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| termie | is it common now for the catalog returned in tokens to have versioned urls for most services except glance? | 00:38 |
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| termie | wondering whtehr this is configured weird or whether glance is now different | 00:38 |
| ayoung | termie, my guess is that glance dodged the bullet, got smart...and probably is not having a versioning mechanism | 00:41 |
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| termie | ayoung: nah, that url just dies if you try to access it and dumps a bunch of versioned urls | 00:41 |
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| ayoung | nice | 00:42 |
| termie | ayoung: was just updating ocl and in the random cloud i am testing against it is the only one not returning a versioned url | 00:42 |
| termie | ayoung: but it is very possible that this cloud is configured unusually | 00:42 |
| ayoung | termie, do you remember the core of your versioning idea? | 00:42 |
| termie | ayoung: make everything work for everybody forever | 00:43 |
| termie | ayoung: current expectations is that i twiddle around until i figure out which versions the server is speaking that i can understand | 00:43 |
| termie | ayoung: but _my_ versioning idea was enforced backwards compat forever | 00:43 |
| termie | ayoung: and no versions | 00:43 |
| ayoung | termie, I would say something like: start at the host name, and drill down to figure out what the service can do...kind like the way the web works | 00:44 |
| termie | ayoung: the new versioning idea was to put everything on teh same version based on release date | 00:44 |
| termie | ayoung: oh, i know how to find out a version | 00:44 |
| termie | ayoung: i am just asking whtehr this is common config | 00:44 |
| termie | ayoung: like, they could have just forgotten to put the right url in the catalog | 00:44 |
| ayoung | yeah, I think it is a very common config | 00:44 |
| termie | ayoung: well, based on your first response it doesn't sound like you would know | 00:45 |
| ayoung | termie, my knowledge is probably a little limited | 00:45 |
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| ayoung | I code, but I don't deploy | 00:45 |
| termie | ayoung: since you were surprised that that option existed | 00:45 |
| ayoung | I meant to say that it is common for all the services to push a versionsed url, not that I know what glance is doing | 00:46 |
| termie | ayoung: righto | 00:46 |
| termie | anyway, found somebody working on this cloud and they say that nowadays glance-client has added its own version discovery | 00:47 |
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| termie | ayoung: so this appears to be the current devstack-trusted setup for glance/servicecatalog | 00:47 |
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| ayoung | I think we already have implicit "enforced backwards compat forever"....programming is like sex....make one mistake and support it for the rest of your life. | 00:49 |
| termie | i suppose that depends on your views about selling children to forced labor camps | 00:50 |
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| ayoung | As the parent of a 7 year old I can state that a forced labor camp of children that age could never produce enough to support itself. | 00:54 |
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| asalkeld | ayoung, that's quite funny | 00:55 |
| ayoung | asalkeld, you have kids, too? | 00:56 |
| asalkeld | yeah 2 boys | 00:56 |
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| ayoung | Same here. Getting a kid to bed is hard. Maybe NP-Hard | 00:57 |
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| ewindisch | at least a couple of the APIs support multiple versions and you can query which ones are supported by the endpoint. | 01:04 |
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| ewindisch | nova and cinder are not in that set. | 01:04 |
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| jamielennox | at least they are doing discovery - but that makes at least 3 projects each doing discovery in their own way | 01:36 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I am testing out discovery now, and I think I might want to add a "create_client" call comparable to your available_versions call: | 01:56 |
| ayoung | any reason I need to create a Discover object before creating a client? | 01:57 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: if you call client.Client() it will do it for you | 02:01 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, ah, of course | 02:01 |
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| jamielennox | the discovery object will be useful when you need to know what versions are actually available | 02:01 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I'm trying to explicitly create a v3 client | 02:01 |
| jamielennox | client.Client(version=3, **kwargs) | 02:01 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, so I need to find where it converts the management url for the first time | 02:02 |
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| jamielennox | converts? | 02:02 |
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| jamielennox | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/discover.py#L206 | 02:03 |
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| jamielennox | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/discover.py#L137 | 02:03 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, nah, later than that | 02:05 |
| ayoung | _cs_request | 02:05 |
| ayoung | if is_management and self.management_url is None: | 02:05 |
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| ayoung | something has set management url | 02:05 |
| jamielennox | oh | 02:05 |
| ayoung | my catalog has it as | 02:05 |
| jamielennox | um process_token | 02:05 |
| ayoung | unicode: http://127.0.0.1:35357/ | 02:06 |
| jamielennox | i don't think that my changes to that have landed yet | 02:06 |
| ayoung | is that a v3 specific call? | 02:06 |
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| jamielennox | no, but v3 overrides it to do some scope specific stuff | 02:06 |
| ayoung | nah, looks like it is httpclient | 02:06 |
| jamielennox | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/httpclient.py#L475 | 02:07 |
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| jamielennox | but yes, that relies on the service catalog knowing about the endpoint version | 02:08 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, OK, so If the url that comes back has no v3 on it, we are not doing anything with it, are we? | 02:08 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: no, and i haven't got anything for that yet | 02:08 |
| ayoung | are we coding assuming that the endpoint is version specific? | 02:08 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: discovery has only really gone so far as authentication | 02:09 |
| ayoung | OK...so this is the problem....if it is version specific, and we want a different version, we are sunk. If it is non version specific, we are also sunk. | 02:09 |
| jamielennox | find what's avaialble and start a new client that will match | 02:09 |
| ayoung | for now, I think we hack off the version number, then pass to the subclass and let it hack on its own. dolphm will -2 that, but it will start the conversation | 02:10 |
| jamielennox | i'm not sure yet what to do with the result from the service catalog | 02:10 |
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| jamielennox | i don't to do another discovery lookup | 02:10 |
| jamielennox | because the client should have already done that | 02:11 |
| jamielennox | but i'm in this weird limbo where i'm not sure if people are using the old way or the new way | 02:11 |
| jamielennox | technically we should do another discovery i guess but i don't know what you would do with the result because by that time you've already got a client and if it comes back with a non supported veresion number you're screwed | 02:12 |
| ayoung | I'm going to do what is right, not what is clean | 02:12 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, we've already violated hateoas | 02:13 |
| ayoung | this is just adding frost to snow | 02:13 |
| jamielennox | huh, i guess i now know why alessio had the ability to create a client from the session | 02:13 |
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| jamielennox | it's a bad abstraction, but it means that you could do discovery for the auth_plugin and then create a client based on what was in the service catalog not what was on the server | 02:14 |
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| jamielennox | bah, i don't want to support that | 02:14 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I'll have a Proof of concept here shortly, and we can discuss, but I think it is going to be ugly no matter what | 02:14 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, http://ur1.ca/g7ru9 | 02:19 |
| ayoung | the first part of that will be in the base class. | 02:20 |
| ayoung | + murl = self.management_url.rstrip('/') | 02:20 |
| ayoung | + if murl.endswith('/v2.0'): | 02:20 |
| ayoung | + murl = murl[:-5] | 02:20 |
| ayoung | and do it for all known versions | 02:20 |
| ayoung | then appending the correct version will be in the subclass | 02:20 |
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| jamielennox | this is similar to my objection to dolph's adding v3 to the identity-api docs | 02:23 |
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| jamielennox | in practice checking the url will work, but i don't think we should rely on the /v2.0 or /v3 as part of the api | 02:23 |
| jamielennox | also, it won't work that way with auth plugins but i'm not sure what i can do about that | 02:24 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I assure you, this whole thing is one big hack. | 02:25 |
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| ayoung | and yes, by that, I mean Open Stack | 02:26 |
| ayoung | but it is a really cool, clever hack | 02:26 |
| jamielennox | yea, this is a problem i didn't think about the session object having to deal with | 02:27 |
| jamielennox | and it's a big one because it says that the session is going to have to be the thing dealing with the service catalog | 02:28 |
| jamielennox | all of this is supposed to be transparent | 02:28 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i think i change my vote to putting version nubmers in the service catalog - it's bad but it simplifies a lot of things and is much easier to maintain backwards compat | 02:32 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, then we need a separate endpoint per version | 02:33 |
| jamielennox | the service catalog will get massive and generally not work with apache | 02:33 |
| ayoung | I vote for the client being able to handle the version numbers, but not require them | 02:33 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: yea, but that's easy enough to filter through | 02:33 |
| jamielennox | it's not a good solution, but it makes it really easy to handle multiple api versions | 02:34 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, what is the right way to test a variable for "stringness" | 02:40 |
| ayoung | murl = self.auth_ref.service_catalog.url_for( | 02:40 |
| ayoung | if murl .... what> | 02:41 |
| jamielennox | isinstance(six.string_types) i guess | 02:41 |
| jamielennox | or text_types i think it's called | 02:41 |
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| dims | "isinstance(text, six.string_types)" | 02:45 |
| dims | example from oslo-incubator/openstack/common/strutils.py | 02:46 |
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| ayoung | dims, thanks, got it | 02:48 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: do you know if we have a consensus yet on whether new extensions go into the pipeline or go into service.py? | 02:57 |
| jamielennox | oauth went into service | 02:58 |
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| jamielennox | ec2 and s3 are outside but they appear to be all | 02:58 |
| ayoung | my take is that they should only go into the pipeline. That is the way they can be disabled without changing code | 02:58 |
| jamielennox | oauth etc has a config option - it's not changing code | 02:59 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: for something simple like this OS-SIMPLE-CERT middleware is just a bit overkill and unnecessary | 02:59 |
| ayoung | True, and with that I am OK with it being in service... | 03:00 |
| ayoung | the core/extension distinction really is about API, code should reflect that, but doesn';t have to to be correct | 03:00 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: wish there was a standard answer for this | 03:00 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, the way I wrote the extenstions was assuming it was going to be activated by the pipeline | 03:01 |
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| ayoung | at that point, the extension code gets compiled, processed, and registers itself | 03:01 |
| ayoung | the routers get added and the extension is available | 03:02 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung and is that suggested as the way we would still want to do it? | 03:03 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, why not? | 03:03 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: https://github.com/jamielennox/keystone/commit/1a3e2c9d23f046730fd83bb5b38ba52d5d39c969 | 03:05 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think I had the autoregistration working in an early KDS example. Its pretty cose to what you have there, but the call to add_routes goes in the extension | 03:07 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i wasn't thinking about this for KDS | 03:08 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46334/ | 03:08 |
| ayoung | maybe I never got it merged | 03:08 |
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| ayoung | yeah, I realize, just that I knew I was working on it for some extension. Anyway, it is not essential, since none of the other extensions are done that way. We can clean them all together if we get the gumption | 03:10 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: yep, there needs to be some cleanup and some decisions about extensions | 03:10 |
| jamielennox | so my question is if i start adding pecan extensions to the mix do i make it so that they too are registered via middleware? | 03:11 |
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| jamielennox | at the moment they are ComposableRouter which kind of implies that they are within the application | 03:11 |
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| ayoung | I think that is OK...we want pecan to be part of the mix, right? Do it in the simplest way possible, and we can refactor once the team all understands pecan etc | 03:24 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I broke this https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/tests/v2_0/test_client.py#L132 what is it supposed to do | 03:29 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: it checks that when you get a new token with a different service catalog the management url is updated to the new one | 03:30 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, its picking up self._endpoint, not self._management_url | 03:38 |
| jamielennox | yea, that's an annoying thing i had to throw it for compatibility | 03:38 |
| jamielennox | assuming i'm thinking of the right thing | 03:39 |
| ayoung | I think it was working before my change, though. Let me check | 03:40 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, what is the logic with endpoint? Where does it get reset? | 03:41 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: if you pass both auth_url and endpoint to the server it ignores auth_url | 03:42 |
| jamielennox | so i had to do the same thing with discovery | 03:42 |
| jamielennox | so it checks for endpoint first then auth_url | 03:42 |
| jamielennox | it's wrong but that's another issue | 03:42 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I'm going to post my change as a draft. See if you can see what I am doing that makes that break, OK? | 03:43 |
| jamielennox | ok | 03:43 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62801/ jamielennox | 03:43 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: so i'm guessing that you're being tripped up python the management_url @property | 03:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I'm modifying the wrong property | 03:46 |
| jamielennox | python? by the management_url | 03:46 |
| jamielennox | for compatibility if you set management_url then it set's _endpoint as that is considered an override of the service catalog | 03:46 |
| jamielennox | that's why the process_tokens set _management_url | 03:47 |
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| ayoung | ugh...unicode comparisons | 03:48 |
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| ayoung | I'm guesiing I need six again | 03:48 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, now I get errors in the string comparison, unicode versus ascii, I think. | 03:53 |
| ayoung | MismatchError: u"http://secondurl:35357/v3'/v3" != "http://secondurl:35357/v3'" | 03:53 |
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| ayoung | due to | 03:53 |
| ayoung | if (self._management_url is not None and | 03:54 |
| ayoung | not self._management_url.endswith('/v2.0')): | 03:54 |
| ayoung | self._management_url += '/v2.0' | 03:54 |
| jamielennox | there's an extra ' in there | 03:54 |
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| ayoung | v3 pretty much the same. | 03:55 |
| ayoung | I think it is the appending of a non-unicode string? | 03:55 |
| jamielennox | i guess so | 03:55 |
| ayoung | is this something I should use urllib for? | 03:55 |
| jamielennox | no | 03:55 |
| jamielennox | umm | 03:55 |
| jamielennox | i think it's just that the elements of the service catalog are unicode | 03:56 |
| jamielennox | so you either need to do a strutils.safe_encode or just a six.u('/v2.0') | 03:56 |
| ayoung | the comparison is failing, too | 03:56 |
| ayoung | oh, may ends with needs to be unicode | 03:56 |
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| termie | ayoung: tossed in some discovery tooling: https://github.com/termie/ocl#we-can-be-explorers | 04:02 |
| ayoung | termie, so you get back the service catalog, and then run discovery on that...after chopping off the versions I am guessing? | 04:03 |
| termie | ayoung: no, including versions and finding ones where things aren't explicit | 04:04 |
| termie | ayoung: most things besides glance and neutron still have versions hardcoded in their strings | 04:04 |
| ayoung | termie, right...but you also find hidden ones. that is the magic trick I'm trying to sort | 04:04 |
| termie | ayoung: https://github.com/termie/ocl/blob/e7afd1d78126958a3a6682ae581c0363ceaa5fc5/ocl/discovery.py | 04:04 |
| ayoung | ok, yeah, that is what I thought (nice and elegant btw) | 04:05 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/termie/ocl/blob/e7afd1d78126958a3a6682ae581c0363ceaa5fc5/ocl/discovery.py#L70 | 04:05 |
| termie | ayoung: pretty simple heuristics so far, i'm sure somebody will come up with a way to break it, but it's doing fine for the things i have found | 04:06 |
| ayoung | so "if they give me a version, I'll use it, but...I'll also see what is above it | 04:06 |
| termie | ayoung: nope | 04:06 |
| termie | if they give me a version i use it | 04:06 |
| termie | if they don't i see which ones are available | 04:06 |
| ayoung | ah... | 04:06 |
| ayoung | so my problem is they are giving me a version, and I want a different version | 04:06 |
| termie | why should you want a version they aren't telling you is there? | 04:07 |
| ayoung | cuz if I tell the Keystone admin to remove the version strings, I'll break all of the old clients out there | 04:07 |
| termie | well, you wouldn't break this one | 04:07 |
| termie | it would find the versions at whatever url you give it as an endpoint | 04:07 |
| ayoung | this one knows that it has been lied to | 04:07 |
| termie | i am not trying to fix other people's clients, just the one true client | 04:07 |
| ayoung | there's the rub...I wish we could do this clean room | 04:08 |
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| termie | ayoung: feel free to become a supporter of ocl | 04:08 |
| ayoung | I need a client that works for me, and doesn't get me support calls | 04:08 |
| ayoung | termie, I think I will...I like what I see | 04:09 |
| ayoung | we need to talk caching at some point...you have put some thought into that | 04:09 |
| ayoung | and I think it is going to be what wins the battle | 04:09 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, you are right, the problem is simply that there is an additional ' in the string. | 04:10 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: so thinking bigger picture than fixing keystoneclient, is there a way that we can use an unversioned service catalog with all the different clients? | 04:15 |
| jamielennox | without resorting to ocl | 04:15 |
| termie | jamielennox: RESORTING | 04:15 |
| termie | jamielennox: the word you were looking for was upgrading | 04:15 |
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| ayoung | termie, ++ | 04:15 |
| jamielennox | lol | 04:16 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, if we fixed the clients to do basically waht OCL is doing: assume unversioned and find the version, then, yes | 04:16 |
| jamielennox | termie: in the quick browse through the README it does seem like more of a competitor for CLI than for a library | 04:16 |
| ayoung | assuming the services are sane | 04:16 |
| ayoung | but the problem will be older clients. If we can punt on supporting older clients, the whole problem gets much easier | 04:16 |
| jamielennox | though there i do see some of the authenticated stuff there | 04:17 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: yes and no | 04:17 |
| jamielennox | so take my session and auth_plugin idea | 04:17 |
| ayoung | easier....not easy | 04:17 |
| jamielennox | the whole point is that the session is authenticated and then you request things through it for a service | 04:17 |
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| jamielennox | if i unversion the endpoints in the SC for all the services then how does session know which endpoint to use | 04:18 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, so each of the service clients need to state what version they are planning on using | 04:18 |
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| ayoung | either default to latest, or specify "v1.111" | 04:18 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: that then means that session will need to do a discover lookup for all the services (as needed) | 04:19 |
| jamielennox | there is not one format for that | 04:19 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that is why termie is writing OCL... I think that when you are done, you solution would look very like that | 04:19 |
| jamielennox | OCL has the advantage of everything being in one place | 04:20 |
| ayoung | termie, is OCL just openstack client library, or is the a more termiefied meaning? | 04:20 |
| jamielennox | if all the clients were under one umbrella we could do some cool stuff like that | 04:20 |
| ayoung | ++ | 04:20 |
| jamielennox | i bet the l is lite | 04:20 |
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| stevemar | termie, you live! | 05:17 |
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| kblin | hi folks | 08:27 |
| kblin | I'm wondering what the status if SMB support in Cinder is, and if I can offer some help with that :) | 08:28 |
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| ogelbukh | kblin: smb is being worked on as part of another project, codenamed Manila | 08:42 |
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| ogelbukh | kblin: https://launchpad.net/manila <-- | 08:42 |
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| avishay | i created a new table, but the relationship i put there isn't working as i expected | 11:35 |
| avishay | https://github.com/avishay-traeger/volume-replication/blob/master/cinder/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L472 | 11:35 |
| avishay | i expected the relationship to return two volumes, but it has only one | 11:35 |
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| marekd | dolphm: hello. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62631/1 i am now adding this. Are you sure HTTP 200 OK with empty content is fine? | 12:31 |
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| tellesnobrega | dolphm: hi, the information sent to the policy.json are the one set in the policy_dict? | 12:35 |
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| dolphm | tellesnobrega: i don't recall the implementation details, but that sounds right | 12:42 |
| dolphm | marekd: where are you seeing a 200 + empty content (empty response or empty request?) | 12:42 |
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| marekd | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62631/1/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3-os-idp-ext.md | 12:45 |
| marekd | dolphm: ^ | 12:45 |
| marekd | response | 12:45 |
| tellesnobrega | dolphm: i see, i need to enforce a rule using the domain id, but i cant figure out how | 12:45 |
| dolphm | marekd: which line? | 12:45 |
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| dolphm | marekd: hmm, the one i modified should actually be 201 Created | 12:46 |
| marekd | dolphm: oh, shit, diff skipped the lines | 12:46 |
| marekd | dolphm: my bad. | 12:46 |
| dolphm | marekd: lol that explains it | 12:46 |
| marekd | dolphm: yep, sorry :-) | 12:46 |
| dolphm | marekd: i'll correct the 200 -> 201 though | 12:47 |
| marekd | dolphm: hm, 201 still returns data, right? | 12:47 |
| dolphm | marekd: yes | 12:47 |
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| dolphm | marekd: done | 12:53 |
| marekd | sure, thanks. | 12:53 |
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| dolphm | tellesnobrega: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json#L66-L67 | 12:55 |
| dolphm | tellesnobrega: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json#L73-L74 | 12:56 |
| dolphm | tellesnobrega: sounds like you're looking to implement something based on those rules | 12:56 |
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| marekd | dolphm: BTW, are you working next 2 weeks? | 12:57 |
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| dolphm | marekd: for the most part, no | 12:57 |
| tellesnobrega | dolphm: thanks, i will take a look at this. Can i use the policy.v3cloudsample.json to enforce rules instead of the current policy.json? or i have to copy the rules to the policy.json? | 12:58 |
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| marekd | dolphm: i thought it could be good for everybody to prepare some workflow decription. What happens where (which module), what needs to be configured where and so on. I have an impression that we are working on some parts of of federation but nobody really put down how to glue everything together. | 12:59 |
| dolphm | tellesnobrega: yes, it's an example of an alternative policy | 13:00 |
| dolphm | marekd: fair assessment | 13:00 |
| tellesnobrega | dolphm: thanks | 13:00 |
| marekd | dolphm: i will propose something, probably not this week, but soon. | 13:00 |
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| marekd | dolphm: this is probably something we should start with... | 13:02 |
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| dolphm | =) | 13:02 |
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| marekd | a question: when i try send parameter OS-MAP:mapping_id something is changing this into OS_MAP_mapping_id (same happens with mapping-id only). Something has changed recently, or it was always a default behaviour? | 14:00 |
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| marekd | dolphm: actually, how determined are we to change mapping_id -> OS-MAP:mapping_id ? | 14:01 |
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| dolphm | marekd: steve was working on the opposite, which i'm in favor of | 14:05 |
| dolphm | marekd: merging the mapping extension into the IdP extension, and eliminating the need to pretend their seperate | 14:06 |
| dolphm | they're* | 14:06 |
| marekd | dolphm: i meant changing the name of the parameter. | 14:06 |
| dolphm | marekd: i mean, the spec should drop OS-MAP: prefixes completely | 14:06 |
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| marekd | dolphm: and i think you are referring to this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59848/ | 14:07 |
| marekd | dolphm: ok, cool. | 14:07 |
| dolphm | marekd: but the flattening into names usable by python has been around since essex, and i think lives in keystone.common.wsgi somehwere | 14:07 |
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| marekd | dolphm: i susspect normalize_dict() which probably has something in common with wsgi. | 14:07 |
| dolphm | marekd: yeah, that's it | 14:08 |
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| marekd | ok, so i will not update anypatches for now, will wait for Steve to merge specs and then redefine parameters' names. I guess this will be the only change, right? | 14:09 |
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| dolphm | marekd: that's the big one -- i'm looking at it now and making a few small changes | 14:10 |
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| dolphm | marekd: what was the motivation behind adding regular expressions? i must have missed that conversation | 14:14 |
| dolphm | they sort of came out of nowhere afaict | 14:14 |
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| marekd | dolphm: i think just bigger flexibility... | 14:15 |
| marekd | that was the idea behind that | 14:15 |
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| marekd | it's not that bad if you think about it...if you have structure in your company for instance DEPARTAMENT-GROUP-SECTION and this is what you get in your saml assertion you can easily write rules for whole departament, just group or section. | 14:17 |
| marekd | Steve and I had a short conversation how should the rules be applied and in wat order - whether they should be prioritized, OR'ed or sth else. | 14:18 |
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| marekd | s/wat/what/ | 14:18 |
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| dolphm | marekd: i assumed order was significant since we're using a list | 14:19 |
| dolphm | marekd: one of the subtle benefits over a very granular api | 14:19 |
| dolphm | none of the mapping examples are even close to valid json lol | 14:21 |
| marekd | dolphm: whoa, don't you think it would be error prone? | 14:22 |
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| dolphm | marekd: ? | 14:22 |
| marekd | i can imagine that most of the people would not pay attention to this. It's fine when you create a new set of rules, for new IdP -> some will test it and remember that ordering matter. But what about situation, where you have set of rules, and few months later somebody adds new rule. I bet he will just add it to the end.... | 14:24 |
| marekd | i would rather make a requirement for priority parameter. That would make admins pay attention to this..no prio, no HTTP 200 (400 instead) | 14:25 |
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| dolphm | marekd: how do you handle conflicting priorities? order of appearance? | 14:26 |
| marekd | dolphm: when i have two rules matching and with the same priority? | 14:27 |
| dolphm | marekd: sure | 14:27 |
| marekd | dolphm: because the idea behind priorities would be : no matter in what order you added your rules, i will start checking rules with highest priorities. | 14:27 |
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| marekd | dolphm: ok, so then either we put user in the two groups, or raise an error. But it's not something i am really sure about. | 14:29 |
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| marekd | but if we make engine 'first-matched, first served' how will you handle situation, where due to the fact that i work in the IT department i should be able to acces project A and working at the experiment ATLAS i should be able to boot VM in the ATLAS project... | 14:30 |
| dolphm | marekd: maybe i didn't think this through then -- so you need to always apply all rules to every assertion? | 14:31 |
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| dolphm | marekd: or, maybe i'm thinking about it all wrong. in the mapping implementation, what are you walking in the "outer loop" -- assertions or rules? | 14:32 |
| marekd | dolphm: very likely. | 14:32 |
| marekd | dolphm: sorry i need to leave in 5 minutes. Can we get back to this in couple of hours? | 14:32 |
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| dolphm | marekd: absolutely | 14:32 |
| marekd | cool, I think Steve would also be interested. | 14:33 |
| dolphm | ++ | 14:33 |
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| marekd | see ya | 14:33 |
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| avishay | anyone here good with sqlalchemy? ran into a problem and can't figure it out | 15:09 |
| avishay | i created a new table, but the relationship i put there isn't working as i expected | 15:09 |
| avishay | https://github.com/avishay-traeger/volume-replication/blob/master/cinder/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L472 | 15:09 |
| avishay | i expected the relationship to return two volumes, but it has only one | 15:09 |
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| marekd | avishay: how do you fetch this data? | 15:49 |
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| avishay | marekd: https://github.com/avishay-traeger/volume-replication/blob/master/cinder/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L2685 | 15:50 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: thanks for the api spec update | 15:56 |
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| marekd | avishay: hm, i used relationship not so long ago and it worked for me (though, i didn't have so complex relationships). but I put foreign_keys=[ModelClass.pk] instead. | 15:57 |
| marekd | avishay: + i assume you checked that volumes is a valid object, not some 'proxy' that you should iterate on? | 15:57 |
| marekd | avishay: i don't remember what's the default behaviour. | 15:57 |
| avishay | marekd: it's a volume object, and i was able to access ['id']...i didn't try to iterate - is that how it works? | 15:58 |
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| avishay | marekd: i tried volumes[0] and that returned an error, volumes['id'] returned one if the volume's ids | 15:59 |
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| marekd | avishay: https://gist.github.com/zaccone/8024982 snipet from sqlalchemy docs, they did iterate over it, but since you got volume object you probably don't need to do that. I would then look for bugs in this join, any maybe try the Sql queries manually, if possible? | 16:10 |
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| avishay | marekd: yea i'm a bit new to this, but i'll try - thanks for the effort! | 16:12 |
| dolphm | stannie: marekd: o/ | 16:13 |
| marekd | \o | 16:13 |
| dolphm | stannie: whoops! my bad | 16:13 |
| dolphm | marekd: o/ | 16:13 |
| dolphm | i guess stevemar dropped? meant to ping him | 16:13 |
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| marekd | dolphm: i thought so :-) | 16:13 |
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| marekd | dolphm: yep, stevemar seems to be offline now. I was just opening mapping specs. | 16:14 |
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| dolphm | marekd: if you saw stevemar's last proposal, i didn't change anything that would impact implementation | 16:17 |
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| samuelqueiroz | Hi, I'm working with keystone and I'd like to know if both APIs v2.0 and v3 use the same policy.json file | 16:17 |
| marekd | the main change I saw was OS-IDP -> OS-FEDERATION :-) | 16:17 |
| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: they use the same file, but not the same rules in that file | 16:18 |
| marekd | dolphm: or rather the first i noticed. | 16:18 |
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| marekd | dolphm: let me reread it once again. | 16:18 |
| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: the file really covers v3 and it's extensions, whereas v2 is just a boolean 'is_admin' or not across all calls (there's no granularity available via policy.json) | 16:18 |
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| dolphm | marekd: steve actually made that change, but we agreed to it the other day | 16:19 |
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| samuelqueiroz | dolphm: Thanks. In fact, I'd like to add a restriction whne listing users for a specified project | 16:20 |
| samuelqueiroz | This method is specified in v3 http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-identity.html#Project_Calls | 16:20 |
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| samuelqueiroz | But when I call it, I get 404 Resource Not Found | 16:21 |
| samuelqueiroz | May it be a bug ? | 16:21 |
| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: i don't think that call actually exists -- it was proposed and then abandoned... | 16:21 |
| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: the source of truth for the API is here https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md | 16:21 |
| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: i think the call you're looking at was superseded by this one https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#list-effective-role-assignments-get-role_assignments which is available in havana | 16:22 |
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| samuelqueiroz | dolphm: Great! So with this new concept of role_assignments we can define a whole context where a user having that role can do | 16:29 |
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| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: that API is read-only | 16:29 |
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| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: it just gives you a comprehensive overview of all role assignments in the system; the actual assignments have their own CRUD APIs | 16:29 |
| samuelqueiroz | dolphm: Ok. In fact, I've a role proj_admin and I'd like to allow a project admin to list all users from the project he admins | 16:31 |
| tellesnobrega | bknudson: hi, i tried to grant admin user, admin role on the default domain but i get that i need authentication to do that. i have tried with project scoped token and domain scoped. I did that before, but i updated the code recently | 16:31 |
| samuelqueiroz | dolphm: So if I had a call in the API (like that one that was abandoned), I could easily do this | 16:32 |
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| samuelqueiroz | dolphm: By setting something like 'role:proj_admin and project_id:%(project_id)s' | 16:32 |
| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: you should be able to get the same effect using /role_assignments and perhaps use some examples from https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json | 16:33 |
| bknudson | tellesnobrega: you think a change to the code broke granting a role to a domain? | 16:33 |
| dolphm | samuelqueiroz: checkout admin_on_project_filter specifically | 16:33 |
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| tellesnobrega | bknudson: im not sure, but for some reason i just cant do it anymore | 16:33 |
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| samuelqueiroz | dolphm: Ok, I'm gonna take a look at this. Thanks | 16:34 |
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| tellesnobrega | bknudson: i tried with a project scoped token, with which i can list_user and do lots of other admin_required operations, but i cant grant a role to a domain | 16:36 |
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| bknudson | tellesnobrega: there was a change that went in recently to policy | 16:38 |
| bknudson | I'll try it myself since I had this working just yesterday | 16:38 |
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| tellesnobrega | bknudson: thanks | 16:38 |
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| marekd | dolphm: ok, i think that actually the mechanism 'first matched, first granted' can be fine, but then we should provide relatively easy way for users to order their rules. And evangelize everybody, the they should build their rule sets from most specific to generic ones. | 16:41 |
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| marekd | dolphm: hence either order in the rules list or some priorities and priority queue (or similar data structure) when processing the assertion. | 16:41 |
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| dolphm | marekd: is the implication there that an assertion will only have one mapping rule applied? | 16:42 |
| marekd | in my ^^^ ? | 16:42 |
| marekd | dolphm: yes. | 16:43 |
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| marekd | dolphm: but you pointed out one good thing : no need to always iterate on all rules. | 16:43 |
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| marekd | dolphm: and when i think about rulesets of 100 rules and say 20 000 (-> assertions once a day, two) the numbers are not so small... | 16:44 |
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| marekd | 20 000 users i mean. | 16:45 |
| marekd | meant | 16:45 |
| dolphm | marekd: we can utilize dogpile too | 16:45 |
| bknudson | tellesnobrega: I tried my instructions again and they worked fine. | 16:45 |
| dolphm | marekd: to cache mapping outputs, assuming two sets of assertions would regularly be identical | 16:45 |
| marekd | dolphm: for caching? | 16:45 |
| dolphm | marekd: yes | 16:45 |
| tellesnobrega | bknudson: thanks, i will try to see what i did wrong | 16:45 |
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| tellesnobrega | bknudson: the token that you use, did you get as project scoped token/ | 16:46 |
| tellesnobrega | ? | 16:46 |
| bknudson | tellesnobrega: I got a domain-scoped token | 16:47 |
| bknudson | oh, when I did the grant? | 16:47 |
| stevemar | ayoung: remove the -2 dude, or give an explanation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61897/ | 16:47 |
| bknudson | it's a project-scoped token | 16:48 |
| ayoung | stevemar, he's had a LOT of explanation from me. | 16:48 |
| marekd | dolphm: let me put it the other way: how do like idea of users (no matter - local, federated) are members of many groups? | 16:48 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I typod the review message above the -2 | 16:48 |
| bknudson | tellesnobrega: scoped to the 'demo' project ... I did "export OS_TENANT_NAME=demo" and then "keystone token-get" to get the token and did a grant with that token. | 16:48 |
| ayoung | "Remove the service ids." | 16:49 |
| stevemar | ayoung, i don't see it on there :O | 16:49 |
| ayoung | stevemar, the review message was "looks good to me" as I hit +2 instead of -2 | 16:49 |
| stevemar | ayoung: "why", the sake of us who didn't see your convo | 16:49 |
| stevemar | ayoung, i got all that, just wondering why | 16:50 |
| ayoung | stevemar becasue he was ignoring all of the design discussion in the BP and the mailing list. | 16:50 |
| stevemar | (why remove the service ids) | 16:50 |
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| ayoung | service IDs have no business in there | 16:50 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: we should quit after finding the first rule match? | 16:50 |
| ayoung | the problem with roles is that they need to be unambiguous. A service is just an arbitrary something else out there that is going to consume a role | 16:51 |
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| zoresvit | Hello. Are there any ongoing blueprints to implement Keystone Identity API v3 features in keystone/openstack clients? | 16:51 |
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| stevemar | zoresvit: openstackclient has them | 16:52 |
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| tellesnobrega | bknudson: i'm getting a token using this http://paste.openstack.org/show/55341/ and this command export TOKEN=`curl -si -d @token-project.json -H "Content-type: application/json" http://localhost:35357/v3/auth/tokens | awk '/X-Subject-Token/ {print $2}'` | 16:53 |
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| zoresvit | stevemar: when I try to create 'consumer' I get "UnknownAttribute: consumers". I've checked keystoneclient v3 -- it doesn't include consumers in its client. | 16:53 |
| marekd | stevemar: what do you think about putting federated users into multiple keystone groups instead of just one? | 16:53 |
| tellesnobrega | bknudson: as i did before, but for some reason when i try to grant a role to a user in a domain it says that i need authentication | 16:53 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, here is the deal. I discussed this with him nad explained it in detail, many, many times. And he ignored me. And kept making arguments that is basically pushing for a solution to a probkem that Keystone, and Open Stack, does not have, for his Organizations view of how Keystone should work. I provided him with a cleaner, more approriate alternative. I'm done with the conversation until he implements the simpler appr | 16:54 |
| ayoung | oach first: no-one else needs this. | 16:54 |
| zoresvit | So it appears that it doesn't -- openstackclient only has stubs that are not implemented in keystoneclient. | 16:54 |
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| bknudson | tellesnobrega: looks like that should be equivalent to what I did. | 16:54 |
| stevemar | marekd, dolphm_, we quit after finding a match for the rule? | 16:54 |
| tellesnobrega | bknudson: yes, and it did work before, i will try to reset the devstack here | 16:55 |
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| stevemar | zoresvit, correct, consumers are not yet in keystoneclient, so those are only stubs. but the other identity stuff should work (users/projects, etc) | 16:55 |
| marekd | stevemar: dolphm: so federated user can only be a member of one group | 16:56 |
| dolphm | stevemar: i don't know, i'm still trying to wrap my head around it :( | 16:56 |
| stevemar | marekd, i'm okay with that | 16:56 |
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| zoresvit | stevemar: yeah, most of it does work, but oauth related stuff doesn't :) Is it reasonable to start working on this as a separate blueprint? | 16:56 |
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| dolphm | i'm starting to lean towards all rules should be applied to all assertions, and a set of groups will be the output of mapping | 16:57 |
| stevemar | did i just have lag on irc? | 16:57 |
| marekd | dolphm: sorry if i made a mess with your vision about that :-) | 16:57 |
| dolphm | stevemar: probably | 16:57 |
| dolphm | marekd: no no-- i want to do the right thing, i just want to understand why what we're doing is the right thing :) | 16:58 |
| stevemar | zoresvit: for keystoneclient? i've already submitted a patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60820/ | 16:58 |
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| zoresvit | stevemar: ohh, awesome. Will take a look. Thanks! | 16:59 |
| dolphm | marekd: i'm trying to think through user expectations, and i know we're going to get the same bug reports against both the priority-based solution and the order of appearance based solution... | 16:59 |
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| dolphm | marekd: matrixing the whole thing is a little CPU heavy at scale, but that seems like a small price to pay for what seems to be the most powerful, and possibly most intuitive approach? | 16:59 |
| stevemar | ayoung: thats more than fair! I just didn't get ANY of that from gerrit :) all i got was "get rid of this" "why?" ... eom | 17:00 |
| dolphm | this could also be pluggable so a service provider could implement their own algorithm ;) | 17:00 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I'll put it in a follow on commit message, so that any other reviewers understand. | 17:00 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ayoung: are ya'll still talking about the namespaced roles thing? | 17:01 |
| dolphm | i haven't really been following | 17:01 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yes | 17:01 |
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| marekd | dolphm: i know, but when you introduce priorities, you make users pay attention to it. when you write in docs that users should take care of ordering, you cannot check whether the new rule was added at the end because the admin didn't read the docs, or it was his intention. | 17:01 |
| ayoung | dolphm, the author has repeatedly ignored me on that issue, and I was getting tired of arguing it. I -2ed the API reveiw to keep him from doing an end run around me. | 17:01 |
| dolphm | stevemar: what's the short version of the reasoning behind ayoung's -2? (not asking ayoung because i know he's tired of explaining it lol) | 17:01 |
| dolphm | oh, well there we go | 17:01 |
| ayoung | serviceIDs have no business in a role defintion | 17:01 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i agree | 17:02 |
| ayoung | it is one arbitrary scope | 17:02 |
| ayoung | dolphm, thanks | 17:02 |
| dolphm | ayoung: should i add another -2? | 17:02 |
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| ayoung | nah...one will hold it, but stevemar is right in that I should give an explanation to other reviewers | 17:02 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i untargetted the BP from icehouse-m2 | 17:02 |
| ayoung | coo; | 17:02 |
| dolphm | i think he targeted it himself; i got called out by ttx because it didn't have a priority :P | 17:03 |
| stevemar | ayoung: thx! i also added a comment about how i feel it has no business being an extension | 17:03 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, BTW, I posted the client change that you were so dead set against yesterday. Review is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62801/ I think it is an ugly-but-necessary approach. If you are going to nix it, please provide a solution that will work in its place and I will work toward implementing it. | 17:04 |
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| tiamar | dolphm, ayoung: is the keystone team accepting defects for V2.0? I have one for users pagination - for keystone and dash. | 17:05 |
| ayoung | tiamar, did you file it as a bug? Or do you mean you have a fix? | 17:05 |
| tiamar | I would file a bug and submit a fix later. | 17:06 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: i'd rather not add pagination to v2, even though the spec claims to support it | 17:07 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: there's surely a bug marked Won't Fix somewhere if you dig around | 17:07 |
| dolphm | tiamar: (it's not really a bug, more so a wishlist feature against a deprecated API) | 17:07 |
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| tiamar | dolphm: yeah, but I will have to fix it anyway...does it change things? | 17:08 |
| dolphm | ayoung: stevemar: added a -2'd with a bit of explanation (and quoted ayoung for kicks) | 17:08 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: i don't understand the statement or question | 17:08 |
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| sileht | markmc, I have updated my patches about the oslo.messaging notification listener, thanks for your help and your review ! | 17:09 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i saw that, and when i read "marked BP as ..." i thought you mentioned marekd | 17:10 |
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| markmc | sileht, np, and thanks for your patience - will review again ASAP | 17:10 |
| sileht | markmc, cool thx | 17:10 |
| dolphm | sileht: link? | 17:10 |
| ayoung | stevemar, tell me if my rant in the review now makes sense? | 17:10 |
| ayoung | It is a little abbreviated, but it should give you a sense of how I recommended he should proceed | 17:11 |
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| tiamar | dolphm:sorry - although it may be marked as "won't fix" I will have to fix it and I could submit the fix - although it will require review effort, would this be interesting forkeystone? | 17:12 |
| sileht | dolphm, this is the topic: http://bit.ly/1bdC7XS | 17:12 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, your chapter is a little weak in character development (jk). It's good and solid, lots of reasons and explanations. If i could +1 a comment, i would. | 17:13 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, the thing is, if he had just listened, it would have progressed weeks ago | 17:14 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: i'm interested as to why you "have to" implement pagination on a deprecated API? | 17:16 |
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| dolphm | sileht: thanks | 17:17 |
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| tiamar | dolphm: because it does not show the entire user list in horizon and we (my company) still support v2.0 | 17:18 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, becausse we have no v2-v3 interop story yet | 17:22 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: is it just truncating the list? | 17:23 |
| dolphm | tiamar: we do want to add a configurable limit in keystone.conf that applies to list_users and list_projects | 17:23 |
| dolphm | tiamar: that could apply equally to v2 | 17:23 |
| tiamar | dolphm: it would be equal to _format_project_list in https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/identity/controllers.py#L146 | 17:24 |
| tiamar | dolphm, there is a BP or etherpad for that? | 17:24 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/list-limiting | 17:30 |
| tiamar | dolphm, thanks! | 17:30 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: some work was done there in havana, but it needs to be restored and probably rebased quite a bit to get it going again | 17:31 |
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| dolphm | tiamar: happy to re-assign it if you want to tackle it | 17:31 |
| marekd | dolphm: stevemar: sorry guys i am in a rush today. I will drop you an e-mail about my thoughts concerning rules mapping engine. | 17:32 |
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| tiamar | dolphm, first I have to ..ugh...report it to management. | 17:32 |
| dolphm_ | tiamar: =) | 17:32 |
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| stevemar_afk | marekd, cool, take your time | 17:34 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, Do we need to continue to support older versions of python-keystoneclient, or can we assume that everyone has moved forward to the latest? | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, your comment confused me, when i say, "we should have done this earlier", i meant when we pushed idp | 18:41 |
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| lifeless | meep- http://www.slideshare.net/daniel_bilar/acoustic-20131218 | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm, unless we drop support for ALL old versions of keystone client, we are going to be stuck with supporting one and only one version of the identity API per keystone server. | 18:43 |
| ayoung | Discovery will only help for future clients, not existing ones | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | and existing clients expect the endpoint to come back with the version string on it. | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | so if we provide a version of the client that does proper discovery, and we update the endpoints to remove the version strings, it will break all existing clients. | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, add to that the fact that doing discovery after we've already decided to do the v3 api is a wasted round trip. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, you around> | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, morganfainberg please take a look here and tell me if I am off base https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62801/ | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, i don't disagree with it, but i don't disagree with dolph either | 18:57 |
| stevemar | ayoung, we could use it as a temporary fix until we have 'proper' version discovery, as dolph suggests | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, how is version discovery going to help? | 18:59 |
| ayoung | version discovery will ponly be for new clients | 18:59 |
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| luisg | bnemec, dhellmann if u get a chance i have addressed all review comments on the t9n patches, i'd like to see if we can start sync'ing so they can start getting some live test time | 19:00 |
| ayoung | and this is more than just Keystone, since all of the clients we have out there do their own thing | 19:00 |
| ayoung | stevemar, about the only thing we could do is determine from the type of token requested (v2 vs v3) to return a different set of endpoints. | 19:00 |
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| ayoung | and that would mess someone up somewhere as well, I am sure | 19:01 |
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| ayoung | so, yes, it is a "temporary" fix, so long as we have to support older clients. | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, i think dolph has some solution in mind, otherwise he wouldn't just mention version discovery for no reason. but we need more info on what that is | 19:05 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, here is how discovery works right now: you do GET $AUTH_URL and look at the versions collections. Based on that, you know what is supported. Then you use that to decide how to get a token. Along with thetoken you get a service catalog, and that is what the client uses for any additional keystone calls. But the endpoints in the catalog all have /v2.0 on them. OK, so, lets say that they didn't. Are you telling me | 19:08 |
| ayoung | I need to do another GET call to Keystone to see what version of the API is supported? | 19:08 |
| ayoung | And...here's the thin, we *still* need to compose the URL | 19:08 |
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| ayoung | sure, we know where http://hostname:35357/v3 is, but we don't enumerate the submodules, So i can't follow a hyperlink to do GET http://hostname:35357/v3/users | 19:09 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, you are in and out...did you get that last? | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, sec, was reviewing things.. | 19:11 |
| ayoung | stevemar, NP, I'm only arguing with you because dolphm is not responding anyway...and because I want more people to understand the problem set. If there is a cleaner solution, I'd be happy to take it. | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, glad to be a sounding board, my connection to freenode has been funny all day, but i got your messages | 19:13 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, so what I am trying to do is create a client that will work around the current limitations, but not tie us to them | 19:14 |
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| ayoung | about the only thing it does which is objectionable is that it guesses that the v3 API will have /v3 at the end of its url. But that is documented in the v3 api spec, as is the rest of the a-priori knowledge | 19:14 |
| stevemar | so if you call the url w/o the endpoint, keystone will return versions is supports right? and you don't like that because of the extra calls? | 19:16 |
| bnemec | luisg: Yeah, I'll try to get back to that today. Definitely don't want to leave it until i-3 again and have something crop up late. | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i ma here now | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, whats up? | 19:17 |
| stevemar | what if caching is used? | 19:17 |
| luisg | bnemec, thanks! | 19:17 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg I'm having a difference of opinion with dolph and trying to get people to understand why I think we need to implement an ugly hack | 19:17 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg start reading at 13:47 EST :P | 19:17 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62801/ morganfainberg | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar what is that time in UTC? :P | 19:18 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, start with the commit message on that review | 19:18 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, looking now. | 19:18 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ah this is related to some of the talk w/ termie yesterday | 19:19 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, related, but more tactical. I did steal a regex from his OCL though for this | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | which i take spawned from some discussions w/ dolphm | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | ? | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | what i saw of OCL was interesting | 19:20 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, so OCL is probably going to merge in with the new CLI, but it won't solve this problem | 19:20 |
| ayoung | mainly, how do we get people to use the V3 api when all of the tools still are expecting v2.0 endpoints from the service catalog | 19:21 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, I am inclined to agree that the 1st step is proper version discovery and supporting unversioned endpoints, this mechanism likely should go in at the same time as the documentation that says "use proper version discovery, but we've provided some backwards compat for you for now to ease the pain". | 19:25 |
| ayoung | stevemar, as far as caching goes, that is a potential optimization. But it means that the data out of the server can get out of sync, and so we will have to deal with cache invalidations as well, which can lead to stampeding herd effect. | 19:26 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, again, discovery is no panacea | 19:26 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, how would you expect version discover to solve this problem? Say a service catalog does return an unversioned endpoint? Then what? Another GET request> | 19:27 |
| ayoung | that get request is useles | 19:27 |
| ayoung | s | 19:27 |
| ayoung | we already know what versions the server supports from the initial discovery | 19:27 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i stated what my side of the argument "smart client vs smarter server" yesterday | 19:27 |
| ayoung | and that get request just confirms it, but doesn't give us a hyperlink to the resource anyway, so we are still vipolating discoverability | 19:28 |
| ayoung | heh vipolating...I like that word | 19:28 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, so what would a smarter server look like? | 19:28 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, you have to assume keystone isn't the endpoint. | 19:29 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if you had an unversioned cinder endpoin, you would need another get | 19:29 |
| morganfainberg | to cinder to know | 19:29 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, you mean that the AUTH_URL points to a different server than I get back in the service catalog? | 19:29 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, what you're proposing is "we know something so do magic" | 19:29 |
| ayoung | we do that *everywhere* | 19:29 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that is my point | 19:30 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, and if you are working outside the scope of keystone, you'd be doing the request again | 19:30 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I can't drill down from http://hostname:35357 to find the URL to do GET users | 19:30 |
| ayoung | If we are going to do discovery, do it for real. But lets splint the broken foot before we try to build the bionic man here, shall we? | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, my concern is that the splint will become the standard and we're now moving it down the line | 19:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so we get a deformed foot in the process | 19:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or to use a car metaphor...no no i wont | 19:32 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, it is an acknowledgement of an existing standard | 19:32 |
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| ayoung | we already state that the API must havce V3 in it | 19:32 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, again, i argue you're saying "i know something so do magic and skip a step" | 19:33 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#users-v3users | 19:33 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, don't you try to outpurist me | 19:34 |
| ayoung | I'm the one that submited the content-type review,which was also -2ed | 19:34 |
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| ayoung | we do magic everywhere, already | 19:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and it bothers me | 19:34 |
| ayoung | this is merely acknowledging it | 19:34 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, this at least breaks the chain of child abuse. We will let the v2 and v3 apis co-exist, and *not require* the version in the endpoitns | 19:35 |
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| ayoung | that is the big thing about this patch...the versions don't need to be in the endpoints | 19:36 |
| ayoung | we've alrady donbe discovery, we know that the version is supported | 19:36 |
| ayoung | this is not magic, it is putting 2 and 2 together to get 4 | 19:36 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so, smarter server - client passes in "accept: unversioned endpoints" we provide them | 19:37 |
| morganfainberg | but that isn't your argument here, just as a response to your question | 19:37 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, still requires a new client | 19:37 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we can do lots of things, but why? Why be difficult about this, when it is merely to admit our mistake, make the fix, and let us move on? | 19:38 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, to be fair, i wouldn't block this review. | 19:38 |
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| ayoung | I see no benefit in doing discovery twice | 19:38 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i also wouldn't be putting a +2 on it. | 19:38 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, then we cannot use the v3 api | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, its the case of auth_url not being the same as the identity endpoint. | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and a generic way of handling that vs. magic | 19:39 |
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| ayoung | no, we did discovery, and asked for a v3 token...then the server goes and hands us a v2 only endpoint? | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, again, this approach makes my skin crawl. i wouldn't block it. | 19:39 |
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| ayoung | worst case scenario, they did that, and user gets a 404 doing a v3 operation that is not supported | 19:40 |
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| ayoung | which is brain dead to worry about | 19:40 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the simpler approach is to return different endpoints for each version | 19:41 |
| ayoung | But you can't tell the user that they can use only v2 or v3, so you need to return both | 19:41 |
| ayoung | so now we've just doubled the size of our service catalog | 19:41 |
| dstanek | ayoung: which review was the content-type one? | 19:42 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29105/ | 19:42 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ok, fwiw, your client fix doesn't solve the issue of only returning v2.0 urls | 19:45 |
| ayoung | dstanek, morganfainberg here's the thing..we are dealoing with automated processes here, not humans. THat means that they are going to have to be explicitly told up front what to do. An automated process that has never seen the v4 api is not going to be able to learn how to use it. That is why we do specs, and with specs, we say "you can assume that this is how things are going to be." | 19:45 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, now that is useful feedback | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if you return /v2.0 the v3one will be v2.0/v2 | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | erm v2.0/v3 | 19:45 |
| ayoung | nope | 19:45 |
| ayoung | first I chop /v2.0 | 19:45 |
| ayoung | then I add /v3 | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | oh the OCL regex | 19:45 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, it is tested by exsting tests | 19:46 |
| ayoung | yeah, so it will work regardless of the version information, present or not | 19:46 |
| ayoung | v3.2 | 19:46 |
| morganfainberg | so you're advocating we present unversioned endpoints no-matter-what? | 19:46 |
| morganfainberg | and do the magic in the client to handle that | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | well, make it conform | 19:47 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm arguing that we have to assume the v2.0 needs to be there for the foreseeable future, or all of the v2.0 clients will break. I say that we can't deprecate the v2 api until we have a path for people to migrate over to v3, and they can't do that today because there is no iunterop | 19:51 |
| ayoung | so we deal | 19:51 |
| ayoung | we say "ok, we'll handle the v2.0 in the endpoint urls" | 19:52 |
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| ayoung | but they don't need to be there in the future | 19:52 |
| dstanek | ayoung: morganfainberg: here's what i was thinking yesterday http://paste.openstack.org/show/55368/ | 19:52 |
| ayoung | once v2 is not only deprecated, but removed, then we say "no more versions on the urls ever | 19:52 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, Heh, and they say *I* try to boil the ocean | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so... what happens if someone "versions" their un-versioned endpoint [this is a stretch, but deployers will do weird things.. like <deployment Xv2> | 19:53 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that breaks the spec | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, does it? | 19:53 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#users-v3users | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | what stops someone from having keystone/v2.0/v2.0 as a valid v2.0 endpoint | 19:54 |
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| ayoung | nothing | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | or keystone/v3/v2.0 | 19:54 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, and it will work | 19:54 |
| dstanek | ayoung: do you think what i'm sugesting is too hard to do? | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | not in the unversioned version | 19:54 |
| ayoung | that will work, too, with my hack | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. if you put the un"versioned" version in you would chop it off and end up with keystone/v2.0 | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | not keystone/v2.0/v2.0 | 19:54 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I think it is probably the right thing to do. No good dead goes unpunished, though | 19:55 |
| morganfainberg | or keystone/v3 instead of keystone/v2.0/v3 | 19:55 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, you still have to have one endpoint that works with both v2 and v3 | 19:55 |
| dstanek | ayoung: maybe i'll hack on a poc in a bit | 19:55 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, fine, but if [I am arguing for completeness here not throwout your fix] my "both versions" endpoint ends in v<xxx> it gets stripped | 19:55 |
| ayoung | dstanek, that would be awesome | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | with your hack | 19:56 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, remember, the existing clients do not append v2.0 on | 19:56 |
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| ayoung | yhrey just accept what they are presented | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | ok, you're writing a compatibility hack | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | that strips V<xxx> off | 19:56 |
| dstanek | the other day dolphm said that he thought there may already be mimetypes specified for keystone somewhere - anyone know it that's true? | 19:56 |
| luisg | mriedem, are bps required even for oslo syncronization patches ? | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | if you move to an unversioned endpoint that has vxxx as the last element, it is broken | 19:57 |
| ayoung | dstanek, if they are anywhere, it would be in the v2.0 API docs | 19:57 |
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| mriedem | luisg: depends on what the sync is for, i.e. if it's for new code like what bpokorny brought over for the audit middleware stuff in nova, yeah a blueprint was required | 19:57 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/tree/master/openstack-identity-api/v2.0/src/docbkx dstanek somewhere in the is my guess | 19:57 |
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| mriedem | luisg: something has to be lined up for the sync, we don't just sync to sync | 19:57 |
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| luisg | mriedem, what about for the existing t9n stuff that was modified in oslo? | 19:58 |
| ayoung | dstanek, lets talk through your proposal | 19:58 |
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| mriedem | luisg: e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54365/ | 19:58 |
| mriedem | luisg: if it's fixing bugs, then no, a bp isn't required | 19:58 |
| ayoung | dstanek, the POST to get a token would still return the same set of endpoints. | 19:59 |
| mriedem | i18n was disabled late in havana because of a bug from what i recall | 19:59 |
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| mriedem | luisg: so if that bug is fixed in oslo now, and nova needs that synced to turn on lazy gettext, then no bp is required | 19:59 |
| dstanek | ayoung: yes the ones that are configured | 19:59 |
| luisg | right, k good to know...there is some new stuff for log translation that never made it into havana, so that will prob need a bp | 19:59 |
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| luisg | thx | 19:59 |
| mriedem | luisg: in that case i would probably agree | 19:59 |
| luisg | k | 19:59 |
| ayoung | dstanek, a couple things to keep in mind. One, this would not retro fit V21 onto v3. It would befor v3 moving forward only | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i need food | 20:00 |
| luisg | mriedem, btw who approves those? | 20:00 |
| luisg | who do i list as approver | 20:00 |
| dstanek | ayoung: the one problem is that eventually 2.0 will completely go away and old clients may stop working unless a deployer does some sort of apache rewrite | 20:00 |
| ayoung | the URLs are different for v2, you won't get them to match | 20:00 |
| mriedem | luisg: blueprints? | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'll be back and we can talk some more. | 20:00 |
| luisg | y | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | but i see a lazy approach (esp. w/ rewrite) | 20:00 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I realized I hadn't eaten myself | 20:00 |
| luisg | bps for the oslo syncs | 20:00 |
| ayoung | nomming now | 20:00 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, we need to make sure it's addressed | 20:00 |
| mriedem | luisg: nova blueprints are approved by the PTL following the process here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 20:00 |
| dstanek | ayoung: right v3 and forward only | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, anyways go food | 20:00 |
| luisg | mriedem, k ty | 20:01 |
| ayoung | dstanek, so /v3 goes away...lets take it from there | 20:01 |
| mriedem | luisg: there is a note for nova bp's here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Priority | 20:01 |
| mriedem | essentially it takes 2 nova cores to raise a nova bp above low priority | 20:01 |
| ayoung | clients that append /v3 still automagically work | 20:01 |
| ayoung | we treat it as grandfathered approach | 20:01 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i haven't looked to deeply into the client code, but i suspect that it's probably hard coding at least some of the URLs instead of just following the links | 20:01 |
| luisg | got it | 20:01 |
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| mriedem | luisg: also https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewChecklist#Oslo_Syncing_Checklist | 20:02 |
| ayoung | all other clients that do not submit an accepts header get LATEST | 20:02 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, so forget the client. What you are doing is fixing the server, and you are on track | 20:02 |
| ayoung | dstanek, if a user wants to explicitly lock to a version of the API, then they set the accepts header | 20:02 |
| annegentle_ | dstanek: http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/2.0/content/Versions-d1e472.html | 20:03 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i say that because v4 may have different URLs and that's ok because the client discovers them | 20:03 |
| ayoung | dstanek, we should not change the URLS ever again | 20:03 |
| dstanek | annegentle_: muchas gracias! | 20:03 |
| ayoung | the resources stay the same, what changes is how we interact with them | 20:03 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, think of it like a link from a browser | 20:03 |
| ayoung | the link shouldn';t be broken, but it should always show the most up to date version | 20:04 |
| dstanek | ayoung: maybe or maybe not; but that's the freedom that rest gives you | 20:04 |
| ayoung | dstanek, as far as how to morph the state of the system, that needs schemas. Or, as they are called in HTML, forms | 20:04 |
| ayoung | dstanek, you can alwyas do a redirect, true | 20:04 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: it's like google - i go to google.com and search; the links it provides are not nearly as important as the fact they they eventually end up on the site i wanted | 20:05 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: going to put that stuff on an Etherpad | 20:06 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, right, but when you go to google, you implicitly say "give me the latest" | 20:07 |
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| ayoung | versioning is more like "cached version" | 20:07 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, for example, if I tell google to give me the cached version, I get http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RigIYAIeAUUJ:adam.younglogic.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | 20:09 |
| dstanek | ayoung: what we really need to formalize in the api is the relations and not the urls | 20:09 |
| ayoung | dstanek, here's my take | 20:09 |
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| ayoung | we need a wayto lock in a functioning set of url/methods | 20:10 |
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| ayoung | LATEST is undocumente | 20:10 |
| ayoung | d | 20:10 |
| ayoung | by V3.2 is basicall LAtest minus a few minor features | 20:10 |
| ayoung | and v3.1 is minus a few more | 20:10 |
| ayoung | when ever we add values to a form, we modify the version | 20:11 |
| ayoung | whenever we get stricter about what we accept, | 20:11 |
| ayoung | whenever we change what a cached response would expect, we have changed the version | 20:11 |
| ayoung | bug fixes | 20:11 |
| ayoung | all of these things | 20:11 |
| ayoung | we don't support every version in perpetuity | 20:12 |
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| ayoung | what we do is say "ok, this version is different enough from the previous that we need to give people some time to adjust" | 20:12 |
| ayoung | but I think explicit version strings lock people in prematurely | 20:12 |
| ayoung | whereas requireing an explicit version string breaks an existing client, and just gives you a hack to work around it | 20:13 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: we also have a bit of room there because we can always add more data to the resource representations as long as we don't remove or repurpose existing data | 20:13 |
| ayoung | dstanek, what termie is trying to do with OCL is make an automated process that capturesthe heuristics you and I would use if confronted by a change on a website | 20:14 |
| ayoung | dstanek, and so long as we don't make it mandatory | 20:14 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, the short of it is: this is a HARD problem. And the solution will be evolutionary. We don't have a clue what it is going to look like, cuz there is some epiphany we haven't had yet. I like what you arethinking, and Ithink you should keep pushing. | 20:16 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: i'll add you to the review when i post it | 20:17 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I think we do this: state that unversioned endpoints are the future. Accept that v2.0 endpoints are the present. Do not accept any versioning beyond v2.0 (maybe gradfather in v3 if pressed) and make the client dela with the unversioned endpoint, | 20:18 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i'd be interested in your thoughts on my first comment here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52448/1/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md | 20:18 |
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| ayoung | documents, lists, controllers dstanek ? Probably a model that covers 90% of the use cases..maybe more | 20:19 |
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| ayoung | there are relationship objects, too | 20:19 |
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| ayoung | you can shoehorn them into one of the other categories, but they are really a bit different from documents or lists, | 20:20 |
| stevemar | dolphm, we doing group or group_id for mapping? id is guaranteed to be unique | 20:20 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: what's an example of a relationship object? | 20:21 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, role_assignments. They are alot like documents, but really they are justpointers to other objects | 20:22 |
| ayoung | but, its a quibble | 20:22 |
| dstanek | ayoung: ah, ok. i would probably consider them documents and then a list of a user's role assignments as a collection | 20:23 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, like I said, It wouldn't be wrong, but it is more useful to think of them as separate...your conceptual model already makes some arbitrary decisions like that. Lists often have headers, and then is it a document or is it a list? | 20:24 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, I'd probably rephrase it like this | 20:24 |
| ayoung | there are two types or URLs: documents and controllers. Documents have many specializations, the most common being lists and relationships | 20:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | dolphm: i was looking the rules that you suggested, admin_on_domain_filter but i cant make it work. I changed the list_projects to admin_on_domain_target(filter) and authenticated with a domain scoped token, using admin user on default domain, but it says that i dont have permission to list projects. P.s.: I'm using the whole policy.v3cloudsample.json, just changed the list_projects | 20:30 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: does http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/2.0/content/Versions-d1e472.html actually work? | 20:34 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: not to my knowledge; once i finish what i'm working on now i'm going to make it work | 20:35 |
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| raildo_ | Hello guys, I'm solving a bug, where should I remove the version of a url of an endpoint glanceclient inside the horizon. I tested the code separated and saw it the code works correctly, but the code review in the community asked me to create unit tests. My problem is that the method (https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/api/glance.py # L40) that I should call receives as parameter a request an | 20:38 |
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| dolphm | tellesnobrega: the rule is requiring you to filter the list of projects in the query (append ?domain_id=default to get GET query) | 20:46 |
| dolphm | stevemar: my example was group ID via {"group": {"id": "abc123"}} rather than just a flat "group_id" so that it's easier to add group Name or URL later | 20:47 |
| dolphm | stevemar: (self link) | 20:47 |
| stevemar | dolphm, oh right, forgot about that... been doing too many different things today | 20:49 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: i'm happy to revise the spec if that makes sense? | 20:51 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, i'll do it, no worries | 20:54 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, recall the bug about UTC timezone issue and memcached? | 21:10 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ok i'm back | 21:11 |
| stevemar | dolphm, in the configuration file, it used to mention that timezone for memcached and keystone had to be UTC... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40378/7/doc/source/configuration.rst | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, that was fixed and ... backported? | 21:11 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm writing it up as a blog post. | 21:11 |
| dolphm | stevemar: that was a bug that was fixed ... morganfainberg good question. | 21:11 |
| stevemar | does that info/doc still exist from a grizzly pov? | 21:12 |
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| stevemar | not yet backported | 21:12 |
| dolphm | stevemar: have a link to the bug? :D | 21:12 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i was almost sure it was ... or it was pending for grizzly | 21:12 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar ^ | 21:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, how far back do we need to support Keystone clients? | 21:12 |
| stevemar | question still remains, that if someone is using grizzly right now, where can i find that specific configuration.rst file publicly? | 21:13 |
| stevemar | yeah | 21:13 |
| stevemar | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1221087 | 21:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1221087 in keystone/grizzly "Memcached token backend should work with any timezone" [Medium,In progress] | 21:13 |
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| stevemar | last comment, it's proposed for G | 21:13 |
| shardy | ayoung, dolphm: Any chance we can get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60301/ in? | 21:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: 2 service releases is i think what we decided at the summit | 21:13 |
| shardy | I have a trusts tempest test waiting on it | 21:14 |
| shardy | Also some more eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61046/ would be great :) | 21:14 |
| ayoung | dolphm, looking now | 21:14 |
| dolphm | shardy: thanks for the follow up - bumped to a +2 | 21:15 |
| shardy | dolphm: Thanks! | 21:15 |
| ayoung | me too | 21:15 |
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| shardy | ayoung: thanks! | 21:17 |
| ayoung | shardy, on the deprecation thing: pull htat out to its own internal function, and tag it as deprecated? | 21:17 |
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| shardy | ayoung: Well I pulled it into _get_data_blob, and added a fixme for a deprecation warning | 21:18 |
| shardy | that appeared to be the convention, e.g in jamielennox's multi region patch? | 21:18 |
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| shardy | How do I tag something as deprecated? | 21:18 |
| shardy | ayoung: fwiw, I think the whole deprecation thing in this case is questionable, since the existing interfaces don't work, but w/e | 21:19 |
| mriedem | dragondm: ping | 21:19 |
| dragondm | yah? | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | dragondm: this is coming up in nova now for a change i have: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/versioned-notifications | 21:19 |
| mriedem | was wondering if you've looked into the cadf stuff at all for implementing that blueprint? | 21:20 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK, so we need to support the current clients for 2 releases. So we need a v2/v3 interop strategy until then. What we can do is this: drop the version from the url, then do a second round of discovery. It will be a second round trip. Then, in two releases, we can drop the code that hacks the v2.0 off the url | 21:20 |
| mriedem | dragondm: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022595.html | 21:20 |
| morganfainberg | shardy, if the interfaces are completely deprecated and have no functionality to mirror, you could raise a polite exception. | 21:21 |
| ayoung | It means that the current client will probably do 4 round trips to keystone for any keystone call, one more than in my proposal | 21:21 |
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| dragondm | mriedem: Yah, that bp is kindof back-burnered, atm. I know some other folks were talking about taking it on, tho it will require work in Oslo. | 21:21 |
| shardy | morganfainberg: well jamielennox seemed to want both old and new interfaces to work | 21:22 |
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| shardy | so thats what I did | 21:22 |
| ayoung | we can work on caching once we have something that actually works | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | shardy, if both old and new need to work, ther eis the versionutils.deprecated decorator (oslo-incubator library) | 21:22 |
| mriedem | dragondm: do you have some details that could be dumped into the blueprint's whiteboard? | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | shardy, dstanek wrote it and we're using it in keystone proper | 21:22 |
| mriedem | dragondm: btw, i think it was bpokorny that left that comment in the whiteboard | 21:22 |
| shardy | morganfainberg: And that works in keystoneclient? | 21:22 |
| stevemar | annegentle_ ping | 21:23 |
| morganfainberg | shardy, don't know if it's been tried, dstanek ^ | 21:23 |
| annegentle_ | hey stevemar about to head out, but what's up? | 21:23 |
| stevemar | annegentle_ , no worries, i can email you | 21:23 |
| annegentle_ | stevemar: ok cool | 21:23 |
| dstanek | shardy: it's in versionutils.py of oslo - so that may need to be synced first | 21:23 |
| dragondm | mriedem: not much. There was a discussion at the summit on it, sandywalsh_ was looking into it, but there was issues with the transitional state w/ oslo.rpc vs oslo.messaging atm. | 21:23 |
| shardy | morganfainberg: If you have specific suggestions, pls do update the review and I'll post a revised version tomorrow (about to finish for today) | 21:24 |
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| shardy | dstanek: Ok, I'll take a look, thanks | 21:24 |
| dstanek | shardy: yeah, it's not there yet | 21:24 |
| dstanek | shardy: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/openstack/common/versionutils.py#n30 | 21:25 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so you'll have a blog post about the solution? | 21:25 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, to the version thing. | 21:25 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, reminds me i should finish writing a post that references it. | 21:25 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'll try to at least make the problem clear :) | 21:25 |
| dstanek | ayoung: are you still thinking that you have to do more that what i proposed? | 21:25 |
| shardy | dstanek: Ok, thanks | 21:26 |
| ayoung | dstanek, yours is a longer term solution. It involved changing the server, which means it won';t work for Havana | 21:26 |
| ayoung | I want a client today that works with the released versions correctly | 21:26 |
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| dstanek | i thought my use cases addressed that | 21:28 |
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| fabio | morganfainberg, got any chances to see the latest patch, please? | 21:45 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, your paste misses the biggest failure case: | 22:01 |
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| ayoung | a new client gets v2.0 endpoints from an old server | 22:02 |
| ayoung | we can't do the redirect in an old server | 22:02 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: if a new client gets a v2.0 endpoint from an old server why would it not just use it? | 22:04 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, what if it wants to use the v3 api? v2 doesn';t do domains | 22:04 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: that is a very good question...i'd have to think about that for a bit | 22:06 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, the goal here is to deprecate the v2.0 API | 22:06 |
| ayoung | in order to do that, we need people using v3 | 22:06 |
| ayoung | tools need to work with an old server | 22:06 |
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| dstanek | how does this work now? | 22:07 |
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| markwash | dtroyer_zz: ping | 22:09 |
| ayoung | dstanek, it doesn't. It is broken. THat is what I am trying to fix | 22:09 |
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| markwash | dtroyer_zz: sometime if you get a chance I'd love a quick opinion about the env variable added in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56537/ | 22:09 |
| markwash | dtroyer_zz: it seems like it might be something that would be appropriate to generalize for os clients | 22:10 |
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| SpamapS | interesting.. | 22:47 |
| SpamapS | /opt/stack/venvs/neutron/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/sqlalchemy/sql/expression.py:1927: SAWarning: The IN-predicate on "ports.network_id" was invoked with an empty sequence. This results in a contradiction, which nonetheless can be expensive to evaluate. Consider alternative strategies for improved performance. | 22:47 |
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| jamielennox | sdague: did you get a chance to have a look at that error i pinged you on the other day? | 23:53 |
| jamielennox | sdague: i realize that our timezones are probably not overlapping | 23:53 |
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