and prepare to fix this in J and if possible stable I release 1. | 19:09 |
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| dhellmann | that seems like a reasonable approach | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | I think we were actually seeing errors from mysql about the key constraints, rather than having keys in both tables that didn't match | 19:10 |
| dhellmann | like, they couldn't even be inserted or something | 19:10 |
| dhellmann | I forget what the error was, though | 19:10 |
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| markwash | ah okay so its a core compatibility issue that is flagged on setting up the fkey schema itself | 19:11 |
| markwash | makes sense | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1250797 | 19:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1250797 in heat "Can't create table 'heat.stack_lock'" [Critical,Fix released] | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | right | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | so until the table encodings are fixed, alters that try to do that won't work | 19:11 |
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| dhellmann | no, a deployer could work around that by hand by modifying the migration script | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | but then they're off on their own as far as CD goes | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | and that's certainly not anything we would want to encourage | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | Another option instead of a "tool", is to have a config option which deployers can set which basically says "I know my db has utf-8 and is latin1" .. then the migration can act accordingly. | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | SpamapS: that sounds like markmc's "--let-me-break-my-database" option | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | or rather, his definition of that, which he called a bad idea | 19:14 |
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| SpamapS | oh oh oh.. I remember now, you don't have to use two connections | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/charset-conversion.html | 19:14 |
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| dhellmann | we have a flag available to glance, to disable the check, and so the glance devs could just not put default encodings in their migrations, but ... | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | you alter -> binary, then -> utf-8 | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | but that is column by column | 19:14 |
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| * markwash ponders | 19:16 | |
| SpamapS | yeah so a tool could accomplish the migration but you still need the user to tell you if they have utf-8 stored in latin1 tables. | 19:17 |
| markwash | dhellmann: so one interesting fact is that we only added one table in Icehouse and it is likely to have no data in it | 19:18 |
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| dhellmann | markwash: were there any changes to columns in other tables? | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | maybe it would be safe for you to just disable the utf8 check | 19:18 |
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| markwash | dhellmann: actually, I may have lied. . I was fooled by some pyc files | 19:19 |
| markwash | so we added two empty tables and two columns that were immediately propagated | 19:20 |
| markwash | but we nothing that would have been part of a foreign key relation | 19:20 |
| markwash | s/we// | 19:21 |
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| dhellmann | markwash: it sounds like the worst that could happen then is just adding those new tables with a different charset than the existing ones, but I think a column will inherit from its table | 19:22 |
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| markwash | SpamapS: do you think it is conceivable that Glance in the past prevented the case where utf-8 was being stored in latin1 tables? I'd like to investigate that as well | 19:22 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: not really no. | 19:25 |
| markwash | okay | 19:25 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: even if you were asserting utf-8 at the connection level.. if the db / server was latin1 it would convert down to latin1 with warnings (unless strict mode is on..... ;) | 19:26 |
| markwash | so if we had strict mode on, we might be able to say we're in a good spot. . but it wasn't on (does all that sound correct) | 19:27 |
| zzelle | zaitcev, hi | 19:27 |
| markwash | SpamapS: sorry I'm so n00bish on this whole issue, I just really want to make sure I'm not sinking anyones glance data battleship | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | markwash: yes and no this is not noob stuff.. I've done it 3 times and I still go cross eyed looking at charsets. | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | markwash: yes to "you understand" | 19:28 |
| markwash | gotcha | 19:29 |
| markwash | okay, I'm going to try to digest all of this and figure out exactly my plan(s), thanks SpamapS and dhellmann | 19:29 |
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| SpamapS | markwash: my pleasure, and also remember that if people want this to go away, Drizzle is over there -> | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | gathering dust | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | and losing ground to MySQL unfortunately. :-/ | 19:30 |
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| dhellmann | markwash: let us know if we need to help with oslo changes | 19:35 |
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| markwash | dhellmann: one quick question, how does oslo.db ensure that when we create new tables in migrations, they have the utf8 charset? | 19:36 |
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| markwash | looking at some of our recent migrations, it looks like whatever is default in the db was still being used | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | markwash: I'm not certain we do. | 19:36 |
| bnemec | Hmm, interesting. So now that we're enabling traditional mode it might make the utf8->latin1 conversion fail instead of cause a warning? | 19:37 |
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| markwash | bnemec: what do you mean by "enabling traditional mode" ? | 19:40 |
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| bnemec | markwash: We introduced a way to set the sql_mode variable in mysql to make it work more like postgres: https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/commit/dda24eb4a815914c29e801ad0176630786db8734 | 19:42 |
| bnemec | It defaults to traditional, which is a superset of strict mode, from what I understand. | 19:42 |
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| markwash | thanks for the pointer | 19:44 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: https://github.com/ewindisch/dockenstack should this be: docker run -privileged -lxc-conf=aa_profile=unconfined -t -i dockenstack <-- ewindisch/dockenstack ? | 21:24 |
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| ewindisch | arosen1: yes, or use ‘build -t dockenstack’ | 21:35 |
| ewindisch | arosen1: (one of those lines is wrong, it doesn’t matter which ;-) | 21:35 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: this is what i'm getting right now: http://pastebin.com/9iqYD7XV the shell running in this docker instance doesn't seem to have any openstack components already running though. | 21:37 |
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| ewindisch | arosen1: if you’re using AUFS you also need to pass ‘-v /var/lib/docker' | 21:39 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: thanks that seemed to do the trick though i'm getting this now: http://pastebin.com/Spee5rgh | 21:41 |
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| arosen1 | I wonder if i can just set: FORCE=yes in the localrc and then rerun your command | 21:41 |
| ewindisch | arosen1: you probably could. | 21:42 |
| ewindisch | arosen1: honestly, I expect you’ll find more problems. This was working great 2 weeks ago, but it’s been rough since the Nova driver was moved into stackforge | 21:42 |
| ewindisch | you might not, though… ymmv ;-) | 21:43 |
| arosen1 | ewindisch: after i make the localrc change i need to save the image somehow? | 21:43 |
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| ewindisch | arosen1: you’d have to rebuild to resource the localrc file | 21:44 |
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| ewindisch | arosen1: however you could first try just doing ‘run -e FORCE=1’ | 21:44 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: hrm it seems like there is no filesystem in the image for me to write to | 21:47 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: what do you mean by doing 'run -e FORCE=1' ? | 21:47 |
| ewindisch | arosen1: there is always a filesystem inside images. | 21:48 |
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| ewindisch | arosen1: you can pass environment vars with ‘docker run' | 21:48 |
| arosen1 | ewindisch: when i do df -h it says: df: no file systems processed | 21:48 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: cool your trick seems to work. stack.sh is running now. | 21:49 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: seems like the script has some issue reading NOVA_REPO just fails on: fatal: '/openstack/nova.git' does not appear to be a git repository | 21:53 |
| ewindisch | arosen1: obviously this needs some debugging. It was on my radar anyway. | 21:54 |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: no worries. I'll hack on it for a while, i think I should be able to get it up and running. Dockerstack looks like it just sets up openstack using the docker driver for virt right? It has nothing to do with the tempest usecase? | 22:05 |
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| * arosen1 heat use case* | 22:05 | |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: last quick question. Do you happen to have a heat template off hand that does stuff with docker? | 22:15 |
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| * Steap would definitely need some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78652/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77938/ . They are small, simple patch that bring us closer to full Python 3 compatibility for the Heat client! | 22:36 | |
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| arosen1 | ewindisch: any pointers whats going wrong here with docker+heat? http://codepad.org/Dwp7adAZ | 22:50 |
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