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| jamielennox | bknudson: i'm not sure what to do with the logging: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62545/3/keystoneclient/httpclient.py | 01:18 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: I know, it's just a WTF. | 01:19 |
| jamielennox | it is a problem of keystoneclient having been treated as a CLI for so long | 01:19 |
| jamielennox | it makes sense in the shell but it's stupid to affect logging from a client library | 01:19 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: really seems like we should be able to set the logging for 'keystoneclient' and then all the child loggers get it automatically | 01:19 |
| jamielennox | i'm pretty sure i broke it before anyway | 01:20 |
| bknudson | and the application should be setting up the logging instead of the library itself. | 01:20 |
| bknudson | (unless the library is asked to set it up) | 01:20 |
| jamielennox | well it's not just keystoneclient, it is force setting the requests logging level as well | 01:20 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I'm OK with just writing some documentation that this is wrong and need to come back and clean it up. | 01:21 |
| bknudson | open a bug | 01:21 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: alright i'll doc it and do a bug, do you think it's the sort of thing we can get away with moving back into shell? | 01:22 |
| jamielennox | we can leave the debug kwarg, but it's creating a channel to stdout - is that a compatibility people will expect? | 01:22 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: I think logging configuration belongs in the application/shell rather than the library | 01:23 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: ++ | 01:23 |
| bknudson | so I think we can get away with moving it to shell | 01:23 |
| bknudson | I suppose we can leave the debug arg there and have it do what it does now but say to not use it. | 01:23 |
| bknudson | Hopefully nobody is using it. | 01:24 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: ok, i'll replicate it to shell and deprecate the debug arg - i think we probably need to keep the functionality there - people are dumb | 01:25 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, had a chat with dolphm earlier and we came to a general agreement on how to proceed on v2/v3 interop. Bascially, I'll be reusing your discover code, to make a second call once we get an endpoint | 01:45 |
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| ayoung | It will lead to a second call, and probably a need for some caching. | 01:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, the caching should be thought deeply about. | 01:45 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: ok, i had the idea to do some very basic caching | 01:46 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think we'll need some cache control headers on the server side | 01:46 |
| ayoung | and an option to flush the cache for when things go pear shaped | 01:46 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: so i was going to put just a general dictionary on session that would only be allowed to cache things like discovery that won't change often | 01:47 |
| jamielennox | in terms of general caching, i've gone to some effort to make sure that users of a session object still have access to the underlying requests object | 01:47 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, yep. dolphm did a PoC along those lines...let me find it | 01:47 |
| ayoung | https://gist.github.com/dolph/8045996 | 01:48 |
| jamielennox | so my thought was that i don't need to handle caching at all | 01:48 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, there is support for it in requests? | 01:48 |
| jamielennox | if users of session want to do caching they can use one of the requests caching modules and i won't know | 01:49 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: http://httpcache.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 01:49 |
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| jamielennox | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/requests-cache | 01:49 |
| ayoung | right, we discussed the other day...I am assuming we need cache control headers to make that work right | 01:49 |
| jamielennox | so generally caching in session is not my problem and not one i want this to go anywhere near | 01:50 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I assume that httpcache is not packaged or in use elsewhere in openstack> | 01:50 |
| ayoung | right? | 01:50 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: no idea, i would think not | 01:51 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: but that's not the point - i don't want to give people that access | 01:51 |
| jamielennox | if they want to use that then they can because i just wrap sessions | 01:51 |
| ayoung | right...so we document how to use it and make it someone elses problem | 01:52 |
| jamielennox | now in the case of discovery (the most simply possible caching) then i was going to offer a dictionary as a cache | 01:52 |
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| jamielennox | but only to really solve that one problem | 01:52 |
| ayoung | ok, we can punt on that for now...it would be good to write up the plan you have in mind, though | 01:53 |
| jamielennox | plan: make it someone else's problem :) | 01:53 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: where does it make sense for that? | 01:54 |
| ayoung | blueprint still. | 01:54 |
| ayoung | python-keystoneclient blueprint : document how to integrate with cache.... | 01:54 |
| ayoung | how about a bug...RFE? jamielennox | 01:55 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: i can not figure out what that debug actually does in HTTPClient, if i comment it out it doesn't appear to affect the CLI | 02:39 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, roughly, this. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62801/ I had to deal with a circular dependnecy, cuz discover refers to httpclient, and now httpclient will need to refer to discover. | 03:24 |
| ayoung | The tests are broken, but you get the idea | 03:24 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i have a patch that removes that dep | 03:24 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I mean, I have it now in this code...if your patch makes it clearer, I'll use it | 03:25 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61247/ | 03:25 |
| jamielennox | i want that through anywawy | 03:25 |
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| jamielennox | it should have been using session all along but the two patches went through at a similar time | 03:26 |
| ayoung | cool...I'll rebase on that | 03:26 |
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| ayoung | never ever name anything utils | 03:26 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, kindof afraind that discover is going to grow the huge parameter list | 03:34 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: it's going to have to initially | 03:34 |
| jamielennox | though the plan is that anything that can be added to session should be | 03:35 |
| jamielennox | as opposed to HTTPClient i mean | 03:35 |
| ayoung | should we stick user and base url in there now> | 03:35 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: have you looked through my auth_plugins | 03:35 |
| ayoung | not recently....I have a lot better sense of the client now | 03:35 |
| jamielennox | so all this manipulation of the service catalog is being moved into there | 03:36 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60751/ | 03:36 |
| ayoung | that one> | 03:36 |
| jamielennox | if you're going to push this that's really where it should be going | 03:36 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: that's the start | 03:36 |
| jamielennox | the dependent one is the one that you will be interested in though | 03:36 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: | 03:36 |
| jamielennox | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60752/ | 03:36 |
| ayoung | yep | 03:37 |
| ayoung | get_endpoint is what I want | 03:37 |
| jamielennox | so i guess we need to add a version=XX in there or something | 03:38 |
| jamielennox | probably as an optional? | 03:38 |
| ayoung | I was doing it in the subclasses, as they know which version they need | 03:38 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: yea, but think layers | 03:39 |
| jamielennox | you can still define it in the subclass it will get passed through to session | 03:39 |
| jamielennox | the point with session is that if you say session.request('/xxxx', service_type='identity') it should figure out what that means | 03:39 |
| ayoung | actually, it is not get_endpoint...it is get_version_from_endpoint | 03:40 |
| jamielennox | client.request calls session.request and adds the service_type to the params | 03:40 |
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| jamielennox | so you could do the same with service_version or something | 03:40 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: but something along these lines is going to come in soon-ish so it would be better to not tie it back into the client | 03:41 |
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| ayoung | right. It is something we want the other services to be able to use as well. | 03:42 |
| jamielennox | yep, if we solve it here then we solve it for all the services | 03:42 |
| jamielennox | (once we force them to adopt this model in the client) | 03:42 |
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| ayoung | so session is going to wrap the service catalog? get_endpoint will do the additional lookup, and we can cache any values for a reasonable amount of time | 03:44 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: kind of, session is going to abstract the need for clients to deal with a service_catalog and get_endpoint is a plugin overridable method for getting something from a service catalog it understands | 03:46 |
| jamielennox | the point of this whole exercise is that session should know all this stuff - who to talk to, authentication etc | 03:46 |
| jamielennox | all the client does is say session get me this url | 03:46 |
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| jamielennox | well, fetch me this patch from this service - then the session looks at the service catalog and handles it all | 03:47 |
| jamielennox | s/patch/path | 03:47 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, OK, I'm going to push the reviews on the outstanding client changes. In the meanwhile, I'll rework my patch on top of that | 03:48 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, you have a lot of patches in need of review..where do I start? Aside from the session one we first discussed? | 03:49 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: heh, yea there is a few there | 03:51 |
| jamielennox | this chain is fairly easy to understand: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62541/ | 03:51 |
| jamielennox | i'm just messing with one of those now though | 03:51 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: there's one up from that patch which i'm not sure about | 03:52 |
| ayoung | I was looking at the patches that depends on | 03:52 |
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| ayoung | OK, I'm headed to bed. I'll try and catch up on your reviews tomorrow. | 03:56 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: no problem - thanks | 03:57 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: ping? | 14:42 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: pong | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | sdague: had a question about the sighup thing, but replied on the ml | 14:57 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 14:58 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, responded back | 14:59 |
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| sdague | you read SpamapS's response | 15:00 |
| sdague | sighup should only do that if the process is daemonized | 15:00 |
| sdague | otherwise it's actually wrong behavior | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, the bug includes some suggestions for detecting being a daemon | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | or rather, a link to suggestions | 15:00 |
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| sdague | so is anyone actually using the reread part? | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: I don't know, but I assume the author is | 15:01 |
| sdague | because my feeling is this is a pretty high bug, and we should disable that behavior until it's fixed | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: why so critical? | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | sorry, not enough tea yet, why do you think it is so critical? | 15:02 |
| * dhellmann needs 2 cups before his language module comes online | 15:02 | |
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| sdague | dhellmann: because it breaks the ability to shut down nova in devstack, which breaks some of the upgrade testing pipeline we need to build | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | sdague: this isn't a very new change, is there new upgrade testing going on? | 15:08 |
| sdague | there will be | 15:09 |
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| sdague | honestly, I don't understand how grenade from havana -> master is working with this | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I'm not saying it's not critical, just trying to understand why it took several months to notice the issue | 15:09 |
| sdague | well, we were only doing grizzly -> master upgrade | 15:09 |
| sdague | until very recently | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | ah | 15:09 |
| sdague | and we don't have a 'unstack.sh' test, which we should | 15:10 |
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| sdague | I've had a few people pinging me on irc about how they can't get grenade to work in their environment | 15:10 |
| sdague | and I only started looking at this yesterday | 15:10 |
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| dhellmann | I'll email the 2 folks that made changes in that bit of code to get them to weigh in on the mailing list thread | 15:12 |
| sdague | ok cool | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: could you post about the testing impact that you just described, for context for them? | 15:16 |
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| sdague | sure, but it's going to be hand wavey at this point, because I don't have time to dig into why grenade is actually working in the gate right now (which, honestly, it shouldn't be) | 15:19 |
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| bnemec | viktors: Still around? | 15:44 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: will probably need a release of keystoneclient | 15:51 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I think jamielennox|away had a change that he wanted to get in before the next release. | 15:52 |
| shardy | bknudson: If possible, I'd like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61046/ to get into the next release too :) | 15:52 |
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| bknudson | shardy: I had a couple of minor comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61046/ | 16:06 |
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| shardy | bknudson: Ok thanks | 16:08 |
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| shardy | bknudson: How would you phrase the previous comment? | 16:08 |
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| shardy | seemed pretty clear to me | 16:09 |
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| bknudson | shardy: when did the calling convention change? | 16:10 |
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| shardy | bknudson: It is changing in the client in this patch, which is why jamielennox|away wanted me to add in the _get_data_blob backwards compatible stuff | 16:11 |
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| shardy | It has always been blob in the API AFAICT, and I don't think the client interfaces can have ever worked, for the type=ec2 case at least | 16:12 |
| shardy | bknudson: So I meant previous to this function, or previous to the bug I just referenced in the comment | 16:12 |
| shardy | I'm happy to reword it, I'm just unclear how to improve it | 16:13 |
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| bknudson | shardy: I don't think someone reading the file in the future is going to have an easy time of figuring out when it changed... | 16:14 |
| bknudson | shardy: put the release when it changed in there. | 16:14 |
| sdague | dhellmann_: where is the oslo bug you registered on this? | 16:14 |
| bknudson | just need to know what the current release is. | 16:14 |
| sdague | on the not doing the right thing if not a daemon | 16:14 |
| shardy | bknudson: OK | 16:14 |
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| bknudson | shardy: looks like it's 0.4.2 | 16:15 |
| bknudson | shardy: also, I think you should have a DocImpact in the commit message | 16:15 |
| shardy | bknudson: well why don't I just put <= 0.4.1 it was data, as I don't know for sure this will land for the next release | 16:16 |
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| shardy | bknudson: which docs reference the old format? | 16:16 |
| shardy | the API docs are already correct | 16:16 |
| shardy | I'm not aware of docs detailing the python API | 16:16 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ++ i want a release with that transient fixed | 16:17 |
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| bknudson | shardy: not having docs for the python API seems like a problem. | 16:18 |
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| shardy | bknudson: well it's not documented for any openstack clients is it? | 16:18 |
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| shardy | we document the CLI interfaces in many cases, but not the python bindings | 16:18 |
| annegentle_ | shardy: bknudson: we had a patch proposed for an all-encompasing python document | 16:18 |
| shardy | annegentle_: Is it auto generated? | 16:19 |
| annegentle_ | shardy: bknudson: and we're working on developer.openstack.org based on summit discussions, which is probably where it'll and | 16:19 |
| bknudson | are people just supposed to guess how to use the python bindings? | 16:19 |
| annegentle_ | shardy: bknudson: it should be, but it's oft-neglected | 16:19 |
| shardy | bknudson: well they can, you know, read the python | 16:19 |
| shardy | bknudson: Not being able to read python is probably a pretty big barrier to using them ;) | 16:20 |
| annegentle_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52857/ | 16:20 |
| shardy | bknudson: I agree automagically generated docs would be nice tho | 16:20 |
| annegentle_ | that was the initial attempt, and we'll work with Lorin on placement, publishing, etc. | 16:20 |
| viktors | dhellmann_: there? | 16:21 |
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| bknudson | generating the docs from docstrings would be preferred to a separate doc to maintain. | 16:21 |
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| bknudson | here they are: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-keystoneclient/api/keystoneclient.v2_0.client.html#key | 16:22 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: yes, the definitive reference for all of the relevant Python classes and functions should be the Sphinx-generated http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-*client/ sites | 16:22 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: but guidance is welcomed | 16:23 |
| bknudson | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-keystoneclient/releases.html -- stops at 0.1.3 :( | 16:23 |
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| bknudson | annegentle_: the sphinx-generated docs are exactly what we want, IMO | 16:23 |
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| annegentle_ | bknudson: lorin also wrote http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/cloud/library/cl-openstack-pythonapis/index.html | 16:23 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: yes of course, I'm just saying there's a need for guidance | 16:24 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: and there's the problem of those sites being ill maintained | 16:24 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: all fixable, just saying it's known | 16:24 |
| bknudson | we just need to be better about documenting python-keystoneclient better. | 16:24 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: agreed | 16:25 |
| bknudson | annegentle_: my guidance would be to update the docstrings in python-keystoneclient rather than providing a new document. | 16:27 |
| bknudson | although I'm sure there's a place for a document, too. | 16:27 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: sure, but I want to encourage those updates by providing a document that encourages/shames devs :) | 16:27 |
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| annegentle_ | bknudson: and I think http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/cloud/library/cl-openstack-pythonapis/index.html would be a good starter | 16:28 |
| bknudson | annegentle_: one thing that would be useful, I think, is to have the docs build fail if a warning or error is output. | 16:28 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: how do you know if it doesn't? | 16:29 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: as far as I know the docs jobs are gating | 16:29 |
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| bknudson | annegentle_: I submitted a couple of changes to keystone to clean up warnings and errors in the docstrings: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62265/ | 16:31 |
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| annegentle_ | bknudson: ok, I see. that's one to take to your core team and then adjust gate jobs with infa | 16:50 |
| annegentle_ | infra | 16:50 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i found an interesting fact about Python unittests that contribute to the appearance of a memory leak | 16:52 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: test cases are not destructed until the end of the test run | 16:52 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: that was what I was hoping had changed with the switch to testr | 16:54 |
| bknudson | dstanek: you mean a ref to the test object is kept around? | 16:54 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: yes, this is how the unittest library works :-( testr just uses that | 16:56 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i make a experimental change to the base testcase that i'll probably submit for review once i prove that it's safe | 16:56 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i make a bunch of keystoneclient test changes starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63457/ | 16:57 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63408/ | 16:59 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: thanks for splitting it up! | 17:00 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: v3 docs would be good to have... might convince developers to use that rather than v2. | 17:01 |
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| bknudson | only needed 20 lines to add tests for 0.3.x and 0.4.x ? | 17:07 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: that means we didn't do a terrible job in keystoneclient :P | 17:08 |
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| roaet | anyone else having problems with tempest CRITICAL tempest [-] Duplicate test id detected: tempest.api.object_storage.test_object_temp_url.ObjectTempUrlTest.test_get_object_after_expiration_time[gate,negative] | 17:41 |
| roaet | i guess this is infra | 17:41 |
| roaet | or qa? | 17:41 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, "Federated" does not belong in the token request. At all. Anywhere. | 18:11 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: I believe the latest version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63444/ is a proper fix | 18:12 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, i never said to put it there :O | 19:04 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, I know...I submited an update SAML patch without it. Take a look | 19:04 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, just did | 19:05 |
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| sdague | dhellmann_: cool I'll try now | 19:05 |
| stevemar | ayoung, take a look at the mapping api spec too, if you can | 19:05 |
| ayoung | stevemar, will do...that one is the most important | 19:06 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i'm hoping that is the last patch for the mapping api spec, *fingers crossed* | 19:09 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, not if you are getting me to review it...heh heh | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: even the impl of it is fairly trivial, it's the rule engine part that gets scary | 19:10 |
| ayoung | why is it *assertion* mapping | 19:10 |
| ayoung | I guess that makes sense, though... | 19:10 |
| ayoung | assertion attributes to internal attributes... | 19:11 |
| ayoung | meh | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it seems like a sane "phrase" to use | 19:11 |
| ayoung | Who am i to judge sanity? | 19:11 |
| ayoung | unless we need an outside perspective | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, eh. | 19:12 |
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| stevemar_afk | ayoung, leave comments here or on the patch, or both, i'll read them soon | 19:12 |
| ayoung | I have to admit that I do not like the term Federation...It makes it out like we are doing something different, where as we are really just fixing the mistakes of the past. There is nothing about mapping that is Federation, | 19:12 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, stevemar_afk, when did IDP become FEDERATION | 19:14 |
| ayoung | I still like OS-MAP...what happend to that...ugh, I can't stay on top of everything | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, reverse the order, Federation came first in our talks... idp came from the domain vs domain and domain domain domain with domains | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and "Federated Identity" is shortened to "federation" | 19:15 |
| ayoung | Bloody vikings | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | os-map, not sure when that changed | 19:15 |
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| morganfainberg | and i don't know what happened yesterday, my day was filled with teeth-cleaning events | 19:16 |
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| terry_howe | If anyone needs anything to do over the holidays https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62959/ | 19:33 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, bknudson, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62197/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62198/ - i'd like to at least get the first one moving if possible, i want to get to work on finishing up the per-domain-identity stuff, and it feels like this cleanup should occur before instead of after so it's less meshed together (trying to isolate out the "extra" domain lookup stuff). | 19:34 |
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| morganfainberg | though if there are issues with getting those in, i'll re-consider that | 19:34 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, ^ | 19:34 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I'll add them to my list. | 19:35 |
| dolphm | ayoung: all we did was merge OS-MAP and OS-IDP since they were completely dependent on each other -- but we're still reviewing them separately | 19:35 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: looking | 19:35 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, thanks. not a huge rush on them. just wanted to make sure we either said "yay" or "wait" so i can figure out where to shove the other code ;) | 19:36 |
| ayoung | dolphm mapping should stand alone....that is the #1 way it is going to be used, I think | 19:36 |
| morganfainberg | esp. since holidays and all are - well .. around the corner | 19:36 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ? it'll only ever come into play when we're processing federated attributes | 19:40 |
| ayoung | dolphm, assume REMOTE_USER. Fronting Keystone with Apache | 19:40 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i thought you had abandoned this effort... i figured the next patch would be to undo the commit in havana | 19:40 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: that's the only use case i'm considering, but not really just REMOTE_USER | 19:41 |
| dolphm | (for the moment) | 19:41 |
| dolphm | first-class use case, anyway | 19:41 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK, so even in that case, we'll have a single IdP set up...ok | 19:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 19:41 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: 1) setup an idp, 2) add a protocol to that idp, 3) process that protocol's output with a mapping | 19:42 |
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| ayoung | OK...but lets not call it Federated | 19:42 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i just hadn't had time to clean it up because of deadlines. i think it is still relevant to pull users out of "domains" and support more-than-one-idp (non-federated). it's a step towards making everything talk to idps the same way | 19:43 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62197/ | 19:43 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, cool. thanks. that one i figured was easy it cleans up some "well thats silly" things. | 19:44 |
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| devananda | question on periodic task intervals for ya'll | 19:47 |
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| dolphm | devananda: fun topic :P | 19:48 |
| devananda | i've just observed two things that surprised me | 19:48 |
| devananda | 1) i can't set a periodic_task interval below 60 seconds | 19:48 |
| devananda | 2) when i set the interval to 90, it actually runs exactly every 120 seconds | 19:48 |
| devananda | i've probably missed some setting somewhere | 19:48 |
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| devananda | but where? | 19:49 |
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| devananda | aaaah | 19:50 |
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| devananda | openstack/common/periodic_task.py DEFAULT_INTERVAL | 19:50 |
| devananda | hard-coded to 60. NOT a config option | 19:51 |
| devananda | sigh | 19:51 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: I consider ^ a bug. what do you think? | 19:51 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: which, the default or the 120 instead of 90? | 19:52 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: both issues -- i can't set it to less than 60. and 90 != 120. | 19:53 |
| devananda | i'm re-reading the periodic task code in oslo to see if there's an easy way to change this. | 19:53 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: iirc, that stuff uses eventlet's timer, so the period is a minimum but if eventlet is busy it might not run | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | that doesn't explain 120 instead of 90, though | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | I'd have to look at the history to understand why 60 is the minimum | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | how often do you want to run a task? | 19:54 |
| devananda | eg, i can't set it t orun every 10 seconds | 19:54 |
| devananda | such as a heartbeat | 19:54 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: is a 10 second heartbeat going to scale for a lot of service instances? | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | devananda: and I suspect the 120 instead of 90 is because of that interval issue, too | 19:57 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, ping | 19:57 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: yep. it's a single db row update. and even in very large deployment, there should not be that many ir-conductor instances | 19:58 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: how about if DEFAULT_INTERVAL was a an attribute of PeriodicTasks | 19:58 |
| dhellmann | devananda: does a user need to control that? | 19:58 |
| devananda | dhellmann: as i'm reading the code, i'm not convinced that DEFAULT_INTERVAL is acting as a minimum, actually | 19:59 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: I guess it depends on the spacing for a given method | 20:00 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'll do a cleanup on the code dolph approved as a separate patchset (addressing your comments) | 20:02 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: ok, thanks | 20:02 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, thanks for the review! | 20:02 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, as always, good stuff | 20:02 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, i talked w/ dstanek and ayoung, and a chunk of the de-dup is going to be pushing logic out of the controllers and down to the managers | 20:03 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, so it was already planned. | 20:03 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: ++ that'll be nice to have | 20:04 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, i think people will be coming back from vacations and i'll have like 6 more patches to be looked at :P | 20:04 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: ok... I saw the other comments in there but wasn't sure if that was the same thing. | 20:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yeah, it is. thanks for tagging the stuff explicitly will make it easier to chase | 20:05 |
| morganfainberg | i also _hope_ i can work to make deletes idempotent soon. so we don't need to raise "NotFound" if a delete is attempted against something that exists.. that might be a big change though | 20:06 |
| morganfainberg | erm s/exists/doesn't exist | 20:06 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: the server should return 404 Not Found if the resource doesn't exist. | 20:07 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, on a delete operation? | 20:07 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, (this is API changing so, longer looking) | 20:07 |
| morganfainberg | i'm not convinced a 404 is correct for delete if an item doesn't exist. | 20:08 |
| morganfainberg | willing to discuss it though. | 20:08 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: what if I DELETE /v2/something ? | 20:08 |
| bknudson | should that return 404 ? | 20:08 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, hm. | 20:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, perhaps delete should 404 above the managers for specific items | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, instead of at the manager layer. | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | or below | 20:09 |
| bknudson | the server has to find the resource before it can attempt any operation on it ... if the resource doesn't exist when trying to find it should return 404 Not Found. | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | so DELETE /tenant/<uuid> would check if it exists and then perform the action | 20:09 |
| bknudson | this is where the routes code is showing it's not very RESTful. | 20:10 |
| morganfainberg | but calling assignment_api.delete_project wouldn't NotFound if it doesn't exist | 20:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, aye | 20:10 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, my thought is that if the manager doens't raise NotFound (or the driver) for delete operations it makes some of the looping cases a lot cleaner (less try except around all sorts of stuff) | 20:11 |
| morganfainberg | not that try/except is bad, just gets more and more complicated as you need to perform more actions | 20:11 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: manager could have an interface that raises and one that doesn't? | 20:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, sure. that is doable. call the same underlying code. | 20:12 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, same concept as what i was just describing | 20:12 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, any concerns with that? | 20:12 |
| morganfainberg | if not i will take that approach (2 interfaces) | 20:13 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I don't have any concerns with that. | 20:14 |
| bknudson | is there a "with ignore_exception():" ? that would be handy | 20:14 |
| bknudson | with ignore_exception(NotFound) | 20:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ooh, that might be a good approach | 20:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, actually.......... | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | i really like that | 20:15 |
| bknudson | would save 2 lines of code. | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | and could be useful in other cases. | 20:15 |
| bknudson | (but would also be more obvious) | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | with ignore_exception(*exceptions): | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | or ignore_exceptions(*exceptions) | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | ? | 20:16 |
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| dstanek | i don't think you'd want to 404 a delete unless there is no match in routes for the resource | 20:24 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, DELETE /project/<resource> | 20:25 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek if resource doesn't exist, bknudson is right, that shoudl 404 | 20:26 |
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| morganfainberg | but if deleting resource has a sub-delete of a dependant item should likely be silent and not raise if it doesn't exist | 20:26 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, it's two different use cases of the delete mechanusm | 20:26 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, one is definitely justified in returning 404 | 20:27 |
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| bknudson | could also respond with 410 Gone if we want to keep track of deleted items. | 20:30 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: still working through the second change, but it looks like bknudson +2'd and i have zero complaints so far | 20:30 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, not all backends do, but i always wanted to use 410 | 20:30 |
| bknudson | or 402 Payment Required if we want to charge for access. | 20:31 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, nod. i responded to bknudson's comments as well there. | 20:31 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: this could also be linked to that havana bp for finishing split-identity | 20:31 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, +++ | 20:31 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i'm referring to the second patch | 20:31 |
| dolphm | ah, so are you | 20:31 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, did I? | 20:32 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, *blink* i already forgot if i did :P | 20:32 |
| dolphm | yes. lol | 20:32 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, lol, okay then! | 20:32 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: +2/approved | 20:35 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, cool. that one is a _real_ pain to rebase. | 20:36 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, thanks and now i can work on continued fixes/refactoring/cleanup fun. | 20:36 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: if you have a follow up to bknudson's comments, ping me with a link | 20:36 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that will be the next patchset i get up. | 20:36 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i think a 404 is not wrong, but i have never wanted to do it | 20:37 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, so i'll hit you up as soon as it's ready. | 20:37 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, i like bknudson's thought, provide a simple (and clear) way to ignore certain exceptions (e.g. context manager): with ignore_exceptions(tokenNotFound, UserNotFound): | 20:37 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: in the mean time, you may be interested to know that 38.318 average-weight children could feed 952 Burmese tigers eating 11 pounds per day for one year | 20:37 |
| dolphm | 38,318* | 20:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, well then, I shall file that away as "I'm so using that in the next meeting I get roped into" bucket :) | 20:38 |
| stevemar | terry_howe, nice job on the neutron stuff, that'll be a good amount to review | 20:38 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: adult tigers can also eat two fat six year olds in a single sitting #funfacts | 20:38 |
| bknudson | dolphm: that would solve 2 problems | 20:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, #funtigerfacts #respondwith"NoMoreTigerFacts"ToStopGettingThese | 20:39 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, in ref to ^, it's easier than making a big try-except block (never clean imo) and better than try/except try/except try/except. | 20:40 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, alternative option, "raise_exception=True" arg | 20:41 |
| morganfainberg | (or, raise_exception=False) | 20:41 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I was actually ahead of you on the sync request :) | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | sdague: did I miss it? :-) | 20:42 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63495/ | 20:43 |
| sdague | and it's almost done with check | 20:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: rofl | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ok, I'll abandon mine | 20:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: you mean 3 problems? | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: I added nova as affected by the bug, do you want to take that over? | 20:45 |
| sdague | sure | 20:45 |
| stevemar | ayoung: so, what did you want changed in the mapping spec? | 20:46 |
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| bknudson | looks like devstack takes keystone's logging.conf.sample and makes a couple of changes to it... | 21:14 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/lib/keystone#n254 | 21:15 |
| bknudson | oh, never mind... that's the root logger is configured. | 21:15 |
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| sdague | markwash: hey... so remember that email from last night - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57413/ :P | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | jgriffith: around? | 21:49 |
| bknudson | logging config file question -- if I want to have a different level for a logger I need to specify the handler every time? | 21:50 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg - jenkins does not want us to get our patches in | 21:56 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, phsaw | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, REVERIFY WITH A HAMMER! | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, i mean.... | 22:01 |
| stevemar | hammer of justice | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, ban hammer? | 22:01 |
| stevemar | no ban hammers allowed | 22:01 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, unless you're mordred, which case, ban hammers on IRC channels are welcome (especially for spammers) | 22:02 |
| stevemar | aye | 22:02 |
| chandankumar_ | hello | 22:05 |
| chandankumar_ | please review this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63342/ | 22:05 |
| chandankumar_ | this is a doc patch related to keystone. | 22:06 |
| chandankumar_ | it would be great it would be reviewed. :) | 22:06 |
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| stevemar | chandankumar_, will do | 22:08 |
| chandankumar_ | stevemar, Thank you :) | 22:08 |
| morganfainberg | chandankumar_, yep lots more keystone folks lurk in here ;) | 22:09 |
| chandankumar_ | morganfainberg, Thanks :) | 22:10 |
| morganfainberg | chandankumar_ (all of them, afaik i'm the only one in the other channel) | 22:10 |
| morganfainberg | just to redirect people here | 22:10 |
| chandankumar_ | :) | 22:10 |
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| morganfainberg | chandankumar_, also, _+2 LGTM | 22:11 |
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| chandankumar_ | morganfainberg, Thank you for the valuable review | 22:13 |
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| mordred | morganfainberg: boom | 22:25 |
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| chandankumar_ | morganfainberg, can look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1239894 | 22:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1239894 in python-keystoneclient "insecure=True not documented outside of keystoneclient.middleware.auth_token" [Undecided,Invalid] | 22:27 |
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| markwash | sdague: hmm, no sorry what's up? | 22:27 |
| markwash | sdague: I don't generally use "am I up to speed on -dev" as a blocker to my day to day review duties | 22:28 |
| chandankumar_ | morganfainberg, it needs to be documented in developer keystone doc but where to add it? | 22:28 |
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| sdague | markwash: so the last working Jenkins run on that was 1 month ago | 22:28 |
| sdague | which means, as expected, the unit tests don't actually work any more | 22:28 |
| markwash | ah, so recheck first? | 22:29 |
| sdague | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022797.html | 22:29 |
| sdague | yep | 22:29 |
| sdague | if the change hasn't seen a good jenkins run in a while, that's a totally valid use of "recheck no bug" | 22:29 |
| markwash | sdague: okay cool, will do | 22:30 |
| markwash | good to get that notice now before review-santa comes | 22:30 |
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| sdague | :) | 22:30 |
| sdague | it's why I sent it to -dev ... hoping to catch folks on it | 22:31 |
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| markwash | sdague: assuming a developer was up to speed, how hard would it be to make some of the gate optimization management changes you're thinking of? is there any little etherpad or other list of ideas that just need implementors? | 22:37 |
| sdague | markwash: chat with jeblair, it would be zuul patches | 22:38 |
| markwash | okiedokie | 22:38 |
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| jeblair | markwash: bug 1079268 | 22:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1079268 in zuul "periodic recheck of reviews" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079268 | 22:42 |
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| jeblair | markwash: it's not a trivial change; it would either be a new kind of trigger or an extension to the zuul gerrit trigger. but it's also not _too_ hard. | 22:45 |
| jeblair | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tree/zuul/trigger | 22:45 |
| jeblair | markwash: let me know if you get serious | 22:46 |
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| markwash | jeblair: sure thing, thanks for the tips | 22:46 |
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| morganfainberg | mordred, :) | 22:54 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, just was commenting on the awesome ban-hammer action for the spammer you performed not so long ago. | 22:55 |
| morganfainberg | in this channel | 22:55 |
| mordred | morganfainberg: that was ... fun :) | 22:55 |
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| markwash | jeblair: how long does zuul run between restarts typically? | 23:06 |
| jeblair | markwash: weeks | 23:07 |
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| jeblair | markwash: we only restart it for upgrades (or there's a current bug leaking file descriptors of git repos which is currently giving us about 2 weeks of runtime) | 23:09 |
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| markwash | jeblair: cool. . so there might actually be room to cache some state in memory regarding when merges were last checked, and it might make sense. . just brainstorming | 23:10 |
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| jeblair | markwash: yeah, though i'd try to get gerrit to do as much heavy lifting (by way of a query) as possible | 23:13 |
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| markwash | yeah, easier to get that right | 23:14 |
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| clarkb | fwiw new gerrit will check mergability for us | 23:19 |
| clarkb | if we are talking about checking that things can merge | 23:19 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, ooh | 23:27 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, i like that | 23:27 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, Refactor all the code! (nice on the base sql refactor, i'll need to read over the code in the next few days) | 23:43 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I should have waited a few minutes. | 23:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, hehe | 23:43 |
| bknudson | not sure if it really needs to be done, but it's odd to have a class that only has a couple of members that don't have to be members. | 23:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, agreed, with most of the code removed... it likely should go away | 23:44 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'll look over all your outstanding reviews probably early next week | 23:53 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: thanks! | 23:54 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, sure thing. i'm (hopefully) going to get some time to hack on devstack so we get httpd deployments of keystone as well :) get to work on the opensource code w/ no distractions from the office. hopefully ti means i'll get lots of reviewing and lots of code done | 23:55 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: devstack doesn't have httpd deployment already? | 23:55 |
| bknudson | I was just looking at it. | 23:55 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, aparantly not. or it's not the "default" and there is a chunk of work that should be done to make it default | 23:56 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, whatever the state is, i'll be working on that for sure. | 23:56 |
| bknudson | I've never set it up that way, but there's files on there for httpd config. | 23:56 |
| morganfainberg | i'm sure i'll find all sorts of oddities with it :) | 23:57 |
| morganfainberg | should be "fun" | 23:57 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, if you have some time to think about it, i'm trying to figure out the "best" way to address caching tests. it seems like there could be issues testing everything with cache turned on, and with cache turned off. | 23:58 |
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| morganfainberg | but short of running tests twice, (ick) it's hard to test cleanly both ways | 23:58 |
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| bknudson | we run several tests twice | 23:59 |
| bknudson | in different configs | 23:59 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but this would be running most all tests in assignment twice, and some of identity | 23:59 |
| morganfainberg | eventually, it could mean running _all_ tests twice. | 23:59 |
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