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sshturmGuys, could you help me. Gate tests in my patch have been failed. Is there any bug for this fail? Or i should do recheck? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52330/08:22
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jpichsshturm: In my experience when it's the python26 / python27 jobs that fail, it's usually the patch's fault08:56
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skraynevHello all.09:00
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skraynevneed help with review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52070/09:00
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sshturmjpich: I added a new patch with extra blank line and it'v been failed with the same exception. My patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52330/ and patch with blank line https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52594/  But in local mode there is no exceptions.09:53
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jpichsshturm: Oh. Maybe the folks in #openstack-metering would have a better idea of what's going on?09:54
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stan_bgHello, how can I get all available extensions from the python api ?11:36
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annegentlewith other projects, do you have a small set of people who are dedicated to backporting? Or can anyone backport and core approves it? Do you have any smaller approval group on stable/relname branches?13:22
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mriedemannegentle: in nova i think anyone can propose a backport13:24
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mriedemi've never seen anyone slapped for being outside a cool kidz backport group13:24
mriedemannegentle: there is a core group of stable maintainers across all projects and they are the ones that approve ultimately i think13:25
annegentlemriedem: heh yeah ok. Does the original person of the thing being backported usually also propose the backport patch? Or are there people with special "eyes" for that?13:25
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mriedemannegentle: not always13:25
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annegentlemriedem: oh yeah that's right, I forgot about stable maintainers. Not quite the same for docs, trying to find best practices for us13:25
mriedemannegentle: i've backported stuff that we need but was fixed in a newer branch, e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48300/13:26
mriedemannegentle: the original author is automatically added to the backport patch for reveiew13:26
mriedem*review13:26
mriedemif they weren't the ones to propose it13:26
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mriedemannegentle: so in the example above, cyeoh was added to the backport automatically13:26
annegentlemriedem: ok yeah very bug centric, so you'd be notified if you're interested in that particular bug, but also reviewers are auto-added too so that's good13:27
mriedemi suspect docs is kind of a different animal13:27
mriedemyup13:27
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annegentlemriedem: we will need to backport a lot in docs for a while while we find bugs in the docs, it's like the doc bug finding is offset a little bit since the "testing" of docs happens later13:27
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annegentlemriedem: thanks for talking through it!13:28
mriedemannegentle: no problem, seems everyone is still sleeping off their havana release hangover13:29
mriedem:)13:29
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dstanekdolphm: i'm going to start looking at keystone-request-tracking while i wait for comments on the other bp14:00
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dhellmannttx: have a sec for a newbie summit session review question?14:48
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ttxdhellmann: very quick yes15:52
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shardydkranz: Hi - fyi I just started a ML thread related to the client_lib tests we discussed16:00
dkranzshardy: Thanks, just saw it.16:00
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shardydkranz: cool, any input appreciated :)16:01
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dkranzshardy: I didn't get the real extent of these tests until now. I will reply to the thread.16:01
shardydkranz: Ok, thanks!16:02
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dkranzshardy: Done.16:10
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mroddendhellmann: did you seen john dennis' post on the i18n ML thread?16:10
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ekarlsojamielennox|away: here mr ?16:26
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dhellmannmrodden: not yet, looking16:43
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dhellmannmrodden: hmm16:48
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suplamercan anyone describe the database flow in nova?16:54
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gyeedolphm?17:06
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dolphmgyee: o/17:14
gyeedolphm, I am trying to understand current state of pagination17:15
gyeein the spec we have 'previous' and 'next' in the links17:15
gyeebut we dropped page and per_page from query params17:15
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gyeeand in the summit we have a session of dropping pagination altogether: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/617:16
gyeedoes that mean 'previous' and 'next' no longer make sense?17:16
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dolphmgyee: depends on the outcome of that session17:21
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dstanekis there any rationale behing not importing _ when it's used and instead adding it the builtins?17:25
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gyeedolphm, I mean we've already dropped 'page' and 'per_page' from the spec so what's in the 'previous' and 'next' links will be something that is at the discretion of the drivers right?17:26
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dolphmdstanek: if there's an answer to that, i'd love to know17:27
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dolphmgyee: correct, if we decide to populate them17:27
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dstanekdolphm: sphinx doesn't want to make API docs on many of the Keystone modules17:28
dstaneki'm assuming it doesn't import them, doing static analysis instead17:28
dolphmdstanek: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/py-modindex.html ?17:28
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dolphmactually that looks out of date..17:29
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dstanekdolphm: yes, i think so17:29
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dstanekdolphm: make html fails on a bunch of modules17:29
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dolphmyeah, this is *really* out of date17:30
dolphm6 months ish?17:30
dolphmdstanek: i'd love to gate on doc building :(17:31
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bknudsonseems like the docstrings are so lacking there's no real point to the generated docs17:33
mroddendhellmann: i think luis and john warren want to try to fix up the current implementation and give that a shot (extending unicode it sounds like); i'm Ok with any approach, i'd just like to reach a consensus so we can get to implementing it17:34
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mroddenas john dennis points out, there are other ways of dealing with the issue we ran into, (sounds like its kind of a common issue with i18n in python?)17:35
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dstanekdolphm, bknudson: if i proposed a patch to explicitly import _ would it have a chance of getting?  or do too many people like the magic?17:35
bknudsondstanek: the magic happens anyways17:35
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bknudsonseems odd to change the code just to make doc building work...17:36
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bknudson(of docs that are pretty much useless anyways)17:36
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dolphmdstanek: i'd personally be in favor, but i'd want to see some community consensus before merging17:37
dstanekbknudson: i can only assume that other static analysis tools would also fail17:37
bknudsonpep8 does static analysis and it doesn't fail17:37
dstanekbknudson: i just think having that kind of magic is not awesome17:37
dolphmbknudson: we're ignoring _ using flake817:38
dolphmbknudson: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/tox.ini#L3717:38
bknudsonImporting _ is just as magic isn't it?17:38
dolphmpep8 alone will fail17:38
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bknudsondoes doc build have a similar option like builtins?17:39
dolphmbknudson: if it was imported locally per module, then it'd be much less surprising17:39
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bknudsonwhich modules, every one that uses _? isn't that pretty much every one?17:39
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bknudsonis it going to be done like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52442/1/keystone/exception.py ? that's pretty ugly17:40
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mrodden_ could be set globally by something other than keystone17:41
mroddensince its in the __builtin__ namespace17:41
mroddenin fact that was a problem in nova for awhile17:42
bknudsonwhat's the diff between https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52442/1/keystone/exception.py and just "from keystone.openstack.common.gettextutils import _" ?17:42
bknudsonwould the import fail?17:42
bknudsonor would you get the wrong _ ?17:42
dstanekbknudson: no try-except; just the import17:43
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bknudsondstanek: why does https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52442/1/keystone/exception.py need the try/except?17:43
dstanekbknudson: i don't think it does17:43
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bknudsonI'm going to try it17:44
dstanekbknudson: i think the author didn't want to overwrite a builtin if is existed, but in reality it doesn't matter17:44
dolphmi don't think it does either-- my if-statement is sort of useless (it's always true)17:44
bknudsondolphm: it might not be true if you're importing exceptions and didn't gettextutils.install()17:45
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dolphmbknudson: i don't think _ is ever in globals()17:45
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dstanekdolphm: i believe you are corrent; from what i've seen it's only added to builtins17:46
dolphmdstanek: if it's going to be an explicit import, i'd rather give it a proper name too17:46
dstanekdolphm: you mean not _?17:47
dolphmdstanek: yeah17:47
bknudsonI think the tool to scrape code for strings to translate requires _() ?17:47
dstanekdolphm: the _ is just the Python convention for that17:47
dolphmbknudson: ah crap, you might be right17:48
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dolphmdstanek: i'm just not a fan :P17:48
bknudsonEvery time I devstack, my version of six gets backleveled...17:49
bknudsonso keystone fails to start17:49
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dstanekdolphm: did you see my question in #1215627?17:53
dolphmdstanek: yes- have you seen the middleware architecture doc?17:53
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dolphmdstanek: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/middlewarearchitecture.html#specification-overview17:55
dolphmdstanek: probably the closest thing in git to what you're looking for17:55
dstanekdolphm: yeah, i've seen that, but i was hoping to find more detail about revoking tokens17:57
koolhead17SpamapS: salute ^^17:57
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SpamapSkoolhead17: eh?18:00
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koolhead17SpamapS: havana style :D18:01
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SpamapSkoolhead17: o_O18:03
dolphmdstanek: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/518:03
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bknudsondstanek: dolphm: tried running keystone without try/except and it works (from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52442/)18:05
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bknudsonbefore the import _ , _ is <bound method NullTranslations.ugettext of <gettext.NullTranslations instance at 0x1dd7f80>>18:07
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bknudsonafterwards, it's <function _ at 0x1e69b90>18:07
bknudsonso the import overrides18:07
dolphmbknudson: are the id()'s of those objects different?18:08
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bknudsondolphm: yes, it changes... id(_) was 42185264 before import and then changes to 4324033618:10
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bknudsonalthough I can't see any difference in the result...18:11
bknudsonthey both return a unicode18:12
dstanekdolphm: bknudson: i haven't looked into this too deeply, but i assume that we would actually make a new module keystone.comment.gettext (or whatever) that manages calling install for the first import18:12
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dolphmdstanek: ++18:25
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bknudsondolphm: without the try/raise, the keystone.tests.test_wsgi.LocalizedResponseTest.test_static_translated_string_is_Message test fails because _ in exception is now the normal _ and not the lazy _18:26
bknudsonwe don't even support lazy translation anymore, so not sure that this test is relevant.18:27
dolphmbknudson: i was thinking the same thing about the tests, but then why is it passing in master for everyone else?18:28
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bknudsondolphm: the tests still set up with lazy translation.18:29
dolphmbknudson: why/how?18:29
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bknudsondolphm: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/tests/core.py#L4218:30
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bknudsondolphm: I'm pretty sure I asked about the tests and was told that they wanted to keep it using lazy translation.18:32
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bknudsonbut I can't find that comment in the review18:32
bknudsonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/49285/18:32
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dolphmah, hrm18:32
bknudsondolphm: if you look at Mark McLoughlin's comment on 10-02, "We're still enabling lazy translation in keystone.tests.core ..."18:33
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bknudsondstanek dolphm: I think if we were going to do keystone.comment.gettext install at first import, then would rather did it in keystone.__init__18:38
bknudsonbut then keystone.tests couldn't do its own thing.18:38
dolphmright18:39
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bknudsondolphm: does it make sense to require the user of keystone.exceptions to have done a gettext.install() ? or is that asking/expecting too much?18:41
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bknudsonessentially they'd have to do what keystone-all/httpd/tests.core do.18:41
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dolphm_bknudson: gettextutils.install('keystone') ?18:42
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bknudsondolphm_: great question.18:42
bknudsonAny gettextutils.install that they do will add _18:42
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bknudsonso would they be missing translations if they didn't do install('keystone')? I'm not an expert at this.18:42
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dolphm_bknudson: what does the 'keystone' argument do, then?18:44
bknudsondolphm_: http://docs.python.org/2/library/gettext.html#gettext.install18:45
bknudsonkeystone is the domain...18:45
dolphm_ah18:45
adalbasdoes anyone know if erlang release 16 is working fine with openstack?18:45
dolphm_so... would 'swift' have to provide it's own translations for auth_token then?18:46
dolphm_that can't be right18:46
bknudsondolphm_: I haven't figured out why they're importing keystone.exceptions ... is it auth_token or swift3 ?18:47
dolphm_bknudson: neither, actually...18:48
dolphm_bknudson: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/middleware/s3_token.py18:48
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bknudsonhow is that importing exceptions?18:49
bknudson"renaming keystonelight to keystone"18:50
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dolphm_bknudson: if you try to import keystone.middleware.s3_token, then you execute keystone.middleware.__init__ first, which executes keystone.middleware.core, which imports keystone.exceptions18:51
bknudsonthat makes sense.18:51
bknudsonseems like s3_token is in the wrong place.18:52
bknudsonsince it doesn't care about keystone's core middleware18:52
bknudsonJsonBody and XmlBody18:52
bknudsonor maybe keystone's core middleware is in the wrong place.18:52
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dstanekdolphm_: bknudson: you guys get the tests thing figured out?18:54
dolphm_bknudson: s3_token belongs in swift, i think there's an open bug to make that happen18:54
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bknudsondolphm_: moving s3_token to swift would fix the new bug, too.18:55
dolphm_bknudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1178741 https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/119468818:55
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1178741 in keystone "move remaining middleware to keystone client" [Wishlist,Confirmed]18:55
dolphm_i was close18:56
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bknudsondolphm_: s3_token should be in keystoneclient?18:56
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bknudsonor "This should be moved to swift3 repo on github"18:57
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bknudsondolphm_: so we could take the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52442/ change, since I think it "works" for what they want to do, and doesn't break us at all.18:59
bknudsonand leave it to the other "move s3_token" bugs to make the real fix.18:59
bknudsonwhich is to decouple importing keystone.exceptions, etc, from s3_token19:00
dolphm_bknudson: https://launchpad.net/swift319:00
dolphm_https://github.com/fujita/swift319:00
dolphm_not that s3_token is actively maintained, but that repo also looks a bit stale19:01
dolphm_it's also not /openstack/19:01
bknudsonit would be easy for us to move s3_token into another location in keystone.19:03
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dolphm_bknudson: that would only fix this problem if we didn't maintain backwards compatibility though19:04
bknudsondolphm_: we'd put in an import keystone.middleware_ext.* in the old location , then for them to fix this problem they'd have to use keystone.middleware_ext.s3_token rather than keystone.middleware.s3_token19:05
bknudsonthey'd still have to make a change19:05
bknudsonwhich, they probably shouldn't have to do if we somehow broke the contract.19:06
bknudsonthe unwritten and untested contract19:06
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bknudsonshouldn't I get the error if I do a python -c "import keystone.exception" ?19:07
dolphm_bknudson: it's the same amount of effort on their part then if we just moved it to keystoneclient and totally removed keystone.middleware.s3_token19:08
dolphm_bknudson: i believe that should fail19:09
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dolphm_http://pasteraw.com/d9e02p2ha890wkn1rq526t1ybdy918719:09
bknudsondolphm_: I must have had a change in my sandbox19:11
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bknudsondolphm_: I believe if we move s3_token to python-keystoneclient and then they change to use that it'll fix the import problem... it'll require requiring a new version of python-keystoneclient and changing to use it.19:13
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bknudsondolphm_: we also have ec2_token middleware ... goes to keystoneclient?19:15
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bknudsonec2_token looks more like a keystone extension.19:16
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dolphm_bknudson: that is a keystone extension19:17
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dolphm_bknudson: reduced the scope of that bug19:18
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stevemardolphm_, ping19:23
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dolphm_stevemar: pong19:23
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stevemardolphm_, i'm trying to organize the federated identity stuff (in identity-api) - but it seems i keep creating more markdown files19:24
stevemardolphm_, should i toss it all into a new sub folder?19:25
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stevemarthey are all related to federated19:25
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stevemarone for idps, another for saml, and another for mapping...19:25
joesavaklol. We should federate the makrdown stuff19:25
stevemarhehe19:25
joesavaki think mapping can be part of OS-IDP19:26
stevemarsavak, you are free of meetings again!19:26
joesavaki'm in a meeting but ignoring people. Don't tell anyone19:26
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dolphm_stevemar: how many new files are you looking at?19:26
stevemari won't, but you did just announce it to the channel19:26
stevemardolphm_, at least 3 so far, maybe 2 if you combine mapping and idp19:27
joesavak;) hi channel19:27
dolphm_stevemar: that's not a big deal lol19:27
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stevemardolphm_, yeah, but they are all related19:27
stevemarthey're not really separate extension19:28
joesavakOS-FEDIDP; OS-FEDSAML ?19:28
stevemarOS-FED-IDP; OS-FED-SAML19:28
stevemaris necessary.. OS-FED-MAPPING? ... (sorry joe)19:29
stevemarif*19:29
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joesavakI hope they come up with an "UP" protocol19:29
joesavakOS-FED-UP19:30
stevemar:)19:30
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ayoungdolphm, stevemar, https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/wsgi.py#L218  we copy REMOTE_USER into the env var.  For Other Auth forms, it is going to be different variables.  What do you think of thie idea of conetxt['environment'] = req.environ19:43
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ayoungfor example, in X509, I think it is something like Service principal19:43
ayoungis there any reason to throw away the environment except for explicitly added values?19:44
stevemarayoung: i swear i had this earlier on in some oauth work :)19:44
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bknudsonayoung: security?19:45
stevemarayoung: i believe is was just to keep things trim19:45
ayoungjoesavak, why does FED need to be in the name.  OS-SAML for saml work, OS-ATTRIBUTES  for the mapping work, etc19:45
ayoungbknudson, that was my feeling, but I can't see how19:45
ayoungbknudson, how does it violate security to make variables available?  I mean, REMOTE_USER, if it go set via a request param, I'll grant you that would be bad.  But it can't be done.19:46
bknudsonayoung: I can't think of any problem either. I think it makes sense with auth_token middleware.19:46
stevemarayoung: iirc, it was the attitude of 'if we're not using it, don't save it'19:46
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ayoungbknudson, this would be for Keystone proper.  But the rules should be the same everythwere19:47
stevemarayoung: we needed one, then another... may as well just grab the whole of env.19:47
ayoungstevemar, anything not required is forbidden?19:47
joesavakayoung - OS-SAML and OS-ATTRIBUTES depends on OS-IDP. Not clear from extension naming alone19:47
stevemarayoung: for the record, i wanted it all in there :)19:47
stevemarayoung: dolphms iron fist slammed me down19:47
ayoungjoesavak, yeah, but we can document in the API Markdown "depends on OS-*"19:48
ayoungI think that is sufficient19:48
joesavakayoung okie19:48
stevemarayoung: we can settle the naming conventions later :P19:48
morganfainbergayoung, bknudson, it seems sane to scoop in the env.  or at least have a clean way of saying "grab these vars"19:49
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stevemari like OS-FED-*, it gives the notion that the two (or more) markdowns are related19:49
morganfainbergayoung, bknudson, the only concern i could see is if someone had totally silly massive ENVs that caused bloat of memory...19:49
ayoungjoearnold, stevemar I have the feeling that the COncepts we are calling Federation are bascially going to be the core of Keystone moving forward.  Keystone managing a user list is going to be the Anomoly.  In most cases, Keystone will be nothing more than a standardization service, converting from random IdPs view of the world to the Openstack one19:49
ayoungmorganfainberg, but it is already in memory at that point19:50
morganfainbergayoung, but are we going to hold on to that ref longer than GC would otherwise clean it up?19:50
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ayoungand the way the call stack works, it still is in memory and not collectable19:50
ayoungmorganfainberg, its a call stack19:50
morganfainbergayoung, oh oh, os.env bah… *lerns to read*19:50
ayoungthe frame is still on the stack, can't be GCed19:50
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ayoungmorganfainberg, not quite.  look here https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/wsgi.py#L21819:51
ayoungit is in the req object which is passed to __call__19:51
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morganfainbergayoung, oooh.19:51
morganfainbergayoung, eh, we should just scoop the refs all in and make it available19:51
ayoungthe req object stays around until the response happens19:51
ayoungmorganfainberg, I think so.  At least, GC is not sufficient justification for hiding access19:52
morganfainbergayoung, i don't see any real way that is going to be a security flaw since you can't set those values directly (external) and that would be the _only_ reason i could see not doing it.19:52
ayoungmorganfainberg, agreed19:52
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morganfainbergjoearnold, ayoung, Regarding Federation, i want to see the keystone ID service (SQL user/group managment) split out and talk a standardized protocol to the rest of keystone.  so, you could in theory run keystone-id (rough example… and may be the wrong approach) only if needed…and consistent user/group sourcing19:54
morganfainbergeven ldap ones being split if needed.19:54
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ayoungmorganfainberg, maybe.  I go back and forth on that one19:54
morganfainbergi think ther eis more conversation to be had on specific implementation, but if everything is federated, it would keep things consistent19:54
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morganfainbergayoung, actually i have a thought on that… make it a bit more modular, so it could be spun up externally and talk external for ID or stay local (as a transitional setup), basically make a manager (any manager) able to be split out.  but i am waffleing on how much i like that…and if it provides a huge benefit19:56
morganfainbergor if it just would be needless overhead19:56
ayoungmorganfainberg, the thing is, Keystone PKI tokens are really an analogue to SAML.  So really, we onlyconvert the ones that need to be converted.  Converting Keystones output to SAML just to convert it to a token sems costly with no benefit19:56
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ayoungmorganfainberg, If we were not caching the Identity objects, I might be more likely to go that way.19:57
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morganfainbergayoung, we are not caching any identity objects at the moment.19:57
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ayoungmorganfainberg, in Federation, we are.  We are going to stick them in an ephemeral Id backend19:58
morganfainbergayoung, ahhhh i see yes19:58
ayoungprobably dogpile based KvS19:58
ayoungyeah, so the call from Identity to TOken is a local call always19:58
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morganfainbergayoung, hmm. it might still make sense to make managers capable to split out like that….19:59
ayoungmorganfainberg, now, one possibility next release is to hand in a keystone token from one provider and get one that applies to another deployment.  THat was my original vision19:59
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morganfainbergayoung, like i said, this thoought hasn't fully baked.19:59
morganfainbergayoung, that could be interesting20:00
morganfainbergayoung, somehow i think we have a lot to talk about at the summit ;)20:00
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ayoungmorganfainberg, he, and at the summit we'll say "we don't have enough time.  Lets talk about this afdter the summit online."20:01
morganfainbergayoung, probably20:01
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dhellmannmrodden: sorry for the delay, meetings20:02
dhellmannmrodden: I think it is a serious mistake to treat Message as a subclass of unicode. It is an object that has a unicode representation, but it is not a unicode object.20:03
mroddendhellmann: ok. so then we need to return Message objects from _() and handle them in the projects appropriately20:04
dhellmannmrodden: yes20:04
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mroddeni will discus it more with john and luis, they will probably want to talk about it more on monday i'm sure20:06
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mroddeni think that handling it properly in the projects is probably the best approach in the long term anyways20:07
ayoungmorganfainberg, stevemar https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/124181220:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1241812 in keystone "Keystone WSGI hides environement vars" [Wishlist,Confirmed]20:07
ayoungfeel free to chime in.  I'm going to submit a patch against that20:07
morganfainbergayoung, sounds good.  i think you've covered most everything there.20:08
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stevemarayoung: thanks for the heads up, and agreeing with fainberg, i don't think you'll get much push back20:09
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ayoungnasty hobbitses deprecating my precious run_tests.sh20:14
bknudsonand where'd the output go? I can't watch tests passing anymore.20:14
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ayoungbknudson, haven't gotten there yet, the -u option is still updating my venv.  And I am pretty sure tox doesn't support my -8 flag for pep  check without all the verbage20:19
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bknudsonayoung: I finally gave up and switched to tox20:19
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bknudsonI think python-keystoneclient gate is broken.21:28
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bknudson       iso8601-0.1.6.tar.gz       (md5)                           Source                 2013-10-18   7KB21:42
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clarkbbknudson: bnemec and dims decided that iso8601 versions 0.1.5 and 0.1.6 are broken. There is a change to openstack/requirements to not allow them21:45
clarkbbeekneemech: ^21:45
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bknudsonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/52671/21:49
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kuioslo-incubator jenkins gating has been failed for one day.21:51
kuihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/124153421:51
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1241534 in oslo "oslo jenkins gating error (dup-of: 1241460)" [Undecided,New]21:51
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1241460 in oslo "Upgrade to iso8601 0.1.5 version breaks time_utils tests" [Critical,In progress]21:51
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