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| ayoung | jamielennox, the discoverability patch merged a while ago, right? | 01:38 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: yea | 01:38 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, is there any reason that wouldn't be triggered in the unified cli? | 01:38 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i don't know if there has been a release since then | 01:39 |
| jamielennox | and it's still pretty raw, but yea i'd like to see that | 01:39 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, Oh, it might not be in the RDO reelased RPMs | 01:39 |
| jamielennox | i don't think it has been adopted into openstack-client yet though | 01:40 |
| ayoung | I can never keep the versions straight | 01:40 |
| ayoung | python-keystoneclient-0.4.1.7.gdca1d42-0.1.627.dca1d42_4742f53.noarch | 01:40 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I was using ^^ with git python-openstackclient | 01:40 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i don't think we've done a version release of keystoneclient for a while | 01:40 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it's sunday, aren't you supposed to be relaxing? /says the guy writing code from a coffee shop | 01:41 |
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| ayoung | it was mid november | 01:41 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, jamielennox 's week ais a half day ahead of mine | 01:41 |
| jamielennox | you're both hopeless | 01:41 |
| ayoung | I don;'t like to leave my team members completely OTF.... | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, hehe fair enough | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, seriously, do you expect anything else? | 01:41 |
| jamielennox | that - or monday is the day when i can get stuff done :) | 01:41 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I've been sitting by the fire drinking wine...I am only self-induced helpless | 01:42 |
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| ayoung | Joys of New England winters....sore back from shoveling snow the weight of wet concrete | 01:42 |
| ayoung | required some liquid painkilling of course | 01:42 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I found this on Friday, thought you might want to track it https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1260916 | 01:43 |
| jamielennox | heh, not really something i can relate to - even in winter | 01:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1260916 in python-openstackclient "Setting --os-identity-api-version=3 still uses v2" [Undecided,New] | 01:43 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: oh, that's openstackclient | 01:44 |
| jamielennox | hmm | 01:44 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I wanted to do some sample code using the python-keystoneclient, and the venv thing from last week kindof got int my way, so I tried this http://adam.younglogic.com/2013/12/common-cli-keystone/ | 01:44 |
| jamielennox | i plan on getting into osc for keystone , but i just haven't had time | 01:45 |
| jamielennox | hmm ouch, editing the db | 01:45 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, yeah...I don;t think we have an interop v2 v3 story right now | 01:48 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i know, i'm doing what i can but even then i don't know if there is an endgame for how we're going to transition people | 01:49 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think it is a case of knocking dowbn tge barriers one at a time: auth_token middles ware has to be first, then CLI, then WebUI | 01:51 |
| ayoung | well...python API had to predate all of that, of course...well done there | 01:52 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i had a look at auth_token for that the other day - it's still ugly with discovery | 01:52 |
| jamielennox | still too much that relies on v2 | 01:52 |
| ayoung | yup | 01:52 |
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| ayoung | until the other services can consume both v2 and v3, we are stuck on the lowest common denominator | 01:53 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, seems like the discoverability thing might work there, if I had a recent enough version | 01:57 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: work where? | 01:58 |
| ayoung | python-openstackclient | 01:58 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: does it use discovery? | 01:58 |
| ayoung | I don't know....does it need to be a deliberate choice> | 01:58 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: the problem so far with discovery is that there are two parts to a client (or soon will be) | 01:58 |
| ayoung | or would it work if I specified the auth_url correctly | 01:59 |
| jamielennox | there is discovering the auth_plugin and there is discovering the client | 01:59 |
| jamielennox | because v2 and v3 clients work with v2 and v3 auth | 01:59 |
| jamielennox | i think in regards to the API we just ignore that | 01:59 |
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| ayoung | If I specify --os-identity-api-version=3 should that force everything to be v3? | 01:59 |
| ayoung | I realize you don;t know the code yet, either | 02:00 |
| jamielennox | but it's something i came up against the other day and i'm not sure yet how thats going to work with auth plugins | 02:00 |
| ayoung | just mean in the abstract... | 02:00 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: it has to | 02:00 |
| jamielennox | ahh | 02:00 |
| jamielennox | yea, it has to | 02:00 |
| ayoung | I suspect I should build my own python-keystoneclient RPM and hack on the CLI then | 02:00 |
| jamielennox | the currect v3 client only does v3 auth, ditto v2 unless you start passing tokens around on your own | 02:00 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: or just checkout the git? | 02:00 |
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| jamielennox | venvs are easy | 02:01 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, but the python-openstack client doesn't pull the python-keystoneclient from git into its venv | 02:01 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: no, but you can easily override that | 02:01 |
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| ayoung | ? | 02:01 |
| jamielennox | install the venv, run python setup.py develop in both | 02:02 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, to be clear, you mean activate the python-openstackclient venv, then run python set.py for python-keystoneclient? | 02:03 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i use the wrapper | 02:05 |
| jamielennox | mkvirtualenv osc | 02:05 |
| jamielennox | cd python-openstackclient | 02:05 |
| jamielennox | pip install -r requirements.txt -r test-requirements.txt | 02:05 |
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| jamielennox | cd ../python-keystoneclient | 02:05 |
| jamielennox | pip install -r requirements.txt -r test-requirements.txt | 02:06 |
| ayoung | yeah that is the same thing | 02:06 |
| jamielennox | python setup.py develop | 02:06 |
| ayoung | I used the venv creted by tox | 02:06 |
| ayoung | it is in python-openstackclient/tox/py27 | 02:06 |
| jamielennox | ok, so after doing that i can see: | 02:07 |
| jamielennox | >>> keystoneclient.__file__ | 02:07 |
| jamielennox | '/home/jlennox/work/python-keystoneclient/keystoneclient/__init__.pyc' | 02:07 |
| jamielennox | so osc will use the development keystoneclient from git | 02:08 |
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| ayoung | can you try using it to do something? | 02:08 |
| ayoung | like | 02:08 |
| ayoung | openstack user list | 02:08 |
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| ayoung | I'm getting "POST http://127.0.0.1:5000/v3/tokens HTTP/1.0" 404 93 | 02:10 |
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| fandikurnia01 | hello mate | 02:10 |
| ayoung | should be auth | 02:10 |
| ayoung | fandikurnia01, I didn't even know I was in check. | 02:11 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: yea, me too | 02:12 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I'll update the bug report | 02:12 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: discovery isn't done by default | 02:12 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, it seems to be...my auth_url is 5000:/v2.0 | 02:13 |
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| jamielennox | oh, i had set to v3 | 02:13 |
| ayoung | so it is loking at v3, but it is trying to call the v2 suburl of tokens | 02:13 |
| jamielennox | hmm, i've no idea what user/pass i've got set up here | 02:13 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: with a /v2.0 endpoint it's posting to /v2.0/tokesn | 02:14 |
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| ayoung | let me confirm | 02:16 |
| jamielennox | hmm, i'm getting could not find project | 02:17 |
| jamielennox | but my local keystone install is pretty messed up | 02:17 |
| ayoung | that is a different problem... | 02:17 |
| jamielennox | but it's hitting the endpoint | 02:17 |
| ayoung | try setting projectId, not projectname | 02:17 |
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| ayoung | actually, I have export OS_TENANT_NAME=admin | 02:17 |
| ayoung | oh, wait...I have the auth_url specified in my rc | 02:18 |
| ayoung | OS_AUTH_URL=http://127.0.0.1:5000/v3 | 02:18 |
| jamielennox | yea | 02:18 |
| ayoung | OK...so I bet I can change that back to v2.0 and it will get my through that step...then fail on the project lookup...let me see | 02:19 |
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| ayoung | now, that worked.... | 02:19 |
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| ayoung | everything was v2.0 | 02:19 |
| ayoung | ok, let me now try it with the v3 api... | 02:19 |
| jamielennox | so it's not doing any discovery | 02:19 |
| jamielennox | if i set OS_AUTH_URL=http://127.0.0.1:5000 then it fails | 02:20 |
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| jamielennox | "POST http://127.0.0.1:5000/tokens HTTP/1.0" | 02:20 |
| ayoung | openstack --os-identity-api-version=3 user list | 02:20 |
| ayoung | "POST /v2.0/auth/tokens HTTP/1.1" 404 228 0.002251 | 02:20 |
| ayoung | with | 02:20 |
| ayoung | export OS_AUTH_URL=http://127.0.0.1:5000/ | 02:21 |
| jamielennox | interesting | 02:21 |
| ayoung | I think it is getting it from the service catalog | 02:21 |
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| ayoung | POST /v2.0/auth/tokens | 02:22 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: it can't get an auth_url from the service catalog | 02:22 |
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| ayoung | where is it getting it from. then? I've dropped v2.0 everwhere | 02:23 |
| jamielennox | i don't know but it doesn't have a service catalog until after it's got that token | 02:23 |
| ayoung | ah,nevermind | 02:23 |
| ayoung | didn;t resource the rc after chagning, now I get | 02:23 |
| ayoung | POST /auth/tokens | 02:23 |
| ayoung | Is this an error in python-keystoneclient or on python-openstackclient | 02:24 |
| jamielennox | what? | 02:24 |
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| jamielennox | that you need to provide a versioned endpoint to a client? thats a client issue | 02:25 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: and not something i have a lot of scope to change | 02:25 |
| ayoung | so something in openstack client, then | 02:25 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: OSC should use the discoverabiilty when it comes out | 02:25 |
| ayoung | ok, something to keep an eye on, then | 02:25 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: yea, unfortunately there isn't much we can do for now - the clients expect a versioned endpoint so we are stuck with that pattern | 02:26 |
| ayoung | we need to fix the osc first...I know dolphm was looking in to it. I'll talk with him tomorrow. | 02:26 |
| jamielennox | from now on though you don't instantiate a v2_0.client.Client you do client.Client(version=2..) | 02:26 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, have you looked at the osc code yet? | 02:27 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: briefly - there isn't much to it | 02:27 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: well, there isn't much to it's client handling code | 02:27 |
| jamielennox | there is a bunch to do with CLI | 02:27 |
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| jamielennox | who's pinning versions of WSME? http://logs.openstack.org/01/59601/10/check/check-grenade-dsvm/1718e5a/logs/new/screen-s-proxy.txt.gz | 05:21 |
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| jamielennox | appears that an old version of something (probably ceilometer) has pinned WSME>=0.5b5,<0.5b6 then when grenade tries to do an upgrade to the current global-requirements which has incompatible WSME>=0.5b6 | 05:38 |
| jamielennox | why does this get triggered by the additional dependency to keystone? | 05:38 |
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| ttx | notmyname: I seem to remeber mordred saying it now happens automatically. Still, will wait for his confirmation before deleting MP for swift | 08:07 |
| ttx | mordred: context: <notmyname> 19:50:48> ttx: mordred: we need to merge milestone-proposed back into master in swift to get the tag-based versioning to work | 08:07 |
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| basha | bnemec: ping | 09:56 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: ping | 10:47 |
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| ttx | flaper87: ola | 10:56 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yo yo! Quick question, I hope. Am I missing something here? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022221.html | 10:57 |
| flaper87 | ttx: there hasn't been an answer and I do care about that thread :) | 10:57 |
| flaper87 | and rustlebee is still sleeping | 10:57 |
| * flaper87 will go through the last TC meeting logs | 10:58 | |
| ttx | flaper87: The real benefits of the proposal is that we would now have a way to assert that a project is promising but it lacks a bit of maturity and team diversity/size | 10:58 |
| ttx | because without that assertion it's lost in the noise of "openstack-related" projects and never gets critical mass | 10:59 |
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| ttx | For example, the TC agreed that Designate was a good diea, it just needed a bit wider support before we could consider it a part of the integrated release | 11:00 |
| ttx | idea* | 11:00 |
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| ttx | But despite us saying "it's good you should look into it and help" nobody really did | 11:01 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: yeah, true that. | 11:01 |
| ttx | While if we established it as an OpenStack program it would have had a bit of summit time, and some "officialness" | 11:01 |
| ttx | which would probably have solved the chicken/egg issue | 11:01 |
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| ttx | the two options out of this issue were; | 11:02 |
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| ttx | 1- create a new label "awesome but young" | 11:02 |
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| flaper87 | What don't like much is letting projects that don't have an integrated team to have a program. What if instead we have a program called "Emerging Technology' and let those project fall into that program until their mature enough to have their own? | 11:02 |
| ttx | 2- reuse programs | 11:02 |
| ttx | flaper87: What are you calling "integrated team" exactly ? | 11:02 |
| ttx | "integrated" means part of the integrated release. | 11:03 |
| flaper87 | By integrated team I mean people working on an integrated Program / project. TBH, I'm not sure what the right term is for that. Thing is that there are programs that don't have projects. | 11:03 |
| flaper87 | ttx: that's what I mean. | 11:04 |
| ttx | flaper87: we established "programs" especially to recognize that some teams efforts, which were not "integrated projects", were essential. Like Infra, Docs or QA | 11:04 |
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| ttx | so "programs" are distinct from "integrated" | 11:05 |
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| ttx | flaper87: IIUC you're arguing that non-integrated vertical projects, like TripleO or incubated stuff, should not have a program. Right ? | 11:06 |
| ttx | It's OK for integrated vertical, and purely horizontal stuff like "QA" | 11:06 |
| flaper87 | ttx: exactly! That's clear to me! I guess I'm just using the wrong terms | 11:07 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yeah, that's what I'm arguing | 11:07 |
| ttx | ok, I see your point | 11:07 |
| ttx | A- Programs are only integrated verticals + horizontals | 11:08 |
| ttx | B- Programs are integrated verticals + horizontals + some diagonals (Deployment) + incubated stuff | 11:08 |
| ttx | C - B + "promising" stuff | 11:08 |
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| ttx | flaper87: We are currently at B, proposing to go C while you'd prefer A | 11:09 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I'd be happy to move 'some diagonals (Deployment)' to A. | 11:10 |
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| ttx | sure, you could consider tripleO to be horizontal enough. But what about incubated projects ? Would you accept they are a program ? | 11:11 |
| flaper87 | I just think that something that doesn't make part of OpenStack's release cycles should be called official and have votes and all that | 11:11 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I think incubated projects shouldn't worry about programs until they graduate. I do think the mission has to be stated and made clear before entering to incubation | 11:12 |
| flaper87 | ttx: erm /should be called/shouldn't be called/ | 11:12 |
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| ttx | flaper87: OK, that's a respectable argument | 11:15 |
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| ttx | flaper87: You should probably follow up on your email to explain what programs should be in your opinion | 11:16 |
| flaper87 | ttx: Yeah, I'll do that! Thanks for the clarification! :) | 11:16 |
| ttx | in summary: for "vertical" projects, not a program until graduation to integrated. | 11:16 |
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| ttx | flaper87: one thing to take into account is that programs are tied to ATC status and, in return, TC oversight. incubated projects are very much under the supervision of the TC, so it's only fair that they get to vote... Although I guess you could argue that they can gain voting rights when integrated. | 11:19 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yeah, and I'd apply the same to emerging technology, which is why I think that maybe an 'Emerging Technology' program where 'promising projects' - even incubated projectcs - would fall in could make sense after all. | 11:21 |
| flaper87 | projects under this program would fall under TCs supervision but won't get all the rights that integrated projects have | 11:21 |
| ttx | flaper87: I don't have strong feelings either way. Would you be around tomorrow for the TC meeting to defend that option ? | 11:22 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I'm not sure I'll make it - hosting the local Python Meetup - but I'll definitely try. :/ | 11:24 |
| flaper87 | ttx: it's 20 UTC, isn't it? | 11:24 |
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| ttx | flaper87: yes | 11:25 |
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| ttx | flaper87: we may push back after vacation if too many TC members can't make it. | 11:25 |
| * flaper87 calls all TC members and ask them not to be there! | 11:26 | |
| flaper87 | :D | 11:26 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I'll send the email anyway, If there'll be a meeting tomorrow, I'll try to make it. Otherwise, I'll read the logs and bring the discussion back to the m-l if needed | 11:27 |
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| koolhead17 | ttx: around? | 12:25 |
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| ttx | koolhead17: yes? | 12:36 |
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| chmouel | dhellmann: hey doug, let me know what do you think about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1261395 | 13:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1261395 in oslo "generte_sample.sh is using an inconsistent /usr/bin/getopt" [Undecided,New] | 13:50 |
| zul | are any of the taskflow developers around? | 13:50 |
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| dhellmann | chmouel: is it failing on a supported OS? | 14:01 |
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| chmouel | dhellmann: I am not sure what is a supported OS for dev box ? | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | chmouel: precise? I'm sure some version of RHEL/CentOS -- where does it actually fail? | 14:05 |
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| chmouel | dhellmann: it's reported failing on 12.04 for this guy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57717/ | 14:06 |
| chmouel | (last comment) | 14:06 |
| chmouel | it fails on /usr/bin/getopt | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | chmouel: and you were able to reproduce it? I haven't run that script in a while myself | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | chmouel: I think jd__ set up a gate test to verify that the ceilometer config doesn't change without being updated, and that would run on precise | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | chmouel: (12.04) | 14:08 |
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| chmouel | dhellmann: i have just had a comment that the guy has another issue than mine on 12.04 which got fix using latest ubuntu but not sure what exactly | 14:09 |
| chmouel | dhellmann: i can see a problem but only on macosx but i guess this is not supported dev os | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | chmouel: yeah, mac os x isn't supported for this | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | chmouel: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/improve-config-discovery-for-docs will involve rewriting this tool | 14:10 |
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| chmouel | dhellmann: ah ok nice | 14:11 |
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| marekd | dolphm_: ping. | 14:46 |
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| dolphm_ | marekd: i'll be back in a couple minutes | 14:47 |
| marekd | dolphm_: no problem. | 14:47 |
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| dolphm | marekd: o/ | 14:52 |
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| marekd | \o <-- hehe love that! :) | 14:53 |
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| marekd | dolphm: a quick question: shall i eventualle remove domains from virtual IdPs or not? | 14:53 |
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| dolphm | marekd: grr always with the tough questions | 14:53 |
| marekd | ups. | 14:54 |
| dolphm | marekd: let me check out the review | 14:54 |
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| marekd | dolphm: specs or the code? | 14:54 |
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| dolphm | marekd: i'm looking at the spec now to see if there's any new arguments being made | 14:54 |
| marekd | dolphm: ok. | 14:55 |
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| dolphm | marekd: A) i don't think gyee's suggestion of making domain ownership "optional" is even remotely sensible -- there either needs to be a relationship or not (and starting from the "not" position, you can always add them later) | 14:56 |
| * dolphm still reading | 14:56 | |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I think I need at least "issued_at_or_before" in the revocation to deal with change password/removed_roles type events. If all we have is expired_at it would have to be calculated for those, and there is an edge condition where the sysadmin changed the default expiry time | 15:05 |
| ayoung | marekd, yes, we should remove domains from IdPs | 15:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: expiry time of what? | 15:05 |
| ayoung | dolphm, the token | 15:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: if the sys admin shoots them self in the foot, that's not our problem | 15:06 |
| ayoung | dolphm, talking revocationes, I like using expire to match "all tokens issued from one token" | 15:06 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it isn't shooting in the foot, it is a legitimate change | 15:06 |
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| ayoung | lets say default expiry is set to 8 hours | 15:06 |
| ayoung | then you realize you need to make it 4 | 15:06 |
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| ayoung | you revoked a token under the old rule | 15:07 |
| ayoung | after the change, the token is valid again | 15:07 |
| dolphm | ayoung: wtf | 15:07 |
| ayoung | calculated value is no good | 15:07 |
| dolphm | ayoung: your implementation is broken then | 15:07 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that is why we need to us issued_at, not expires_at | 15:07 |
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| ayoung | actually, I think my example is wrong...it would be "false positives" but there is something wierd with revokin based on a calculated value | 15:08 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, my point is that when a user changes their password, we need to revoke all tokens issued before that change | 15:09 |
| ayoung | that is based on issued_at, which is why I added it to the revocation API | 15:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: both issued_at and expires_at are in the blueprint to solve different use cases | 15:09 |
| ayoung | dolphm, you had me yank issued_at from the API...you are OK with me putting it back in? | 15:09 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: oh YOU put that in there -- that explains why the definition of the field contradicts with the example provided ;) | 15:10 |
| ayoung | I put it in the API | 15:10 |
| ayoung | not in the blueprint, I think | 15:10 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm talking about the blueprint | 15:10 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: expires_at should NOT be calculated -- it should be read from the token being revoked | 15:11 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, right...that is not the case I am talking about. I am sorry to jump into the middle. THe case I am discussing is password change." I was pointing out that for password change we need to base the rvocation off of issued time, not expiry time. We don't have an explicit token we are revoking, we are revocaing a whole class of them. TO do so on expiry time would be a mistake. | 15:12 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: revoked_at == moment of password change # problem solved? | 15:13 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, well, I don't think so....I mean, we need to tell auth_token "treat tokens as revoked that match this criteria" and if we just have the revoked_at value in the token, there is no indicator of the rule to apply. | 15:14 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I think we just need "issued_at_or_before" | 15:15 |
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| ayoung | issued_at_or_after would be superfluous | 15:15 |
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| ayoung | but yes, the value there would match the revoked_at value, so we could optimize | 15:15 |
| ayoung | dolphm, maybe make it a boolean or enumerated value? | 15:16 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: you're trying to solve a client side check in the API -- you're providing all the information to the client they need | 15:16 |
| dolphm | ayoung: (with the timestamp of the revocation event) | 15:16 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, right, so while the revoke_at time is the value we need, we need a little more info to say what rule to apply...but this might be true for expires_at_or_before as well... | 15:17 |
| ayoung | maybe uinstead of sending dates, we just have the revoked_at time and a series of rules | 15:17 |
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| ayoung | a subset of rules=["issued_at_or_before","expires_at","expires_at_or_before"....] | 15:18 |
| ayoung | all compared to the revoke_at time | 15:19 |
| dolphm | ayoung: you're making this waaay complicated -- the use cases are expressed in the blueprint. which use case is not solved by it's provided example? | 15:19 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, no, I am now simplifying it...I don't think we need more than one date...the time of the revocation event | 15:19 |
| * ayoung needs to think about that..but it feels right | 15:20 | |
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| dolphm | ayoung: that's what revoked_at represents | 15:20 |
| dolphm | ayoung: maybe it needs to be more clearly named? | 15:20 |
| ayoung | zactly. | 15:20 |
| dolphm | event_at ? | 15:20 |
| dolphm | revocation_event_at ? | 15:20 |
| ayoung | revocation_event_time | 15:20 |
| ayoung | event_datetime | 15:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: all the other timestamps in the api are _at | 15:21 |
| ayoung | something along those lines | 15:21 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, those are to indicate that they were inclusive | 15:21 |
| ayoung | at_or_before | 15:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the event didn't occur in a range | 15:21 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: if token.issued_at <= revocation_event.revocation_event_at: reject() # in auth_token | 15:27 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I was being a little cautious due to date-time conversions | 15:27 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: date time conversion between what and what? | 15:27 |
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| ayoung | string and actual times...I was concerned that some languages might estimate | 15:27 |
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| ayoung | and we would end up with things doing exact comparisions that should match but dont | 15:28 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: that's why we use timezone-aware ISO 8601 UTC datetimes *everywhere* | 15:28 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, yeah...I'm just paranoid | 15:29 |
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| ayoung | but...I think we are in agreement. I like the rule you poste above as the way to document it | 15:29 |
| dolphm | ayoung: you're more likely to introduce a bug by deviating from the established convention ;) | 15:29 |
| ayoung | token.issued_at <= revocation_event.revocation_event_at: reject() | 15:30 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so the rules can all be stated in terms of revocation_event.revocation_event_at: | 15:30 |
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| ayoung | expires_at_matches means token.issued_at == revocation_event.revocation_event_at: reject() | 15:31 |
| ayoung | expires_at_or_before means token.expires_at <= revocation_event.revocation_event_at: reject() | 15:31 |
| ayoung | correction expires_at_matches means token.expires _at == revocation_event.revocation_event_at: reject() | 15:31 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, last week (or so) you said you were working on v3-by-default in OSC. Are you heads down hacking on the client? I was trying to figure out what we need to put in the endpoints. One reason I've been using Curl is to avoid endpoint conversion issues, but I got stuck on them last week: http://adam.younglogic.com/2013/12/common-cli-keystone/ | 15:55 |
| ayoung | Without that hack I came across https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1260916 | 15:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1260916 in python-openstackclient "Setting --os-identity-api-version=3 still uses v2" [Undecided,New] | 15:55 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ++ i use the same hack | 15:59 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and no, i'm not heads down unfortunately | 15:59 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ya'll drag me in too many different directions for me to ever be heads down :P | 15:59 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I drag you there...because I was dragged there first. I'm all over the place myself....but I hear ya. | 15:59 |
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| therve | bknudson, Did you mean to approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60859/ ? | 16:16 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: ping | 16:30 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, please don't send ping messages, just ask what you want. | 16:31 |
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| bknudson | As admin, I can get an unscoped token or a project-scoped token but not a domain-scoped token? | 16:32 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: sorry, im trying to create a restriction on policy.json, where to list_user the user should have a domain_admin role and have something like this domain_id:%(domain_id)s, is this possible for domain as it is for projects and users? | 16:32 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, it should be OK | 16:33 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: i tried and it said i didnt have permission, this id comes from the context? | 16:33 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, the list_user function doesn't have domain_id specified in it | 16:35 |
| ayoung | you'd have to "find it" | 16:35 |
| tellesnobrega | ayoung: i see | 16:35 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/identity/controllers.py#L737 | 16:36 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, it is domain filtered, so you have that to work with | 16:37 |
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| ayoung | tellesnobrega, implemented here https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/controller.py#L168 | 16:38 |
| dolphm | tellesnobrega: sounds like your rule is working as intended -- it's requiring a domain scoped token to retrieve a filtered list of users by domain | 16:38 |
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| ayoung | filters are applied here https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/controller.py#L188 | 16:39 |
| bknudson | can I get a domain-scoped token with "scope": { "domain": { "id": "default" } } ? | 16:39 |
| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#scope-scope | 16:39 |
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| bknudson | has project-scoped token requests but not domain-scoped. | 16:39 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, but that would be against an explicit domain_id in the query string | 16:39 |
| ayoung | bknudson, this sounds like a trick question | 16:39 |
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| tellesnobrega | dolphm: how can i get a domain scoped token? | 16:41 |
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| dsantos_ | bknudson: I've tried to get a domai-scoped token like you asked and it didn't work | 16:42 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I tried it and it is looking at the domain I provide in scope... so it's just that there's no explicit example like there are for project. | 16:42 |
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| dsantos_ | bknudson: I tried some ways bot nothing worked fine | 16:42 |
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| bknudson | dsantos_: I'm going to try granting admin a role on the domain. | 16:44 |
| bknudson | PUT /domains/{domain_id}/users/{user_id}/roles/{role_id} | 16:44 |
| dsantos_ | bknudson: did you get a domain-scoped token? I didn't understand | 16:45 |
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| bknudson | dsantos_: I haven't been able to get a domain-scoped token, but maybe it's because the user doesn't have a role | 16:45 |
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| dsantos_ | bknudson: I tried with the admin user created with my devstack installation, but didn't work | 16:46 |
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| bknudson | dsantos_: it worked for me. | 16:49 |
| tellesnobrega | bknudson: i tried just now to get a domain-scoped token, but i got Authorization failed. User 2313d3645fa24972be8821f2706c73d1 has no access to domain 0c52efa1fe614cbea3c450f535002d75 from 127.0.0.1 but when i created the user i put the domain_id and project_id, but for some reason it doesn't give authorization to get the token | 16:49 |
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| dsantos_ | bknudson: I'm trying with this json: { "auth": { "identity": { "methods": [ "password" ], "password": { "user": { "name": "admin", "password": "admin" } } }, "scope": { "domain": { "id": "default" } } } } | 16:50 |
| bknudson | tellesnobrega: I granted the 'admin' user 'admin' role to domain 'default' and it worked for me. | 16:50 |
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| bknudson | dsantos_: now I know your password! | 16:50 |
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| dsantos_ | bknudson: hahaha | 16:51 |
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| Apsu | All I saw was "password": "******" | 16:51 |
| bknudson | dsantos_: tellesnobrega: here's how I created the role: http://paste.openstack.org/show/55068/ | 16:51 |
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| dolphm | marekd: ayoung: joesavak: split the /public_keys resource from the IdP extension and put it into it's own review (as i don't think it will be useful in icehouse), and +2'd the base API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59846/ | 16:57 |
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| dolphm | as described in my comment there ^ i'd like to merge the mapping piece back into the same extension as /identity_providers | 16:58 |
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| tellesnobrega | bknudson: how did you grant a role to a domain? | 17:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | bknudson: i got it now | 17:01 |
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| marekd | dolphm: roger that. but i thought you wanted to get rid of managing pub-keys from keystone permanently. | 17:02 |
| bknudson | tellesnobrega: https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#grant-role-to-user-on-domain-put-domainsdomain_idusersuser_idrolesrole_id | 17:02 |
| tellesnobrega | bknudson: thanks | 17:02 |
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| dolphm | marekd: i see the use case of managing pub_keys in keystone, but i think we'd have a LOT of extra work to do to make that useable (either providing config management for mod_mellon, which is crazy talk, or re-implementing mod_mellon in python, which is crazy talk for icehouse) | 17:04 |
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| dsantos_ | bknudson: I created the role but I couldn't get the token | 17:06 |
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| bknudson | dsantos_: same error? | 17:07 |
| bknudson | user doesn't have access to domain? | 17:07 |
| marekd | dolphm: well, that was my initial thought - config auto-generator basing on data stored in the Keystone backend. | 17:07 |
| marekd | dolphm: but i agree that reimplmeneting that now is crazy. | 17:07 |
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| dsantos_ | bknudson: sorry, it was just a missing comma in my json | 17:08 |
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| dsantos_ | XD | 17:08 |
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| marekd | dolphm: anyways, for now i have removed pubkeys handling from vIdPs but will keep the code on my own repos. might be useful one day. | 17:08 |
| bknudson | you should get a 400 error for that. | 17:09 |
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| dolphm | marekd: (just looking at your commit message) need to cut /public_keys from your impl as well | 17:10 |
| viktors | dhellmann: hello. | 17:10 |
| dhellmann | viktors: hi | 17:10 |
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| marekd | dolphm: will do! | 17:11 |
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| tellesnobrega | dolphm: i got a domain-scoped token now, but i still doesn't work with this rule (role:tammie and domain_id:%(domain_id)s) maybe there is another way to get the domain_id | 17:11 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: I’m sorry for bothering you, but can you please look at patches, related to oslo.db? | 17:12 |
| dolphm | tellesnobrega: look at the admin_on_domain_filter rule | 17:12 |
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| bknudson | when I get a domain-scoped token the catalog has None for the tenant-ids... | 17:12 |
| dhellmann | viktors: I have them on my review list, but have some internal dreamhost stuff I need to finish today | 17:12 |
| bknudson | "url": "http://192.168.122.176:8774/v2/None" | 17:13 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: thanks. Sorry for my importunity ) | 17:14 |
| dhellmann | viktors: sorry for the delay :-( | 17:15 |
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| tellesnobrega | dolphm: where can i find this rule? | 17:27 |
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| tellesnobrega | ayoung: is there any way that i can print out a value that is being passed to the policy.json like user_id or domain_id? | 17:45 |
| ayoung | tellesnobrega, run in a debugger. | 17:45 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, is it OK to say "auth_url will always end in the API version?" If so, it makes calculating the AUTH_URL much easier: if you want v3, and it ends in /v2.0, chop off the old and add the new. | 18:36 |
| ayoung | and if it doesn't...do discovery | 18:36 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: auth_url should support "/" "/v2.0/" and "/v3/" | 18:37 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: and all of those should be handled by discovery | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, we shouldn't force unnecessary round trips. So, "/" to me means "something other than v2.0 or v3. | 18:38 |
| ayoung | And yes, in that case, do discovery | 18:38 |
| dolphm_ | stevemar: marekd|away did some great work on the federation controllers... we need to pull some of that back into the base v3 controller and use it elsewhere after this | 18:39 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: call it once and cache it | 18:39 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, if the endpoint ends in /v2.0 (after stripping the "/") but I want the v3 api, do I need to do discovery for that? | 18:39 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: don't try to parse the URL client side and make predictions about the deployment | 18:39 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: if the endpoint ends in /v2.0 and you want the v3 API then your configuration is wrong and you should get an error | 18:40 |
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| stevemar | dolphm_ - i agree about the work, but you mean that it shouldn't be an extension? | 18:40 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, and we break everyone's deployment | 18:40 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: something along the lines of "hey, I can't find v3 at this endpont" | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, lets assume we will be stuck with endpoints ending in v2.0 for the time being | 18:40 |
| dolphm_ | stevemar: i'm just talking about the validation he's doing | 18:40 |
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| dolphm_ | stevemar: mutable params, public params, etc. he's solving problems we've had in keystone for a while :( | 18:41 |
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| stevemar | dolphm_: Ohh that stuff | 18:41 |
| stevemar | yeah, i really liked it! | 18:41 |
| dolphm_ | nicely generic | 18:41 |
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| stevemar | refactor for the near future | 18:41 |
| stevemar | dump it in v3 base controller, it'll be easy to override | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, you say that now... | 18:42 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: c'mon be optimistic | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, not that i imminently see some reason why it wouldn't be...just ... you know hwo it goes | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, wake up! I need to talk common client and caching of auth_urls with you! | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, for caching...do we have an approach? python-keyring? Seperate cache file in $HOME? | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | I mean, I can understand expanding the number of envvars we accept, but that is not really a cache | 18:45 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: we're using keyring to cache tokens, right? caching discovery stuff isn't credential-specific so keyring isn't ideal... | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, I suspect we need to talk with dtroyer_zz to work it out. My guess is the other services are going to have the same issues | 18:49 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: i don't know what it can back to, but i'd check out something like https://pypi.python.org/pypi/requests-cache | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, morganfainberg can get it to back to anything with dogpile, I know he can! | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, nooooooooooooo | 18:50 |
| dolphm_ | i haven't considered dogpile.cache client side .. ? | 18:50 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, any input? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, i think it would be doable w/ the filebackend | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, dogpile is just the mechanism, question remains: where? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | i wouldn't use anything heavier than that for the most part though | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, the requests_cache " demo_cache.sqlite database" | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | but yes, dogpile.cache could be made to do all of that | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | and it probably wouldn't be too hard to put it all together. | 18:51 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: http://httpcache.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, oh i think i read about httpcache...that might be the better option for client | 18:52 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: definitely cache to disk though, for the CLI use case | 18:52 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, question is how to configure it. Would it be a CLI only option? | 18:52 |
| dolphm_ | morganfainberg: it brags that you can't configure it ... so i assume it's only an in-memory cache | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm_, doh! | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, likely it would be some "sane defaults" and take some env vars to change the target(s) for the cache | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if using dogpile that is | 18:54 |
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| FunnyLookinHat | Is there a test build of Grizzly available with the DNSaaS stuff built in ( I think using Moniker? ) | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, dolphm_ I think discovery should be a backup. If I know I want v3 and I am given v2.0...let me try it, and deal with the 404 | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: /me is awake | 19:03 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, we have a question about endpoint versions | 19:04 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I tried using the OSC for a demo last week, but the Keystone setup from devstack puts v2.0 at the end of the url | 19:04 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I had to hack the URLs in the database to get the OSC to work | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: yup. does keystoneclient have working auto-discovery yet? | 19:05 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, sort of | 19:05 |
| ayoung | fd0a176a49b5ead812567018a00fc3db4b7f531a has it in there... | 19:06 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/commit/fd0a176a49b5ead812567018a00fc3db4b7f531a | 19:06 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I was about to say that you could override that from localrc to remove the version, but it isn't going to work…that might be the first thing to straighten out in devstack... | 19:07 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, so...I should drop the v2.0 off the auth_url, as well as in the database/endpoints, and let OSC run the discover path to find out what is supported....that probably should not happen every time, though, as it adds t alot of round trips | 19:08 |
| dtroyer_zz | of course, it's still going to be a problem until _all_ of the clients use keystoneclient for auth | 19:08 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, heh...lets get it working for at least keystone itself | 19:08 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: thats anouther one of the things that needs to be cached | 19:08 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, "another" implies that you have other requests for caching? | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: oh yeah, lots. besides auth credentials, name -> id lookups for a bunch of objects | 19:10 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, do you have a caching approach in mind? | 19:10 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I was going to steal what Termie was doing in OCL as that was pretty generic but it doesn't fit well with the current base/client/manager classes | 19:12 |
| angdraug | thingee: can you have another look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58870/ (cinder rbd fix for non-raw images)? thanks! | 19:12 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, link? | 19:12 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: lemme se if he's made it public yet... | 19:12 |
| dtroyer_zz | https://github.com/termie/ocl looks like he's done more work since I last looked at it | 19:14 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: hi | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, allo | 19:31 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, what can i do for you sir? | 19:32 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i saw your note this morning from Friday night, did you still have a question? | 19:32 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, well... i added you to a review :P | 19:32 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, but i think i solved my initial question | 19:33 |
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| morganfainberg | doesn't mean i came up with a good answer | 19:33 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/termie/ocl/blob/master/ocl/cache.py | 19:33 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: which review is it - you have lots :_) | 19:33 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62198/ specifically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62198/6/keystone/identity/controllers.py | 19:34 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, its... uhm... evil-python-hacks? | 19:34 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, working around MRO issues with subclassing and marking everything deprecated | 19:34 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, so he hasn't done much on the cache strategy: "JsonCache: store to a file" | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: it wasn't the actual back-end so much as the hooks into the stack that I'm coveting | 19:46 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, he's got some good ideas there....just wondering what we need to do cache wise. For the token we've said is probably going to be python-keyring. I wonder if we should use the same approach across the board. | 19:47 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: across all clients? | 19:49 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, yeah. | 19:49 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I mean, I don't know the API well enough to say if it was the right thing | 19:49 |
| ayoung | just that it solves the tough problem, and it is worth looking into whether it could be made "lighter" for things that need a lighter touch with caching | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I'm not convinced of anything yet, that was just where I planned to start…but the more we can converge generic stuff like this the better off we'll be in the long run | 19:51 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: is there any reason you don't just use the metaclass to add the deprecated decorator when the class is being created? | 19:52 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: that would be less runtime cost and no need to use __getattribute__ | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, inheritance doesn't work like that, you don't actually get the methods in the namespace unless they are defined on the class itself | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, since the inherited class already had __new__ called | 19:54 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, so you are implying that I am pre-maturely optimizing and just need to get the dang thing to work first? | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | remember __new__ is called at class definition, not at object instantiation time | 19:54 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, the things you learn when delving into metaclass programming :P | 19:55 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: :) I'm implying that you are ahead of me in actually putting bits in place and that good ideas are welcome as always | 19:55 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: trying something | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, sure thing. | 19:56 |
| harlowja | dhellmann u got a sec? | 19:56 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, here is what I was origianlly thinking. http://paste.openstack.org/show/55081/ | 19:56 |
| harlowja | for a question about stevedore | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, like i said, this isn't guaranteed to be a "good" idea ;) | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: sure, what's up? | 19:56 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I'm willing to make this work...I just need to figure out how | 19:57 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, but it's definitely an "idea" on how to solve this problem i've backed myself into | 19:57 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I am guessing that I need to make it work today, with endpoints specified as v2.0 | 19:57 |
| harlowja | dhellmann so in stevedore driver.py it raises runtimeerrors, i was wondering if there was a reason for using runtimeerror over say a custom one (DriveNotFound, or something) | 19:57 |
| ayoung | if that is the case...what should the client do? | 19:57 |
| harlowja | *drivernotfound | 19:57 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, actually now that i think of it...maybe i did cross the streams in my logic in my head. | 19:58 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann can submit a patch if u are ok with that, just wasn't sure if there was some reason that i might be unaware of | 19:58 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: when your metaclass is creating the class object it should be able to wrap the methods in a decorator | 19:59 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: no, I just didn't want to create a custom exception. if you do make one, subclass it from runtimeerror | 19:59 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: this was it only happens when the class object it created (at import time) | 19:59 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i've done this in the past for other things | 19:59 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, the issue is inheritance -- if the methods were defined on the class it would work like that. sec have an example | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann k, just useful to say know exactly that the driver loading/init failed, instead of something else blowing up (maybe nothign else can, and then i guess its fine) | 20:01 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: our second-to-last paragraph is pretty nuch what I would do. I had a simpler set of steps for dealing with creating a default URL though…close to what you have as steps 1, 2 and 4. | 20:01 |
| harlowja | dhellmann with i guess https://github.com/dreamhost/stevedore/blob/master/stevedore/extension.py#L140 (maybe that should raise something?) | 20:01 |
| dtroyer_zz | s/our/your/ | 20:01 |
| harlowja | dhellmann *same with i guess | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: no, that specifically doesn't raise because that would make one bad plugin bring an entire app down | 20:02 |
| harlowja | k | 20:02 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, example code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/55082/ (module is called cache_test in the next paste) | 20:02 |
| harlowja | dhellmann could that at least be optional, maybe in some cases i don't want my app to start with bad plugins? | 20:02 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I think the auth_url is kindof like a bookmark. If there is enough info to auth from there, use it. | 20:03 |
| ayoung | if not, do discover | 20:03 |
| ayoung | y | 20:03 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja: a bad plugin would be ignored | 20:03 |
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| ayoung | but I'm the kind of person that hacks the url in the brower for bugzilla etc | 20:03 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, http://paste.openstack.org/show/55083/ if you look, you see that "ohai" method is not visible in the namespace | 20:03 |
| harlowja | dhellmann sure, it could be, but not in all cases is it desireable to do that right? | 20:03 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i guess i could inspect bases __dict__ and build from there? | 20:04 |
| ayoung | I don't want to *have* to do discovery until it is really necessary | 20:04 |
| morganfainberg | each object in bases that is | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: when is it better to have the entire app fail when discovery of a single plugin fails? | 20:04 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i do agree that wrapping each time is sub-optimal/less performant | 20:04 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I just don't like the idea of parsing it. look for the grand-fathered version strings if necessary but otherwise use what is passed. | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann in an app thats sole purpose is to only run when every plugin has loaded ok ;) | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | *not all apps of course are like this | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: ok, that's not the main use case I was considering | 20:06 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: in your example the thing class isn't using a metaclass so it will already be created before the test class | 20:06 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, the problem is that we are telling people that v3 is deprecated, and at the same time, we are saying we are maintaining support for older versions of keystone client. The older clients don't do discovery. They will need the old auth_urls and, more importantly the old endpoints with v2.0 in them. | 20:06 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja: I could see saving the exception info so an app could ask after the loop is done | 20:06 |
| harlowja | dhellmann sure, that'd be ok to | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: or even having an "on_error_callback" passed to the constructor | 20:06 |
| harlowja | dhellmann exactly :) | 20:07 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja: but as a user, I'd be annoyed if my app wouldn't start at all just because of a bad plugin | 20:07 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, which is the case for the code. the assignment.controllers.ProjectV3 controller isn't deprecated but Identity.controllers.ProjectV3 would be | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: and as an app author, I don't want to give that much control to plugin authors | 20:07 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, we don't want to mark the "new namspace location" as deprecated, just the old | 20:07 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i was trying to avoid the need to write a tone of duplicated methods that needed testing to support compat for the dev cycle | 20:08 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: something seems backwards in there…support for old clients isn't as important as support for old servers with a discovery-enabled client. old clients will always need an old-style URL. | 20:09 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, so I think we need at least a subset of the parsing rules. If they are using v2.0, we can assume they are going against a legacy system. If they want v3...we could make them work through discovery. But seems wasteful if we have enough infomration | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, another option would be just to assign a reference to the new class-location in identity, but it wont log deprecation messages in that case. | 20:09 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i see, you only want to wrap it if it's called through a certain class | 20:09 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, yep | 20:09 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, says you | 20:09 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, my guess is that there are people that get angry about *any* non backwards compat change | 20:10 |
| ayoung | server or client | 20:10 |
| harlowja | dhellmann sure, i understand why, but as app author that say wants to recieve notifications of loading failures, that'd be nice, on_error_callback would seem useful to do this (defaulting to nothing) | 20:10 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, that patchset converts all keystone-internal code to using the new class definitions. this is only to support out-of-tree developed code. | 20:10 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I agree we will need to do enough checking in the URL (I don't want to call it parsing for some reason) but I really don't want to change it beyond appending a legacy version maybe | 20:10 |
| morganfainberg | same as any of the internal-api deprecation work | 20:11 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I think I want to assume that it is set up for legacy | 20:11 |
| ayoung | I don;t think we can get people to use it today if it is not | 20:11 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: old client will always need a versioned URL. I dont' see any way around that since it already is out in the wild | 20:11 |
| dtroyer_zz | so the case of old client and discoverable server is covered | 20:12 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i guess if our code is fine that any slow down would make third parties more likely to change their code | 20:12 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, and new client will have to deal with old versioned URL. hence the ugly parsing.... | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: sure, an on_error_callback makes sense | 20:12 |
| harlowja | dhellmann thx boss! | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | review requests soon | 20:13 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I'd handle that starting with a GET on the URL and if that fails it's a bad url (I'm ignoring caching for now) | 20:13 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: then run the discovery on the return. If a version is present you should be able to just use that as it is (presumably) what the user asked for. | 20:13 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: so in other cases like this i have made functions that have the same name as the class | 20:14 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: they would log the deprecation warning and return an instance | 20:14 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, sure, the issue here is we have @classmethods which get called without instantiation | 20:14 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i tried that first ;) | 20:14 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: handling the version options is all that is left then | 20:14 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, maybe could use some setattr magic to lift those up | 20:15 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: and that's where I'd check for the presence of the legacy version strings and if they're not present then append a version to the URL | 20:15 |
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| morganfainberg | not sure if it would be cleaner or about the same as this. i am open to changing out the metaclass if there is a better approach | 20:16 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: either way it's magical :-( | 20:16 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: i don't know of a better one off the top of my head | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, if anyone i knew would, you'd be the person. | 20:16 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, it's why i wanted you to look at it | 20:16 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, ther are two pieces, remember. auth_url is handed in by the end user. We can assume that they know what they are doing, and tell them to leave off the version, or that we will deduce the version form what they give us...whatever we want. Then there is the endpoint that comes back from the keystone catalog. This is where the user is going to have no power, as they may be trying to use the v3 api, but all of the en | 20:20 |
| ayoung | dpoints have /v2.0 at the end. This is where, I think, we need to do the parsing. | 20:20 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I've always thought the idea was to get rid of versions in the service catalog. however, doing that is where your comment about old clients comes in to play…that would break them. | 20:22 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, those pesky users requiring we not break their precious apps | 20:23 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: yeah, rats. | 20:26 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, OK, I'm going to run with this. I think the changes will be restricted to python-keystoneclient | 20:26 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I'm still not convinced that blindly changing the version in the SC is a good idea, but I'm getting closer…if the requested version is not supported it'll fail anyway though | 20:27 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, "and we could fail to fail, it was the easiest thing to do" Stephen Stills. | 20:27 |
| ayoung | couldn't | 20:27 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: this will set a precedent for versions in the other APIs. and for example, nova is much worse as the version isn't last... | 20:28 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: ok, I'll buy it for now. and it's on me to prove why I don't like it when the time comes ;) | 20:29 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, nah, it has to make it through jamielennox first, and dolph | 20:29 |
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| ayoung | terry_howe, how do I plan on working on it? I think I can fix inside python-keystoneclient for now. | 20:33 |
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| terry_howe | I was just asking if you *were* going to work on it | 20:33 |
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| ayoung | terry_howe, I think the main problem is that the endpoints that come back in the service catalog are set assuming the user wants v2 | 20:34 |
| terry_howe | sounds like yes is the answer to that | 20:34 |
| ayoung | and I don't think we can change it | 20:34 |
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| ayoung | terry_howe, yeah, I think I can...I think I can... | 20:34 |
| terry_howe | okay, I saw the ticket come in and it seemed like an important issue, but I have plenty of neutron busy to keep me busy | 20:35 |
| ayoung | terry_howe, I'll move it to the keystone client | 20:35 |
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| terry_howe | cool, I was wondering if the work would be there | 20:36 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: here's a quick hack that gets rid of the version in DevStack's auth urls: https://review.openstack.org/62468 I think that's what you were trying to do with the database edit? | 20:37 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, suspect it will not pass gate, and if it does, it will break keystone, as we gate on unit tests for multiple client versions...actually, that is a very dangerous patch | 20:38 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: it's WIP for now…not intended for general use... | 20:39 |
| ayoung | nah...won't break keystone today...but it will break old client versions, I *think* | 20:39 |
| dstanek | bknudson: having fun with those keystone client tests :-) | 20:40 |
| ayoung | dstanek, zactly | 20:40 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i added tests for a bunch of versions, but if i run them all at the same time my vm runs out of memory :-) | 20:41 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: and it should actually pass all tests…no changes without the config in localrc | 20:41 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, IIUC we did this to ourselves when we told people to put v2.0 in the URLs in the first place....programming is one of those things where you make one mistake and support it for the rest of your life. | 20:43 |
| bknudson | dstanek: keystone client tests where? | 20:43 |
| bknudson | in tempest? | 20:43 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: no the ones that are in keystone | 20:44 |
| ayoung | bknudson, so what do you think would happen to the tests if we drop v2.0 off the url, and ran it against an old client | 20:44 |
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| bknudson | dstanek: in keystone, to drop the essex-1 and 0.1.1 versions? | 20:44 |
| dstanek | i added the ability to test other versions like 0.4.x | 20:45 |
| bknudson | dstanek: we've had complaints that the tests take a lot of memory before... then we said we'd move the tests to tempest | 20:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, so the v3 api calls in the python-keystoneclient do not handle the v2.0 coming back from the endpoints in the catalog... | 20:45 |
| bknudson | dstanek: and then it turns out that tempest doesn't want them. | 20:45 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i found the leak :-) or at least i thing i did | 20:45 |
| dstanek | working on fixing it now | 20:46 |
| dstanek | it looks like it's routes that consumes a fair amount or memory | 20:46 |
| bknudson | dstanek: I think I tried to fix a leak in there once... but I hoped that the switch to testr helped. | 20:46 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I thought we would have identity endpoint not have v2.0 or v3. | 20:46 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, and what about all of the code out there that sets the endpoints with v2.0 in it? | 20:47 |
| bknudson | ayoung: or we have a new endpoint for either "v3" or for "no version" | 20:47 |
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| ayoung | packstack, puppet, crowbar, fuel... | 20:47 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, now you see the scope of the problem | 20:47 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I'm thinking along these lines http://paste.openstack.org/show/55081/ | 20:48 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: how about if they set --os-identity-api-version then don't do discovery and require that the endpoint supports tha version. | 20:49 |
| ayoung | bknudson, nope...cuz of legacy | 20:49 |
| ayoung | bknudson, we have to assume v2.0 and v3 sit side by side | 20:50 |
| ayoung | and v2 is the current standard setter | 20:50 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, assume that the end user can't affect change on the server | 20:50 |
| bknudson | and if they don't say --os-identity-api-version then do discovery | 20:50 |
| dstanek | ayoung: why would you need to assume that for the case where a user is specifying the version they want? | 20:50 |
| ayoung | dstanek, because we lie to them | 20:50 |
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| ayoung | we tell them in the service catalog that the endpoint needs to end with v2.0 | 20:50 |
| dtroyer_zz | ayoung: I think we have to make sure that the vNN in SC is stopped with v2.0. Never suggst putting another version in there... | 20:51 |
| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I like that | 20:51 |
| ayoung | death to the version string! | 20:51 |
| bknudson | a client can't use service catalog to connect to keystone for auth, though? | 20:51 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: what tells them that? | 20:51 |
| ayoung | dstanek, service catalog comes back on a token request | 20:51 |
| dstanek | ayoung: ah i see | 20:51 |
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| bknudson | I'm going to listen to 3 dog night | 20:53 |
| ayoung | Jerimiah was a good friend of mine | 20:53 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: how does keystone lie to clients? | 20:55 |
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| bknudson | maybe the catalog should indicate the version if it's known | 20:55 |
| ayoung | bknudson, not Keystone, the configurationators that put the endpoints into the service catalog | 20:55 |
| bknudson | ayoung: what I configure HTTPD to serve identity API out of /identity/v3 ? | 20:56 |
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| dtroyer_zz | bknudson: that should still work... | 20:56 |
| bknudson | would be an odd configuration, then you'd have identity/v3/v2.0 and identity/v3/v3 | 20:57 |
| dtroyer_zz | at least I'm trying to make sure it does | 20:57 |
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| dtroyer_zz | bknudson: that's the reason for ayoung's step 5.x's, to edit known versions. or why I suggested the version never be published that way so we only have to edit 'v2.0' | 20:58 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: should they be putting the base endpoint with no version and letting the client figure it out? | 20:58 |
| dtroyer_zz | bknudson: in your httpd example, you's set up /identity rather than /identity/v3 | 20:58 |
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| bknudson | ok, so it looks like ayoung is trying to work with an endpoint defined like http://localhost:5000/v2.0 | 20:59 |
| bknudson | by parsing the url | 20:59 |
| bknudson | but for some reason also wants to work with /v3? | 21:00 |
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| bknudson | are identity endpoints being set up like http://localhost:5000/v3? | 21:00 |
| dtroyer_zz | That is what I want to avoid or we'll be in this loop forever | 21:00 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I don't see how step 5.x works with step 1? It's already assuming v3 API? | 21:01 |
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| bknudson | I'm wondering if ayoung's algorithm needs to work with http://localhost:5000/v3 or only http://localhost:5000/v2.0 ... | 21:02 |
| bknudson | if v3 endpoints don't exist out there then I don't see why | 21:02 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I think he wrote it for both, and it needs to because a user might set OS_AUTH_URL=https://localhost:5000/v3 even if it isn't in the service catalog | 21:03 |
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| bknudson | right, we can't use the service catalog for auth since you get catalog during auth | 21:03 |
| bknudson | but why then not also set OS_AUTH_VERSION=3 ? | 21:04 |
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| bknudson | and if OS_AUTH_VERSION isn't set then do discovery | 21:04 |
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| dtroyer_zz | That sould be the documented way to do it. But user's being users will eith cut-n-paste from a service catalog and/or just change 'v2.0' to 'v3' in their configs. | 21:05 |
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| ayoung | dtroyer_zz, I think that we can leave v2.0 in the docs for now, handle it automagically, and, once the v2 api is gone, document it with no version string | 21:06 |
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| bknudson | if we do discovery users won't notice... it'll work with either v2.0 or v3. | 21:06 |
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| ayoung | I'm less worried about the initial auth_url, as the user can modify that themselves. We'll start telling them to drop the version number and assume 3 | 21:07 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: dtroyer_zz - have you used this yet? https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/discover.py | 21:08 |
| ayoung | bknudson, "used" no, just reviewed | 21:08 |
| bknudson | ok, so if we're past the initial auth_url ... then they get a catalog and want to do some identity op | 21:09 |
| dtroyer_zz | bknudson: its on my list once I get the next OSC released (tomorrow maybe) | 21:09 |
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| bknudson | and the catalog they got back had v2.0 ... so v3 ops don't work | 21:09 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, yep | 21:10 |
| bknudson | ayoung: so is this something that you'd expect OSC to do something about or python-keystoneclient? | 21:10 |
| ayoung | p-kc | 21:10 |
| bknudson | python-keystoneclient could do something in its catalog... | 21:10 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I was thinking it was a OSC thing, but it really is keystone logic | 21:10 |
| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/service_catalog.py | 21:10 |
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| mriedem1 | bknudson: fyi https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware_security_strategy | 21:11 |
| bknudson | ayoung: if keystoneclient knew that v3 was used during auth then could use that info to update the catalog? | 21:11 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, that is the idea | 21:12 |
| ayoung | bknudson, assume v3 unless told otherwise would be my approach...and always keep that at the latest | 21:12 |
| ayoung | tis the restful way | 21:12 |
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| bknudson | mriedem1: looks like they're duplicating or could use what's being done in keystone for identity providers. (SAML support) | 21:13 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: now if we can have the API driven by hypermedia it would make upgrades easier | 21:14 |
| bknudson | ayoung: looks like we also know if the service catalog is v3 or v2... https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/service_catalog.py#L33 | 21:15 |
| ayoung | bknudson, problem is, what if you want to do v3, but the service catalog is v2? | 21:15 |
| dstanek | ayoung: could it be possible to specify the preferred version when doing auth? | 21:16 |
| dstanek | conneg or something similar... | 21:16 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I'm not rewriting the endpoints, if that is what you are implying | 21:16 |
| dstanek | that's exactly what i'm implying :-) | 21:17 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I thought your proposal was to rewrite the endpoints? http://paste.openstack.org/show/55081/ | 21:17 |
| ayoung | bknudson, on the client side | 21:18 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: how do you lead a client through a restful api if all of the links are wrong? | 21:18 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I am looking for a client fix I can deploy this release | 21:18 |
| bknudson | we could add something to the service catalog, like get_endpoints(service_type='identity', version='v2') | 21:18 |
| bknudson | and it could do whatever. | 21:18 |
| dstanek | ayoung: is this more of a short term fix? | 21:19 |
| ayoung | yeah | 21:19 |
| ayoung | and we don't need a long term one if we do the rest of it correctly | 21:19 |
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| ayoung | version strings in the API are dumb | 21:19 |
| dstanek | ayoung: ++ | 21:19 |
| ayoung | the more I think about it, the more I just want tod o https://keystone/auth/token | 21:19 |
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| ayoung | no version, no port | 21:19 |
| bknudson | maybe it's get_urls?? | 21:19 |
| ayoung | nothing but net | 21:20 |
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| ayoung | actually https://hostname/keystone/auth/token | 21:20 |
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| ayoung | if you want v2, send it as a content type | 21:20 |
| ayoung | something like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12037476/versioning-a-restful-api-with-both-xml-and-json-content-type | 21:21 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: but the v2 api might have different resources not just the representation | 21:23 |
| ayoung | bknudson, that is fine | 21:23 |
| dstanek | bknudson: if the client were coded correctly that would be fine | 21:23 |
| ayoung | bknudson, you only need the explicit representation for two different resources that use the same URL | 21:23 |
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| dstanek | things should be based on the rel | 21:24 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: Seems like something we could implement already | 21:28 |
| bknudson | would be nice if we had a more REST-based framework than the routes stuff | 21:29 |
| ayoung | bknudson, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+spec/endpoint-versioning | 21:29 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: next you're going to want to change from JSON by default to XML. | 21:38 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, HTML | 21:39 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: what is that trying to do ^ | 21:55 |
| jamielennox | ? | 21:55 |
| jamielennox | and why? | 21:55 |
| jamielennox | i don't think we should consider /v2.0 and /v3 a stable part of the API, they are just mount points | 21:56 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, good morning! | 21:56 |
| jamielennox | though dolphm disagrees | 21:56 |
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| ayoung | I'm being pragmatic here....there is too much code out there right now that assumes the v2.0 will be there in the endpoint, but I want people using v3 | 21:56 |
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| ayoung | we need to work around that | 21:56 |
| jamielennox | so use discovery | 21:56 |
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| jamielennox | if you pass the --os-identity-api-version=XXX as version=XXX it will just work | 21:57 |
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| jamielennox | but you need to point to the root URL | 21:57 |
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| jamielennox | this is fine for at least new CLI | 21:57 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, but what if the service catalog returns endpoints with /v2.0 on them? | 21:58 |
| bknudson | just be glad keystone doesn't put the tenant id in the endpoint | 21:58 |
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| ayoung | and if people have code for intergration that uses that v2.0 endpoint | 21:59 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i don't think that we can get to override that | 21:59 |
| ayoung | we can't force people to break their systems | 21:59 |
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| jamielennox | what if you want to make people use /v2.0? | 21:59 |
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| ayoung | so..if you want the v3 api and they are specifying v2.0...rewrite the url | 21:59 |
| ayoung | I can't really see a way a round it | 21:59 |
| jamielennox | neither | 21:59 |
| jamielennox | this is where i've always stumbled | 22:00 |
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| jamielennox | but i don't want to maintain that as long term behaviour | 22:00 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, now...if you were to say "if it is v2.0, chop that off and do discovery" you would probably be right. Strictly speaking | 22:00 |
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| ayoung | but it would be a performanice hit, and an unnecssary one | 22:01 |
| jamielennox | why? | 22:01 |
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| ayoung | so long as discover works, we can tell people, in the future to specify endpoing without the version in them | 22:01 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, performance hit for multiple round trips | 22:01 |
| jamielennox | trips for discovery? | 22:01 |
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| jamielennox | you do that once and then keep the client - it's not much of a hit | 22:01 |
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| lifeless | jamielennox: it isn't? | 22:02 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: it's +1 http request | 22:02 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: I say this sitting on 300ms latency to most cloud endpoints I use. | 22:02 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: exactly | 22:03 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: it dpeends on how you use the client i guess, on CLI there's a hit i guess unless we look at caching the discovery | 22:03 |
| sdague | dolphm / ayoung: so we've got this interesting race that just happened which hints at something very weird going on in keystone client | 22:03 |
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| sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/61/60961/9/check/check-dg-tempest-dsvm-full-reexec/9206afd/logs/screen-n-api.txt.gz?level=INFO#_2013-12-16_17_10_42_986 | 22:03 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, we don't have a caching mechanism yet | 22:04 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ^ | 22:04 |
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| ayoung | race in keystone client? | 22:04 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: so nova does this: | 22:05 |
| sdague | ayoung: that's my guess | 22:05 |
| lifeless | export COMPUTE_API_VERSION=1.1 | 22:05 |
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| lifeless | jamielennox: to avoid this, AIUI. | 22:05 |
| sdague | ayoung: keystoneclient's token caches all multi process safe? | 22:05 |
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| ayoung | sdague, you mean the memcached for the tokens in middleware/auth_token? | 22:06 |
| ayoung | sdague, what am I looking at? | 22:06 |
| jamielennox | sdague: the _cache_get is a memcache so that should be ok | 22:06 |
| sdague | the fact that it's exploding in trying to load the revocation list because it's not valid json makes me wonder | 22:06 |
| jamielennox | don't know much about memcache but it should be race safe | 22:06 |
| jamielennox | there is some saving /writing to disk that could be a race problem | 22:07 |
| sdague | ayoung: it's a devstack-gate change that's completely unrelated | 22:07 |
| dolphm | that could just be keystone puking a 500 or something... | 22:07 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60961/ | 22:08 |
| sdague | the keystone server logs look clean | 22:08 |
| jamielennox | if you were to launch multiple auth_tokens then they could try to fetch the revocation list and before writing it out and syncing it the other sees the file exists tries to read it and dies | 22:08 |
| sdague | jamielennox: so it's a tempest run, which means 4 simultaneous processes hitting openstack services | 22:08 |
| sdague | so possibly 4 keystoneclients acting simultaneously | 22:09 |
| jamielennox | the _cache_get failures are then that the token has been marked as failed in the cache, so it's not actually a cache failure | 22:09 |
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| dolphm | i don't actually see a corresponding call to get a revocation list in keystone's logs | 22:09 |
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| jamielennox | lifeless: sorry, what does epxorting API_VERSION give? | 22:10 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: AIUI it locks the nova api client to a version, avoids discovery | 22:11 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: I may be entirely wrong ;) | 22:11 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: that doesn't give us the endpoint for such a version though | 22:11 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: so we need a file lock around the read/write then? | 22:12 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: or use atomic rename-into-place | 22:12 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: oh this is 4 auth_tokens trying to cache to disk? | 22:12 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: not cache, just store the revocation list | 22:13 |
| jamielennox | ... so kinda cache | 22:13 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: oh? don't know it | 22:13 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: on POSIX file systems the rename call is atomic | 22:14 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: so if you write a file to a temporary file name, then rename it to the real file name, other readers see either the old file, or the new file. | 22:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i know i've asked you this before - why is it not caching that list in memory? | 22:14 |
| jeblair | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-keystoneclient/tree/keystoneclient/middleware/auth_token.py#n1220 | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | jamielennox, lifeless, dolphm: ^ i think that's the code in question | 22:15 |
| lifeless | as long as you close the file before renaming it that also means they either see the old content or the new content, never an empty file. | 22:15 |
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| jamielennox | lifeless: oh, ok - has a somewhat similar performance issue in that we can still have multiple middleware trying to download the list but at least the result would be stable | 22:15 |
| lifeless | this is true | 22:15 |
| lifeless | yeah line 1244 is unsafe | 22:16 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: no idea why it's not just using memcache | 22:16 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: come to think of it, auth_token may not have depended on memcache when that was written | 22:16 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: apply more dogpile plz ^ | 22:16 |
| jeblair | yeas, so the atomic rename from a tempfile would at least make it safe inasmuch as a reader would be guaranteed to get valid data. | 22:17 |
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| jeblair | it may not be up-to-date and you'd have race conditions with multiple writers possibly writing different data, but maybe that's okay for a cache. | 22:17 |
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| ayoung | should be OK | 22:18 |
| ayoung | problem is that really only one process needs to fetch the file, and the next need to wait for that | 22:18 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: agree, dogpile it - drop the file | 22:18 |
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| ayoung | there is not reason to have multiple processes fetch the revocationlist | 22:18 |
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| ayoung | problem isn't the file, it is multiple processes fetching it | 22:19 |
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| jamielennox | the only advantage i can see to having the file is if you want to sync revocations around using some other process, but the way we handle it in the middleware won't allow that any way | 22:20 |
| ayoung | keeping it in memory would probably be fine | 22:20 |
| ayoung | doesn't even need to be in memcache | 22:20 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: it would be useful to share it amongst processes | 22:20 |
| ayoung | file/memcache works for HTTPD though | 22:20 |
| ayoung | and file is problematic from SELinux perspective | 22:21 |
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| ayoung | memcache is probably right solution | 22:21 |
| jeblair | ayoung, jamielennox, sdague: i'll start writing up a bug for this | 22:21 |
| ayoung | but would be nice to get rid of the multiple fetch thing | 22:21 |
| jeblair | ayoung: does multiple-fetch only happen on a cold cache? | 22:21 |
| ayoung | nope | 22:21 |
| ayoung | cold cache? | 22:21 |
| ayoung | you mean expired cache? yea | 22:22 |
| ayoung | if there is nothing in the cache, of if it is expired, fetch a new one | 22:22 |
| ayoung | that really should be one worker doing that, and the rest blocking | 22:22 |
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| jeblair | yeah, just wondering how often you'd expect it to happen; and if it's worth the tradeoff for locking | 22:23 |
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| jeblair | ayoung, jamielennox, lifeless, sdague, dolphm: bug 1261554 | 22:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1261554 in python-keystoneclient "Keystoneclient revocation list is not multi-thread/process safe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261554 | 22:27 |
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| nkinder | bknudson: thanks for your review on the KDS API! | 23:19 |
| bknudson | nkinder: no problem. | 23:19 |
| nkinder | bknudson: I just pushed a new review that corrects the one typo you pointed out. | 23:19 |
| bknudson | don't know if it's going to be in keystone or barbican. | 23:19 |
| nkinder | bknudson: I'd love it if you could +1 it when you get a chance. | 23:19 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i think it's back to keystone's repo lol | 23:21 |
| dolphm | bknudson: but as a completely standalone service that we can copy/paste out | 23:21 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, the idea is that it'll be in Keystone until we find a permanent home for it (e.g. barbican... or 100% standalone) mostly so it can land sooner and be consumable in icehouse. | 23:21 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, correct me if i'm wrong in my remembering of the whole convo | 23:21 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 23:22 |
| bknudson | although maybe barbican will end up in keystone somehow. | 23:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we shall see where incubation lands it. so - still means KDS should be in keystone (for now) | 23:22 |
| morganfainberg | afaict | 23:22 |
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| bknudson | the spec looks good so it will be interesting seeing it in action. | 23:25 |
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| bknudson | is any actual code out there yet? | 23:25 |
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| thingee | angdraug: I'll take another look at the review today. Sorry had a long meeting. I also wanted to review the one from dosaboy. | 23:30 |
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| angdraug | thanks! | 23:34 |
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| nkinder | bknudson: there is KDS code out there that jamielennox is working on | 23:43 |
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