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| hub_cap | hey crew, #openstack-meeting-alt's topic is goofy. its set to "Action items for last meeting (savanna)".. i assume the bot died during a meeting | 00:10 |
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| clarkb | hub_cap: thats basically what happened | 00:11 |
| clarkb | if you start a meeting it will change | 00:11 |
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| clarkb | I can change the topic to something else though /me looks at meetbot docs | 00:11 |
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| hub_cap | i tried to change the default topic back to what the #openstack-meeting channel says | 00:12 |
| hub_cap | im sure w/ privs u can just change it and meetbot will change it _back_ when its done (/me guesses) | 00:12 |
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| clarkb | meetbot is supposed to change it back after meetings | 00:14 |
| clarkb | but I think it must've died or split away at some point leaving the topic where it is now | 00:14 |
| hub_cap | right | 00:14 |
| hub_cap | so the "back" is what it is now | 00:14 |
| hub_cap | so a basic topic change should fix things | 00:14 |
| clarkb | ya | 00:15 |
| hub_cap | and for some reason i thought this was in -infra, doh | 00:15 |
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| hub_cap | thx clarkb u rock | 00:18 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, So..pretty sure that https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1220913 is invalid. Pretty sure that anyone attempting to use the old methods on a custom driver is pretty well out of luck | 02:13 |
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| hugokuo | keystone question : Is keystone provide a function to limit services for a particular tenant now ? | 03:24 |
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| lari__ | is there something like this in neutron: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/hooks.html ? | 05:05 |
| lari__ | i need to modify _generate_ip method found in db_base_plugin_v2.py | 05:06 |
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| jd__ | sdague: that's a good one :) it seems US people have trouble with that whereas it's common in France; we numerate weeks starting with week #1 for the first one starting on Monday in the year, so if the week number is odd or even we have different a time for our meeting | 08:46 |
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| chmouel | safchain: why did u fork devstack in enovance github repo? | 09:54 |
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| skraynev | sdague: Hi. Could you please give your feedback on comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52070/ | 10:27 |
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| lari__ | can anyone help me with request extensions (neutron)? I want to write a request extension for a method that is behind url http://10.75.107.97:9696/v2.0/ports.json (POST) | 11:04 |
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| lari__ | is this the correct way to define the url_route: extensions.RequestExtension('POST', '/v2.0/ports', _create_port_handler) ? | 11:04 |
| lari__ | didn't found examples anywhere | 11:04 |
| lari__ | well, except foxinsocks in unit tests but that didnt help | 11:05 |
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| jruzicka | mordred, hey! I'd like to ask about status of oslo.version. I see it exists but it doesn't seem to be on PyPi yet - is it going to make it to Icehouse? | 12:13 |
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| mordred | jruzicka: hi! dhellmann and I actually chatted about that at the summit and about whether it actually makes sense for that code to be split into its own library or whether it should just stay in pbr | 12:14 |
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| mordred | jruzicka: I've become a little bit on the fence about it myself- I'm not sure I fully grok whether or not we should go through the effort of two libraries when we currently have one | 12:15 |
| mordred | but - let's wait for dhellmann to wake up and chime in | 12:15 |
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| jruzicka | mordred, from my point of view as a clients packager for Fedora/RDO, I would really like it to happen because currently I "need" to nuke pbr runtime dep because it doesn't make sense as runtime dep and has quite few deps itself | 12:19 |
| mordred | jruzicka: oh hi! I'd love to talk to you then | 12:20 |
| mordred | because you do not need to nuke pbr | 12:20 |
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| mordred | and it has no deps | 12:20 |
| mordred | but there might be confusion | 12:20 |
| mordred | and I'd love to clear that up! | 12:20 |
| mordred | (I put in a bunch of stuff to help make packagers happy) | 12:20 |
| jruzicka | mordred, same here ;) | 12:21 |
| mordred | jruzicka: first of all - have you seen http://docs.openstack.org/developer/pbr/packagers.html ? | 12:21 |
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| jruzicka | mordred, yup, I stumbled upon that and I'm aware you don't need to nuke it to prevent reqs autodownload (which you don't really want with package managers, right) | 12:22 |
| mordred | jruzicka: the only requirement pbr itself has is pip ... except it's TOTALLY not necessary if you're doing rpms | 12:22 |
| jruzicka | mordred, in time I started packaging havana clients I recall it depending on python-extras, was that the case? | 12:22 |
| mordred | jruzicka: there were several more requirements early on | 12:22 |
| jruzicka | so these are removed? | 12:22 |
| mordred | we removed them because of packager pain | 12:22 |
| mordred | yes | 12:23 |
| jruzicka | oh, nice, I didn't notice that | 12:23 |
| mordred | if you make an rpm of pbr, and then make sure you set SKIP_PIP_INSTALL in anything using pbr | 12:23 |
| mordred | then it shouldn't cause you any particular pain | 12:23 |
| jruzicka | oh, I see. Do you happen to know which version removed these deps? | 12:23 |
| mordred | I do not, but they've been gone for a while | 12:24 |
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| mordred | certainly the version that havana depends on | 12:24 |
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| mordred | I'm not sure what your workflow is around tarballs - do you consume the openstack published tarballs as the basis for your packages? or do you build your own? | 12:25 |
| jruzicka | so that's my ignorance, then | 12:25 |
| mordred | we could have done a much better job around communicating pbr things this cycle | 12:25 |
| jruzicka | yes, I base all packages on pypi tarball with extra patches as needed | 12:25 |
| mordred | I _think_ we've fixed most of the crazy | 12:25 |
| mordred | perfect | 12:25 |
| jruzicka | what might be worth mentioning about clients is | 12:25 |
| mordred | then the git codepaths in pbr shouldn't be triggered at all | 12:25 |
| mordred | (and if they are, it's a bug that I will happily fix!) | 12:26 |
| jruzicka | since there are no mechanisms to actually ensure clients backwards compatibility | 12:26 |
| mordred | ah - funny you should mention that... | 12:26 |
| jruzicka | I maintain my own stable/$RELEASE branches | 12:26 |
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| jruzicka | basically latest versions when release wen out | 12:26 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41931/ | 12:26 |
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| mordred | we're adding backwards compat gate jobs | 12:27 |
| jruzicka | niiice | 12:27 |
| mordred | we try to do things to make you happy | 12:27 |
| jruzicka | I heard about this happening, nice that it wasn't rumor :) | 12:27 |
| jruzicka | appreciated! | 12:27 |
| mordred | now - for some reason, the released version of keystoneclient seems to still be using old pbr | 12:27 |
| * mordred wags fist at doron_afk | 12:27 | |
| mordred | not doron_afk, sorry | 12:27 |
| * mordred wags fist at dolphm. damn. he's not here | 12:27 | |
| jruzicka | So with this great information, I'll begin droping pbr-nuke patches and just use SKIP_PIP_INSTALL=1 | 12:28 |
| mordred | woot! if you have problems with that - please ping me, the intent is that you should be able to use it with no problem | 12:28 |
| jruzicka | so with pbr having sane deps now, splitting versioning part of it doesn't make that much sense, hmm? | 12:28 |
| mordred | actually, in theory, you shouldn't even need SKIP_PIP_INSTALL - since rpm I _think_ passes --single-version-externally-managed to setup.py already? | 12:28 |
| mordred | jruzicka: I think that's correct, yes | 12:29 |
| mordred | jruzicka: or, at least, that was the thinking - originally it was harder to deal with | 12:29 |
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| jruzicka | last time I checked, builds failed because pip is blocked in build environment but it tryied to contact pypi | 12:29 |
| mordred | yah. ok. in that case, just be explicit and set SKIP_PIP_INSTALL and you should be set | 12:30 |
| jruzicka | I must admit I wasn't checking if pbr is fixed very thoroughly (read: not at all), so shame on me ;) | 12:30 |
| mordred | heh. I don't blame you - this project moves ... quickly :) | 12:30 |
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| jruzicka | yep, I was considering thet, but then there was this python-extras dep which seemed very unreasonable to just get version ;) | 12:30 |
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| jruzicka | I actually replaced the VersionInfo with my mock structure and set the version to RPM version | 12:31 |
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| jruzicka | which shouldn't be needed now... yay! | 12:31 |
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| jruzicka | one more thing in this matter | 12:31 |
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| jruzicka | CLI integration/smoke tests seems to be nonexistent ATM or are they? I know there were(/are?) devstack exercises which did some basic sanity checks | 12:32 |
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| jruzicka | but they were mosty ugly bash which didn't provide much useful info when something broke | 12:32 |
| jruzicka | I actually wrote something small I use to smoke test clients | 12:32 |
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| jruzicka | https://github.com/yac/clismoke | 12:32 |
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| jruzicka | idea being, when I package new client version, I just run tests/$PROJECT.py | 12:33 |
| jruzicka | and if it passes, it's very likely to work | 12:33 |
| jruzicka | is there a similiar upstream solution? | 12:33 |
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| mordred | ah. well... no | 12:40 |
| mordred | there _is_ a set of stuff in tempest that does client lib api testing things | 12:40 |
| mordred | sdague: ^^ | 12:40 |
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| mordred | sdague: we've got someone who wants and has written some tests that the CLIs work | 12:40 |
| mordred | sdague: any thoughts on how we can integrate that into tempest? | 12:41 |
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| jruzicka | last time I checked, tempest CLI test were... err... well. | 12:42 |
| jruzicka | :) | 12:42 |
| jruzicka | oh, you said lib api | 12:43 |
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| jruzicka | co I'm interested in CLI tests. It's not very easy to do due to parsing-unfriendly client output, but still having basic CLI integration/smoke tests would IMHO be beneficial. | 12:46 |
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| jruzicka | As a bonus information, openstackclient will soon make it to RDO | 12:47 |
| jruzicka | I wonder if it will get out of alfa for Icehoushe... hmm. | 12:47 |
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| Dafna | ndipanov: hi | 13:07 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, I commented on the review and the bug. we can hash it out today... provided I make it into the office / can actually get a computer open for longer than a few minutes | 13:29 |
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| dolphm_ | morganfainberg: i have faith | 13:30 |
| dolphm_ | morganfainberg: which review? | 13:30 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, the assignment proxy one | 13:30 |
| morganfainberg | i have up | 13:30 |
| dolphm_ | ah, to restore deprecated calls? | 13:30 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, yeah | 13:30 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, i don't think i even opened my computer yesterday. was _super_ out of it. | 13:31 |
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| morganfainberg | retr0h, i commented on a patchset of yours... don't remember which but just wanted to give a heads up on my thoughts. i'll look at my reviewed list and let you know if i have any specifics. (didn't just want to -1 and run yannow) | 13:32 |
| dolphm_ | hi, retr0h! (who's retr0h?) | 13:32 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, if we opt not to restore the deprecated calls, i am fine with it, just was going by the summit session discussion. | 13:32 |
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| dolphm_ | i'd like to restore them so we can claim stable deprecated compatibilityness from havana forward | 13:33 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, that is my thought. i'll wedge in some clever testing or some such to make sure argspec is the same. | 13:33 |
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| morganfainberg | maybe just use inspect and/or something similar to get the info. simple since these are all just plain proxy | 13:34 |
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| morganfainberg | retr0h, oh oh nvm wasn't a review was a bug report! aha! | 13:38 |
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| sdague | mordred: so we had a conversation about that at summit, until the clients guaruntee a contract, I'm a little wary about taking things in. That being said, if they have patches, it would be interesting to see what they looked like | 14:03 |
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| rcrit | have a bug process question on the puppet modules. | 14:20 |
| rcrit | the repository uses git submodules, and I feature that crosses two of them | 14:20 |
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| rcrit | should each change have its own bug since it is in a different submodule? If so, how would I link those changes? | 14:20 |
| rcrit | or can I use a single bug to cover both? | 14:20 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, dolphm_ if the idea is that we are going to backport the deprecations to Havana it will work, but that is a major enough change that I would not really endorse pushing it to a stable release. I'm alos a little concerned with people that have custom plugins thinking that they will continue to work, and getting messed up buy the SQL assignments backend. LDAP got grandfathered in, but I am not certain what would happen w | 15:00 |
| ayoung | ith, say, Dreamhost's private plugin if they try calling their Identity functions that should now resolve to the assignments backend. | 15:00 |
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| reidrac | hugokuo: ping | 15:56 |
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| reidrac | hugokuo: do you remember the issue I was experiencing with swift 1.10.0? I've isolated the change that introduced it: https://github.com/openstack/swift/commit/0fdad0d9d9e68b00f61171bb2a0dfd840ef5345f | 15:58 |
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| reidrac | hugokuo: after reverting that change, everything's fine! | 15:58 |
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| retr0h | dolphm_: nobody important :) | 16:06 |
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| jd__ | (russellb: btw my FWIW comment on telemetry wasn't supposed to be rude or anything, even if short) | 16:08 |
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| russellb | jd__: understood, it's a good reference | 16:13 |
| russellb | jd__: i was googling around for definitions when you posted it, i'm sure others would be doing the same | 16:13 |
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| russellb | my initial reaction was based on a specific use of "telemetry" in health care | 16:14 |
| russellb | but i see that it's really defined to be much more generic | 16:14 |
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| jd__ | understood, I didn't encounter the word often enough to have any kind of preconception about it :) | 16:15 |
| jd__ | it just makes me think of teletubbies | 16:15 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, do we really need to support backwards compat on the token Provider API? Its horrible. The Parameters for creating a V2 and V3 Token are completely different. If we are going to make these APIs long lived, we really need to have some reasonable APIs to begin with. | 16:20 |
| ayoung | I would whine to gyee since he wrote it, but he's not here | 16:20 |
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| hugokuo | reidrac : hmm.... but that should be merge into 1.10 tho ... | 16:24 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: the "proxy" method were removed in icehouse, so we can/should fix them in icehouse | 16:27 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, Ah...OK, that is fine, then. | 16:28 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, I still think that the end result is going to be broken | 16:28 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: ? | 16:28 |
| ayoung | think->suspect | 16:28 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, say a user has a custom identity backend | 16:28 |
| ayoung | they are not going to know about the assignments backend | 16:28 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: the functions in their identity backend aren't going to be called anymore. | 16:29 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ++ ... *thinking* | 16:29 |
| bknudson | because we've changed the calls from identity_api to assignment_api | 16:29 |
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| bknudson | unless they've got the same backend for identity and assignment. | 16:30 |
| dolphm | we definitely won't be calling custom grizzly-based identity drivers for assignment stuff anymore.. | 16:31 |
| bknudson | if we need to support something then we should have tests for it | 16:31 |
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| dolphm | shardy: o/ | 16:35 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Hi! | 16:38 |
| shardy | dolphm: Just reading your ML response, thanks, very helpful | 16:38 |
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| shardy | Hey dolphm, any chance of a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54378/? | 16:44 |
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| shardy | It's been waiting a while :) | 16:44 |
| dolphm | shardy: sorry, i'm bouncing all over the place this morning | 16:45 |
| dolphm | shardy: i definitely owe you a review! | 16:45 |
| shardy | dolphm: np | 16:45 |
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| dolphm | shardy: but wanted to ask if you're really looking for multi-project tokens? | 16:45 |
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| dolphm | shardy: or if i'm overthinking this or something | 16:45 |
| dolphm | shardy: (i'm hoping something simpler will work) | 16:46 |
| shardy | dolphm: Well, there is a use-case for them I think | 16:46 |
| shardy | dolphm: I'm currently trying to understand if a domain-scoped token is sufficient | 16:46 |
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| shardy | if Heat learns about domains that is | 16:46 |
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| dolphm | shardy: be careful about that... | 16:46 |
| dolphm | shardy: domain-level authorization is discrete from authorization on all the projects in the domain | 16:47 |
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| dolphm | shardy: i don't want other projects to have to track the mapping of projects -> domains | 16:47 |
| shardy | dolphm: Some folks want an API to retrieve data for all stacks, a "management-api" | 16:47 |
| shardy | dolphm: It seemed like something we could handle based on the token role/project mapping | 16:48 |
| shardy | but now you said that tokens are scoped to a single project, I'm not sure we can.. | 16:48 |
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| shardy | dolphm: I'm trying to avoid heat growing a separate API for management, which provides the exact same data, but scoped differently | 16:49 |
| shardy | ie all stacks in a domain, not just all stacks in a tenant | 16:49 |
| dolphm | shardy: it wouldn't be a great idea with the current token architecture and policy engine | 16:49 |
| dolphm | shardy: i'd love to have an ABAC-based policy engine at least as a deployment option, and then this would be quite easy | 16:50 |
| shardy | dolphm: Ok, I may have misunderstood where we are with the v3 auth boundaries then | 16:50 |
| dolphm | shardy: (easy is too strong of a word, but... easier) | 16:51 |
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| shardy | dolphm: I assumed, because you can specify role-domain and role-project mappings that we could scope the data returned using that info | 16:51 |
| dolphm | shardy: anyway, you're right to carefully consider a management api | 16:51 |
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| shardy | dolphm: In your opinion, right now, is the right answer a for loop around multiple (project scoped) API calls? | 16:52 |
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| shardy | or is there a better way? | 16:52 |
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| shardy | dolphm: If you have any docs explaining the domain/project heirarchy and how it relates to tokens, that would help | 16:53 |
| dolphm | shardy: i think the for-loop approach is "best" at the moment, yeah | 16:54 |
| dolphm | shardy: although i understand it's less than ideal for end users | 16:54 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Ok, thanks | 16:55 |
| shardy | dolphm: It's a shame, as scoping the data at the DB query level would be *so* much more efficient | 16:55 |
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| dolphm | shardy: the v3 doc touches on domains/projects vs tokens, but i can try to write a more thorough explanation and figure out where such docs would fit | 16:55 |
| dolphm | shardy: just curious, what's the data being requested exactly? | 16:56 |
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| shardy | dolphm: I'm just trying to understand, if authrorization against a domain != auth against every project in the domain, what the practical use-case is for domains | 16:56 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Some folks want to retrieve service-provider level data, e.g number of stacks in a particular state globally | 16:57 |
| shardy | dolphm: I had assumed the same kind of actions would be appropriate to a "domain admin" end user, but it seems my assumptions don't match the current state of things :) | 16:58 |
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| dolphm | shardy: https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#tokens | 16:58 |
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| dolphm | shardy: i think i can expand on that a bit | 16:58 |
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| dolphm | shardy: "number of stacks in a particular state globally" is that actually sensitive information? | 16:59 |
| dolphm | shardy: (do you need to protect it with authz checks?) | 16:59 |
| shardy | dolphm: I think the nature of what was discussed indicated that it does need to be authenticated | 17:00 |
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| shardy | dolphm: So what does a domain scoped token actually allow you do do? | 17:01 |
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| shardy | are there any examples in openstack where they are used, which I can refer to? | 17:01 |
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| shardy | dolphm: providing a domain-wide API for stacks may be one solution | 17:01 |
| dolphm | shardy: regarding practical use case for domains -- the first use case is for domain-level identity management in keystone | 17:02 |
| dolphm | for domain scoped tokens* | 17:02 |
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| dolphm | shardy: but then heat has to either track domain-project mapping, or request GET /v3/domains/{tokens_domain_id}/projects from keystone to serve each request | 17:02 |
| shardy | dolphm: I'm trying to understand, if a user authenticates against out API with a domain-scoped token, what they should be allowed to access | 17:02 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Sure, I'd assumed we'd need to do one or the other | 17:03 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Anyway, thanks for the info, I have plenty to think about now :) | 17:10 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: ping | 17:18 |
| devananda | dhellmann: question about http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ironic/tree/ironic/openstack/common/rpc/__init__.py#n59 when you're around | 17:18 |
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| winckler | Hi! I would like to know the status of the federated keystone. | 17:21 |
| winckler | And what about authentication with OpenID or OAuth? | 17:21 |
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| garyk | adam_g: ping | 17:43 |
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| dolphm | shardy: still thinking about your use case... tenantless (context-free) role assignments would also solve your use case, i think | 17:48 |
| dolphm | shardy: so *any* token, scoped or not, would carry tenantless role assignments, and then you could enforce normal rbac | 17:49 |
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| dolphm | i.e. "global" roles | 17:50 |
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| shardy | dolphm: So the user authenticates with an unscoped token, which results in X-Roles containing the trusted role, but nothing in X-Project* or X-Domain-*? | 17:53 |
| dolphm | shardy: exactly | 17:53 |
| dolphm | shardy: it's been a *long* time since we've discussed global roles | 17:54 |
| dolphm | probably worth discussing again | 17:55 |
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| shardy | dolphm: So what credentials does a user require to get an unscoped token? | 17:55 |
| dolphm | shardy: username, password (and domain in v3, or assume 'default') | 17:56 |
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| dolphm | shardy: in a default deployment, anyway | 17:56 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Hmm, this sounds like it would be insecure, if any user can get an unscoped token | 17:59 |
| dolphm | shardy: i don't follow? | 17:59 |
| dolphm | shardy: they still have to have an explicit role assignment | 18:00 |
| shardy | dolphm: Ok and just use the policy to deny anyone who doesn't have the super-admin role | 18:00 |
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| shardy | dolphm: It just seems a bit "allow by default" rather than filtering data explicityly based on the users project membership | 18:01 |
| shardy | dolphm: I probably just need to think about it a bit longer :) | 18:02 |
| dolphm | shardy: well, your use case is not one that makes sense in a multi-tenant environment | 18:02 |
| dolphm | shardy: it's not just cross-tenant either ... it's tenantless | 18:02 |
| dolphm | shardy: at least, that's how i'm understanding it | 18:02 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Yes, I think that's a fair asessment of what's being requested | 18:03 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Context https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-management-api | 18:06 |
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| shardy | dolphm: Planned #4,5&7 is what we're discussing, just FYI | 18:06 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: pong | 18:20 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: hiya. | 18:22 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: you had a question about rpc? | 18:23 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: yep. was just digging up the bug #: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1250575 | 18:24 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: it looks like we missed a reference to the old common exception module when it was removed | 18:25 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: i tried resyncing from oslo - it doesn't add ironic.common.exception into the allowed list | 18:25 |
| devananda | dhellmann: is that something we need to do by hand each time? | 18:26 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: it looks like we have project-specific values upstream, so you could add it there | 18:27 |
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| dhellmann | in oslo, I mean | 18:27 |
| dhellmann | devananda: otoh, you should look at oslo.messaging and see how it handles the same option | 18:27 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: it might be nicer to make that more flexible, though, so maybe add "oslo.common.exception" and let the copy script change "oslo" to "ironic" | 18:29 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: think that's worth going upstream? I'm happy to do so | 18:30 |
| dhellmann | devananda: now that I look at it, I'm not sure why that's even an option | 18:30 |
| devananda | heh | 18:30 |
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| dhellmann | but, yes, go ahead and make the oslo change in the incubator and then you won't have to keep tweaking it when you sync | 18:32 |
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| devananda | ack | 18:34 |
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| mrodden | is stackforge for any projects or just openstack related? | 18:37 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: it looks like oslo update.py scans for import lines to rewrite, not quoted config option lines :) | 18:46 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I thought it looked for strings, too | 18:47 |
| dhellmann | devananda: this is not the first option default where we are translating the default to the component name (the exchange name does that, too, iirc) | 18:47 |
| devananda | k. lemme dig some more then | 18:47 |
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| mrodden | we have some db2 and qpid chef cookbooks that we us to do deployments of openstack and set it up with db2/qpid support. they are currently internal only but we want to put them out in the open for people to work on and use. anyone have any opinions on that being acceptable/possible to put these in stackforge? | 18:50 |
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| dhellmann | mrodden: where do the puppet module repositories live? | 18:51 |
| devananda | dhellmann: yea. it preserves the 'openstack' dir in the path. eg, 'openstack.common.exception' -> 'ironic.openstack.common.exception' | 18:51 |
| devananda | dhellmann: whereas what i'm looking for is a result of 'ironic.common.exception' | 18:51 |
| dhellmann | devananda: try "oslo.common.exception" | 18:51 |
| devananda | did. it was unchanged | 18:51 |
| dhellmann | the "oslo" should be replaced with "ironic" | 18:51 |
| mrodden | dhellmann: openstack-infra i believe, but those are used by them to do infra stuff | 18:51 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: looks like rpc/ is excluded from the s/olso/base/ replacing | 18:53 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/update.py#n145 | 18:54 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: wow, I wonder why that is | 18:54 |
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| mrodden | git blame | 18:55 |
| devananda | removing that changes a few version strings | 18:55 |
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| sandywalsh | harlowja, http://www.serfdom.io/ | 18:56 |
| harlowja | neat | 18:56 |
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| devananda | mrodden: afaik, stackforge is a reasonable place for openstack-related projects. i'd double-check with folks in the -infra channel, though | 18:56 |
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| harlowja | sandywalsh i also found https://pypi.python.org/pypi/py-raft recently | 18:57 |
| harlowja | idk if its in a workable state | 18:57 |
| mrodden | devananda: ok sounds good. i think they have the keys to the projects.yaml as well :) | 18:57 |
| devananda | mrodden: it's meant as a place for proejcts to benefit from our infra (gerrit, jenkins, etc). so if your project would benefit from those, it seems good to me | 18:57 |
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| mrodden | right | 18:58 |
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| mrodden | which is exactly what i'd like to take advantage of | 18:58 |
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| sandywalsh | harlowja, cool | 18:58 |
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| harlowja | ya, but go seems to be the new hotness to develop this stuff in, ha | 18:59 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: have you looked at how that feature works in oslo.messaging? | 19:02 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: we're going to want projects to stop using the common/rpc stuff soon anyway... | 19:02 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: no, haven't followed that | 19:03 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: got any pointers to info on what we'll need to change? | 19:03 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: when you get a chance take a look at review 49062 again; i responded to most of your comments | 19:05 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: markmc is leading that up, but in general we're trying to rely less on configuration options so there *might* be an API to set these values | 19:15 |
| dhellmann | devananda: that's another approach you could take, using set_defaults() in ironic instead of changing the defaults explicitly | 19:16 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i see no expectation of backporting any deprecated items to havana | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, simply maintain that havana -> Icehouse has support for the same mechanisms. | 19:19 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i think we got that straightened out | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ok | 19:19 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, cool. | 19:19 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: there was confusion over when the proxy calls were dropped | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | ahhh | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 19:20 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, I thought I had removed that in Havana, but it wasn't until Icehouse, so no problem | 19:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, cool. | 19:20 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, but...I suspect that replacing those calls falls into "necessary but not sufficient" | 19:20 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: if you want to possibly cry, read back to the last few bits of conversation between myself and shardy | 19:21 |
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| ayoung | If someone was using a custom identity backend, including the assignment calls, we are going to break them if they try to use the new assignment backend | 19:21 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i put it on the keystone meeting agenda for next time | 19:21 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'm going to put a couple deprecation tests in that make sure the code proxies cleanly. anything new though should be pointed at assignment. we shouldn't need to add "new" calls to the identity api to proxy. | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, let me scroll upwards and read ... | 19:22 |
| ayoung | I suspect that that "right" approach would include building an Assignment backend that talks to an old identity backend end | 19:22 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: also, ayoung/bkhudson have a point that i'm still trying to wrap my head around ^^ | 19:23 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, as far as shardy_afk 's use case, I suspect what he really wants is service scoped roles...which would make Arvind Happy | 19:24 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: he doesn't want service-scoped roles, he wants service-owned roles | 19:26 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I know | 19:26 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, what shardy_afk is looking for is probably similar: I need a role that will work on this service, regardless of domain/project restrictions | 19:27 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, but i think arvind's use case was a scoped + service scoped | 19:28 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: that's not similar in my mind | 19:28 |
| morganfainberg | at least that was my understanding | 19:28 |
| morganfainberg | it's a bit different from the global role concept that seems to be in that conversation... i think it sounds like global roles? | 19:28 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, morganfainberg actually, it makes for an interesting concept: different people can decorate a user with different roles...there is no one person that has total control over what roles they get. And the roles are only relevant in certain contexts. | 19:28 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: you're just describing delegation, no? | 19:29 |
| ayoung | dolphm, actually josecastro was suggesting that Trusts could be used to do just that, | 19:29 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: if "context" is a set of resources, then that's already done by token scoping. if "context" is a service, then that's already done by policy enforcement | 19:30 |
| ayoung | dolphm, correct, which is why I don't think shardy_afk really needs what he think he needs | 19:30 |
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| ayoung | A role is really " a named attribute scoped to some container" | 19:30 |
| ayoung | and we've defined those containers as domains, which contain projects | 19:31 |
| ayoung | we could have the same abstraction by saying that projects could be nested, and then it would go arbitrarily deep | 19:31 |
| ayoung | as I reacll, I suggested that when it was first proposed | 19:31 |
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| ayoung | and now that we're talking about domains for users as a different concept to domains for projects, I suspect that the nesting concept makes sense again. | 19:32 |
| ayoung | If we were to say that "projects" were a tree, and a project could be nested in a project, with roles inherited downward (admin on root is admin on all domains) it would be a very clean impl | 19:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm not sure a tenant hierarchy solves this use case -- there's literally no tenant in context. it's not cross-tenant or multi-tenant or "parent" tenant or anything | 19:33 |
| ayoung | retr0h, ask in here | 19:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there are literally no openstack resources involved, and therefore no tenancy to consider | 19:33 |
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| retr0h | when running more than 1 keystone server and using PKI only /etc/keystone/ssl needs shared across each keystone server, I don't need to set token backend to memcached even if less efficient, ya? | 19:35 |
| ayoung | retr0h, no, you don't need to | 19:35 |
| morganfainberg | retr0h, you can use SQL as the token backend. you just can't use KVS (please don't use kvs) | 19:35 |
| ayoung | retr0h, if you use memcached, it needs to be a shared memcached instance accessable by all of the keystone servers | 19:36 |
| retr0h | right | 19:36 |
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| morganfainberg | and by kvs i mean the current kvs driver. | 19:36 |
| dolphm | or dogpile to memcached + sql | 19:37 |
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| dolphm | + bug reports to morganfainberg | 19:37 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 19:37 |
| retr0h | I was just curious if memcached was necessary with PKI | 19:37 |
| retr0h | well memcached or sql | 19:37 |
| dolphm | retr0h: we're working towards making PKI tokens completely ephemeral | 19:37 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: we could definitely have a "disable_revocations" option today to kill token persistance | 19:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, aye. we could | 19:38 |
| morganfainberg | well. | 19:38 |
| morganfainberg | could we? | 19:39 |
| retr0h | alright cool... currently I use UUID + memcached backend, but for some reason keystone 100 cpu's after a few days.. will have to dig in deeper.. never had that problem with this setup in grizzly | 19:39 |
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| morganfainberg | retr0h, i'll be i know what the issue is. the memcache backend had a fix that requires scrubbing of the user-token-list on each new token issuance | 19:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: we'd have to get information out of the token and put it into context rather than reaching straight to the backend for it | 19:39 |
| morganfainberg | apparently under high token load, it's causing issues. | 19:40 |
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| morganfainberg | high token issuance load that is. | 19:40 |
| retr0h | morganfainberg: interesting... I'm don't really have much going on in this env tho | 19:40 |
| retr0h | I'll dig into it more | 19:40 |
| retr0h | could be token expiration and my monitoring | 19:41 |
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| morganfainberg | retr0h, ok, | 19:41 |
| retr0h | thx guys... deff would be cool to have no need for memcached or sql for pki | 19:41 |
| retr0h | i hate dumping tokenns into sql ... thats more cruft and more stuff that gets stuck into backups and replicated | 19:42 |
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| retr0h | and yes I know I could remove tokens in sql.. just rather not put them in there at all | 19:42 |
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| morganfainberg | retr0h, i hear ya. the clouds my company runs we only use SQL at this point | 19:43 |
| retr0h | yeah.. no worries... we used to | 19:43 |
| morganfainberg | retr0h, we would rather not, but we found the memcache driver to be ... not sufficient | 19:43 |
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| morganfainberg | if we didn't need to track tokens for a given user, memcache wouldn't be as bad a choice of a token backend | 19:44 |
| morganfainberg | we have some requirements that makes it difficult. | 19:44 |
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| retr0h | understood | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | retr0h, let me know if it's the token backend that is causing your keystone high load. i'd be interested to have more data points | 19:45 |
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| dolphm | ++ | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | retr0h, i can dig deeper into the memcache code stuff if it is really the case and we can work on prioritizing a fix that can be backported to havana. | 19:46 |
| retr0h | morganfainberg: will do... the guys turned off the second keystone server and flipped back to kvs for now, while we were in HK | 19:46 |
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| retr0h | so need to do further exploring | 19:46 |
| retr0h | but again, memcached works like a charm under grizzly .. had many many hundreds of tenants w/o issue.. so I just need to poke around | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | retr0h, until you have a bunch of tokens issued for a user and end up in a state that you can no longer issue tokens for that user until the user's token-list is manually cleared :P (that is the source of the fixes that went into havana) | 19:49 |
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| ayoung | I'd love it if someone could quantify the positive or negative benfits of the PKI tokens. It could well be thatthe 100% CPU is due to some side effect of the popen/cms utility | 19:49 |
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| retr0h | morganfainberg: ahh! | 19:50 |
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| ayoung | retr0h, I would not expect memcached to be any different than SQL for CPU usage, just memory usage. | 19:50 |
| retr0h | ayoung: right, I am not using SQL so I can't tell you if it acts the same | 19:50 |
| ayoung | retr0h, you should be getting a message that says "token table is full" | 19:50 |
| retr0h | ayoung: ok.. i'll dig in | 19:51 |
| ayoung | retr0h, so you won't see what morganfainberg is talking about until /unless you go to sql | 19:51 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, well the CAS mechanism with memcache there is extra overhead in flushing the user-token-list key on each new token issuance | 19:52 |
| ayoung | retr0h, when keystone goes 100% CPU, is it completely unresponsive? I assume you see top output or something. | 19:52 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, you think the problem is iterating through the token list? | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it might be. there is a new bug commented on this morning related to this. the reporter thinks CAS is the culprit | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | well and iterating that list | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1251123 | 19:53 |
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| retr0h | ayoung: I'll let you know as I figure out more... again, I was in HK when this all happened | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | but they are spinning up 1 vm per second, and i assume new token each time (so 1000s of active tokens per user) | 19:54 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, putting revocations into a separate list would solve that as well | 19:54 |
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| ayoung | starting to think that is #1 priority | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, would it? the CAS mechanism comes from having to support the revocations on things like "change password" | 19:54 |
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| morganfainberg | the revocation list doesn't have any cas mechanisms around it iirc | 19:55 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yep...we'd skip cas | 19:55 |
| morganfainberg | cas = compare and set | 19:55 |
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| ayoung | we'd always check a token against the revocation list, even inside Keystone | 19:55 |
| ayoung | drop the user list of tokens out of memcached altogether | 19:55 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so how do you resolve user -> all tokens for user? | 19:55 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, you only need that for checking token validity | 19:56 |
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| retr0h | ayoung: I enabled memcache token backend... hopefully will have something to report hopefully ~sooner than later | 19:56 |
| ayoung | no need to list all tokens for a user, just to make sure all tokens for a user are invalid | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so we're back to either revocation events or clock mechanism | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | ? | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | if a password is changed, or user disabled / deleted (or project) we still need to be able to revoke all the tokens. | 19:57 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the only reason to list all tokens for a user is because of the granlularity of listing the individual token ids. If we do userid->issued_before we are done | 19:57 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, right. that sounds like the clock mechanism or a limited subset of the revocation event list | 19:58 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, yes that would solve the issue for sure | 19:58 |
| morganfainberg | and we could 100% skip that cas mechanism. | 19:59 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'm totally good with that. | 20:00 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but since the revocation list is part of the REST api, don't we need to maintain it for.... 2 releases? | 20:01 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, yep...although it is undocumented, so I think we might fall into a loophole there. Ask dolphm about that | 20:06 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah. will do when i see him next here (unless you catch him first). | 20:07 |
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| morganfainberg | going to grab lunch bbib | 20:07 |
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| stevemar | ayoung ping | 20:08 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, pinging is what I did as a Plebe: moving out at 120 stpes per minute. I don't ping any more. I stroll. | 20:10 |
| stevemar | ayoung: then stroll we will | 20:10 |
| ayoung | some would say I Bebop. I'm ok with that, too | 20:10 |
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| stevemar | silly q, where can i find the keystoneclient rpms for redhat? | 20:11 |
| ayoung | stevemar, http://golfromeoalphayankee.blogspot.com/2006/07/move-out-move-out-move-out.html way too much information about it if you ever care to look. | 20:11 |
| ayoung | stevemar, not a still q at all | 20:11 |
| ayoung | it depends on which version you want. | 20:11 |
| stevemar | latest and greatest | 20:11 |
| ayoung | stevemar, let me ask a packager | 20:11 |
| ayoung | pixelb, ^^ can you answer stevemar 's question? | 20:11 |
| ayoung | lon, ^^ same Q | 20:12 |
| lon | in the openstack channel? | 20:12 |
| ayoung | stevemar, the distro you are looking for is called RDO | 20:12 |
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| lon | for RDO, they are here : http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-havana/ | 20:13 |
| lon | for RHOS, they're on RHN in the OpenStack channels | 20:13 |
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| ayoung | lon, what about tip-of-tree builds? | 20:13 |
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| lon | we don't do tip of tree for RDO or RHOS; they're only released / stable branches | 20:13 |
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| lon | typically | 20:14 |
| lon | well | 20:14 |
| lon | we might have master - let me look (for RDO) | 20:14 |
| lon | http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-trunk/ | 20:14 |
| lon | ^ | 20:14 |
| lon | those? | 20:14 |
| lon | sorry, I forgot about openstack-trunk repos :) | 20:14 |
| ayoung | stevemar, there you go...and now you know whom to ask | 20:15 |
| stevemar | ayoung, lon, thank you both :) | 20:15 |
| stevemar | bookmarking that! | 20:15 |
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| ayoung | and now we've spiked a discussion about "who versus whom" | 20:16 |
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| retr0h | morganfainberg If i am hitting an issue with lots of tokens issued for the same user.. is there anything I can do to help things out... via expiration or possibly revocation_cache_time/cache_time ? | 20:23 |
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| retr0h | morganfainberg: with memcached backend... | 20:23 |
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| ayoung | retr0h, cache the tokens on the user side | 20:23 |
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| retr0h | ayoung: in what way? I'm just using python nova client mostly | 20:25 |
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| ayoung | retr0h, note sure if nova support python-keyring, but the keystone client does. We're working on unifying that, but...if you are doing this from python code, you can pass in the token to be used to nova functions (I believe) so you can use keystone to create the token and enable keyring support | 20:27 |
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| retr0h | ayoung: thanks! | 20:31 |
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| cfriesen_ | sorry if this is a dumb question, but does the system periodically clean up the database or does it just grow indefinitely? on a large cluster it seems like the database could grow fairly quickly | 20:40 |
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| mriedem | dripton: ping | 20:56 |
| dripton | mriedem: pong | 20:56 |
| mriedem | dripton: hey, i responded to the ML too on sqlalchemy-migrate release, but was just wondering why the 0.8 vs 0.7.3 | 20:57 |
| dripton | just a sec | 20:57 |
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| mriedem | maybe for the sqlalchemy 0.8 compat, i'd buy that | 20:57 |
| dripton | mriedem: I thought the change of project ownership and 2 years since a release justified bumping the minor number. That and sqla 0.8 | 20:58 |
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| dripton | mriedem: until you reach 1.0 I don't think it matters much; semantic versioning doesn't usually guarantee anything until 1.0 | 20:58 |
| mriedem | dripton: gotcha, makes sense | 20:58 |
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| mriedem | lawyers seem to care about digits... | 20:59 |
| mriedem | in versions | 20:59 |
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| dripton | mriedem: in software versions or in law versions? | 20:59 |
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| mriedem | sw versions | 20:59 |
| mriedem | shipping packages, etc | 20:59 |
| mriedem | in products i mean | 20:59 |
| mriedem | just thinking out loud, ignore | 20:59 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, do you ever play with glance? If I have afile in qcow2.gz foramt, do I need to gunzip it before doing a glance image-create with it? | 21:29 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: ping | 21:39 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i have to lookup how to do things with glance everytime i work with it | 21:39 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i _think_ you do need to unzip it. | 21:39 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah. Juast tried it without unzipping and got "no bootable disk" | 21:40 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sounds about right. | 21:40 |
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| ayoung | thing is flippiong huge. primemin1sterp pointed me at the work his team was doing with an AD server...4 GB compressed | 21:40 |
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| ayoung | gunzip is just hanging | 21:41 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: yo | 21:44 |
| ayoung | OK...gunzip was just taking its sweet time...once the glance command returns we'll see how this works | 21:44 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: curious, did you end up trying v3 keystone commands with OSC? (just got back home today) | 21:44 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: was going to try them myself today, but figured i'd ask you | 21:45 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I have not yet. I am just getting to OSC stuff this afternoon... | 21:47 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, welcome back! | 22:00 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg howdy dude | 22:00 |
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| cfriesen_ | is this a known issue in havana? I tried creating 3 instances but ran out of RAM. Now when I run "nova list", I get "ERROR: The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation. (HTTP 500) (Request-ID: req-aaecebbc-6074-495d-8b21-5822c5a4b5db)". The problem seems to be an 'instance_type_memory_mb' error in extract_flavor() in nova/compute/flavors.py | 22:01 |
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| gyee | ayoung, have time to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56333/? | 22:05 |
| ayoung | gyee, sure | 22:06 |
| ayoung | I like what you are doing... | 22:06 |
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| gyee | the reason I kept it in common/controllers is for backward compatibility | 22:06 |
| ayoung | suspect taht the changes I am suggesting are going to start having impact on the existing tests | 22:06 |
| gyee | we still have a number of tests using the controllers directly | 22:06 |
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| gyee | passing the token into the protected decorator | 22:06 |
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| ayoung | gyee, not breaking tests is not a good reason to keep it there, though. | 22:06 |
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| gyee | ayoung, what about backward compatibility? | 22:07 |
| ayoung | I suspect a helper function for the tests is most appropriate | 22:07 |
| ayoung | gyee, here is where I want to go: | 22:07 |
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| ayoung | policy is currently implemented all over the place different in each project | 22:07 |
| gyee | I could do that, but I want to give deployer a choice too | 22:07 |
| ayoung | I want to make it part of the standard keystone client code | 22:07 |
| ayoung | we can't force it on people, but eventually it needs to go into the client | 22:07 |
| ayoung | If it starts off in keystone/middleware, that transition should be easier | 22:08 |
| ayoung | gyee, if you want to put it in a helper finle and then include it in both middleware and controller...or direct in the tests, that would work, too | 22:08 |
| gyee | ayoung, yeah I agree, policy enforcement should be in one place | 22:08 |
| ayoung | helper file | 22:08 |
| ayoung | gyee, how about just putting it into its own file in keystone/common for now; say enforce.py? | 22:09 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ i like that. | 22:09 |
| gyee | k | 22:09 |
| morganfainberg | centralize it into a clear location | 22:09 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, I agre | 22:09 |
| gyee | agree | 22:09 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, cut the dependncies, I want to get to the point where the other projects can use the flatten function | 22:10 |
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| ayoung | If we have policy enforcement in a clear place, then we leave policy.py as just the rules engine. Clear delineation of responsibility | 22:10 |
| gyee | more changes than I like, but sure I'll take one for the team! :) | 22:10 |
| ayoung | gyee, this is important | 22:10 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, that makes perfect sense. I know we discussed this at the summit and i think the conclusion was "yes flatten should be usable elsewhere" | 22:11 |
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| ayoung | I don't think your X509 changes are going to be the end of the refactoring here, but it sure is the start | 22:11 |
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| gyee | k, I'll move the stuff from common/controller into common/policy | 22:11 |
| gyee | common/enforce I mean | 22:12 |
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| ayoung | gyee, thanks. We can unentangle the unit tests when the time comes to cut the ties. | 22:12 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, ayoung, btw, can you guys help me out with my other reviews, I hate having to keep rebasing :) | 22:12 |
| ayoung | gyee, I was looking at breaking up the token Provider into a pipelie | 22:13 |
| gyee | ayoung, make sense | 22:13 |
| gyee | especially with the mapping stuff | 22:13 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, i'm actually doing reviews now. and i tend to take on the trvial rebases if needed in the process. | 22:13 |
| ayoung | gyee, sure...going to head home soon, and will try to crank through a bunch later tonight/tomorrow | 22:13 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, ayoung, thanks, I am GTFBT coding now | 22:14 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, hehe. i'll be doing that in the very near future. i want to get the KVS stuff 100% refactored ASAP so i can work on the other things that come after it :) | 22:15 |
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| ekarlso | KVS? | 22:18 |
| morganfainberg | ekarlso, the in-memory key-value-store | 22:18 |
| morganfainberg | ekarlso, refactoring to use dogpile.cache so redis, memcache, etc can be used | 22:19 |
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| ekarlso | ah, keystone ? | 22:21 |
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| ayoung | ekarlso, hopefully it will be usable acrtoss the board, but foremost is keystone | 22:23 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ekarlso, once i get it working within keystone i'm going to try and get it into oslo so we can use it outside of keystone in other projects. I know there has been at least one request (iirc horizon) for that | 22:28 |
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