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| tqtran | Currently, you have to know in advance the contribute properties in Workflows.step in Horizon. Im trying to dynamically change the Workflows.Step contribute property base on a response of a request. Does python guru know how to achieve this? | 00:16 |
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| bknudson | henrynash: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65725/ | 00:33 |
| bknudson | this is changing the query parameter matching function, similar to change in filtering. | 00:34 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: so I'm OK with changing it if we decide that's right…the filtering change isn't actually doing that (it was like that before I think, I just made it a utile function) | 01:07 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: on the filtering patch…we trying to get this in before the I2 freeze…so I'm fine with us looking at the change in boolean interpretation as a patch on top of the filtering one | 01:15 |
| bknudson | henrynash: ok, but one doesn't contradict the other one? | 01:16 |
| bknudson | one of your comments was something like "this is the way we agreed to do it." | 01:16 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: well, the filtering one doesn't change the existing interoperation (remember we already filter today…it's just only done in the controller)….all I did was move that code to utils | 01:17 |
| bknudson | henrynash: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43257/50/keystone/common/utils.py | 01:17 |
| henrynash | bknudsonL it used to be in the controller | 01:17 |
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| bknudson | henrynash: ok, I at least wanted you two to know about each other's patches so we didn't wipe out a change in a merge conflict | 01:18 |
| bknudson | that could be avoided by rebasing one on the other. | 01:18 |
| Steap | Does anyone know what the signatures are supposed to be for functions in middleware/memcache_crypt.py ? | 01:18 |
| Steap | That'd help me quite a lot with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67199/ | 01:19 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: that logic reflected what we discussed way back when…although many people would like to change that…and I'm fine with that….we should discuss that on its merits - and it is totally independent on move filtering support into drivers | 01:19 |
| henrynash | bknudson: but , absolutely, good to make sure they don't collide…. | 01:19 |
| bknudson | the change to move the function could be split out into its own commit | 01:20 |
| henrynash | bknudson: sure…I guess…but don't we have literally less than 24 hours to get this all in…seems like a lot of work.... | 01:21 |
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| bknudson | henrynash: I thought this should have been merged back in sept. | 01:23 |
| henrynash | bknudson: I agree with you :-) | 01:23 |
| henrynash | bknduson: but it got put on hold till after the summit because we were meant to discuss filtering/paging etc. | 01:24 |
| henrynash | bknudson: then that never happened….and I've been pulled off on other stuff for the last few months…. | 01:25 |
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| bknudson | henrynash: if you need help polishing something up next time, I could have made some time. | 01:30 |
| henrynash | bknudson: ok, thanks….appreciate that | 01:31 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: does the breakdown of patches in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60751/ make sense to you or not worth it? | 01:33 |
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| jamielennox | (the reviewer who suggested splitting it) | 01:33 |
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| jamielennox | i'm not sure if it makes any difference | 01:34 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I suggested splitting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60751/ ? | 01:34 |
| jamielennox | no | 01:34 |
| bknudson | in irc or something? | 01:34 |
| jamielennox | someone else | 01:34 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: but that's kindof your department so i was just checking if you agreed :) | 01:34 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: what's the suggestion? | 01:35 |
| jamielennox | 3 reviews, interfaces, v2 plugin, v3 plugin | 01:35 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: well, it is 1200 changed lines... | 01:36 |
| jamielennox | there's 400 odd lines of testing added | 01:36 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/11-proven-practices-for-peer-review/ | 01:37 |
| bknudson | 1. Review fewer than 200–400 lines of code at a time | 01:37 |
| jamielennox | fair enough - what ever gets it looked at i guess is good | 01:37 |
| bknudson | so for reviewers it's best to limit the changes to 200-400 lines | 01:37 |
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| jamielennox | there is a fairly large hack involved in that review that i think the significance of might be missed if i split it | 01:38 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: ok, i'll split it | 01:38 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, only 60 comments? This thing is as good as merged | 01:41 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: lol | 01:41 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: they're all pretty easy comments to take care of... it does look good in general | 01:42 |
| bknudson | the most confusing part was the config option for disabling whatever. | 01:42 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I just finished up adding some more tests. I had missed domain disable as a revoke event | 01:42 |
| ayoung | there is going to be a lag between a domain disable and an enable event that will allow domain scoped tokens going through | 01:43 |
| ayoung | there is no way to remove a revoke event | 01:43 |
| ayoung | revoke_by_id? | 01:43 |
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| ayoung | yeah, I am not wedded to that name, but if we are going to change it, we need to change it now bknudson | 01:43 |
| bknudson | ayoung: yes, the revoke_by_id option... not sure what the point of it is. | 01:43 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, it removes the existing revoke behavior | 01:44 |
| bknudson | seems like we can add a config option in m3. | 01:44 |
| ayoung | that is what leads to the need for the token lists | 01:44 |
| ayoung | can't test the existing code if that is there | 01:44 |
| ayoung | it deletes the tokens we want to compare | 01:44 |
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| bknudson | so it's just for testing and not for customers? | 01:45 |
| bknudson | doesn't really need to be a config option then | 01:45 |
| ayoung | no, it will be for customers | 01:45 |
| bknudson | could be a global variable. | 01:45 |
| ayoung | not all of the functionality for it is written, | 01:45 |
| ayoung | just the minimal | 01:45 |
| ayoung | without it, this patch is untestable, though, and I would not trust it | 01:46 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, eventually, that switch will mean "don't record the tokens lists in the backend" | 01:48 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I like that name better | 01:48 |
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| ayoung | what name? | 01:49 |
| bknudson | although it seems like it would be better to have a different token backend. | 01:49 |
| bknudson | ayoung: dont_record_the_tokens_lists_in_the_backend" | 01:49 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, well, they are there in order to support "revoke_tokens_by_id" | 01:50 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, we don't have a name for the existing token revoke mechanism. I would have called it V2 token revocations, but we have them in V3 | 01:53 |
| ayoung | so revoke_by_id is the clearest I had | 01:53 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: so given that my patch isn't changing the boolean interoperation…is there a reason why you still have a -1 on it? | 02:11 |
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| morganfainberg | hm. | 02:13 |
| bknudson | henrynash: nope. all my comments have been addressed. | 02:13 |
| morganfainberg | oh hi! | 02:13 |
| henrynash | bknudson: ok, great, thx | 02:14 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ping | 02:16 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, so the line environment.use_eventlet(monkeypatch_thread=False) needs to be called for all code paths. It is currently skipped in the test_auth path, and without the CMS patching is not done | 02:26 |
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| ayoung | I'm not totally happy with that approach (forcing patching one way or the other) but someone broke it. It only shows if you run just test_auth | 02:27 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I think I've hit the problem running a subset of tests before too. | 02:53 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I think the refactoring pulled too much into the fixtures. THis is a simple fix to keep development going | 02:54 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, jamielennox what was the reolution to the whole "append Z to time" issue? Should the times always have Z or never Have Z in string form? | 03:10 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, ^^ | 03:10 |
| jamielennox | ayoung, i can't remember which we decided was correct | 03:10 |
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| jamielennox | i think if you just use the function from OSLO then at least it is standard | 03:11 |
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| morganfainberg | this was a rabbit hole... with some very odd specifics, though I am not sure there is a reason why Z can't be included. | 03:11 |
| morganfainberg | let me 2x check rfc, but Wikipedia says Z is just utc designator | 03:13 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, which function? | 03:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime - Times are expressed in UTC (Coordinated Universal Time), with a special UTC designator ("Z"). | 03:14 |
| ayoung | self.revoked_at = timeutils.isotime() | 03:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think that means Z is correct for our usecases | 03:14 |
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| ayoung | We should just have a damn date object instead of all this string parsing but our code base is so functionally decomposed | 03:15 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i think i was using strtime, but i can't remember why | 03:15 |
| jamielennox | oh, because jsonutils says turn datetime into string using strftime | 03:16 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yes | 03:16 |
| ayoung | Nah, I am using str(object) | 03:17 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think timeutils has a utility to convert to the correct iso8601 format | 03:21 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, doesn't str(datetime_obj) end up with... other results? | 03:21 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah...I was not using it. THat was the problem | 03:21 |
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| morganfainberg | ah | 03:23 |
| morganfainberg | yeah, use that function :) | 03:23 |
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| ayoung | Argh isotime chops the millis | 03:25 |
| morganfainberg | nah, subsecond=True | 03:25 |
| morganfainberg | you need to specify it | 03:25 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, dstanek Alright python gurus...how do I do this as a single liner | 03:48 |
| ayoung | found = False | 03:48 |
| ayoung | for e in events: | 03:48 |
| ayoung | if (e['user_id'] == user_id and e['expires_at'] == expires_at): | 03:48 |
| ayoung | found = True | 03:48 |
| bknudson | found = any([e['user_id'] == user_id and e['expires_at'] == expires_at for e in events]) ? | 03:49 |
| bknudson | ayoung: ^ | 03:50 |
| dstanek | ayoung: something like - any((e['user_id'] == user_id and e['expires_at'] == expires_at) for e in events) | 03:50 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, beat me to it | 03:50 |
| dstanek | :-) | 03:50 |
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| morganfainberg | though, I'd contest that that is not exactly super readable | 03:50 |
| bknudson | dstanek: it's got to be correct | 03:50 |
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| ayoung | Nope | 03:50 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: ++ | 03:50 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: any particular reason you need it to be one line? | 03:51 |
| ayoung | nope | 03:51 |
| ayoung | just trying to finally learn python | 03:51 |
| lbragstad | :) just for the fun of it? | 03:51 |
| ayoung | think it will look good on my resume | 03:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, eh, i think Ruby might be a better bet... or you know PHP | 03:51 |
| ayoung | Ada | 03:52 |
| ayoung | can get those lush DoD jobs | 03:52 |
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| ayoung | course, my secret clearance has lapsed | 03:52 |
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| bknudson | at college Ada was first CSci class... never used it since.. | 03:52 |
| morganfainberg | never learned Ada in college. | 03:52 |
| bknudson | it was supposed to be the wave of the future | 03:53 |
| bknudson | govt was going to require it for everything | 03:53 |
| bknudson | same with POSIX | 03:53 |
| morganfainberg | i am tempted every now and again to learn erlang. | 03:53 |
| morganfainberg | then i go and look at examples and come back to python | 03:53 |
| bknudson | with erlang we could replace the running code on the system. | 03:54 |
| lbragstad | In college, we had a professor who was hell bent on getting us to write a video game using lamda moo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LambdaMOO | 03:54 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, but it would require us to write erlang | 03:54 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, ugh, lambdamoo is such a ... trainwreck. | 03:54 |
| lbragstad | array indexing starts at one... | 03:55 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, (disclaimer: I got paid for a while to write C to extend that and crazy Mud code bases) | 03:55 |
| lbragstad | lol really?! | 03:55 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 03:55 |
| morganfainberg | ported/enhanced some of the hot-reboot codes etc | 03:55 |
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| morganfainberg | did some malloc replacement in i think Dikumud based stuff to help isolate memory leaks | 03:56 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: nice | 03:56 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, and by malloc replacement, i mean... why would you do that terrible macro... do something else | 03:56 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: :) | 03:57 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, but.. i'll stand by the trainwreck comment | 03:57 |
| ayoung | OK, so I just confirmed that revoking one token revokes all of the tokens with the same user/expiry | 03:57 |
| * ayoung happy | 03:57 | |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yay! | 03:58 |
| * lbragstad stands next morganfainberg 's trainwreck comment too | 03:58 | |
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| morganfainberg | wow, i feel brain fried today | 04:01 |
| morganfainberg | good thing i had the day off. | 04:01 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: I hear yeah, I've looked at henrynash 's stuff a few times today | 04:01 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad, i didn't even get to that today. ran errands then it was suddenly like 6pm | 04:02 |
| morganfainberg | now it's like 8. | 04:02 |
| lbragstad | I forget you're two hours later | 04:02 |
| morganfainberg | lol yeah SoCal | 04:03 |
| morganfainberg | it also means i'ts like 80 degrees here durning the day | 04:03 |
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| lbragstad | nice | 04:03 |
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| morganfainberg | i like cold weather :P | 04:04 |
| lbragstad | we have plenty of it up here if you want some | 04:04 |
| morganfainberg | send some to SoCal | 04:04 |
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| morganfainberg | especially if there is rain involved/... or snow | 04:04 |
| lbragstad | .. lots of snow | 04:04 |
| morganfainberg | heck to california in general | 04:04 |
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| morganfainberg | please send us some... we need it :P | 04:05 |
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| topol | we have snow coming too. I hate snow | 04:05 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: I'm not going to have much to update you on tomorrow I'm afraid | 04:53 |
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| coolsvap | n0ano: hey | 04:58 |
| ayoung | bknudson, OK...nother change posted...and I am headed to bed. Thanks for your dilligence | 04:58 |
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| coolsvap | I saw you abondoned all the gantt patches | 04:59 |
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| n0ano | coolsvap, ack | 04:59 |
| n0ano | yeah, note the email thread on dev, we decided not to continuously sync with nova, get the gantt tree working first and then rebase the tree | 04:59 |
| coolsvap | n0ano: I think I missed that, sure that could also work | 05:00 |
| n0ano | six of one, half dozen of the other, I'm OK with that path, it's easy enough to redo what I did. | 05:01 |
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| n0ano | easy part was creating the devstack patches, I've already submitted them, getting the unit tests to work - no so easy | 05:02 |
| coolsvap | whats the subject of mail? | 05:02 |
| coolsvap | got it | 05:03 |
| n0ano | `sync up patches' | 05:03 |
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| BobBall | yjiang5: Sorry - had to go home very early yesterday. | 09:31 |
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| jd__ | lifeless: is there a secret to decrypt the garbage subunit reports sometimes like \xb3)\x01@T@Itests.test_p when it fails to load the tests for whatever reason? I didn't even find a bug in LP about that, not sure what to do | 10:28 |
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| lifeless | jd__: yes | 10:28 |
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| lifeless | jd__: the very end of it has the modules that are not importing correctly | 10:29 |
| lifeless | jd__: the bad error output is because of over enthusiastic diagnostics in testr | 10:29 |
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| jd__ | lifeless: thanks :) | 10:30 |
| jd__ | lifeless: running subunit manually I don't seem to manage to have a "clean output" anyway, not sure why | 10:30 |
| jd__ | didn't find a bug in testrepository about that, is there one I could follow? | 10:30 |
| jd__ | I'd be happy to try to write a fix or something | 10:30 |
| lifeless | jd__: . .tox/py27/bin/activate; python import foo.bar.baz | 10:31 |
| lifeless | jd__: o, the output ? | 10:31 |
| lifeless | I'm not sure if I've filed one; please do (bugs.launchpad.net/testrepository) | 10:31 |
| jd__ | lifeless: yeah thanks to your hint I noticed the import error at the end :) | 10:31 |
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| jd__ | I'll take a look and will open a bug | 10:31 |
| lifeless | jd__: as for a fix - cool; don't worry about bzr - I take patches | 10:32 |
| jd__ | :-)) | 10:32 |
| lifeless | testrepository/testcommand.py line 299 is where the output is coming from | 10:32 |
| lifeless | but you can see that to use the output we pass it through parse_enumeration | 10:33 |
| lifeless | so the fix would be to teach parse_enumeration to give back a a pair of test ids and errors | 10:33 |
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| lifeless | and if there are errors *or* the returncode is nonzero, show the errors | 10:34 |
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| lifeless | _v2 in testlist.py will need to change as well | 10:34 |
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| lifeless | to include the errors | 10:34 |
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| lifeless | gnight | 10:37 |
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| ihrachys | a general question on how to handle oslo-incubator related bugs. So assuming there is a bug in oslo-incubator rpc module, and it's registered in Launchpad. Which projects should be affected by this? The obvious candidates are oslo and oslo.messaging. Should we also add each and every openstack module which uses this rpc module (like neutron, or ceilometer...)? Or can we just assume that the issue will | 13:34 |
| ihrachys | eventually be fixed by consequent sync from incubator, and hence there's no need to add all those projects to affected list? | 13:35 |
| ihrachys | I've seen oslo bugs with huge lists of affected projects before, but this approach doesn't look easy to handle | 13:35 |
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| bknudson | ihrachys: what I've done is if it's found in a project (keystone) and I plan on pulling the change into the project then I'll add that project. | 13:39 |
| bknudson | I don't add every openstack project | 13:39 |
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| ihrachys | bknudson: yes, I plan to do it for neutron, so I'll also add neutron project to the list, but this looks like a half-solution. | 13:40 |
| bknudson | ihrachys: there was a note to the mailing list about enhancing update.py ... | 13:41 |
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| bknudson | maybe update.py could figure out what bugs are closed from the commit messages and transfer them to the new commit message. | 13:42 |
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| jgriffith | /window//wind/ | 13:42 |
| bknudson | then launchpad would add the project to the bug for you? | 13:43 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hi! | 13:45 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: morning | 13:46 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: #openstack-relmgr-office ? | 13:47 |
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| dolphm | marekd: i'm reviewing / working on a patchset for idp's | 14:45 |
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| marekd | dolphm: cool, thanks. | 14:45 |
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| marekd | dolphm: i will be around for few more hours. | 14:46 |
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| dolphm | marekd: fyi, you changed a few methods to be called put_ but did so inconsistently? i'm changing them back to create_ | 14:47 |
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| marekd | dolphm: heh, ok. | 14:49 |
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| dolphm | marekd: it might make sense to call the controllers something other than create_ but the driver methods don't need to care about the HTTP method | 14:51 |
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| marekd | dolphm: got it. | 14:52 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, Revocations is probably ready for you. bknudson did the 60-inline-comments review yesterday, and I posted the changes at midnight. Its trhough the check queue now; all green. | 14:54 |
| ayoung | I can take some reviews. What is burning?\ | 14:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i saw lol | 14:54 |
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| ayoung | Looks like Gate is flowing again, too | 14:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: give me a few more minutes on idp's and then that'll need a review | 14:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 14:54 |
| ayoung | Sounds good. | 14:55 |
| dolphm | not sure if that's just overnight, or if it's actually improved | 14:55 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: alrighty- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/ (cc- marekd) | 14:58 |
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| marekd | dolphm: ayoung : just realized I missed that and that's pretty crucial: http://pasteraw.com/4ghyirco3o2j2v18q12o7b9q80xbj8u | 15:19 |
| dolphm | marekd: ooh, nice test | 15:19 |
| ayoung | marekd, ++ | 15:20 |
| dolphm | marekd: the first part was already in there, no? | 15:20 |
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| marekd | not handle_conflict | 15:20 |
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| ttx | markmc, flaper87: is one of you filling in for dhellmann this week ? | 15:21 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I am, as in I'm keeping an eye on the i-2 status for oslo-* | 15:22 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ayoung are either of you able to leave a comment at line 710 here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55908/24/keystone/tests/test_v3_auth.py | 15:22 |
| ttx | flaper87: ok, please come to #openstack-relmgr-office | 15:22 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, yes I can. | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | ttx: can I do it in a bit? I'm in another meeting now :S | 15:23 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, are you using chrome? | 15:23 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: yes | 15:23 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg had a problem with chrome earlier this week | 15:23 |
| ayoung | some sort of update is choking on the gerrit Javascript I am guessing lbragstad | 15:23 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: interesting, it keeps kicking me around to different parts of the file | 15:23 |
| ayoung | Yep | 15:23 |
| ttx | flaper87: sure! | 15:23 |
| ayoung | try firefox | 15:23 |
| bknudson | lbragstad: I don't have a problem leaving a comment. | 15:23 |
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| ttx | flaper87: ping me there when available | 15:24 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: ok sounds good, I'll publish the comments I have and then finish in firefox | 15:24 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson: are you using chrome? | 15:24 |
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| bknudson | lbragstad: no. FF | 15:24 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ok | 15:24 |
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| marekd | bknudson: aaargh, I did apply your suggestions for sure and probably broke git somehow. | 15:26 |
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| ayoung | marekd, you never break git. Git is resiliant | 15:34 |
| ayoung | you can always restore an old state | 15:34 |
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| marekd | ayoung: ++ | 15:37 |
| ayoung | marekd, you got it sorted? | 15:37 |
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| marekd | fixed. adding the test i mentioned in pasteraw | 15:37 |
| marekd | 1 minute. | 15:37 |
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| dolphm | marekd: bknudson added some comments | 15:42 |
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| marekd | noticed that. | 15:42 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, check me on this: if 'id' in user and user['id'] != user_id: could be rewritten as if user.get('id') != user_id: right? the != means that they are semantically the same? | 15:44 |
| marekd | dolphm: looks like you commited kina outdated patchset for idp? patchset 17 (mine) has render_response() in controllers.py, whereas Patchset 18 (yours) doesn't. | 15:45 |
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| marekd | and 17 has almost all of bknudson's suggestions applied. | 15:47 |
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| ayoung | ah...no they are not the same...disregard | 15:47 |
| dstanek | ayoung: there may be a slight difference in semantics there | 15:47 |
| ayoung | dstanek, yeah, and in this case that difference is significant | 15:47 |
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| ayoung | the presnet indicates the values were sent in for update. T | 15:48 |
| marekd | dolphm: me fix it all, apply your changes and commit patchset again? | 15:48 |
| ayoung | Their absense means "ignore" | 15:48 |
| dolphm | marekd: i don't have more changes? | 15:48 |
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| dolphm | marekd: (reading back) hrm... i thought i checked out the latest | 15:48 |
| marekd | no worries, you are probably multitasking hardcore level at the moment. | 15:49 |
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| marekd | dolphm: pulling patchset 17, fixing, rebasing with current master will work, right? | 15:50 |
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| dolphm | marekd: i don't know what happened on my end :-/ i've never checked out the last 2 patchsets (15 & 16) | 15:52 |
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| dolphm | marekd: and yes - i'll re-apply my changes | 15:53 |
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| marekd | hold on, cause I don't wanna end up in a race condition :-) | 15:54 |
| maurosr | hey can someone take a look on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66360/ ? (oslo-incubator) | 15:55 |
| marekd | dolphm: i will add it first, ok? | 15:55 |
| dolphm | marekd: ++ | 15:55 |
| dolphm | marekd: i'm waiting | 15:55 |
| marekd | cool. | 15:55 |
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| dolphm | marekd: ping me when you're ready | 16:11 |
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| ik__ | hi | 16:13 |
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| ik__ | sorry to ask very basic question | 16:13 |
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| ik__ | how filter REST requests can be fired? | 16:14 |
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| ik__ | I mean how can I fire search request | 16:14 |
| marekd | dolphm: let me run full testsuite. | 16:14 |
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| ik__ | any one? | 16:24 |
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| terrylhowe | ik__ http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/filtering.html | 16:26 |
| ik__ | awesome thanks terrylhowe, I was trying /search/? | 16:27 |
| ik__ | thanks again | 16:27 |
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| marekd | dolphm: Patchset 19 landed. | 16:28 |
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| dolphm | marekd: thanks! | 16:30 |
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| marekd | ayoung: dolphm : meeting today at normal time, or it's put off due to mess with merging the code and burning reviews? | 16:33 |
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| ayoung | lets meet | 16:34 |
| dolphm | marekd: we'll have one, but it'll likely be 100% about i2 vs i3 | 16:34 |
| ayoung | we can focus people on the release...don't need the full time | 16:34 |
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| devoid | are there instructions for configuring tempest to run tests against a "real" openstack deployment? | 16:35 |
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| marekd | ok, i am out of here for the moment. Should be back for the meeting. | 16:37 |
| marekd | cheers. | 16:37 |
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| dolphm | marekd|away: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/ | 16:45 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ^ | 16:45 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, put this one on your radar https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1271235 | 16:45 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: ++ i mentioned that in the code review when it landed, need to follow up with jaypipes | 16:46 |
| devoid | just doing "testr list-tests" gives me crazy silly output | 16:46 |
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| devoid | Non-zero exit code (2) from test listing. stdout='\xb3)\x01@b@Wtempest.api.baremetal.test_api_discovery.TestApiDiscovery.test_api_versions[gate,smoke]\xf1\xb5\x19t\xb3 ... | 16:46 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, just noticed it now that marek was going right to the wsgi layer to return content for a PUT operation | 16:49 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, was wondering if there wasn't something easier | 16:50 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: not for when you want to customize the response like that | 16:50 |
| stevemar | dolphm line 159 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/19/keystone/contrib/federation/controllers.py | 16:50 |
| stevemar | mm | 16:50 |
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| stevemar | i suppose | 16:50 |
| ndn9797 | #openstack-manila | 16:50 |
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| stevemar | we can improve that later i guess | 16:50 |
| devoid | do I need to switch my encoding off UTF-8 for testr to output properly? | 16:51 |
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| topol | ayoung, who was the Barbican person you introduced me to at the hackathon and what is his email? | 16:54 |
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| ayoung | topol, um... | 16:54 |
| dolphm | topol: ayoung: jarret raim? | 16:54 |
| ayoung | they are all in #openstack-barbican | 16:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, he was one of them, yes | 16:54 |
| * ayoung still thinks he sounds like acharacter from the Wheel of Time series | 16:55 | |
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| topol | ayoung, Tom something? | 16:55 |
| dolphm | topol: ayoung: first.last@rackspace.com | 16:55 |
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| topol | was he a racker or a red hat person? | 16:55 |
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| ayoung | The Red Hatter was alee | 16:55 |
| ayoung | Ade Lee. | 16:55 |
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| topol | well this is awkward :-) | 16:56 |
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| topol | dolphm, ayoung John Wood perhaps? | 16:57 |
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| ayoung | topol, https://launchpad.net/~barbican-core/+members#active | 16:58 |
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| ayoung | The two RHers were alee (ade) and edewata (Endi Dewata) | 16:58 |
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| topol | Thats where I got the name. I think it was John Wood. ayoung glad to see your memory is as bad as mine :-) | 16:59 |
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| dolphm | topol: woodster in irc | 16:59 |
| ayoung | topol, I can't remember who talked to whom when | 16:59 |
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| topol | dolphm, ayoung, cool. I'll send an intro email. I found an IBMer to start contributing to Barbican | 17:00 |
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| ayoung | ++ | 17:00 |
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| dolphm | woot! | 17:02 |
| devoid | Am I just completely misunderstanding how tempest is supposed to be used? | 17:02 |
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| roaet | devoid: what do you mean? | 17:07 |
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| roaet | Ah, the utf-8 error thing? | 17:07 |
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| devoid1 | well, first off: testr list-tests returns a non-zero exit status | 17:08 |
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| devoid1 | that too | 17:08 |
| roaet | I have personally never tried to use that function. | 17:08 |
| roaet | I can try it. | 17:08 |
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| bknudson | "tox -e venv testr list-tests" worked for me. | 17:08 |
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| roaet | devoid1: are there any other messages? | 17:09 |
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| dsantos_ | Hi, I was thinking about defining a cloud admin role. I saw that currently the only way for doing this is to create an admin domain, assign an admin role for a user in this domain and specify the "cloud_admin" rule in the policy.json based on the domain_id. But I think that conceptually the cloud admin should not have a default project or domain, like it's needed currently. Also I think that the cloud admin should get a unscoped token and h | 17:09 |
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| roaet | devoid1: I'm getting /opt/stack/neutron/.venv/bin/python: No module named subunit , which I know how to fix, but are you getting that? | 17:10 |
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| ayoung | looks like I am going to be adding IdP support to revocations | 17:11 |
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| devoid1 | bknudson I'm within a virtualenv already so I'm not sure what tox -e venv is going to do beyond that | 17:12 |
| devoid1 | roaet: nope. | 17:12 |
| devoid1 | $ ./run_tests.sh : testr: error: no such option: -l | 17:13 |
| devoid1 | Ran 0 tests in 0.065s | 17:13 |
| devoid1 | OK | 17:13 |
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| roaet | have you run testr init? | 17:13 |
| stevemar | ayoung, you can do that work as a bug in i3 :) | 17:13 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, ++ | 17:13 |
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| devoid1 | roaet: yea, $ testr stats runs=1 | 17:14 |
| ayoung | stevemar, if we include the Keystone internal IdP in there, it will be a way to say "refuse all tokens I've issued." | 17:14 |
| roaet | I'm not really sure what's happening :( | 17:14 |
| roaet | it may be helpful to ask in #openstack-qa | 17:14 |
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| devoid | roaet: thanks, checking over there | 17:15 |
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| ayoung | marekd|away, dolphm why is there no driver definition in federation/core.py | 17:18 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: there's no defined interface -- i was going to add one in a subsequent patch | 17:20 |
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| ayoung | so...letting it settle out before defining the Driver? How novel | 17:20 |
| ayoung | OK...I can deal with that. Its odd, though | 17:20 |
| dolphm | ayoung: agree, it was an oversight by me until recently | 17:20 |
| ayoung | Yeah, Ididn't see it first go-round | 17:21 |
| ayoung | not a stop-ship, though | 17:21 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I thought there was a REST V3 Controller that removed the need for lots of the boilerplate REST code? | 17:25 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, "I think we still need a test for user defined id's ..." but not enough to -1? | 17:26 |
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| ayoung | Isn't that covered by the recent sql handles conflict update? | 17:27 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/20/keystone/tests/test_v3_federation.py line 189? | 17:28 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, i saw that earlier too | 17:28 |
| ayoung | I'm prepping a +2 Approve. Going once. | 17:28 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, but there no verifying that the id is actually that id :) | 17:29 |
| stevemar | theres no assertions in that test | 17:29 |
| stevemar | just being picky | 17:29 |
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| stevemar | go ahead and +2 it | 17:29 |
| ayoung | you mean that it is not generated? Is there a test that creates and then fetches the IdP? | 17:29 |
| stevemar | creates with a non-user defined id | 17:30 |
| stevemar | but not with a user defined id | 17:30 |
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| stevemar | but it's very likely that marek is afk for the evening, and we can add a test later | 17:30 |
| stevemar | or treat a problem as a bug | 17:30 |
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| ayoung | ++ | 17:31 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, +2 approved. Moving on to addressing commens in the revoke code | 17:33 |
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| morganfainberg | allo | 17:35 |
| morganfainberg | morning and all that | 17:35 |
| dolphm | ayoung: marekd|away: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68184/ | 17:35 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, looks about right....will add to the queue... | 17:35 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i haven't even run offline tests | 17:36 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, NP on that. | 17:36 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I disagree on breaking out the extension thing into its own patch | 17:36 |
| ayoung | it does not need explicit testing, it just needs to be there for my patch to land | 17:37 |
| ayoung | its not worth the added effort | 17:37 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: if the revoke code is removed for whatever reason it's not going to be tested? | 17:42 |
| ayoung | true | 17:43 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, there is so much I want to change about how we enumerate and navigate to extensions... | 17:43 |
| topol | dolphm, why would someone decorate a wrapper with @property like is done in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59604/12/keystone/contrib/kds/api/v1/models/base.py ? | 17:43 |
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| ayoung | But I'm under deadline here, and this is not priority | 17:43 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I don't understand why we need to change the extensions code for this one... we've already got the admin and public extensions | 17:44 |
| bknudson | and that seems to work for every other extension but this one? | 17:44 |
| morganfainberg | topol. line#? | 17:44 |
| ayoung | bknudson, this is V3 only | 17:44 |
| bknudson | all of the recent extensions have been? | 17:44 |
| ayoung | other extensions should be doing that as well, but we have legacy | 17:44 |
| ayoung | trying to avoid that | 17:44 |
| dolphm | topol: excellent question. i'm not sure | 17:44 |
| topol | morganfainberg 31 | 17:45 |
| dolphm | jamielennox|away: ^ | 17:45 |
| kmartin | sdague: Hi Sean, any chance you could look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65179/ it has four +1's (including John Griffith) and now gate appears to be working as you had a requirement patch land today? This requirement change in holding up a new cinder driver that is targetted to landed in Icehouse-2 | 17:45 |
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| topol | dolphm, is 59604 something that needs to land or can I -1 and comment that line with a wtf? | 17:46 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, dolphm, it looks like it is because @memoize is being used in lieu of @property | 17:47 |
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| morganfainberg | @memoize is encompassing the effect of @property, though I'd argue @memoize is a bad name, it should be @memoized_property if that is the intended effect | 17:48 |
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| morganfainberg | @memoize feels like it should be what dogpile does, not restricted to self as being the only argument | 17:48 |
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| dolphm | topol: already targeted at i3 | 17:52 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, are we not doing translation stuff for kds? | 17:55 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: not so far, but we should | 17:55 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, re: putting the revoke into the token-delete code: it doesn' | 17:56 |
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| ayoung | t match in useage | 17:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ok wont -1 on that then. wasn't sure. | 17:56 |
| bknudson | ayoung: ok, just wanted you to consider it. | 17:56 |
| ayoung | there are a lot of places doing explcit token deletes, one per something that we need to do in bulk | 17:56 |
| ayoung | yeah, I tried that first | 17:56 |
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| ayoung | I don't love the code as is, but bascially we need to replace the existing calls with the new calls, over time.... | 17:57 |
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| devoid | anyone here setup tempest against non-devstack targets? | 18:26 |
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| tellesnobrega | can anyone help me understand what the "owner" : "user_id:%(user_id)s or user_id:%(target.token.user_id)s" rule in policy means? | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: marekd: one of you working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60424/ ? | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, yes | 18:38 |
| stevemar | i am | 18:38 |
| stevemar | rebasing now | 18:38 |
| dolphm | stevemar: let me know when you have a patchset | 18:38 |
| stevemar | and changing it to PUT | 18:38 |
| stevemar | soon | 18:38 |
| dolphm | stevemar: 2 hours 40 minutes until it must be gating | 18:39 |
| dolphm | stevemar: let me know if you need help | 18:39 |
| stevemar | dolphm, should be ok | 18:40 |
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| devoid | tellesnobrega, "For | 18:42 |
| devoid | any of the objects that have a user_id, you can use the policy rule | 18:42 |
| devoid | "user_id:%(user_id)s", which will only be true if the user_id in the | 18:42 |
| devoid | context is the same as the user_id on the object access is being checked | 18:42 |
| devoid | against. " http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2013-December/003710.html | 18:42 |
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| devoid | < still has tempest issues | 18:43 |
| tellesnobrega | devoid: thanks | 18:43 |
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| Alexei_987 | jamielennox: Hello :) please ping me here if you would like to discuss clients topic | 18:44 |
| devoid | markwash, ping | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | Alexei_987: i'm around but in #openstack-meeting | 18:46 |
| tellesnobrega | devoid: do you know what is the difference between using user_id:%(user_id)s and user_id:%(target.token.user_id)s by that i mean user_id and target.token.user_id? | 18:46 |
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| devoid | tellesnobrega, I do not, sorry. | 18:47 |
| markwash | devoid: hello | 18:47 |
| tellesnobrega | devoid: thanks anyway | 18:47 |
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| devoid | markwash, did you have a chance to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1258342 | 18:47 |
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| markwash | devoid: I was looking at it but it sounded like it was not reproducible on devstack? | 18:49 |
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| devoid | markwash, that is correct. | 18:49 |
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| dstanek | henrynash: what's up with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43257? | 18:50 |
| henrynash | dstanek: somehow the approval on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43257/54 got knocked off when I submitted a patch that was dependant on it…since it was approved it is already someway up the gate queue….not sure if Dolphm needs reapply approval or won't that matter? | 18:51 |
| markwash | devoid: you said recently, "we are still seeing issues on several counts with 0.12.0" | 18:51 |
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| markwash | devoid: are those blocking using 0.12.0? or are you just referring to other things you want to file as bugs? | 18:51 |
| devoid | markwash, still seeing the issues outlined in the bug 1258342 | 18:52 |
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| dstanek | henrynash: looks like it is still gating...so maybe it's OK | 18:53 |
| markwash | devoid: so you have confirmed that the issue you are seeing with permissions is *not* dependent on the glanceclient version | 18:53 |
| markwash | devoid: sorry I might just be having trouble reading today :-) | 18:54 |
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| devoid | markwash, correct. if you look at the glance logs in http://paste.openstack.org/show/54544/ you can see that it's not even making the right select statements with respect to the owner column. | 18:54 |
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| markwash | devoid: that's interesting. . that is yet another phenomenon that indicates that things are wonky in terms of the role of the user and the tenant that is given in the request | 18:56 |
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| devoid | markwash, my complete setup is documented in #2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1258342/comments/2 | 18:57 |
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| markwash | devoid: regular users have *no* ability to set the owner when creating an image | 18:57 |
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| markwash | there is a line that clearly says "if not admin, image.owner = context.owner (== context.tenant)" | 18:58 |
| devoid | ok, well in those cases I see it set to NULL | 18:58 |
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| devoid | markwash, e.g. mysql> select count(*) from images where owner is NULL; 17 | 19:01 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: ayoung: bknudson: fwiw, i'm okay with completely abandoning the 35357 completely (in favor of 5002 or something?), but it'll take some work across a lot of projects to do so | 19:05 |
| ayoung | dolphm, 443 | 19:05 |
| dolphm | ooh, now i have this dangerous list: ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak: ^ | 19:05 |
| ayoung | seriously, lets not continue a bad approach | 19:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's a bigger conversation though | 19:06 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and not just a port change to avoid a conflict | 19:06 |
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| bknudson | I don't think anyone would stop someone from submitting changes to devstack to get keystone listening on 443. | 19:06 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, most of the changes are there. It implies HTTPD support, but that has been in devstack for a while | 19:08 |
| dstanek | dolphm: are other projects hard coding that port? i'm assuming that devstack and tempest do | 19:08 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: and openstack-manuals and probably all the client projects | 19:09 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: list? | 19:09 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: now i can ping everyone in iRC | 19:09 |
| lbragstad | so if a change is submitted to purpose changing 35357 to 5002, we'll have to do a lot of updating. So, what would be the best short term fix until that happens or lands? | 19:09 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung, dolphm: just so you know when i manage to pass through the auth plugin stuff i fully intend to change the v3 client over to using the publicUrl rather than adminUrl | 19:10 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, it is so not Keystone team managed code that I am worried about | 19:10 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, dolphm OK...since the I2 pressure is off on revocation events, I am going to break up the review | 19:11 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: \o/ please please please | 19:11 |
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| ayoung | I think 3: | 19:11 |
| bknudson | ayoung: thank you | 19:11 |
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| ayoung | 1: the extensions stuff 2: Base revoke extension without ties to the other projects, and 3: linking in to the existing code and replacing the existing revocations | 19:11 |
| ayoung | there might be a couple other small patches, like the test fix | 19:12 |
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| jamielennox | lifeless: :) - as far as i know we are the only project that uses the admin port of a service catalog right? | 19:12 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I am far more concerned about v2/v3 interop | 19:13 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: only one we've hit | 19:13 |
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| jamielennox | lifeless: excellent, so when v2 API disappears in K we can deprecate the whole admin port concept | 19:13 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, in order to make that happen, we need an interop story. | 19:13 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: not if we don't have V2 API | 19:14 |
| ayoung | no | 19:14 |
| ayoung | we can't break things for people using V2 in the near future | 19:14 |
| ayoung | no big bangs | 19:14 |
| ayoung | we need to give them a way to port their code | 19:14 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i'm not looking to for now, just changing the v3 client to the public url because it is exactly the same for v3 | 19:14 |
| ayoung | and that means we need to have a way of finding both v2 and v3 endpoints out of the same service catalog, and for legacy clients | 19:15 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: and we have an actual private/public split then - as opposed to now where admin is what exactly? | 19:15 |
| ayoung | or have V3 be on a separate endopoint | 19:15 |
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| ayoung | which is a lousy option, too | 19:15 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: so i've been reconsidering the idea of putting version numbers into the service catalog as kind of a temporary fix to that | 19:16 |
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| dstanek | keystone devs: oslo's py3kcompat or six's six.moves.urllib? | 19:16 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: six | 19:16 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, its like the port thing...there are no purely "good" options | 19:17 |
| ayoung | they all suck in various ways | 19:17 |
| harlowja | dolphm ayoung would u guys want to do a little chit-chat with some folks who are interested in keystone at y!, they want to learn more, and although i can offer them some of it, u guys are really the best folks to ask keystone releated questions to (perhaps a short phone call sometime this or next week?); if that is fine with u of course, i think they are not comfortable getting up on IRC and all that... (yes, i don't know why, lol) | 19:17 |
| ayoung | OK...how does one go about splitting a patch? | 19:17 |
| jamielennox | dolphm, ayoung: if we could do a migration that looks through the existing service_catalog and tags the endpoints in there with the current version then we could smarten the service catalog to support multiple veresions or unversioned | 19:17 |
| ayoung | harlowja, can't even offer that to my company right now | 19:17 |
| harlowja | :( | 19:18 |
| ayoung | harlowja, I'm sorta crushed this week | 19:18 |
| harlowja | durn | 19:18 |
| harlowja | np | 19:18 |
| harlowja | maybe not this week, but sometime? | 19:18 |
| ayoung | get them on IRC | 19:18 |
| harlowja | ya, i know... | 19:18 |
| harlowja | i'll try | 19:18 |
| dolphm | harlowja: this week isn't good for anyone lol -- what kind of audience? | 19:18 |
| harlowja | some architects, and some devs, i think y! is trying to rework parts of its auth system internally, and i want to make sure they are aware of what keystone is already doing (and not rebuilt it...) | 19:19 |
| ayoung | harlowja, tell them my hourly rate for Keystone consulting is $1000K/hour | 19:19 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:19 |
| harlowja | sweet | 19:19 |
| ayoung | And can't be during normal businees hours, only between 1 and 3 AM | 19:19 |
| ayoung | Friday nights | 19:20 |
| harlowja | :) | 19:20 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i'll do it for half! | 19:20 |
| devoid | ayoung, now I understand the openstack business model. | 19:20 |
| ayoung | dstanek, shhh | 19:20 |
| ayoung | they will take you up on it | 19:20 |
| harlowja | let me bring in an expert, i know a guy who knows about consulting rates | 19:20 |
| ayoung | Mine just went up | 19:20 |
| harlowja | i've got to resell your consulting rates, so let me off 10$ | 19:20 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:20 |
| harlowja | *let me offer | 19:21 |
| dstanek | ayoung: the way i spit up patches in the past is just using interactive rebase and keep the original changeset-id on the first commit | 19:21 |
| dolphm | i'll do it for 25% and send dstanek and ayoung in my place (that's how this works, right?) | 19:21 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:21 |
| dstanek | lol | 19:21 |
| ayoung | dolphm, you still need to pay me $1000K+ per hour, so it would be a net loss for you | 19:21 |
| harlowja | $1000K is alot | 19:21 |
| ayoung | plus another $500/hour for dstanek | 19:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i didn't say i was going to pay you | 19:22 |
| harlowja | so ayoung u get 1000000 an hour and pay dstanek 500, lol | 19:22 |
| harlowja | seems off :-P | 19:22 |
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| harlowja | lol | 19:22 |
| harlowja | anyways, i'll try to get them on here, will see how that works out :-P | 19:23 |
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| ayoung | harlowja, yeah, or put together an email with their questions. | 19:24 |
| harlowja | kk | 19:24 |
| syed_armani | ayoung: hello | 19:24 |
| harlowja | thx guys | 19:24 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, if we change the existing endpoints we break old clients | 19:25 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: hmm? which part are you referring to | 19:26 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: admin -> public? | 19:26 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, if we chopped the /v2.0 off the url | 19:27 |
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| jamielennox | oh, right | 19:28 |
| jamielennox | yep | 19:28 |
| jamielennox | so that's kind of what i was thinking with adding a version information to it | 19:28 |
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| jamielennox | problem is the service catalog is a little unpredictable with multiple endpoints for the same service | 19:28 |
| ayoung | yep | 19:28 |
| ayoung | so if we made the v3 client smart enough to crawl the url if it is given a v2 url, we buy some time | 19:29 |
| syed_armani | ayoung: Here https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/db/sqlalchemy/session.py#L695, create_engine has mysql_traditional_mode=False..I am wondering if there is a way i can set it to true via keystone config so that i can enable mysql traditional mode ??? | 19:29 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: god i hate that solution | 19:29 |
| ayoung | and only if given a v2 url | 19:29 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, hate the person that got us into this situation, not the hack to get us out | 19:29 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: pointing fingers? | 19:30 |
| ayoung | absolutely | 19:30 |
| ayoung | still on the first envelope | 19:30 |
| jamielennox | i don't know who it would be - before my time | 19:30 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i just worry about us ever being able to get out of the situation where we interpret the url | 19:31 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that is why do don't do it for V3, only for V2.0 | 19:31 |
| dolphm | woo 4 patches in a row just gated | 19:31 |
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| ayoung | then when V2.0 goes away. we drop support | 19:31 |
| ayoung | http://www.notboring.com/jokes/work/3.htm | 19:31 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: maybe we should just define new endpoints in a new region | 19:35 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, nah | 19:35 |
| ayoung | identity is the good name | 19:35 |
| jamielennox | leave whatever the default was behind as poluted and start again | 19:35 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: not service, region | 19:35 |
| ayoung | ah... | 19:35 |
| ayoung | so a given user choses which region based on version number? | 19:36 |
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| jamielennox | i haven't thought this all the way through so i'm not sure if it will work | 19:36 |
| ayoung | nah | 19:36 |
| ayoung | won't woprk in a real deployment that is already using regions | 19:36 |
| ayoung | its a good thought, though | 19:36 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: we have heirarchical regions now | 19:36 |
| ayoung | I think hacking the URL is the way to go, and for...2 releases only | 19:37 |
| ayoung | once the v2 API is dead, we drop support for it | 19:37 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: does that allow for people to actually fix up their service catalog then | 19:41 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, yes | 19:41 |
| ayoung | they have /v2.0 in there, but can use v3 against it | 19:42 |
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| ayoung | once v2 is deprecated, and we have discover, they modify their service catalog to drop the v2 | 19:42 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: is it something we would need to allow other services to do? | 19:44 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: anyway - start by reviewing auth_plugin patches then because that is still the route to that fix | 19:44 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67785/ I have one sticking point, but i'm willing to reverse on it if we really want this in for I2. | 19:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I could see the other services wanting it, but it would be in their clients, not ours | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | all comments in line | 19:45 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: or like soon as there are priorities here | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | the status code comment is my sticking point. | 19:45 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: not once we get session fixed up it isn't | 19:46 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, status code? | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, HTTP status code. | 19:47 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: so i'm not sure what else to throw there | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it's returning 400 | 19:47 |
| jamielennox | i looked back at the API doc and i never defined out | 19:47 |
| jamielennox | out? one | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | for misconfiguration or inability to get them i'd say 500 is the right one | 19:47 |
| ayoung | should be 404 missing, no? | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | it would be either a misconfiguration or a legitimate can't get info. | 19:47 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, well... i could be behind that. | 19:47 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i'm really not a fan of 404 like that because the path is there | 19:47 |
| ayoung | not a 400 | 19:47 |
| jamielennox | it's some internal thing that's missing | 19:48 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but def. not 400 and 403 doesn't make sense either (as per gyee) | 19:48 |
| ayoung | no, the resource is missing, 404 is appropraite | 19:48 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, that would be ISE imo (500) if it's legitimately an internal error | 19:48 |
| ayoung | 404 | 19:48 |
| ayoung | it will make more sense with multiple certs | 19:48 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, 404 is acceptible, and makes sense. | 19:48 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, 500 make more sense actually | 19:49 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung sure /OS-SIMPLE-CERT/certificates/:id makes sense to throw a 404 | 19:49 |
| gyee | file not found is usually a misconfiguration | 19:49 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ++ | 19:49 |
| jamielennox | ayoung sure /OS-SIMPLE-CERT/certificates should be able to always return something even if it's empty | 19:49 |
| ayoung | an empty list is OK. | 19:49 |
| ayoung | 200 | 19:50 |
| ayoung | or 204 | 19:50 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i'd say 500 if you've configured the server in a way it can't respond. | 19:50 |
| gyee | no empty list | 19:50 |
| ayoung | without PKI, its 2XX | 19:50 |
| gyee | 500 for empty list | 19:50 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: well the part i'm not sure about is testing if we even need to retrieve certs | 19:50 |
| jamielennox | what happens if we use UUID tokens and call the /certificates? | 19:50 |
| ayoung | otherwise...put a check in at startup and refuse to start the keystone server | 19:51 |
| ayoung | 204 | 19:51 |
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| gyee | ayoung, I could pull the certs from LDAP instead of Keystone | 19:51 |
| morganfainberg | if a cert is expected, and cannot be retrieved it is 500. if there are no certs it would be 2XX | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | it's a question to if a cert is expected or there are no certs | 19:52 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, either way, the client has to know | 19:54 |
| gyee | so no 2xx response | 19:55 |
| gyee | Keystone has to let the client know one way or another that 1) PKI is enable and server is misconfigured, or2) PKI is disabled | 19:55 |
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| morganfainberg | nod. | 19:56 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: 501 Not Implemented? | 19:58 |
| jamielennox | The server either does not recognize the request method, or it lacks the ability to fulfill the request.[2] Usually this implies future availability (e.g., a new feature of a web-service API). | 19:58 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, but... it is implemented | 19:58 |
| jamielennox | no | 19:58 |
| jamielennox | i was going on the future availablility | 19:58 |
| jamielennox | i would prefer to distinguish from a basic 500 | 19:58 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, sometimes 500 is OK | 19:59 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung, gyee, morganfainberg, dolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68225/ | 20:02 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ++ looks good to me | 20:03 |
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| ayoung | +2 FILGTM | 20:04 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, 1 nit, but +2. | 20:04 |
| Tuna_ | (maybe stupid) question for one who knows rpc.matchmaker_ring OR oslo-incubator.openstack.rpc.matchmaker_ring -- | 20:04 |
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| Tuna_ | this type of matchmaker accepts a json file of your topic: [host, host] pairs | 20:04 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i can change it if it matters | 20:04 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, it's a nit | 20:04 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: yea, but i have instant review going here | 20:04 |
| Tuna_ | is that file auto generated OR used anywhere by another openstack component? | 20:04 |
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| jamielennox | it's not like i need to wait another 24 hours | 20:05 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i like it being more assertive, but you've communicated it clearly | 20:05 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, your call | 20:05 |
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| morganfainberg | i'd +2 in either case | 20:05 |
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| dolphm | documenting the 500 seems like overkill, but +500 | 20:05 |
| dolphm | +2 lol | 20:05 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: done | 20:05 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i have everything still open here already so it's not like it's a lot of work for a nit | 20:06 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, hehe | 20:06 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, +2 again | 20:06 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: the discussion before was specific to needing a 500 documented | 20:06 |
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| dolphm | i like the 204 *shrug* | 20:07 |
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| jamielennox | now i have to remember how to distinguish between uuid and pki tokens | 20:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55908/24/keystone/tests/test_v3_auth.py is there a reason the doSetup isn't part of the main setUp? i can see functionally based upon your changeset, i mean instead of new classes if that is required etc. | 20:07 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so do I. I'd rather not start Keystone than give a 500 | 20:07 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yes | 20:07 |
| ayoung | its a base class subclass problem | 20:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and if it's because of deadlines, thats is a fine answer | 20:08 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i don't think the extension should block starting keystone, if keystone in PKI mode wanted to fail because the certs weren't available that would be ok | 20:08 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, ++ | 20:08 |
| ayoung | what I meant | 20:08 |
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| ayoung | that is what I meant. | 20:08 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ok, i'll mark that as something else to unwind with the test conf files fix that i'll try and land post I2 gate ickyness | 20:09 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, thanks | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i have ~5 changesets backloged for cleaning up tests more. | 20:09 |
| jamielennox | final call anyone on the 500? | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | moving towards the parallel testing and calling load_backends exactly 1 time per test | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | food times | 20:11 |
| morganfainberg | bbib | 20:11 |
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| _cjones_ | food time ++ | 20:11 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: should i call into token.providers to check for UUID vs PKI tokens or just try to read it from CONF? | 20:13 |
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| gyee | jamlelennox, use token provider, token_format is deprecated | 20:13 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, not sure if 204 is appropriate, we need a way to let the client know to stop calling this API | 20:15 |
| gyee | if PKI is not enabled | 20:15 |
| bknudson | 403 forbidden | 20:15 |
| gyee | yeah | 20:15 |
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| jamielennox | ok, that can work | 20:17 |
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| ayoung | what if I upload the certs? | 20:17 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: upload? | 20:18 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I have a misconfigured Keystone, I forgot the certs...so I quickly run pki-setup | 20:19 |
| ayoung | or certmonger or whatever | 20:19 |
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| ayoung | 404 when they are missing, and 200 when they are there....lets not overcomplicate this | 20:19 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I split up the review. I made them all Drafts and added Keystone core on to them for now, to keep them from hammering the gate | 20:20 |
| dolphm | bknudson: so, 400 vs 403 regarding immutable attributes... | 20:20 |
| bknudson | ayoung: wonderful! | 20:20 |
| ayoung | I'll make them public once I've had a change to test them individually \ | 20:20 |
| ayoung | here's what I did: | 20:20 |
| dolphm | bknudson: the way i read the spec, we're both right and wrong -- correct me if i'm more wrong :P | 20:21 |
| ayoung | git checkout -b revocation-split | 20:21 |
| ayoung | git reset --soft HEAD~1 | 20:21 |
| dolphm | bknudson: 400 "The request could not be understood by the server due to malformed syntax. The client SHOULD NOT repeat the request without modifications." <-- the should not repeat without mods is really important, and why i chose a 400 | 20:21 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I agree it really doesn't matter | 20:21 |
| ayoung | git checkout HEAD keystone etc | 20:21 |
| bknudson | dolphm: since clients aren't going to have any different response to a 400 vs a 403 | 20:21 |
| bknudson | clients will need more information that the problem | 20:21 |
| ayoung | that got me all of the changes unstaged. For the files I wanted to then state it was simple. For the others, where I only needed some changes, it was keystone add -i --patch | 20:22 |
| dolphm | bknudson: 403 "The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it." true but "Authorization will not help and the request SHOULD NOT be repeated." it's not a question of authorization, which is what 403 really communicates | 20:22 |
| bknudson | dolphm: but if 400 is because of "malformed syntax" -- the syntax was fine. | 20:22 |
| ayoung | even then, I needed to resort to the 'e' for edit option and had to hand modify one of the patches because the changes were combined into a single chunk. | 20:22 |
| dolphm | bknudson: if you squint, then "syntax" just means the contents of the request, no? | 20:22 |
| ayoung | 404...resource is missing | 20:23 |
| bknudson | dolphm: so "malformed contents of the request" ? the contents aren't malformed. | 20:23 |
| bknudson | I guess I could keep squiting | 20:23 |
| dolphm | bknudson: but they are1 | 20:23 |
| ayoung | request is fine | 20:23 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yes, squint harder :) | 20:23 |
| dolphm | http is a very squinty spec | 20:24 |
| ayoung | look, if we decided to use a different extension, and get the certs from somewhere else, then the missing certs here are OK | 20:24 |
| gyee | haha | 20:24 |
| ayoung | 404 | 20:24 |
| bknudson | dolphm: ok, as I said the status code is used for all sorts of errors and the client isn't going to know one way or the other what to do anyways | 20:24 |
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| gyee | dolphm, like the squinty spec part | 20:24 |
| bknudson | so we could return 400 for everything and be good | 20:24 |
| ayoung | or if they decide they want to distribute the certs with Puppet instead | 20:24 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: (we can also refine error codes later, fwiw) | 20:24 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: as an end user though, if you give me a 400 i'm going to look at rewriting my request body | 20:25 |
| ayoung | bknudson, does https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68232/1 really need a test? | 20:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: and if you give me a 403, i'm going to check my authentication | 20:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: or keystone's policy | 20:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: neither of which would help me here | 20:25 |
| bknudson | dolphm: why would you check authentication for 403? 403 says authentication will not help. | 20:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: because the spec is poorly written and you have to squint | 20:26 |
| dolphm | bknudson: the spirit of 403 is "you're not authorized to do that right now" | 20:26 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: is there code that's not touched by the tests? if so, how do we know it's even valid python? | 20:26 |
| ayoung | nah...I broken the versions page test was updated, and I put it in the wrong commit | 20:27 |
| jamielennox | off topic: pip is terrible and broken | 20:27 |
| bknudson | dolphm: the spirit of 400 is that the JSON couldn't be parsed | 20:28 |
| dolphm | bknudson: how much do you prefer 403 over 400? i'm leaning like 80% 400 but willing to switch | 20:28 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I'm fine with 400. | 20:28 |
| ayoung | 404 | 20:28 |
| ayoung | 403 is better than 400 | 20:28 |
| gyee | jamielennox, agreed very much! | 20:28 |
| dolphm | bknudson: alright, putting a patchset up with everything else fixed | 20:28 |
| ayoung | 400 is just wrong | 20:28 |
| Alexei_987 | Could someone check this patch for global-requirements? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65863/ | 20:29 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: i think you were right on your original spelling here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66719/ | 20:30 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: sounds good, I'll respin | 20:30 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: you may want to slightly rephrase though... | 20:32 |
| dstanek | trying to come up with something... | 20:32 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek: any particular past that sounds off to you? | 20:33 |
| lbragstad | s/past/part/ | 20:33 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: maybe it would be sufficient just to say (immutable resource - no ``updated`` notification) | 20:35 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ayoung: so we can discuss / review / land separately https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68259/ | 20:36 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: i'd be OK with whatever you decide | 20:36 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: ok, I'll push something up and ping ya | 20:36 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: thx | 20:36 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ayoung: i'm more worried about landing the rest of the patch :) | 20:36 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: i like having the 403 over 400 in that case | 20:40 |
| dolphm | dstanek: add you three to the review then | 20:41 |
| dolphm | dstanek: i really don't want to kill the check job on identity-providers again :( | 20:41 |
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| dstanek | so...what are the rules regarding copyright? at the hackathon i remember someone mentioning that we shouldn't be assigning copyright to the OpenStack Foundation | 20:44 |
| dstanek | should i start having people remove those lines in new files? | 20:44 |
| jamielennox | sorry tuned out with some pip issue and implementation, was there a concensus on errors? | 20:45 |
| jamielennox | dolphm, ayoung, morganfainberg: ^ | 20:45 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: which error conversation? ;) | 20:45 |
| jamielennox | i really don't care i just want it to be standardized | 20:45 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: for OS-SIMPLE-CERT | 20:45 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66719/9/doc/source/event_notifications.rst | 20:46 |
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| jamielennox | what do we return if we use UUID tokens and what do we return if we use PKI tokens but the certs aren't availabel | 20:46 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: why would you include this extension in your pipeline if you're deploying with UUID? | 20:47 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: it's included by default | 20:48 |
| jamielennox | i don't know why you would ever hit it | 20:48 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: you lost me -- why is a new extension going to be included by default, for starters? | 20:49 |
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| jamielennox | well, it's there because we need it for the standard auth_token case and at least for devstack | 20:50 |
| jamielennox | are we not allowed to have extensions on by default nay more? | 20:50 |
| lifeless | many extensions are on by default in nova | 20:50 |
| lifeless | they can be disabled | 20:50 |
| lifeless | defaults should be what we recommend | 20:51 |
| lifeless | IMNSHO | 20:51 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: keystone has a number on by default as well | 20:51 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: the ability to download certs is there in V2 API and relied upon by auth_token middleware | 20:51 |
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| jamielennox | it becomes difficult to convert auth_token to v3 if we can't do that same download | 20:52 |
| jamielennox | in production you should use puppet or whatever - but i don't know if we tell many people that | 20:52 |
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| jamielennox | enabled by default would make sense to me | 20:52 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ayoung was on a mission to do disabled by default -- i'm fine with on by default if it's used by core openstack by default | 20:52 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i think we need this one | 20:53 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, ayoung, dstanek, marekd|away, please review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/22 one more time | 20:55 |
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| ayoung | LGTM | 20:58 |
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| dolphm | (but don't approve yet) | 21:00 |
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| russellb | devananda: what do you mean by asymmetric | 21:04 |
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| devananda | russellb: what mordred means by it -- taht the project check/gate pipes include the test, but that other projects it depends on *do not* | 21:04 |
| devananda | russellb: that includes devstack/devstack-gate/tempest | 21:04 |
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| devananda | russellb: see for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65845/ | 21:05 |
| russellb | OK, tried to incorporate that in words | 21:05 |
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| devananda | russellb: which is moving ironic's tempest tests out of the experimental pipe, and into ironic's check/gate pipes with voting, but into devstack & tempest check/gate pipes as NON-voting | 21:06 |
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| devananda | it's in their pipes so we can see when changes in tempest break ironic's tests, but it won't affect reviews of tempest | 21:06 |
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| devananda | russellb: clarkb sat down with me in LCA to explain this. it's taken several discussions fo rme to feel like i understand it .... | 21:07 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm, morganfainberg, ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68225/3 | 21:10 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox. hm. ok | 21:10 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i think i missed some of the convo, but that seems sane | 21:10 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: was there a conversation to prefer 403 over 204? | 21:11 |
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| jamielennox | gyee didn't like 204 | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yeah, that it tells clients to go away and stop asking | 21:11 |
| dolphm | fair enough | 21:12 |
| jamielennox | i didn't get much of a sense of any resolution from the convo | 21:12 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, 204 implies something might be here later | 21:12 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: makes sense | 21:12 |
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| jamielennox | i don't want to use 404, i need that to know whether the extension is available or not | 21:12 |
| jamielennox | i think 500 is appropriate for server side failure | 21:13 |
| jamielennox | but at no point has this mattered all that much - we just need to standardize it | 21:13 |
| marekd|away | dolphm: bknudson is warming up with his comments for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/ - i can handle this now. | 21:13 |
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| dolphm | marekd|away: if they're just nits, i'd like to fix them in a separate patch rather than restart progress towards gating | 21:14 |
| bknudson | marekd: yes, take a look and if they can be made in separate patches then I'm fine with that. | 21:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: anything blocking in there? | 21:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: slash, anything api impacting? | 21:14 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I looked through them and I think they can be done in a separate patch. | 21:16 |
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| marekd | dolphm: bknudson: so you want to merge this in the current state, and later add another patch that will clean everything bknudson didn't like? | 21:19 |
| bknudson | marekd: you can add the patches or someone else can. | 21:19 |
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| dolphm | markmc: ++ | 21:20 |
| marekd | bknudson: yes, but are you fine with merging the code with current patchset or fixes are crucial? | 21:21 |
| dolphm | marekd: ++ (my bad markmc) | 21:21 |
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| bknudson | marekd: the comments aren't critical IMO | 21:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: publish all your draft reviews | 21:22 |
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| bknudson | marekd: apparently https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/ is failing. | 21:23 |
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| bknudson | marekd: failing py26,py27 | 21:24 |
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| bknudson | marekd: oops, I'm looking at the wrong job. | 21:24 |
| sdague | david-lyle: hey, taking the stable/havana thing over here | 21:25 |
| bknudson | for some reason 18 is still around. | 21:25 |
| sdague | can you see if yuo have any more stable changes in the gate? | 21:25 |
| sdague | I thought we caught them all, but we could have missed some | 21:25 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, will do once I run the unit tests for them. Don't want to be posting broken reviews | 21:25 |
| david-lyle | sdague, will look | 21:25 |
| sdague | david-lyle: thank yuo | 21:25 |
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| jamielennox | dstanek: i really like having ./run_tests.sh back | 21:26 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: mark as WIP instead of Draft | 21:27 |
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| ayoung | WTH is the publish draft button now? | 21:29 |
| jamielennox | simple-cert implementation patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67785/ i'm not sure how long a gerrit check is expected to take at the moment | 21:30 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, top of check queue has been in there for ~2h43min | 21:32 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, i think it makes patches go from draft to normal? | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, correct | 21:33 |
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| stevemar | dstanek, you have an itchy approval trigger finger today | 21:34 |
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| dstanek | stevemar: yes, i just told dolphm the same things | 21:35 |
| dstanek | i think i'm going to make a greasemonkey script for this :-) | 21:36 |
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| stevemar | approve, no really approve | 21:36 |
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| dstanek | looks like a bunch of stuff got merged today | 21:38 |
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| morganfainberg | yay | 21:39 |
| henrynash | dolphm: see if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67256/ looks Ok to you now…I have answered Haneef's question, but waiting for him to remove -1 | 21:39 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, for some reason the publish button was missing | 21:49 |
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| haneef_ | henrynash: ping | 21:56 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, do you want me to help go through and do the rebases for the chain that includes dont configure on import? | 21:57 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, the don't configure on import fix solves a bug w/ caching layer | 21:58 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, running the last of the tests now, but the main revoke extension patch is now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68235/ | 21:59 |
| henrynash | haneef_: hi | 21:59 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, oh. nvm | 21:59 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: rebase on what? | 21:59 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, not rebase | 21:59 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, just gate fail... ugh | 21:59 |
| morganfainberg | i need more coffee :( | 21:59 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, already reverfiied | 21:59 |
| morganfainberg | it's just chilling in the gate queue | 21:59 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: this is why you never split up commits | 21:59 |
| haneef_ | henrynash: If we are limiting, then there is no way for the client to get the remaining result. Is that acceptable? | 21:59 |
| bknudson | should just squash them. | 22:00 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, lol | 22:00 |
| henrynash | haneef_: they are meant to use filtering to ask for smaller data set | 22:00 |
| david-lyle | sdague: I don't see any others | 22:00 |
| bknudson | one big commit -- keystone icehouse m2 | 22:00 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, nah, keystone Icehouse | 22:00 |
| morganfainberg | nothing else needed, amirite? | 22:00 |
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| morganfainberg | who needs milestones | 22:00 |
| ayoung | we should havea weekly milestone | 22:01 |
| ayoung | call it the PTL branch | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think hourly | 22:01 |
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| ayoung | PTL promotes weekly to be interim | 22:01 |
| bknudson | we might get one patch into each milestone | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, hehe | 22:01 |
| ayoung | I'm serious | 22:01 |
| haneef_ | henrynash: We are assuming that there exits a restricted filter which will satisfy the criteria. If not what will happen | 22:01 |
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| ayoung | we don't test against all of the other dev branches, only their last stable milestone | 22:02 |
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| ayoung | if a team breaks something, all code stops until they fix it | 22:02 |
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| ayoung | longer discussion than we should have now, though | 22:02 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, not sure if that would make things better or worse. | 22:02 |
| henrynash | haneef_: so it's up to an implementor…if they are concerned about poorly scoped queries from loading down the system then they can limit…it's optional, and there is none by default | 22:02 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or have any real impact. | 22:02 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yes, discussion later | 22:03 |
| haneef_ | ok. I will add that in the review and remove -1 | 22:03 |
| sdague | david-lyle: thanks | 22:03 |
| henrynash | haneef_: there are many systems that, if you ask for too much data, it just says "too big, try again" | 22:03 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, or "don't try again" in some cases. | 22:04 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: excellent next step.... | 22:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK, revocation is all up there again in multiple patches | 22:04 |
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| ayoung | All open for public review | 22:04 |
| henrynash | haneef_: thanks | 22:05 |
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| gyee | henrynash, in that case, your proposal still won't work right? | 22:06 |
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| gyee | LDAP still going to throw you an error if you are asking too many entries | 22:06 |
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| ayoung | can someone do the honors on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67785/ | 22:07 |
| gyee | ayoung, looking | 22:08 |
| ayoung | we can hold off on approval until its passed check | 22:08 |
| morganfainberg | yes, please hold approval till post check | 22:08 |
| morganfainberg | and i'm looking as well | 22:08 |
| ayoung | but if we have 2 +2s now we can include it in I2 | 22:08 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung: Why does keystone appear to use v2.0/tokens, when I specifically requested the v3 API? | 22:09 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, you lie | 22:10 |
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| ayoung | :_{) | 22:10 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung: I assure you kind sir, I don't on purpose. | 22:10 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, using the client or via curl? | 22:11 |
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| _cjones_ | Via horizon. | 22:11 |
| _cjones_ | (access): 2014-01-21 14:08:58,533 INFO core __call__ 172.16.0.254 - - [21/Jan/2014:22:08:58 +0000] "GET http://172.16.0.201:5000/v3/users HTTP/1.0" 401 193 | 22:11 |
| _cjones_ | (eventlet.wsgi.server): 2014-01-21 14:08:58,534 INFO log write 172.16.0.254 - - [21/Jan/2014 14:08:58] "GET /v3/users HTTP/1.1" 401 415 0.004771 | 22:11 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, that is the users url | 22:12 |
| ayoung | doesn't show where it requested the token | 22:12 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, sec. | 22:12 |
| _cjones_ | access): 2014-01-21 14:08:59,092 INFO core __call__ 172.16.0.201 - - [21/Jan/2014:22:08:59 +0000] "GET http://172.16.0.201:35357/v2.0/tokens/c85fd4e00b85ac8037b7e62023d1b41f HTTP/1.0" 200 3076 | 22:13 |
| _cjones_ | (eventlet.wsgi.server): 2014-01-21 14:08:59,093 INFO log write 172.16.0.201 - - [21/Jan/2014 14:08:59] "GET /v2.0/tokens/c85fd4e00b85ac8037b7e62023d1b41f HTTP/1.1" 200 3206 0.103196 | 22:13 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, I'm confused as to why there seems to be a mis-match v3 for users, but v2.0 for tokens. | 22:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm, why is zuul not picking up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68232/ | 22:13 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, ask the horizonators | 22:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68235/3/keystone/contrib/revoke/core.py whitespace issues will fail pep8 | 22:14 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, thanks | 22:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung still doing review so i'll tag it w/ a comment | 22:14 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, k. thanks. | 22:15 |
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| jpich | _cjones_: This may be related to what you're seeing: until recently Horizon would sometimes fall back to 2.0 and sometimes to 3 if the keystone version wasn't explicitly defined in the local settings (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1231357 ) | 22:18 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, are there tests missing from your revocation patch? | 22:19 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or slated for another patch | 22:19 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, test_revoke.py | 22:19 |
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| morganfainberg | right, very sparse | 22:19 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, more in the follow on | 22:19 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 22:19 |
| ayoung | base extension doesn't do much | 22:20 |
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| _cjones_ | jpich: Thanks, I'm looking at something similar in this domain. | 22:20 |
| ayoung | The logic for testing if a token is revoked it tested more in the integration patch | 22:20 |
| _cjones_ | jpich: If this has been captured in a separate issue, I think I can proceed with my proposed change. | 22:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sure. | 22:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, just was curious | 22:21 |
| ayoung | And since the values are "normalized" between a v2 and a v3 token, the testing here would be trivial | 22:21 |
| morganfainberg | nod | 22:21 |
| ayoung | why is zuul not picking up my new patches for check? | 22:22 |
| ayoung | Or Jenkins or whomever | 22:22 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, event backlog | 22:22 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, Queue lengths: 1399 events, 61 results. | 22:22 |
| ayoung | But they are not even showing in the queue | 22:22 |
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| morganfainberg | those are unprocessed events/results | 22:22 |
| ayoung | where do you see that? | 22:22 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, top left above "check" on status.openstack.org/zuul/ | 22:23 |
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| morganfainberg | next to "filter projects" box | 22:23 |
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| jpich | _cjones_: Cool! The workaround if the patch isn't available in your system would be to set the version explicitly | 22:23 |
| _cjones_ | jpich: Odd. I have that fix. | 22:23 |
| jpich | :/ | 22:23 |
| _cjones_ | jpich: I also set it explicitly. :) | 22:23 |
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| ayoung | OK...so what needs attention? I have 5 minutes until my next meeting | 22:24 |
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| jpich | _cjones_: Oh! Maybe you have another bug for Horizon then, please feel free to open a new report | 22:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, not sure. i'm about needing to go jump to internal stuff (been about 50% split today) as well. | 22:24 |
| _cjones_ | jpich: Will do when I'm done this bit. | 22:24 |
| jpich | _cjones_: Thank you! | 22:24 |
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| ayoung | time to drive home | 22:26 |
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| jamielennox | gyee, ayoung, morganfainberg: Fix that comment in a separate review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68273 so I don't yank it from the jenkins queue | 22:35 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, looking | 22:35 |
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| jamielennox | i might have sent that message already but i had vpn issues and i think it got lost | 22:35 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, change looks good, hope Jenkins agree with you today :) | 22:36 |
| jamielennox | gyee: are there jenkins gods or is jenkins the god? | 22:37 |
| gyee | jamielennox, heh, maybe the ppl who have root access to the Jeninks nodes? | 22:38 |
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| dtroyer | jamielennox: got a sec? I am _finally_ trying to wrap my head around the session/auth bits in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60751/ and friends…and trying to make OSC use it directly... | 22:46 |
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| henrynash | gyee: I posted a comment to the list limiting api change….I think there really is a difference between limiting and pagination…and we should keep these separate | 22:47 |
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| gyee | henrynash, I am about to response, I am not sure if I understand the reasoning | 22:48 |
| gyee | If client is asking server for too much data, shouldn't the server be returning a 400 and telling the client to try again with a more refined query? Again, what is the client going to do with a 'truncated' attribute. From end user experience angle, the net effect is the same, which is to refine the search query and retry. | 22:48 |
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| jamielennox | dtroyer: actually in a meeting but i would like to talk to you about it - will you still be here in about 40min? | 22:48 |
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| dtroyer | yes | 22:49 |
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| henrynash | gyee: so I agree there are two options if you get too much data…and the systems out there seem to be split…some will return the amount of data it can with an indicator that this is a subset….other give you nothing (your 400 example) | 22:49 |
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| henrynash | gyee: the argument for returning some data is that display a page of data in a client as a clue to what to filter on is probably a nicer experience…. | 22:50 |
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| henrynash | gyee: but you want to tell the user in that case that this is indeed a subet | 22:50 |
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| gyee | henrynash, why not use the 'next' link | 22:51 |
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| gyee | client is asking for 100 entries, server return 50 with the next link populated | 22:52 |
| henrynash | gyee: so, that was one proposal…the concern raised by others is that we have already said that this is a url to another page of data (i.e. it really is for pagination)…and we'd have to go back on that definition (not backward comaptable, in the eyes of Dolphm and others) | 22:52 |
| gyee | that would be an indication of more data to come | 22:52 |
| henrynash | gyee: that's pagination | 22:52 |
| gyee | it is :) | 22:52 |
| gyee | lets fix pagination | 22:52 |
| henrynash | gyee: there are many (in Horizon) who believe we should not do pagination at all….good filtering and limiting is all you need | 22:53 |
| gyee | instead of doing half-baked changes | 22:53 |
| gyee | pagination is still needed | 22:53 |
| henrynash | gyee: that's not a view held by all | 22:54 |
| gyee | if an implementation doesn't support pagination, return a 400 | 22:54 |
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| gyee | fact is pagination is still useful, despite all the noise | 22:55 |
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| henrynash | gyee: returning no data (and a 400) is the other consistent approach, although so is the current one! Most people preferred the current one. | 22:55 |
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| gyee | henrynash, I'd prefer 400 if the system is incapable of support pagination | 22:56 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, eh, lets return a 410 for pagination | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | sorry | 22:58 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, 402 | 22:58 |
| gyee | that's fine | 22:59 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, payment required. pay us and we'll implement it :P | 22:59 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, ++ | 22:59 |
| gyee | or do it as an extension | 22:59 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, eh. | 22:59 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, i would really rather not implement pagination. | 23:00 |
| morganfainberg | at all | 23:00 |
| morganfainberg | personal preference | 23:00 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, I made my case here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pagination | 23:01 |
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| zzelle | gyee, morganfainberg returning 501 would be feet ? | 23:03 |
| zzelle | *would feet | 23:03 |
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| gyee | zzelle, why not 400 | 23:04 |
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| zzelle | it depends of the interface | 23:04 |
| henrynash | gyee: so we had a long debate about this at the Hackathan, and agreed that we were definitely not doing pagination yet, but limiting was still good in its own right…people felt we should return data rather than none, and indicate that this was a subset (we thought 203 at the time, or something in the collection) | 23:05 |
| henrynash | gyee: we all agree 203 is not right | 23:05 |
| zzelle | gyee: if pagination isallowed in the interface ? it's a 501 otherwise i would say 400 | 23:06 |
| zzelle | gree | 23:06 |
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| gyee | zzelle, 501 sounds reasonable | 23:06 |
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| gyee | henrynash, I feel like we are going extra miles to dance around pagination | 23:08 |
| gyee | lets fix pagination | 23:08 |
| henrynash | gyee: that;s a much long debate. meanwhile we need a way for server deployers to protect the load on their system,s | 23:09 |
| zzelle | gyee, me too if pagination is considered as a standard feature provided by openstack | 23:09 |
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| gyee | henrynash, let do pagination as an extension and let our users vote on it | 23:10 |
| henrynash | zzelle, gyee: pagination is not agreed for icehouse, limiting is | 23:10 |
| gyee | we don't too much debating already | 23:10 |
| gyee | s/don't/done/ | 23:10 |
| henrynash | gyee: I agree with pagination as an extension, but that is not a replacement | 23:10 |
| gyee | henrynash, that's not how I understood the limiting proposal | 23:11 |
| gyee | it something that is internal to Keystone implementation, no API changes | 23:11 |
| henrynash | gyee: well that's true apart from tell the user what's happend | 23:12 |
| gyee | return 400 if Keystone can satisfy the query, simple | 23:12 |
| gyee | can't | 23:12 |
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| henrynash | gyee: That's a big change form what we all agreed last week | 23:13 |
| henrynash | gyee: easy to code, but the fact that there's no data returned | 23:13 |
| gyee | henrynash, easy to code, but the rest of us have to maintain API-compatibility :) | 23:13 |
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| henrynash | ghee: why is the proposal API incompatible? | 23:14 |
| henrynash | gyee: and returning a 400 is an API change... | 23:15 |
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| gyee | henrynash, means we have to account for the "truncated" attribute in our public APIs, docs, examples, the whole 9 yard | 23:16 |
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| gyee | if you do this as an extension, we can just publish a one line disclaimer | 23:17 |
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| henrynash | gyee: no, I really don't want this as an extensions (limiting that is)…it's already optional and off by default. | 23:18 |
| gyee | 400 is common for anything the server doesn't like | 23:18 |
| henrynash | dolphm, bknudson, morganfainberg: what so we think about this suggestion…to not return any data in the case of a list response being too big | 23:19 |
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| henrynash | dolphm, bknudson, morganfainberg, ghee: one issue is that it won't be obvious to the client why the server rejected it | 23:19 |
| gyee | henrynash, in a lot of cases, you probably won't know until you talk to the backend anyway | 23:19 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i thought we rejected that concept at the hackathon | 23:19 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, for that very reason | 23:20 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: we did | 23:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: changing from a 2xx to a 4xx is backwards incompatible | 23:20 |
| morganfainberg | and, ^ what dolphm said | 23:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: 2xx to 2xx is fair game, and 4xx to 4xx is fair game, etc | 23:20 |
| gyee | dolphm, if client is asking for something the server can't support, we can't just return a 2xx | 23:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: is this in regard to truncated collections? | 23:21 |
| gyee | yes | 23:21 |
| henrynash | gyee: the issue is that it is providing some of what it asked for…but not all | 23:21 |
| gyee | henrynash, isn't this classic *pagination*? | 23:21 |
| henrynash | gyee: pagination is driven by the needs the clientm, list limiting is driven by the needs of the server | 23:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: not really | 23:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: it's a step toward pagination, but not providing pagination | 23:22 |
| dolphm | i'm fine with a 2xx, new attribute in the response ("truncated"=true) or creative use of headers | 23:23 |
| gyee | client asking for 1000, server can choose to return any number between 1 and 1000 with the next link if there are more than 1000 entries | 23:23 |
| dolphm | gyee: the client is not asking for a specific number, nor is the client allowed to do so | 23:24 |
| morganfainberg | gyee the case is client asks for all, server gives back 1000 because > 1000 would be returned | 23:24 |
| dolphm | henrynash: you could return a "next" link that always returns 4xx lol | 23:24 |
| gyee | use the "next" | 23:24 |
| dolphm | gyee: "next" is defined to be a URL, that's the only constraint there | 23:24 |
| gyee | dolphm, yes? | 23:25 |
| gyee | that's what next is for | 23:25 |
| dolphm | gyee: (the proposal earlier was to return an arbitrary string as the value instead of a URL) | 23:25 |
| dolphm | gyee: what do you return a link to? | 23:25 |
| henrynash | ghee, dolphm: I'm open to using the next link (that was the previous version)….but what do we set 'next' to? | 23:25 |
| gyee | its implementation-specific at this point :) | 23:26 |
| gyee | as long as it is a URl | 23:26 |
| dolphm | gyee: to what? | 23:26 |
| henrynash | gyee: then how does a client know they didn't get all the data? | 23:26 |
| gyee | henrynash, the presence of next indicates there are more data to come | 23:26 |
| dolphm | gyee: there is no more data to come -- the collection has been truncated | 23:26 |
| gyee | dolphm, next=http://myserver:port/v3/users?<my pagination stuff> | 23:27 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, he's advocating to amke this into pagination | 23:27 |
| morganfainberg | vs. a hard limit | 23:27 |
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| gyee | next and prev are in the spec and they are implementation-specific | 23:27 |
| henrynash | gyee: so the we'd tell clients, if there was more data (that we can't tell you about unless you give me a better query) then they 'next' link will exist….but don't follow it? | 23:28 |
| dolphm | gyee: ++ but what do we do in core openstack? | 23:28 |
| gyee | henrynash, the presence of next indicates more data, it is up to the user to decide what to do next | 23:28 |
| gyee | no different than a google search | 23:29 |
| dolphm | gyee: /facepalm | 23:29 |
| dolphm | gyee: there is NO more data. you're either misunderstanding or ignoring the issue | 23:29 |
| dolphm | gyee: the client must issue a NEW construct a new request to get something new | 23:29 |
| gyee | no more data? | 23:29 |
| dolphm | gyee: the collection has been, let's say, fatally truncated | 23:30 |
| dolphm | gyee: as determined by the service/deployer | 23:30 |
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| dolphm | gyee: the client is not in error, the response was successful, the service just needs to hint to the client that the results are incomoplete | 23:31 |
| morganfainberg | flaper87, mind if we hold off on the cache discussion until I2 is a little more settled? | 23:31 |
| morganfainberg | flaper87, i think it's going to be a bit crazy for the next couple days. | 23:31 |
| flaper87 | morganfainberg: sounds good. I don't think any patches will be landing anytime soon besides the ones fixing the gate | 23:32 |
| flaper87 | so, that's ok | 23:32 |
| morganfainberg | flaper87, exactly | 23:32 |
| morganfainberg | flaper87, :) | 23:32 |
| gyee | dolphm, how is the response successful if you don't satisfy the entire query | 23:32 |
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| henrynash | gyee: it's as successful as the server/deployer will allow | 23:34 |
| dolphm | gyee: the server satisfied the query to the best of it's ability, and returned useful data | 23:34 |
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| dolphm | flaper87: ++++++ | 23:35 |
| flaper87 | :) | 23:35 |
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| gyee | dolphm, userful data is debatable | 23:37 |
| haneef_ | dolphm: The question is, if the client is not happy with the truncated data what should he do? Assume the query is already restricted. | 23:37 |
| dolphm | we should just start rebasing all features on top of gate-fixing patches | 23:37 |
| gyee | do we have backend implementations which allows partial success? | 23:38 |
| gyee | just curious | 23:38 |
| dolphm | gyee: haneef_: issue a new query with filters. that's the whole point. | 23:38 |
| dolphm | gyee: that's what henry's patch introduces | 23:38 |
| dolphm | gyee: did you not review it? | 23:39 |
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| gyee | dolphm, but you won't know till you hit the backend | 23:39 |
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| gyee | dolphm, I mean backend impl | 23:39 |
| henrynash | haneef_: and of course a server/deploy could overly restrict their limits to make querying hard…but that's their pergoative | 23:39 |
| dolphm | gyee: again, did you review henry's patch? the backend won't sit around all day fetching a billion projects | 23:40 |
| gyee | dolphm, not the code, just the spec so far | 23:40 |
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| henrynash | gyee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44836/23 | 23:41 |
| haneef_ | henrynash: If instead of truncated, if the server throws exception saying restrict the query, won't it help. What is the point in sending half of data , if we want the client to issue different query with more filters | 23:41 |
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| gyee | haneef_, apparently to help client make better decisions :) | 23:41 |
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| henrynash | haneef_: so there are different UI approaches out there in the industry…some display what data it can, saying use this to work out a better filter (and looking at the data can help)….others display nothing | 23:42 |
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| dolphm | and i don't think anyone has a use case for the "all or nothing" approach | 23:43 |
| henrynash | haneef_: we shouldn't prejudge what they;ll do….but ideally allow them to do either | 23:43 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: hey, sorry about that | 23:44 |
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| dtroyer | jamielennox: np | 23:44 |
| jamielennox | so i think it's a bit cleaner now i split up the patch - does the layout generally make sense to you? I know Alexei_987 has some opinions here | 23:45 |
| henrynash | haneef_: ..and with the current proposal they can do either…. | 23:45 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: your last comment cleared it up for me a lot…the unit of auth I carry between API clients seems to be a session, right? I've had auth_ref in my head for a long time... | 23:46 |
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| gyee | henrynash, dolphm, LDAP won't even bother to return anything I think, it will return you a nice search limit exceeded error | 23:46 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: yes, the whole session object is taken from client to client and auth is therefore inherently transfered | 23:46 |
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| dolphm | gyee: clients can specify limits as well | 23:47 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: this means that we take along transport level details which are most likely the same for all the services anyway | 23:47 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: right. but the service catalog is in the identity client, so I need to extract that to take along too | 23:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: which is what we're talking about here | 23:47 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: ahh, no - the service catalog is part of the token so it is going to move with the auth plugin | 23:47 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: agreed on the transport… I'll need multiple sesisons to do multiple sets of creds at once, that's what took me a while to get | 23:47 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: you mean a client of LDAP, rather than a client of openstack I think? | 23:47 |
| dolphm | henrynash: correct | 23:48 |
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| jamielennox | dtroyer: if you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60752/ it shows an example of how i want to work with the service catalog | 23:48 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i think gyee's comment applies more to LDAP-server defined hard limits | 23:48 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: well it shows the implementation but without any tests and dependant on merging all the auth plugin stuff | 23:48 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: ok, HTTPClient has a property method for it... | 23:48 |
| dtroyer | that threw me then | 23:49 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: yep but that will be deprecated with so much else | 23:49 |
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| dtroyer | cool…I hadn't seen 60752 yet… at a glance that helps too | 23:49 |
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| dtroyer | jamielennox: one of the things I want to get out of this is a version that doesn't have the compatibility cruft in it | 23:50 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: essentially a client should need to know nothing except the service_type, endpoint_type and endpoint_version that it requires (which will be static for a client) and the session will do the rest | 23:50 |
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| jamielennox | dtroyer: ++ | 23:50 |
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| jamielennox | dtroyer: so essentially all a client should need to be is defined in baseclient: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60751/8/keystoneclient/baseclient.py | 23:51 |
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| dtroyer | jamielennox: I'm doing a POC of that now too… in OSC the object-store commands don't have a lib API so it's all from scratch, that's where I want to work this out | 23:51 |
| jamielennox | all that provides is an interface for managers to talk through | 23:52 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: and there's the other thing I'm trying, no managers, no resources. I don't think we need them at the low-level API | 23:52 |
| dtroyer | OSC doesn't, but an app developer might, so they can sit on top | 23:53 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: i'm very interested in that - but i'm currently trying to see what i can get working with current clients | 23:53 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: this whole ML thread of a common client is a PITA really | 23:53 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: right… that too... | 23:53 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: that's one reason I'm doing this in OSC, no backward-compatibility issues | 23:53 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: so i'm of the opinion in all of this that we should look to layer our approach | 23:54 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: theres an etherpad you should see... | 23:54 |
| jamielennox | the fact that we have keystoneclient.v3.client which directly reflects the V3 api is not a problem - it's correct - it's just lower level than most people would want to use | 23:54 |
| jamielennox | anyone who is interested in developing a version independant client can (and should) which backs on to something that reflects the API | 23:55 |
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| dtroyer | jamielennox: exactly | 23:56 |
| jamielennox | i also extract from there that if you want to do a unified client then you should that works with all those other clients | 23:56 |
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| jamielennox | that sucks currently because the clients are in disarray and you don't need to convince me that pip sucks | 23:57 |
| dtroyer | don't think that consolidated object APIs isn't in our future….it's just a SMOP | 23:57 |
| jamielennox | agreed, there was a post there that someone was going to start something - but someone is always starting something in openstack | 23:58 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: so I need to run in a minute…grabbing the SC out of the session's auth_ref is the Right Thing then? I'll head down that path. | 23:58 |
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| dtroyer | jamielennox: Jesse Noller is working in that direction…he wants the whole SDK though so that's why we're layering it | 23:59 |
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| jamielennox | dtroyer: if you need the SC directly then yes. I made auth_ref a public attribute on purpose on those plugins (but be warned not everything is going to be a keystone plugin thus have an auth_ref) | 23:59 |
| henrynash | gyee: are you any closer to seeing the other side of this debate? | 23:59 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: i had in mind though that most services would not need that | 23:59 |
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