Friday, 2014-02-28

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jog0flaper87|afk: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27721/  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76829/00:08
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Sukhdevfolks - devstack is broken as of 7AM PST - is anybody else seeing this?00:11
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jog0flaper87|afk: looks like your forgot to migrate nova onto that code00:12
jog0Sukhdev: ?00:12
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Sukhdevjog0: when I run stack.sh, it fails - and I see two flavors of failure mysqldb module can not be found00:14
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Sukhdevjog0: cp $NEUTRON_DIR/${Q_PLUGIN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES[$f]} /${Q_PLUGIN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES[$f]} fails as well00:15
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jog0Sukhdev: its working in the gate00:16
Sukhdevjog0:this happens every time I pull a fresh copy of devstack00:16
jog0so not sure whats going on00:16
jog0can you patsebin your error logs00:17
jog0pastebin00:17
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Sukhdevjog0: here are the logs - http://paste.openstack.org/show/70427/00:21
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jog0Sukhdev: looks like a missing dependency somehow00:27
jog0not sure00:27
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jog0sorry00:29
jog0but its somethign in your env that is broken its working upstream00:29
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Sukhdevjog0: do not know what broke though….it was running all night OK and all of a sudden it started failing00:31
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jog0my hunch is your missing MySQL-python00:38
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Sukhdevjog0: I think I have found and fixed the issue - it was a hidden problem which was surfaced because of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71996/ - which merged around the time I saw the issue01:03
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Sukhdevjog0: I have submitted a patch to fix the underlaying bug - which has been sitting there for a while, now got exposed - here is the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76992/01:04
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Sukhdevjog0:  Could you please review it?01:04
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rsFFis anyone playing around with icehouse?01:48
rsFFi am having some CRITICAL keystone [-] NoSuchOptError01:48
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fifieldtjog0, pong02:02
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jog0fifieldt: so nova is having a crisis of faith around v3 APAI02:28
fifieldtis it?02:28
fifieldtok :)02:28
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fifieldtI've been seeing a lot of mailing list traffic02:29
jog0fifieldt: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027896.html02:29
jog0yeah02:29
fifieldtwhat's your take?02:29
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jog0fifieldt: so we have a lot of input from devs but not much from consumers of the API02:29
jog0the people we ultimatly care about02:29
fifieldtaha :)02:30
fifieldtI may be able to assist there02:30
jog0fifieldt: I thought maybe thats where you could help :)02:30
fifieldtso, yeah, we have this event on Monday02:30
fifieldta bunch of people who run clouds locked in a room02:30
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Sukhdevjog0: Who would be the person to review it?02:36
fifieldtspecifically for providing feedback02:37
jog0I saw that, it would be cool if you could get there feedback on the V3 API discussion02:37
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jog0not sure how to best summarize the debate and how it relates to operators though02:37
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fifieldtyeah, so many viewpoints and ideas in that thread02:37
fifieldtI guess mostly they'll care about the planning perspective02:37
jog0fifieldt: but very few from the end users ... something I would like to fix02:37
jog0fifieldt: so one of the concerns is the deprecation life cycle02:37
fifieldtwe could also add a question to the next user survey02:37
fifieldtI suspect the V3 API debate will continue until the summit?02:37
jog0if we make a whole new API rev (v3) how long do we have to keep V2 around, would people migrate over to v3? what would make them migrate over to v3? do they even care, or just use libraries to take care of that stuff02:37
jog0fifieldt: most likely :/02:37
fifieldtthat's OK - it just means we have more time to get responses02:37
jog0cyeoh may dansmith may be able to give you a better summary of the issue and how to phrase the questions02:37
jog0or dansmith *02:37
jog0fifieldt: anyway I need to go AFK, but some insightful feedback from the users would be useful here02:37
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jog0thanks02:37
fifieldt8. OpenStack Compute is currently working on a radical new version of its API, which is backward-incompatible compared with the last one. What do you think the practice should be for deprecating the old API and migrating to the new one?02:37
fifieldtok02:37
fifieldtI'm going to have to read that thread again :)02:37
cyeohfifieldt: so I'd also be interested if you have numbers on what our user growth is like.02:37
cyeohso how many new users are we looking at over the the next few cycles if growth continues at the same rate compared to the number of existing users02:37
cyeoheg. are we levelling out or still growing fast?02:37
fifieldtstill growing very fast02:37
cyeohfifieldt: yea, sorry that thread is very long :-(02:37
fifieldtbased on what I see when traipsing around, many, many more people doing PoCs all the time02:37
cyeohfifieldt: is there anything quantitative around? From summit numbers it looks like its still sort of exponential02:37
fifieldtand everywhere we go, new actual users from random huge companies02:37
fifieldtcyeoh, we can extrapolate from the survey data02:37
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fifieldtbut that only hits a small number of them02:37
fifieldtthe best data to use would be meetup group numbers02:37
fifieldtsince those are typically very user-focused02:37
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cyeohfifieldt: ok yea, thats what I kind of expected (re still have rapid growth)02:37
jog0Sukhdev: give it a day or two and someone from devstack core will review it02:39
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jog0fifieldt: I like the question, but a little more context and detail may be useful02:39
Sukhdevjog0: OK - thanks02:39
jog0cyeoh fifieldt: not sure if it would help, but perhaps a summery of the discussion from the end user perspective would help get good feedback02:40
fifieldtalways the challenge when writing surveys jog0 :)02:40
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jog0like why we think the new API is goo, the risks, the options proposed so far etc02:40
dansmithRadical and new is not the right phrase either02:40
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jog0dansmith: revolutionary  ;)02:41
dansmithNo :)02:41
jog0revolutionary incrimental and minro02:41
jog0minor02:41
fifieldtcool02:41
fifieldtwell I'll leave you to come up with the right word there02:41
fifieldtI'm going for breakfast02:41
fifieldt:)02:41
* jog0 is not volunteering to write said summary02:41
cyeohrevolutionary as in cleans up all the weird inconsistencies with the V2 API and actually tells you when you send bad data :-)02:42
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jog0dansmith: so I am trying to get some fresh eyes on this issue in general02:42
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jog0mainly !nova devs02:43
dansmithYep02:43
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jog0anyway o/02:46
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fifieldtok02:52
fifieldtso02:52
fifieldtthe other question02:52
ewindischdevananda: was bm_poseur intentionally removed from git.openstack.org?02:53
fifieldtis: has anyone talked with the SDK developers?02:53
fifieldtjog0, cyeoh - if changing from v2 to v3 is as easy as a flag in the connect string in my SDK, that would be kinda cool, no?02:53
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cyeohfifieldt: so the small amount of feedback I've seen from SDK people is that the SDK people would hide the changes from their users02:54
cyeoh(which is really their role)02:54
fifieldtbrilliant02:54
fifieldtthat's good'02:54
fifieldtwe should get that across the board02:54
cyeohnow where we add extra capabilities, they'd have to expose them in a way that was clear it was only available if connecting to v302:54
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lbragstadjaypipes: thanks for the review :)03:11
jaypipeslbragstad: thx for the patch! :)03:11
lbragstadno problem!03:12
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fandiwhy quantum didn't create all ip netns from dhcp after switch dhcp agent ?04:08
fandiexisting ip dhcp cannot create automatically, we are remove quantum-dhcp-agent from corosync /pacemaker ?04:09
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fandiwe are deploy 3 node  dhcp-agent running in that server07:16
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fandicannot get dhcp-agent-host, we using this command : quantum dhcp-agent-list-hosting-net07:16
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ttxjd__: ping, wanted to discuss icehouse-3 progress10:25
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jd__ttx: oh noes10:28
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ttxjd__: hehe10:28
ttxjd__: so on the good side you have a lot more code under review now...10:29
jd__my initial plan is to review code and update the blueprint accordingly this afternoon10:29
ttxbut that doesn't really translate into a lot more completed "things"10:29
jd__I missed everything for the last 48 hours10:29
ttxjd__: OK, maybe also defer stuff that will obviously not make it and for which you won't ask for an exception10:30
ttxthat may help focus efforts on the last 3 days10:30
jd__ttx: yeah, I'll defer what is not proposed  by the end of the day10:30
ttxgreat10:31
ttxjd__: thanks for the update!10:31
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jd__you're welcome :)10:32
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rgerganovis it ok to put transitive dependencies in requirements.txt ?12:17
rgerganovfor example if 'foo' depends on 'bar', do you need to put both 'foo' and 'bar' in requirement.txt?12:19
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sdaguergerganov: yes, transitive are good to add, because that helps us understand the whole space12:24
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rgerganovsdague, thanks.12:27
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sdaguedhellmann: you got time for an interesting olso.config issue?14:41
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sdaguekeystoneclient currently has a race in handling it's signing dir in a multiprocess environment, if you've set signing_dir14:42
sdagueI think adding oslo lockutils is a sane answer14:42
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sdaguehowever if keystone client actually pulls in lockutils, then it will have conflicting options with nova14:43
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ayoungsdague, so is the race on locking the dir for writing the certificates?14:43
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sdagueayoung: the race is on not locking14:44
lbragstadhttp://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOlwiQ2VydGlmaWNhdGVDb25maWdFcnJvcjogVW5hYmxlIHRvIGxvYWQgY2VydGlmaWNhdGUuIEVuc3VyZSB5b3VyIHN5c3RlbSBpcyBjb25maWd1cmVkIHByb3Blcmx5LlwiIEFORCBmaWxlbmFtZTpsb2dzKnNjcmVlbi1jLWFwaS50eHQiLCJmaWVsZHMiOltdLCJvZmZzZXQiOjAsInRpbWVmcmFtZSI6IjYwNDgwMCIsImdyYXBobW9kZSI6ImNvdW50IiwidGltZSI6eyJ1c2VyX2ludGVydmFsIjowfSwic3RhbXAiOjEzOTM1MjkzNDM3MDZ914:44
ayoungsdague, what if...14:44
ayoungwe write the certificate to a randomly named file, and then did a rename14:44
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ayoungthat would be atomic14:44
ayoungand if it got duplicated...so what14:44
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gordcmriedem: my internet is failing me but just an fyi, i've rechecked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75426/14:45
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sdagueayoung: if you think that fixes it once and for all, that's fine :)14:45
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sdaguebut this is the second time I know we've hit this class of issue14:46
ayoungsdague, https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/middleware/auth_token.py#L117314:46
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sdagueso I'm afraid it keeps creeping up14:46
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ayoungmy guess is that this function is the problem, when the file is half written14:46
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ayoungdolphm, I wonder if we could script your echo client to reproduce the race condition?14:46
bknudsonayoung: we did the rename with the revocation list14:47
bknudsonayoung: see https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/middleware/auth_token.py#L134214:47
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mriedemgordc: ah, ok, cool, i'll watch it14:48
gordcmriedem: cool cool.14:48
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dolphmayoung: that's what i was thinking -- if you set signing_dir and keep the cache time low, it should be easy14:49
dolphmayoung: you'd also need multiple workers14:49
mriedemgordc: i guess i don't even really know how to review this, is there something i can look for in the nova api logs to verify the audit middleware is working?14:49
ayoungyep14:49
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ayoungbknudson, yep...need to do that with the certs as well14:49
dolphmayoung: coincidentally, this will deploy 3 echo workers -- https://github.com/dolph/keystone-deploy14:49
dolphmayoung: but the deploy is broken due to a dependency on v2.0 which i chose not to deploy (you could use the default paste to fix that)14:50
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ayoungdolphm, add in another piece that wipes the cert files and puts some randomness into the mix and I bet we repro14:50
ayoungdolphm, I'm going to work on the rename in the client14:50
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dolphmayoung: related https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/128598114:51
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ayoungdolphm, ok.  I think the rename is it.14:52
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sdaguewell, please make sure to handle *every* write in auto_token.py in an atomic way here. Because I really don't want to be hitting another one of these in 3 months. :)14:53
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dhellmannsdague, sorry, was in the oslo meeting, what's up?15:03
sdaguedhellmann: it's in the scrollback15:03
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dhellmannsdague: reading more now15:03
sdaguebut basically, because incubator pieces have conf definitions, does it mean you couldn't have lockutils in any of the clients, because it would conflict with the servers when they import the clients15:04
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sdagueayoung / bknudson so are one of you going to work on the keystoneclient fix here? just want to make sure this doesn't get lost.15:05
dhellmannsdague, ayoung, bknudson : which option is duplicated with nova?15:06
bknudsonsdague: "(08:50:47 AM) ayoung: dolphm, I'm going to work on the rename in the client" -- I think that means ayoung is working on it?15:06
sdagueok, great15:06
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sdaguedhellmann: lock_path15:06
bknudsondhellmann: this was a question of if keystoneclient library could use lockutils15:07
sdagueand disable_process_locking15:07
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sdagueit's a more general issue though15:07
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bknudsonbecause if keystoneclient library was imported into nova, then they'd both have lockutils15:07
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dhellmannyeah15:08
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sdaguebecause if that's true, it basically blocks the incubator from being used in clients15:08
sdagueexcept in the most trivial of cases15:09
dhellmannplease, let's not have the "make libraries now" disucssion again15:09
dhellmannI'm working on that15:09
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sdagueyeh, honestly, I'd be ok with oslo.config not being fatal on multiple definition attempts15:09
dhellmannit's not fatal unless the option definitions aren't the same15:09
sdagueoh, so it would be fine?15:09
dhellmannso if the options match, it should be fine15:09
sdagueok, so win15:09
sdaguethat's goodness15:10
dhellmannas long as no one is out of date with a help string or whatever15:10
bknudsonahh, I thought it failed if registered multiple times.15:10
dhellmannonly if the definitions don't match15:10
sdagueoh... that would put us in a deadlock to update then?15:10
sdaguebecause keystoneclient and nova can't land the change simultaneously15:10
dhellmannno, because the option definition won't change in the incubator until after that module graduates15:10
sdagueso it would be fine on the first add15:10
dhellmannwhich I intend to have happen in juno15:11
sdagueso... even in lockutils?15:11
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sdaguebecause I just noticed the default is NOVA_LOCK_PATH in nova15:11
sdaguebut OSLO_LOCK_PATH in oslo15:11
sdagueso I think that's getting rewritten15:11
dhellmannI'm not sure if the default matters, let me look at the matching logic15:11
dhellmannit does15:11
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sdagueok, so as long as this wouldn't deadlock us, I think it's a win15:12
bknudsonso it would be KEYSTONECLIENT_LOCK_PATH ?15:12
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dhellmannbah, ok, the default does matter15:12
sdaguebknudson: as a default15:12
sdaguedhellmann: what about losening oslo.config and not making the default matter15:12
sdaguebknudson: but in the real environment, the config would get set15:12
sdagueso they would be the same15:13
dhellmannsdague: I'll have to think about that one, because it's liable to miss the sorts of real mismatches we do want to catch.15:13
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sdaguedhellmann: or making some option to not care on certain options15:13
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sdaguebecause blocking lockutils from being included more places seems badness15:14
sdagueas it's a quite good chunk of code15:14
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dhellmannsdague: let me think about that some more15:16
sdaguesure15:16
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dhellmannsdague: I'm having some trouble coming up with a way to add an option like that where it wouldn't be subject to abuse15:21
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sdaguedhellmann: well it would need to be carefully reviewed15:22
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sdagueI guess it's the overall problem with libraries taking config files directly instead of being passed their config from the caller, but that ship has sailed15:22
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* dhellmann nods15:23
dhellmannthat's one of the things we're trying to address as we move code into libraries, and part of why it takes so long15:23
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sdagueyep15:25
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sdaguethat's fair15:25
dhellmannok, hang on15:26
dhellmannhmm, no, nevermind15:26
dhellmann1/2 formed thought that died before the keyboard15:26
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sdagueheh15:26
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ttxmarkmcclain: ping re: icehouse-3 review progress15:27
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markmcclainttx: we're still working through the list.. I have been deferring items that are clearly not going to make it15:29
ttxmarkmcclain: Ack. Note that I marked provider-network-plumgrid implemented because it seems to have merged recently15:29
markmcclainthanks15:29
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sdaguettx: do you expect the project meeting will be completely packed with the milestone this week?15:30
sdagueor is there room for something15:30
ttxthere will be room. I expect to solve most milestone-things during the 1:1s15:31
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sdagueok, I wanted to bring up turning back on failing jobs for new errors in logs15:31
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sdagueto get some general sign off on a slightly different approach we think will help prevent new issues from getting in15:32
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diogogmtwhy the SERVER CREATE api command accepts a networkID instead of  a subnetID?15:48
diogogmtif my network has multiple subnets how does it know on which to create the PORT?15:48
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diogogmtand what if i want my server to have a port on multiple subnets under the same network15:48
diogogmt?15:49
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crabbytravvyThis is my first time submitting a patch/fixing a bug.  I made the change and submitted for review.  If no one reviews it will it get abandoned?15:56
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CrabbyTravvyThis is my first time submitting a patchset/fixing a bug.  I've submitted a change on Feb 14th,  will the change be abandoned after a certain amount of time has passed?16:03
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ayoungsdague, yes, I am on it16:11
sdagueayoung: thank you16:11
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SukhdevFolks we are seeing a frequent devstack (stack.sh) failure since yesterday. Any insight will be appriciated - here are the logs http://paste.openstack.org/show/70675/16:15
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ayoungCrabbyTravvy, link ?16:16
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CrabbyTravvyayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72974/16:17
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ayoungCrabbyTravvy, won't be abandoned as there are no negative reviews on it16:17
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CrabbyTravvyoh, ok Nate told me it would be abandoned after a certain amount time.  Thanks16:18
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ayoungCrabbyTravvy, only if it gets a -1 with no update.  A -2 is sticky, and would cause it to get abandonded repeatedly.16:20
CrabbyTravvyayoung: thank you16:20
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driptonsdague: I'm looking at sqlalchemy 0.9 quoting for migrate, but I don't have it working yet.  Is it okay with you if I release migrate for the IBM folks' DB2, then do another release for 0.9?16:28
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sdaguedripton: sure16:28
driptonsdague: thanks16:28
sdaguethanks for looking into the rest of the 0.9 issues16:28
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ayoungdolphm_503, sdague, bknudson here is what I am thinking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77215/16:30
ayoungWHY IS THERE NO SEARCH FOR REVIEWERS LINK ON GERRIT?16:31
ayoungdhellmann, what is your name on Gerrit, so I can add you to a review?16:32
dhellmannayoung: doug-hellmann16:32
sdagueayoung: is that still atomic if temp dir and final dir are on different filesystems?16:32
ayoungsgordon, nope16:32
ayoungwhich is why it is called16:33
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dhellmannayoung: but it's even better to just give me the link, I've given up on gerrit notifications for "interesting" patches (far too many)16:33
SukhdevFolks, since yesterday we are seeing very high failure rate of devstack - please see another set of logs (I pasted a different set earlier) - http://paste.openstack.org/show/70677/16:33
ayoung _atomic_write_to_signing_dir(16:33
sdagueoh, right, we're in that dir16:33
ayoungdhellmann, yeah, just had posted it as a draft, so needed to add you in order to show it.16:33
sdaguegotcha16:33
ayoungdhellmann, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77215/16:33
sdagueI missed the dir=self.signing_dirname16:33
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ayoungsdague, yeah, I considered doing a dirname, but since all these files go in the same dir...this looks like the right approach16:34
sdagueayoung: it's a draft :P16:34
sdagueplease undraft16:34
ayoungsdague, wilco16:34
dhellmannayoung: I think you need the rename inside the with statement, don't you? doesn't closing the temporary file delete it?16:34
dhellmannnm, I see the delete=False16:35
ayounghmm, wasn';t in the old code, but  I think you are right16:35
ayoungah, right, you would never want to "delete" it16:35
ayoungdhellmann, its is covered by current tests, but no way to test the concurrency unless we do what dolphm_503 suggested.16:36
bknudsondhellmann: " Whether the name can be used to open the file a second time, while the named temporary file is still open, varies across platforms"16:36
bknudsonso I think we want to do to rename outside the "with"16:36
dhellmannayoung: are you worried at all about the source and dest being on different filesystems?16:37
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dhellmannayoung: or running this on windows?16:37
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dhellmannayoung: there are some relevant warnings under http://docs.python.org/2/library/os.html#os.rename16:37
dhellmannayoung: shutil.move() might be safer? http://docs.python.org/2/library/shutil.html#shutil.move16:38
bknudsondhellmann: I think it's always in the same directory.16:38
bknudsonval = '%s/revoked.pem' % self.signing_dirname ; self.revoked_file_name = val16:38
tellesnobregaayoung: when we were talking about hierarchical projects, you said that in the future there would be need to change projects in the hierarchy, right?16:39
dhellmannbknudson: ok, windows may still have an issue of the target file already exists, acc. to those docs16:39
yaguangrussellb, could you please take a look at this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53746/  which has been blocked duo to a blueprint16:39
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bknudsondhellmann: interesting... the revoked list handling has been around for a while and no complaints...16:40
ayoungalways in the same directory16:40
dhellmannbknudson: of course I don't know if the middleware is used under windows, so maybe that's not relevant either16:40
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ayoungsigning dir is set as a config option...16:40
yaguangrussellb, that blueprint has been delayed to June, so is it possible to push this patch in Icehouse?16:40
ayoungbut...certfile and keyfile could be separately configured...16:41
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ayoungthe assumption on the "separately configured" is that they were written to a protected dir by, say puppet16:41
ayoungand I would think that fetching outside of signing_dir would be unsupported16:42
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dhellmannayoung: this looks like a better approach than breaking duplicate option detection in oslo.config16:49
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ayoungdhellmann, BTW, the rename would still work, it just wouldn't be atomic, if it were done across file systems, so it is no worse than it is now.  I also think that this is a problem we'll see often in testing but rarely in live servers16:50
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dhellmannayoung: "The operation may fail on some Unix flavors if src and dst are on different filesystems."16:51
dhellmannit doesn't say which flavors16:51
dhellmannor what "fail" means, although I assume an exception16:51
ayoungdhellmann, probably Linux....16:51
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ayoungcan't rename across partitions16:52
dhellmannbut if the tmp file and real file are in the same directory, the won't be on different filesystems, so no problem16:52
ayoungdhellmann, I'm going to label that a feature16:52
ayoungand if you are using automatic fetch to a directory other than signing_dir you are in a state of sin16:52
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driptonmriedem: I just pushed a tag for sqlalchemy-migrate 0.8.3, which should magically make the release happen.16:53
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mriedemdripton: ah sweet16:59
mriedemfinally some good news today16:59
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CrabbyTravvyayoung: Jenkins failed after you +1 it.  It looks like devstack is not setting up properly.17:21
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ayoungCrabbyTravvy, look at the links posted in the failure message.  They show what failied.  It probably is a sign that something is wrong with the second version of your patch17:23
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CrabbyTravvyhttps://gist.github.com/anonymous/d587db4eee06ddf8841217:24
ayoungCrabbyTravvy, I can't see anything obvious, though17:24
ayoungCrabbyTravvy, does it really make sense to nest the two if statements?17:24
ayoungif CONF.ssl.key_file:17:25
ayoung133                params['cert_file'] = CONF.ssl.key_file  should probably be outdented...I mean, I think I see what you are going at that if cert is set, why botherwith key17:25
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CrabbyTravvyayoung: I did that incase you you have your key in your certfile17:26
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ayoungCrabbyTravvy, But...there is always a Public key in a certfile, and there should never be a private key in a certfile17:26
CrabbyTravvyayoung: I don't think the my code is breaking the build17:26
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ayoungNo, don;t think so either17:27
ayoungCrabbyTravvy, looking at the failure...almost certainly not,  but...17:27
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CrabbyTravvyayoung: did you look at https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d587db4eee06ddf88412?  That error is happening when devstack is standing up17:28
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ayoungCrabbyTravvy, see if that is in the list for rechecks17:29
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ayoungbut...too many setup failures...I suspect your code has broken something, perhaps via a config change or something wierd17:30
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ayoungCrabbyTravvy, it might also be that the check is set up to kill other check processes to avoid wasting resources, so a failure early on is all that is relevant17:31
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CrabbyTravvyayoung: I don't see 72974 in rechecks. I'll look to see if there is a similar error.17:33
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wchrisjI'm looking for the Keystone v3 auth endpoint in my recent devstack install. Why wouldn't there be a v3 endpoint exposed?23:15
wchrisjIs  that something I have turn configure/activate?23:15
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