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| Alexei_987 | jamielennox: Hi are you around? | 00:44 |
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| jamielennox | Alexei_987: yeah i'm here | 01:05 |
| Alexei_987 | jamielennox: cool. is there any chance that you have some time to do a voice chat to discuss clients? | 01:06 |
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| jamielennox | Alexei_987: voice? that's a novel concept | 01:06 |
| jamielennox | yea i guess we can figure something out | 01:07 |
| Alexei_987 | jamielennox: hangout? | 01:07 |
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| jamielennox | give me a few minutes i don't know if i have a mic | 01:07 |
| Alexei_987 | jamielennox: sure :) | 01:07 |
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| jamielennox | Alexei_987: haven't really used hangouts before | 01:16 |
| Alexei_987 | jamielennox: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjejf76iuh67vjkrkq6a4o0 | 01:17 |
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| kashyap | harlowja_away, Thank you. (/me was asleep). Will try to get this packaged for Fedora distribution. | 06:24 |
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| jordanP | Hi guys. During the merge process Jenkins failed very early with ''Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure'. I've searched a bit but can't find a bug number related to this gate issue. What "reverify ###" should I use ? | 08:48 |
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| gilliard_ | jordanP: That is Jenkins reporting one of its steps failed. Need to find out what actually caused it to fail. | 09:04 |
| gilliard_ | Do you have a link? | 09:04 |
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| gilliard_ | Or, I think you can "reverify no bug" if that's appropriate. | 09:05 |
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| jordanP | gilliard_, http://logs.openstack.org/13/74413/1/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/fecb122/console.html :) | 09:07 |
| jordanP | I have no clue | 09:07 |
| jordanP | I believe reverify no bug doesnt work anymore | 09:08 |
| gilliard_ | fair enough. I'm just having a look. | 09:09 |
| jordanP | ty | 09:09 |
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| gilliard_ | Well, the last line that is successfully executed is http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/devstack-vm-gate-wrap.sh#n260 | 09:15 |
| jordanP | humm | 09:17 |
| gilliard_ | I'm not an expert so just reading through it line by line atm... | 09:17 |
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| jordanP | ala, found that it's bug 1282881 | 09:18 |
| jordanP | thans for your help gilliard_ | 09:19 |
| jordanP | *thanks | 09:19 |
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| gilliard_ | No worries. There are some errors at the end of http://logs.openstack.org/13/74413/1/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/fecb122/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt which are a bit more specific but I don't know how significant they are. | 09:20 |
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| gilliard_ | As I see it, the underlying cause is that "git clone https://git.openstack.org/openstack/nova" failed... | 09:21 |
| jordanP | yep I think it was just a transient RPC error (error: RPC failed; result=56, HTTP code = 200) | 09:21 |
| gilliard_ | yep :) | 09:22 |
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| gilliard_ | OK - are there any core Oslo reviewers who can help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71559/ please? | 09:33 |
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| sahid | yongli: ping, Because of the last comment of danpb about my dependance https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75117/ I'm going to update your commit to merge my patchset with your. it is ok for you? | 10:16 |
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| JulienLeloup | hello everybody | 10:32 |
| JulienLeloup | I have an issue with a patch set I pushed : this code works fine on my local Devstack and my openstack deployement but is crashing during some jenkins gate. I invetigated it and I see that this error is related to the fact that during a server creation (in a Neutron-able environment) my servres do not have a neutron port attached. Can someone explain me how neutron ports are managed in openstack when a new server is launc | 10:32 |
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| sahid | JulienLeloup: your bug is not in relation with one of: http://status.openstack.org/rechecks/ | 10:46 |
| sahid | ? | 10:46 |
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| JulienLeloup | sahid: I'll check this | 10:47 |
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| ihrachys | ttx: hi, can you join #openstack-trove? I have a question regarding stable/havana branch for this project to you. | 11:41 |
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| YorikSar | clarkb, SergeyLukjanov, fungi: Hello, guys! How about we finally push another change to git-review? https://review.openstack.org/49486 was failing PEP8 checks because of https://review.openstack.org/73715 being the most recent non-merge commit in the branch (and there's a dot!) | 11:59 |
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| YorikSar | I've rebased it, but it didn't get back all your +2s | 12:00 |
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| noorul | hello | 12:11 |
| noorul | Is there a possibility to register oslo config option during runtime? | 12:12 |
| noorul | already CONF() is called. | 12:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | YorikSar, approved | 12:12 |
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| YorikSar | SergeyLukjanov: Thanks :) | 12:14 |
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| jordanP | danpb, could have a review again at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74758/ plz (Typo in the name 'libvirt_snapshot_compression'), i finally manage to get the pep8 right... :D | 13:29 |
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| dave-mcnally | hey folks, looking for a core reviewer to give https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63170/ a push, It's been sitting there a while, also if anyone can take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57967/ that'd be great | 13:58 |
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| tellesnobrega1 | has anyone had this problem with glance lately while trying to start a vm using devstack, http://paste.openstack.org/show/67998/ | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | dripton: ping | 14:26 |
| dripton | mriedem: pong | 14:26 |
| mriedem | dripton: hey surprise surprise they actually have py27 sqlalchemy-migrate CI reporting on DB2: | 14:26 |
| mriedem | http://dal05.objectstorage.softlayer.net/v1/AUTH_58396f85-2c60-47b9-aaf8-e03bc24a1a6f/cilog/72/55572/9/check/ibm-db2-sqlalchemy-migrate-unittests-27sa07/ee5985f/ | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | dripton: looks like jenkins doesn't work with py26 on sqlalchemy-migrate anymore though, i might have to file a bug for that | 14:27 |
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| dripton | mriedem: good idea. I know 2.6 support is kind of shaky. The need for it should go away within a year, I hope. | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | yeah, this actually looks like an infra problem | 14:29 |
| mriedem | it tried running py26 tox on an image that didn't have py26 | 14:29 |
| dripton | mriedem: so other than that hiccup, is this qa system about to become an automatic voter on sqla-migrate changes so we know they don't break DB2? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | i'll bug mordred if that's the case :) | 14:30 |
| mriedem | dripton: yeah, right now it's jishaomei's account posting the results, she's going to change that to ibmdb2 | 14:30 |
| mriedem | looks like py27 runs in about 6 minutes and reports back | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | i'd like them to post more than the console though, like the test_results file | 14:31 |
| dripton | mriedem: that would be nice. Please let me know when all the changes have settled down and I'll go re-review the sqla-migrate DB2 support patch. | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | ok, thanks | 14:32 |
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| mordred | mriedem: you got a link/ | 14:33 |
| mordred | ? | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | mordred: looks like it was a hiccup http://logs.openstack.org/72/55572/9/check/gate-sqlalchemy-migrate-python26/821f11c/console.html | 14:33 |
| mriedem | i rechecked this morning and it's good now | 14:33 |
| mordred | mriedem: ok. cool | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | here is the db2 py27 result http://dal05.objectstorage.softlayer.net/v1/AUTH_58396f85-2c60-47b9-aaf8-e03bc24a1a6f/cilog/72/55572/9/check/ibm-db2-sqlalchemy-migrate-unittests-27sa07/ee5985f/console.html | 14:34 |
| mriedem | they don't have testr_results or subunit_logs, i think they are using nose rather than testr for some reason | 14:35 |
| mriedem | the migrate tests all run in serial though i think so not sure it matters | 14:35 |
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| tellesnobrega1 | vishy: so i was looking for the reason why the vms were not starting, i tried a different machine with a brand new devstack and the error still happened. i guess it wasnt us :P | 14:46 |
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| sdague | dripton: you working on sqla-migrate with any regularity? | 14:48 |
| sdague | it looked like the only things preventing openstack from going to sqla 0.9 was migrate | 14:48 |
| dripton | sdague: Not really. Mostly just reviewing other people's patches. | 14:49 |
| dripton | sdague: I can probably look at what would take to make it sqla 0.9 compatible sometime, but I have some critical bugs to fix first. | 14:49 |
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| sdague | dripton: sure, just thought I'd bring it up | 14:49 |
| sdague | especially because it looked like there was a new query optimizer in 0.9 | 14:50 |
| sdague | which may help overall openstack performance | 14:50 |
| dripton | sdague: I haven't really looked at sqla 0.9 at all yet, but I will. | 14:50 |
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| sdague | dripton: cool, thanks | 15:02 |
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| mriedem | sdague: dripton: let me know if you need any help there | 15:04 |
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| sdague | mriedem: well I think right now no one is looking at it. I found a couple of simple things that got it to pass the sqlite tests, but the mysql ones still failed | 15:05 |
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| mriedem | yeah, i'd have to look at it for db2 also if it moved up, so i'd be in there at some point | 15:05 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66156/ | 15:05 |
| sdague | that's the partial bit I came up with | 15:05 |
| mriedem | sdague: whitespace! | 15:06 |
| mriedem | i tried cleaning up the pep8 fails awhile back but that all got shot down | 15:06 |
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| sdague | mriedem: yeh, well it was always just a stab in the dark here | 15:10 |
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| ttx | sdague: ping re: governance doc publication progress | 16:19 |
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| beav | i'm trying to read messages from a topic using what's in master for oslo.messaging, specifically 9f58e2c3f. i'm able to connect to the bus using code similar to the listener example, but it doesn't seem to fire the endpoint method when messages come through | 17:44 |
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| msam | I'd like to connect with the person working on availability zone functionality within cells. Any help around progress with this work would be appreciated. | 17:49 |
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| sdague | ttx: sorry, saw the ping. I haven't followed up with jeblair on pub credentials yet. Given the nodepool firedrill, I'll probably wait until monday to kick that off again | 18:04 |
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| jeblair | sdague: what's the issue? | 18:05 |
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| sdague | understanding how to get credentials needed to public to openstack.org for the governance repo | 18:06 |
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| sdague | s/public/publish/ | 18:06 |
| jeblair | sdague: what path have we decided we want it at? | 18:07 |
| jeblair | sdague: rather, what url? | 18:07 |
| sdague | that I need to follow back on again, I don't remember where we landed. | 18:07 |
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| sdague | but I can't really look into it today, so I'll start poking on Monday | 18:07 |
| jeblair | sdague: ok. cool. | 18:08 |
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| Ajaeger | Hi, does anybody know why the ironic pep8 gate fails with "check_uptodate.sh: ironic.conf.sample is not up to date." - there's a wrong hostname in the file ;( | 18:11 |
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| Ajaeger | Examples: http://logs.openstack.org/09/74909/4/check/gate-ironic-pep8/c4a4beb/console.html and http://logs.openstack.org/30/75430/1/check/gate-ironic-pep8/e2358f8/console.html | 18:11 |
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| harlowja | russell_h thx for the fixes for keyboardinterrupts :) | 18:31 |
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| russell_h | harlowja: wrong russell, unless I've been coding in my sleep again | 18:32 |
| harlowja | durn | 18:32 |
| russell_h | which isn't entirely impossible | 18:32 |
| harlowja | russell_h np | 18:32 |
| harlowja | haha | 18:32 |
| russell_h | or just waste :) | 18:32 |
| russell_h | wasted, that is | 18:32 |
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| harlowja | its rustlebee :-P | 18:32 |
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| harlowja | forgot it was name change friday, and thought rustlebee might of changed to russell_h this time :-P | 18:32 |
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| russell_h | heh | 18:33 |
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| harlowja | never quite know :-P | 18:33 |
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| kbringard | hey guys, I have a question about this review/commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61067/ | 18:52 |
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| kbringard | anyone who was involved in it here? | 18:52 |
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| bknudson | I'm trying to do "tox -e py27" in oslo-incubator | 19:04 |
| bknudson | it's failing with a bunch of subunit output | 19:04 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i remember i had an issue with that recently | 19:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, there was one suite of tests i could get to pass, but the rest worked | 19:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, don't know which one it was though :( | 19:05 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, ^ | 19:05 |
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| bknudson | maybe I just have to clean up the .pycs | 19:07 |
| beav | w/bu2 | 19:07 |
| bknudson | and not clean up the .pys... oops | 19:08 |
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| bknudson | nope, cleaning out .pycs didn't help. | 19:10 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: are you working with master, or a branch where you've made changes? | 19:11 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: I switched to master when my branch wasn't working... didn't help | 19:11 |
| bknudson | ok. I might have other problems. | 19:11 |
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| bknudson | import errorsâ–’tests.unit.test_excutils | 19:21 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: tox -e venv -- python -m tests.unit.test_excutils | 19:22 |
| bknudson | from six.moves import mox # noqa | 19:23 |
| bknudson | ImportError: cannot import name mox | 19:23 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: that's odd | 19:30 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: looks like my six is __version__ = "1.5.2" | 19:31 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: what do you have in openstack/common/__init__.py? | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | that should install the extra move | 19:32 |
| bknudson | six.add_move(six.MovedModule('mox', 'mox', 'mox3.mox')) | 19:32 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, it looks like an import order thing | 19:34 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: I changed test_excutils.py to move the import down and now can import it | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: the only use of the mox module in that file is mox.In() but I don't know what that does, do you? | 19:35 |
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| bknudson | just moved "from six.moves import mox # noqa" to the end of the "from openstack.common import test" | 19:35 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: I suspect we're relying on import order from other tests coming before this module | 19:35 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that would fix it, I'm still trying to understand if there's a cleaner way | 19:36 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: I'm not familiar with mox.In. Sounds handy if it will tell you if something is in another thing! | 19:36 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: yep: https://code.google.com/p/pymox/wiki/MoxDocumentation#Comparators | 19:37 |
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| bknudson | maybe this doesn't happen with run_tests | 19:39 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: changing the import order in tests/unit/test_excutils.py allows tox -e py27 work for me. | 19:50 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: I've got a proposed fix... I'll post it. | 19:54 |
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| bknudson | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75494/ -- worked for me. | 19:57 |
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| dims | dhellmann, ping | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: thanks! | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | dims: sup? | 20:05 |
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| dims | dhellmann, can you please add oslo.vmware to pypi? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/CreatingANewLibrary#Prepare_an_Initial_Release | 20:08 |
| dims | dhellmann, i don't have pypi credentials | 20:09 |
| dims | dhellmann, if i just create an id in pypi is that enough? or do i need extra karma to do the needful? | 20:11 |
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| dims | dhellmann, k. i can confirm that i could not create the pypi entry using a new id "dims" - got this error - "You are not allowed to store 'oslo.vmware' package information" | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | dims: sorry, on a call | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | dims: creating now | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | dims: ok, there is already an oslo.vmware package owned by openstackci, so you should be all set | 20:20 |
| dims | dhellmann, ah. thanks. | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | dims: either a bot or an infra team member must have created it | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | I don't have admin access to it | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | dims: and for future reference, just having a pypi id would let you create new packages | 20:21 |
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| dims | dhellmann, nice, thanks again | 20:27 |
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| BLZbubba | i set up two compute nodes (havana) and it appears that by default nova-compute wants nova-network to be local -- but I have a dedicated nova-network node | 21:58 |
| BLZbubba | is there a nova.conf option to tell nova-compute to back off | 21:59 |
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| BLZbubba | BLZbubba: google for "network_host" you jackass | 22:00 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: have a sec to talk about the log notifier? | 22:18 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Sure. | 22:19 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74804/11/oslo/messaging/notify/log_handler.py | 22:19 |
| dhellmann | I'm trying to understand how knowing that "log" appears in the notification driver prevents infinite recursion in emit() | 22:20 |
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| dhellmann | is that in case the notification code logs? | 22:20 |
| dhellmann | oh, wait, I'm confused -- this is the notification logger, and it's looking for the log notifier, so it's not looking for itself in that list | 22:21 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I get it now | 22:21 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Right, we're making sure we aren't also using https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/oslo/messaging/notify/_impl_log.py | 22:21 |
| dhellmann | right | 22:21 |
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| dhellmann | I wonder if the right way to do that is to put a function in _impl_log.py and call it here. That would let us ensure the option is defined when we need it to be. | 22:22 |
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| dhellmann | maybe that's over-engineering, I don't know | 22:22 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: I don't think _impl_log knows whether it's enabled though, does it? | 22:27 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: it knows its own name, and it knows the option that would be used to configure it | 22:28 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: it feels less leaky to have it do the check itself | 22:28 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: I'm not sure it does know its own name. That mapping is done in setup.cfg: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/setup.cfg#L48 | 22:29 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: But I do agree that it would be nice to have a less fragile way to check this. | 22:30 |
| bnemec | Especially since it will blow up horribly if we get it wrong. :-) | 22:30 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: well, is it more reasonable for the log notifier to know that it is "log" than for some other unrelated code to know that? :-) | 22:30 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Agreed :-) | 22:31 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: of course, then the question becomes, should we be importing a driver to ask that question | 22:31 |
| dhellmann | probably not, especially not one in a private module | 22:32 |
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| catohornet | pwd | 22:32 |
| bnemec | /home/bnemec | 22:32 |
| bnemec | ;-) | 22:32 |
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| termie | hey, guess who sent in a patch | 23:08 |
| termie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75532/ | 23:08 |
| termie | drop whatever you are doing | 23:08 |
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| termie | vishy: what do i need to do to this patch to make it go in? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75532/ | 23:10 |
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| termie | vishy: nevermind, i think russell b is on it | 23:11 |
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| jgriffith | anybody else tried multi-node on latest master? | 23:15 |
| jgriffith | libvirt connection errors on compute nodes | 23:15 |
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| rustlebee | termie: heh, what's the rush? | 23:19 |
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| sdague | jgriffith: multinode devstack? | 23:20 |
| jgriffith | sdague: yup | 23:20 |
| sdague | yeh, I have a vagrant config for it running on my workstation right now | 23:21 |
| sdague | it's a 2 day old pull | 23:21 |
| jgriffith | sdague: ah... so known issue then? | 23:21 |
| sdague | no, I mean it works fine | 23:21 |
| jgriffith | sdague: Oh :( | 23:21 |
| sdague | as of at least 2 days ago | 23:21 |
| sdague | I can rebuild it, it takes about 20 mins | 23:21 |
| sdague | and just check | 23:22 |
| jgriffith | sdague: mind sharing your second nova conf (wondering if I missed somethign new) | 23:22 |
| jgriffith | sdague: that'd be cool | 23:22 |
| sdague | yeh, no worries, let me pastebin | 23:22 |
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| termie | rustlebee: matt's comments give "useful information" | 23:22 |
| jgriffith | sdague: awesome | 23:22 |
| termie | rustlebee: why did you remove them? | 23:22 |
| sdague | honestly, I've been meaning to just github this whole thing, but I need to clean up one credentials thing first | 23:22 |
| rustlebee | as you said "this is basic python" | 23:22 |
| jgriffith | sdague: nice | 23:23 |
| termie | rustlebee: apparently not to some people | 23:23 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I had a multi-node ansible/vagrant but I broke it horribly | 23:23 |
| jgriffith | and never got it working again :( | 23:23 |
| sdague | this is vagrant + puppet | 23:23 |
| jgriffith | sdague: nice | 23:23 |
| rustlebee | termie: to who? me? | 23:23 |
| sdague | + devstack | 23:23 |
| termie | rustlebee: anyway, looking forward to your +2 | 23:23 |
| termie | rustlebee: to the person who wants to file a bug | 23:23 |
| rustlebee | ok. | 23:23 |
| rustlebee | anyway, i already +2d | 23:24 |
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| rustlebee | termie: honestly, i don't appreciate your attitude with stuff like "lot of pushback for a 1-line python 101 change" | 23:24 |
| rustlebee | asking for a commit message that is more than 1 line isn't much to ask | 23:25 |
| termie | rustlebee: the change is clearly a non-issue, yes i should have added that object.__init__ doesn't take args | 23:26 |
| rustlebee | and you got feedback within minutes | 23:26 |
| rustlebee | ok. | 23:26 |
| sdague | jgriffith: http://paste.openstack.org/show/68168/ | 23:26 |
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| sdague | that's a local.conf | 23:26 |
| sdague | not a localrc | 23:26 |
| sdague | to get the networking right in nova | 23:26 |
| termie | rustlebee: the rapid feedback was indeed nice | 23:26 |
| rustlebee | you're welcome. | 23:26 |
| termie | rustlebee: danke | 23:26 |
| rustlebee | enjoy atlanta :-p | 23:27 |
| termie | rustlebee: it's a fun town | 23:27 |
| jgriffith | sdague: aweseom... thanks! | 23:27 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: the bummer is looks pretty similar | 23:29 |
| jgriffith | sdague: I must have something else going awry | 23:29 |
| sdague | jgriffith: what base OS? | 23:29 |
| jgriffith | sdague: 13.10 | 23:29 |
| sdague | I'm using 12.04 | 23:29 |
| jgriffith | yeah, I think it's 13.10 specific :( | 23:30 |
| jgriffith | sdague: but this is good... gets me further along than I was at least :) | 23:30 |
| sdague | we know there are some libvirt bugs in 1.1.x | 23:30 |
| sdague | which might be hurting 13.10 | 23:30 |
| jgriffith | sdague: yeah, going to see if I can't downgrade libvirt maybe | 23:30 |
| jgriffith | or just nuke the boxes and go 12.04 | 23:30 |
| jgriffith | might be easier at this point | 23:30 |
| jgriffith | sdague: haha... well that's interesting | 23:31 |
| jgriffith | sdague: 5 nodes running master... 1 running havana | 23:31 |
| sdague | hah | 23:31 |
| sdague | yeh... that might do it | 23:31 |
| jgriffith | sdague: and it's actually working for the moment | 23:31 |
| sdague | though we were suposed to be compatible | 23:31 |
| jgriffith | sdague: yeah, that's something I've been wanting to check so I just did it | 23:32 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: and kudos to grenade and all the compat efforst | 23:32 |
| sdague | I think you need to pin the rpc version at havana for that to work though | 23:32 |
| jgriffith | efforts | 23:32 |
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| sdague | or work fully | 23:32 |
| jgriffith | sdague: Oh... that could be interesting | 23:32 |
| jgriffith | sdague: yeah | 23:32 |
| jgriffith | I kinda wanna play with this now | 23:32 |
| jgriffith | :) | 23:32 |
| sdague | :) | 23:32 |
| jgriffith | sdague: thanks for the help | 23:32 |
| sdague | no prob | 23:33 |
| jgriffith | sdague: and good news on initial compat at least ;) | 23:33 |
| sdague | yep | 23:33 |
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| jgriffith | haha! | 23:34 |
| jgriffith | that didn't lsat long without RPC | 23:34 |
| jgriffith | oh well | 23:34 |
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