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| ayoung | morganfainberg, welcome to the end of the release cycle. Now you know why we did Keystone Feature freeze back in H2 | 00:26 |
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| bknudson | we should have had a bug freeze. No new bugs. | 00:32 |
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| bknudson | 48553 started gate at 12:55, and just got restarted as I was watching it. | 00:37 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, hehe | 00:38 |
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| bknudson | if it helps anything, I assume we can backport a fix like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48553/ . | 00:40 |
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| bknudson | looks like the front of the gate is going to fail, so it's going to get reset | 00:46 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yep | 00:47 |
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| bknudson | seems like it'd be easier to kill gating until the fix is ready to be put at the front. | 00:50 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, it might be. | 00:52 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, wanna see something cool | 00:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, always | 00:52 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/admiyo/keystone/tree/cookies-basic-auth | 00:52 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that is pretty cool | 00:53 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yep. I have it hard coded to the admin project right now because v3 doesn't pull in the default-project-id, and I wanted to the token to be able to read the users list. It was based on a devtack setup. | 00:55 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, would be even more awesome if basic auth supported extra fields. | 00:55 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, well, we can always go from an unscoped token to a scoped one | 00:56 |
| ayoung | that can be done with forms | 00:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, aye | 00:56 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's kind of interesting watching the recheckwatchbot in #openstack-qa report the failures | 00:57 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, the convolutions I had to go through to create a token from the middleware, though, show that the mechanism is way too complicated | 01:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, you mean the issue token mechanism? | 01:14 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/admiyo/keystone/blob/cookies-basic-auth/keystone/contrib/html/middleware.py#L81 which calls the function above it | 01:14 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah...and the fact that the code is basically embedded in the controller that has all of the business logic | 01:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yeah, i can see that the expected data structure is not… exactly friendly | 01:15 |
| ayoung | the deeply nested JSON format is annoying | 01:15 |
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| ayoung | and makes it hard to get right. | 01:16 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i could see it being flattened out or constructing the expected values from something similar to headers (just a flat-Key-value system) | 01:16 |
| morganfainberg | especially if we're doing the html thing you talked about in icehouse. | 01:16 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that, or having a set of DTO classes that we reuse on the client and server side for these things | 01:16 |
| ayoung | instead of json/dicts | 01:16 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, html is in that patch set...two commits up | 01:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, hrm. i think you're going to run into other pitfalls (just a gut feeling) with DTO classes | 01:17 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/admiyo/keystone/commits/cookies-basic-auth | 01:17 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that may well be. | 01:18 |
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| ayoung | but at least it would be self documenting | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, especially if you're developing against keystone APIs without the client (since we don't have java, c#, etc clients) | 01:18 |
| ayoung | I had to figure out this structure from reading the controller code | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i very much agree with you, as I have had to do that a couple times as well. | 01:18 |
| ayoung | DTOs for Those can be autogenerated if we had a decent representation | 01:18 |
| ayoung | which I am going to need for forms as well | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, fair enough. | 01:19 |
| ayoung | I need to figure out how to represent the equivalent of forms in JSON and XML | 01:19 |
| ayoung | We had something in FreeIPA, but it was really clunky and a one-off... | 01:19 |
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| morganfainberg | hmm. | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | past life me never tried to support both. it was either or (application specifc though) | 01:21 |
| ayoung | http://admiyo.fedorapeople.org/ipa/demo/ui/test/data/json_metadata.json | 01:21 |
| ayoung | listed the methods and properties for each object | 01:22 |
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| ayoung | but in IPA we converted JSON to html. I' | 01:22 |
| ayoung | m trying to avoid that here | 01:22 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, that is a lot of data, but… it makes sense though (at first glance) so at least that is something for it. | 01:22 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah. The idea is that there must be some standard for describing the data to create or update an object that can be translated to XML, JSON, and HTML. We know that HTML is represented as Form. | 01:23 |
| ayoung | FOr XML it is probably Schema docs | 01:23 |
| ayoung | and for JSON...JSON schema I think | 01:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, you know, i wonder, would using something akin to protobufs as a DTO for the client work? there is auto-gen + many language support we could offer easily. And, as a bonus we could test against it / ensure data is not growing in silly ways w/o explicit thought | 01:24 |
| ayoung | http://json-schema.org/ well looky here | 01:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, though i don't know how much extra overhead that would be tbh. | 01:24 |
| morganfainberg | oh. hay, look at that. | 01:24 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think I like Python as the canonical format. We go to and from Python classes.... | 01:25 |
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| ayoung | You just have to pick one language and go with it. | 01:26 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, true enough. i would like to see a nice transport that could work to other languages though | 01:26 |
| morganfainberg | it would be a nice feature add for working with keystone (and the other clients even, in the long run) | 01:27 |
| morganfainberg | s/clients/services | 01:27 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/Julian/jsonschema | 01:27 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, json schema , that looks nice | 01:27 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah... | 01:28 |
| morganfainberg | i think that will be useful regardless of the other changes. i'd like to start using that at least in tests for the output (e.g. token format…ugh lets not `acquire` more data in it for no reason than we jsut happened to stick it there) | 01:29 |
| ayoung | I was looking at Django-piston, but it doesn't have an emitter for HTML. | 01:29 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, though in theory XML should be sufficient to craft html from…. | 01:30 |
| ayoung | hah...token should have nothing in it. ... I had to load all of the historic baggage into the PKI tokens in order to make them a drop in replacement due to all of the stuff we expose in the token validation API. | 01:30 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, JSON -> XML to HTML? | 01:30 |
| ayoung | I really can't stand XML | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, doable... | 01:31 |
| ayoung | I don't need it | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i know, lets use XSLT for everything! | 01:31 |
| ayoung | We have Python...we just need to use it properly | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | throw back to previous job there. sorry,. | 01:31 |
| ayoung | the other thing is that all of the HTML tools do templating, which is not right for marshalling objects | 01:31 |
| ayoung | I'm going to look into the JSON schema thing....it might be the missing link | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or at least an idea of what else to look for? | 01:32 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, anyway, if you get the time, pull that branch of mine and try out the code from a browser. | 01:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, totally will (probably this weekend) | 01:34 |
| ayoung | I'm firmly convinced that the more visually aceesable we make Keystone, the better it will be | 01:34 |
| ayoung | I want to follow the idea of progressive enhancement, so from the main tree, we do aboslutely the minimal to make it visible. | 01:34 |
| ayoung | All UX is done by later on Javascript...by someone else, no use | 01:35 |
| ayoung | not us | 01:35 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that is totally reasonable | 01:35 |
| ayoung | We will need to fill in the missing links. | 01:35 |
| ayoung | literally, links from / to /v3 to /vw/users | 01:35 |
| ayoung | /v3/users | 01:35 |
| ayoung | we need a standard for how to find the form for a given enitity. | 01:36 |
| ayoung | I've had two ideas on that: either something like | 01:36 |
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| ayoung | http://hostname:port/v3/users/format or http://hostname:port/v3/users?format=true | 01:37 |
| ayoung | both have drawbacks | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | strictly speaking, the latter seems more my style (personal pref) | 01:37 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, the former is more mine: | 01:39 |
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| ayoung | but it does clash with the identifiers | 01:39 |
| ayoung | basically we are reserving a keyword...something I'd rather not do | 01:40 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, hence my inclination to the latter | 01:40 |
| morganfainberg | but it's not something i'd get on a soapbox about either direction | 01:40 |
| ayoung | and why I came up with it...still, it should be a link from the users list. | 01:40 |
| ayoung | you need to be able to navigate down to it. You could put all of the forms in a different suburl and have them link back to /users | 01:41 |
| ayoung | so /forms/user for a new/update user form | 01:41 |
| ayoung | but | 01:41 |
| ayoung | I prefer | 01:41 |
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| ayoung | to update a user /users/<userid>?form | 01:41 |
| ayoung | gets you the form view | 01:41 |
| ayoung | of course...there is no reason that we couldn't make all of the entities return as forms. In IPA, we did just that. We had attribute level premissions, so if a user couldn't modify a value, it was static text, other wise it was the appropriate HTML input type | 01:43 |
| ayoung | for example http://admiyo.fedorapeople.org/ipa/demo/ui/#identity=user&navigation=identity&user-facet=default&user-pkey=acarlson | 01:44 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that is actually quite straight forward | 01:46 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, Ok, I've primed the pump. | 01:46 |
| ayoung | yeah | 01:46 |
| ayoung | We worked hard to make it so | 01:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, success. | 01:46 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, anyway, I wanted to get people thinking about this, and it seemed a decent effort to take back up while waiting for gate jobs. I think having a useable UI for Keystone will help out in Management, as well as making it east for people to reproduce bugs. OK, gnightbug | 01:53 |
| ayoung | heh | 01:53 |
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| spn | On havana ubuntu repo based openstack if I run " nova --no-cache secgroup-add-rule default icmp -1 -1 0.0.0.0/0 " I hit this error http://paste.openstack.org/show/47664/ | 14:06 |
| spn | can anyone guide me on what could be going wrong | 14:07 |
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| SnowDust | can anyone reply to this heat problem ? http://paste.openstack.org/show/47666/ | 16:35 |
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| framp | I use OpenStack in production and just installed devstack to get more insights. I miss the logs in /var/log/ for further PD because I cannot deploy a cirros in this environment. Is there any developer tips&tricks page which describes how to redirect all the screen outputs into logs for detailed analysis? | 20:49 |
| clarkb | framp: you can set SCREEN_LOGDIR in your localrc which will log screen output to files in that directory | 20:50 |
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| clarkb | or you can set SYSLOG=True if you want to use syslog but that tends to be clunkier with large stacktraces and the like | 20:50 |
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| framp | clarkb: Sounds good. Just added SCREEN_LOGDIR to localrc and started rejoin-stack.sh - but there is no output to the log dir | 21:08 |
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| clarkb | you may need to actually rerun stack.sh I am not sure | 21:11 |
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| framp | Will try. Anyhow I'm looking for some links which help me to get on speed with devstack environment and best practices. I don't want to ask all the questions vereybody new to devstack asks. | 21:13 |
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| framp | clarkb: I now get logs. THx | 21:21 |
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